08:16 <Wizzup> Of course, all that could also overlap with maemo work in general

08:36 <DocScrutinizer05> it does

08:44 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer05: but how would you envision upgrading some more essential parts (like crypto libs), even if everything was open? just keep both old and new installed?

08:44 <Wizzup> A more radical example would be glibc of course

08:45 <Wizzup> (note: if this kind of things are already discussed/documented I'd be happy to read up)

08:47 <Wizzup> I vaguely bringing it up before, but I'm not active enough (lack of time unfortunately - should be better in some months) to have fully kept up

08:51 <DocScrutinizer05> please discuss all this in #maemo-ssu since it seems to be highly on topic there and actually is what those guys are doing

08:52 <DocScrutinizer05> recently there also were a few posts on tmo about ssl iirc

09:04 <Wizzup> ack

09:30 <Openbot> ~ping

09:30 <infobot_> ~pong

09:32 <Openbot> ~systemd

09:32 <infobot_> systemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel, or see https://devuan.org http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

09:32 <Openbot> systemd forks kernel

09:33 <Openbot> awsome

09:34 <Openbot> the avove factoriod is taking shape

09:37 <Openbot> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330

09:38 <Openbot> ~pottering

09:43 <Wizzup> (Hoax)

09:44 <bencoh> (for now)

09:46 <drathir> wth ?

09:47 <drathir> ;/ i guess all time closer to switch at openbsd...

09:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL

09:49 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. "There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions.

09:49 <DocScrutinizer05> Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack." << I don't know if that's a hoax

09:50 <DocScrutinizer05> https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/tree/master/src/linux

09:51 <Wizzup> It's a fake account, it's a hoax

09:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Gotyaovich

09:51 <DocScrutinizer05> well....

09:51 <drathir> linus not allow messing with him to nsa and allow some crazy systemd stuff?

09:52 <drathir> buyed*

09:53 <SylvieLorxu> *bought

09:53 <DocScrutinizer05> good april's fool

09:53 <bencoh> a bit early though

09:53 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah

09:53 <DocScrutinizer05> well

10:00 <drathir> SylvieLorxu: thanks a lot...

10:02 <drathir> systemd its totaly wth nothing is strange in connection with systemd...

10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> https://access.redhat.com/certifications how's that called? shanghaiing? hijacking? "linux" is just another brand of RedHat, eh?

10:28 <DocScrutinizer05> to me it really feels like they think the *own* linux

10:29 <DocScrutinizer05> "is that linux?" -- "Nah, it's *REDHAT*!"

10:31 <bencoh> they explicitely mention "RHE Linux" :)

10:51 <DocScrutinizer05> RedNeck

10:51 <DocScrutinizer05> though that would be a compliment

10:53 <drathir> they should better its not certificed they should better say we dont yet so cool to support that hw and list...

10:54 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, this is a hard one to parse

10:55 <drathir> but better pretend its hw fault and we nort certificate, and not support that hw...

10:56 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway Devuan alpha iso and amprolla repo should go active next week

10:57 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: yea looks interesting...

11:34 <kerio> systemd forked linux huh

11:34 <kerio> fucking rofl

11:35 <Wizzup> no, they didn't, it's a hoax :)

14:20 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: what are they going to use as names?

14:20 <kerio> characters from a different pixar movie?

14:21 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?

14:21 <kerio> debian releases are all Toy Story characters

14:40 <mvaenskae> they will soon be out of chars

14:40 <Wizzup> 'soon'

14:40 <mvaenskae> but with their speed, that is not a problem for a long long time ;)

14:40 <Wizzup> they release every half a century or something

14:41 <mvaenskae> every decade i'd say 2 releases

15:13 <bencoh> hm, 3

22:20 <Oksana> Moin :-) A friend of mine, a few days (or was it a week?) ago said that due to my persistent "loud dislike" of systemd, said friend will try out the systemd - surely, somebody has to protect the poor victim of such attacks? It's not compatible with Unix philosophy - but then, it never pretended to be?

22:22 <Oksana> Punchline: Last night, my friend uninstalled systemd with words that it just does not work. Like, suspend, resume, Apache web-server does not come return. And, uninstalling systemd took down a bunch of other packages, too, but none necessary for functioning.

22:23 <Oksana> Also, my friend took down dbus, too. The only remotely useful thing which was depending on dbus was USB-flash-drive-auto-mount, and since it's possible to manually mount them without dbus, my friend doesn't consider it a critical loss.