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<PeperPots_____>
infrared will still have both send and receive right ?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
sure
<DocScrutinizer05>
RX is a "reduced capabilities" version though, not mant to act like your usual IrDA/CIR receiver. Range is in the 10cm
<DocScrutinizer05>
meant*
<DocScrutinizer05>
on the bright side: it works great for learning IR-remote codes, for IR UART for console, should also work for SIR on short distance, plus you can do true A/D high sampling rate to analyze the raw signal. This probably even should work to give a nice RPM/frequency detector, act for auto-triggering thunder lightning photography, allow weird stuff like laser microphony maybe, etc pp
<DocScrutinizer05>
occurs to me that for auto thunder lightning the camera will do, no added sensors needed :-)
<bencoh>
yup
<kerio>
rofl
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<PeperPots_____>
DocScrutinizer05: with the new hippaa rules why limit what the iR can do ?
<PeperPots_____>
hipaa
<DocScrutinizer05>
?
<PeperPots_____>
Starting january 31st all wireless health document transfer must be done over iR
<DocScrutinizer05>
the limitations are by hw / design
<PeperPots_____>
Wifi transfer of health docs is no longer allowed
<DocScrutinizer05>
proper high sensitivity IrDA needs receiver component that simply doesn't fit into our case
<PeperPots_____>
Right, i'm saying why put in limitated hardware ?
<PeperPots_____>
DocScrutinizer05: are you dual using buttons as LED cover ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
SIR should work via a distance up to maybe 10 to 20cm
<DocScrutinizer05>
no
<PeperPots_____>
why not ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
how would we?
<PeperPots_____>
The M8 saves a lot of space this way
<DocScrutinizer05>
there are no IR-transparent buttons
<PeperPots_____>
There are on the M8
<DocScrutinizer05>
please keep in mind we're designing into an existing case here
<PeperPots_____>
So ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
so?
<PeperPots_____>
Can't the buttons be replaced as well ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
so the buttons are tiny and not transparent
<PeperPots_____>
what about the camera button ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
tiny and not transparent
<DocScrutinizer05>
and in the end it doesn't matter what window we use when we can't fit the receiver component into the case
<DocScrutinizer05>
you probbaly could connect proper IrDA circuitry to the hackerbus and stash into a Mugen cover, easily
<DocScrutinizer05>
NB even standard IrDA is defined for max range of 1m and some
<PeperPots_____>
I think what HTC did was work around the media connectivity and use some tricky CIR hacks. But they made it work
<PeperPots_____>
Not true
<PeperPots_____>
My clie has a 50m range
<PeperPots_____>
Thats with data transfer too. Not just CIR
<DocScrutinizer05>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_Data_Association#IrPHY >>Range: standard: 1 m; low power to low power: 0.2 m; standard to low power: 0.3 m, The 10 GigaIR also define new usage models that supports higher link distances up to several meters.<<
<PeperPots_____>
Dunno maybe sony did something different then. But the ranger is far greater than 1m
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<hey>
hey
<hey>
is someone here
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<DocScrutinizer05>
of course ... not :-)
<sixwheeledbeast>
Guest85949: there are 72 people here
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<DocScrutinizer05>
well, 69 plus me twice plus 2 bots
<DocScrutinizer05>
oops 3 bots
<DocScrutinizer05>
and now one troll less? ;-P
<dal2>
DocScrutinzer05: When I asked the other day about already available phones for encrypting data, you suggested N900 and one other...what was the other? Sorry, didn't take it down
<DocScrutinizer05>
umm, there are a half a dozen phones that encrypt one thing or another
<DocScrutinizer05>
iirc you asked for local storage encryption?
<dal2>
yes, internal SD. I never use an external SD
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry can't recall right now what I suggested
<DocScrutinizer05>
nevertheless I'll think about it
<DocScrutinizer05>
you also have chanlog, maybe you can lookup by yourself
<DocScrutinizer05>
makes sense, they base on Maemo basically
<DocScrutinizer05>
however Jolla is _not_ a secure phone, since the baseband takes precedence/control over the complete unix land
<DocScrutinizer05>
IOW you can encrypt your local storage, but somebody can spy on you when you decrypt and access it
<jonsger1>
DocScrutinizer05: could I preorder a neo900?
<DocScrutinizer05>
of course "only when you assume that the baseband firmware has been compromised"
<DocScrutinizer05>
jonsger1: yes, sure
<DocScrutinizer05>
still open for preorders
<jonsger1>
ah cool
<jonsger1>
for the baseband you use OsmocomBB?
<dal2>
right, understood re spying on decryption
<DocScrutinizer05>
however note please that we already should have updated the minimum down payment to 300
<DocScrutinizer05>
jonsger1: nope, OsmocomBB is neither fit for phone usage - it's basically a research tool - nor is it legal. We sandbox the modem on physical level
<bencoh>
(nor is it usable on umts/lte networks)
<jonsger1>
never heard that its not legal ;) I know that there is no umts/lte support yet
<DocScrutinizer05>
however there's a guy who plans to build a modem/phone based on Calypso chipset (the only chipset that would work with OsmocomBB and FreeCalypso) and we're trying to allow using such modem in Neo900 if that is REALLY what you want - mind you the Calypso chipset does not even EDGE
<DocScrutinizer05>
jonsger1: OsmocomBB is software and "legal". It's operating a transmitter with such unapproved software that's highly illegal
<kerio>
depending on where you are
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, not really
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I even doubt it would be legal outside 200 miles zone
<kerio>
joke's on you i own the principality of sealand
<bencoh>
200 miles zone ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's legal inside a faraday chamber
<DocScrutinizer05>
bencoh: open sea
<bencoh>
oh, that
<DocScrutinizer05>
no man's "land"
<bencoh>
not sure international laws say anything about that, but ... dunno
<DocScrutinizer05>
tbh me neither
<DocScrutinizer05>
there are globally valid regulations, I dunno who might enforce them in international territory
<kerio>
it's definetely legal to run such a transmitter if you're the monarch of your country
<kerio>
at least, in proper monarchies
<bencoh>
:]
<kerio>
not those bullshit constitutional monarchies
<bencoh>
anyway
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe when China would calim it's legal to shoot high energy microwaves to US satelites from international, then US would claim it's legal to sink chinese ships in international ;-)
<kerio>
it's definetely legal
<kerio>
i doubt it's in anyone's best interest, though
<dal2>
it's all trade agreements/economic warfare now...elite will be able to party in Shanghai or NYC
<dal2>
among states like China and US anyway
<kerio>
DocScrutinizer05: who checks that your faraday cage is good enough?
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, usually own company's technical service
<DocScrutinizer05>
worst case friendly authorities who charge me by $$$$$
<kerio>
very friendly
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, indeed, they also could make me do some months or years time
<bencoh>
that would allow you to take some time afk 0:-°
<DocScrutinizer05>
e.g when my signal allegedly was interfering with air traffic
<kerio>
PrisonerScrutinizrer
<kerio>
*zer
<DocScrutinizer05>
there been famous pirate broadcast stations outside the smaller offshore zone, on ships or retired drill platforms
<DocScrutinizer05>
but they "only" send FM music, and yet eventually an ATF took them out
<DocScrutinizer05>
also please see "resources" on neo900.org
<DocScrutinizer05>
particularly dos1's fine talks which explain the sandboxing which allows us to guarantee a free and secure linux and phone despite we have no other option than using a possibly rogue modem
<DocScrutinizer05>
despite the concept is genuinely mine, i'm not as good in writing papers and doing talks as he is
<DocScrutinizer05>
think of the modem like the scorpion in the jar on our desktop ;-)
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<kerio>
neo900 modem is in a glass jar
<kerio>
got it
<DocScrutinizer05>
while even allegedly secure phones like blackphone are using a CPU/SoC with integrateed modem nowadays (to save space and money), we are using a separate modem module (not yet unique, N900 e.g. does basically same) and - unlike any other phone every built - we monitor and control literally every single wire running to the modem
<DocScrutinizer05>
kerio: basically that's correct, yes. Maybe rather a fish bowl, with linux in control of the air injection, food supply, water temperature etc
<kerio>
blub <><
<kerio>
poor modem
<kerio>
he just wants to be free
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's actually "landlord" vs "fish in fishbowl". Neo900 modem is like a fish in fish bowl. Even blackphone's modem is like your landlord. Not supposed to ever enter your flat without your consent, but you hardly can guarantee that
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