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<merlin1991> actually linus has been on the ath9k mailing list some time ago because his wireless sucked
<merlin1991> didn't call a single person an idiot!
<DocScrutinizer05> until kdbus I really thought Linus must be the smartest guy ever
<DocScrutinizer05> accepting kdus doesn't feel that smart to me
<DocScrutinizer05> that maybe has impact on his pole position, but he's for sure still smart
<merlin1991> kdbus was accepted?
<merlin1991> last time I checked it was still a NOOO NEVAR thing
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<DocScrutinizer05> last thing I heard was "it's going kernel"
<DocScrutinizer05> not verified though
<DocScrutinizer05> not by myself
<DocScrutinizer05> other gossip had it that Linus was attending a meeting and arguing pro-systemd. I felt nausea trying to follow the YT video so I can't say if it actually was true or not
<DocScrutinizer05> I'd _love_ to learn it all is just evil badmouthing
<ShadowJK> In my experience, Linus only has opinion on userspace, when it fucks up his userspace
<DocScrutinizer05> *nod* that's what I thought as well
<ShadowJK> iirc, when $distro switched to networkmanager and it killed Linus' machines he was somewhat annoyed
<DocScrutinizer05> searching aunt G doesn't help either to confirm any of that
<DocScrutinizer05> so maybe what I heard was not backed by hard facts.
<P-G> He seems like a good guy but maybe too trusting.
<P-G> I've only seen a couple videos of him but he seems like an idealist.
<P-G> Maybe writing kernels has that effect on people.
<ShadowJK> Some people would say he's too paranoid :-)
<P-G> We're all paranoid. ;)
<DocScrutinizer05> hmmm >> [Fri 06 March 2015] [00:50:48] <MinceR> well, linus is cheerleading for systemd and he uses fedora <<
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<DocScrutinizer05> [Tue 27 January 2015] [22:54:03] <[TheFlash]> "I don't actually have any particularly strong opinions on systemd itself. I've had issues with some of the core developers that I think are much too cavalier about bugs and compatibility, and I think some of the design details are insane (I dislike the binary logs, for example), but those are details, not big issues."
<DocScrutinizer05> [Tue 27 January 2015] [22:54:14] <[TheFlash]> -- Linus Trollvalds
<DocScrutinizer05> [Tue 27 January 2015] [22:53:10] <golinux> From the local LUG in response to a systemd fanboi:
<DocScrutinizer05> [Tue 27 January 2015] [22:53:21] <golinux> "Typhoid Mary made good stew, I don't see what everyone was complaining about."
<ShadowJK> Trollvalds? nice
<ShadowJK> that's my middle name btw
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<ShadowJK> almost
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<DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g8eIIOXjZqs#t=2373 hmmm, yes. If only the two RH folks would listen
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<DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: maybe interesting for maemo/you
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<DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: sooner or later maemo will want to base on devuan rather than a systemd-only debian
<DocScrutinizer05> seems udev related/depending stuff like lsusb already is in that state
<DocScrutinizer05> aiui you couldn't build latest lsusb on maemo. Please ask pali about details
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<DocScrutinizer05> also see https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/HellekinConstitutionDraft and consider if you want to support those guys any way you can, possibly only by sharing your opinion and telling them they do something useful
<bencoh> feels like a Debian reloaded
<DocScrutinizer05> well, it actually is
<bencoh> "politics" included I mean
<bencoh> (even though the text explicitely tries to avoid some side effects)
<DocScrutinizer05> just a fork of debian that tries to keep user's freedom of choice rather than introducing a monster monolithic thing called systemd-* that you _need_ to install and that forbids using other *dev or init system implementation and grows like cancer into stuff like netfilters, DNS, whatnot else
<bencoh> yeah I know the purpose ;)
<DocScrutinizer05> the text is a draft meant to get discussed and refined/augmented. You're more than welcome to participate - /join #debianfork
<DocScrutinizer05> NB Poettering himself stated that systemd is not meant for embedded and will not cre whether embedded can work with a systemd based distro or not
<DocScrutinizer05> care*
<DocScrutinizer05> systemd is turning linux at large into a Desktop PC OS. That's why it's relevant and on topic in this channel
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<DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: btw I already suggested a few changes: http://privatepaste.com/fa3e1608b4
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<DocScrutinizer05> agrep \o/
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