DocScrutinizer05 changed the topic of #neo900 to: http://neo900.org | conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23neo900/ and http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900
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<DocScrutinizer05> poor werner, .ar internet seems quite a pain today
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<DocScrutinizer05> "static" (no ambient light fluctuation), 0 ambient light, 200mWcm: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/08/plasma-desktopYJ1893.png; same with 1mWcm: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/08/plasma-desktopQN1893.png; same with 1mWcm and 16 times that of ambient light: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/08/plasma-desktopwb1893.png: ~200mW LED 1cm distance, 1kW/m^2 bright sunlight ambient noise: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/08/plasma-desktopGZ1893.png
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<Pali> warning!!! gitorious is probably down, git clone git://gitorious.org/... fails with error "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly"
<Wizzup> It was going to be removed at some point, because gitlab aquired it
<Wizzup> acquired it*
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<drathir> Pali: clone to github for security...
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<x29a> that would be a rather quick "out of service" transition
<x29a> i assume its just some hickups, maybe remotely related to the acquisition
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<Pali> from #maemo-ssu I got information that git:// protocol really not working... but http:// yes
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<DocScrutinizer05> weird things seem to happen in internet. Maybe only peripherally related to any acquisition
<x29a> Pali: no https?
<Pali> https working
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry for noob Q: is git:// related to PAM etc?
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<DocScrutinizer05> maybe they updated to systemd ;-P
<DocScrutinizer05> JK, but a acquisition might cause actions impacting user auth database
<DocScrutinizer05> for example the user db might get moved to another server and accessed via RPC, so the new owner has no access to it
<Pali> FUCK YOU GOOGLE
<Pali> FUCK
<Pali> they locked my mail account without any reason
<Pali> for all: I do not have access to my mail box
<Pali> DO NOT SEND MY ANY EMAILS!
<mvaenskae> Pali: maybe some chinese dude tried to make something stupid :(
<drathir> Pali: and yes is closing down one from bigger github like services...
<drathir> not correct which one...
<Pali> gitorious is closing... I know
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<drathir> Pali: and use tor for gmail, they dont detect suspicious activities jp
<Pali> I cannot use it anymore
<Pali> account is locked
<drathir> oh ;( i think only channel locked...
<DocScrutinizer05> google ohmy
<wpwrak> Pali: maybe "secret" wasn't such a good password after all :)
<Pali> my @gmail.com jabber was disconnected too
<drathir> gogle is awful even with creating new aaccounts ;/ no idea why make restrictions...
<drathir> Pali: bad google bad ones attacking Pali ;(
<DocScrutinizer05> telling you sth odd is going on in internet since several days
<drathir> DocScrutinizer05: systemd ;p
<DocScrutinizer05> maybe ;-D
<drathir> if good remember ubuntu switching...
<DocScrutinizer05> ooh right
<drathir> but sadly i guess no other good alternative with email providers? ofc exclude own server...
* drathir tryin send gpg mails only when possible that security of google there isnt in high lvl, but enough atm...
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway during last maybe 4 days I had: web.de not answering POP3, several websites not answering HTML, some other internet users suffering frequent problems with youtube, and last 24h .ar incl wpwrak down several times
<drathir> maybe goin to search someone with riseup account for testing, but sadly that expire bc of inactivity...
<drathir> DocScrutinizer05: maybe another security hole need to hear a little maybe someone know something...
<drathir> DocScrutinizer05: one person occur dead few dns servers in one time de based too...
<drathir> DocScrutinizer05: maybe that is dns attack instead...
<DocScrutinizer05> quite possible
<DocScrutinizer05> wasn't there a bug regarding DNS cache poisoning in systemd?
<DocScrutinizer05> DNS servers need resolv/DNS-query too ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway when anybody should know then that's Pali. He's our man at the front of CVS, always reporting latest mess going on
<DocScrutinizer05> err CVE
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<Pali> I suggest everybody to STOP using google services and close their accounts
<Pali> do backup
<Pali> and migrate to own services
<P-G> I agree but what makes you say that now?
<Pali> P-G: see backlog
<bencoh> 15:08 < Pali> I suggest everybody to STOP using google services and close their accounts
<bencoh> +1
<P-G> Thanks.
<DocScrutinizer05> well, I can't. I never even considered _starting_ that
<DocScrutinizer05> I guess there must be a google account I needed for OM, since Sean had the glorious idea to use google for some OM services
<DocScrutinizer05> oh, yet another thing I noticed during last week: massive increase in SPAM mail
<bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: :-)
<Wizzup> DocScrutinizer05: git:// is git's own protocol
<DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup: I know what's git://
<Wizzup> ok, then I didn't get your question
<DocScrutinizer05> I don't know how tight it's entangled with user auth
<Wizzup> I don't think it does auth, and it doesn't do writing (least I heard)
<Wizzup> so it's really only for RO clones, afain
<Wizzup> afaik*
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm, k, then this was a red herring
<P-G> Man, that sucks, Pali. :(
<DocScrutinizer05> doe git:// have its own DNS records?
<Wizzup> doubt it
<DocScrutinizer05> port80, http based?
<Pali> git:// has own protocol
<Pali> not HTTP related
<Wizzup> Next is the Git protocol. This is a special daemon that comes packaged with Git; it listens on a dedicated port (9418) that provides a service similar to the SSH protocol, but with absolutely no authentication.
<Pali> there is also support to download git packs via HTTP
<Pali> but that is slow...
<Wizzup> You can enable push access; but given the lack of authentication, if you turn on push access, anyone on the internet who finds your project’s URL could push to your project.
<DocScrutinizer05> >>Git can use four major protocols to transfer data: Local, HTTP, Secure Shell (SSH) and Git.<< is about what I seem to remember, yes
<DocScrutinizer05> so saying "git:// doesn't work" is a tad fuzzy
<Wizzup> git:// tells git to use it's own protocol
<Wizzup> over port 9418
<Wizzup> there's alt ssh:// (or just user@) and also http/https://
<DocScrutinizer05> ooh, ok, and how does my client convert gi://blabla.some.where to an IP?
<DocScrutinizer05> and port
<Wizzup> just standard A records
<DocScrutinizer05> k
<drathir> DocScrutinizer05: gonna to monitoring the channels if anyone hear somethin...
<drathir> Pali: ++ have You maybe the keybase.io?
<drathir> Pali: correct... any sugestions for imap mail dump?
<Pali> DocScrutinizer05: host via DNS and port is well known
<DocScrutinizer05> yep, got that now
<DocScrutinizer05> so when DNS servers resolve http:// correctly there's no possible issue from DNS with git:// either
<DocScrutinizer05> must be gitorious itself then
<P-G> Probably web server or database problem.
<Pali> yes, they stopped something
<DocScrutinizer05> either they stopped or they got stopped
<DocScrutinizer05> DDoS possible
<DocScrutinizer05> what's the response code?
<P-G> They should be able to deal with DDoS...
<DocScrutinizer05> port closed/filtered? not responding? 404? 5xx?
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry I'm really not usually using git
<P-G> I don't use it either. I tried once but I couldn't figure it out. :p
<P-G> Seems like a really cool system though.
<drathir> Wizzup: git:// is also encrypted?
<Wizzup> I don't know, I doubt it
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<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: yeah, had an increasing amout of network troubles for the last ~2-3 weeks. local segment, regional sites, overseas sites, ... annoying.
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<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: seems global internet weather is quite stormy during last weeks
<wpwrak> maybe someone wrote an extra-kiddie-friendly ddos kit
<DocScrutinizer05> who knows which secret wars are raging where between which parties
<DocScrutinizer05> I blame north Korea
<DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> revenge for that film X-P
<DocScrutinizer05> and who could tell if they maybe even are brothers in arms with Ukraine separatists
<wpwrak> or maybe some infighting betwee NSA and homeland whatever :)
<DocScrutinizer05> hehe, that for sure could kill the internet worldwide. Yes
<DocScrutinizer05> or NSA simply forgot to _not_ record/copy and forward to the datacenter their own data packages to the datacenter ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> sorta like wireshark via ssh
<DocScrutinizer05> each packet in or out creating 4 new packets out
<P-G> Lol!
<DocScrutinizer05> err s/4/younameit/
<P-G> That would be terrible and hilarious.
<DocScrutinizer05> http://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&list=0&time=16104&view=map not sying there's anything particularly related in there, just generically helpful site
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry for the timestamp, here you are http://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&list=0&time=16501&view=map
<DocScrutinizer05> bandwidth doesn't look like going through the roof
<DocScrutinizer05> around Dec, Jan though... :-o
<DocScrutinizer05> sidenote: one of the webpages I need to use FF for since it doesn't work in konqueror
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<DocScrutinizer05> haha, severe doubts about it http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Die-Tops-und-Flops-des-MWC-2015-2570443.html?hg=1&hgi=16&hgf=true (blackphone: allegedly "top")
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<DocScrutinizer05> lol >>Following ICT tradition, the Enterprise Edition is more than three times as expensive, while providing less stability than two of the regular products combined.<<
<kerio> Levenstein distance of "Lack" and "Rack" is 1. Can this still be a coincidence?
<bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: I guess you didnt just discovered lackrack :p
<bencoh> s/didnt/havent
<kerio> i actually wonder how it works
<kerio> do you really just mount stuff from a single side
<kerio> with 4 screws
<kerio> how is that safe
<bencoh> not really, since the legs are shallow
<kerio> *hollow?
<bencoh> both
<kerio> my question was, aren't you supposed to put some screws on the back side as well
<kerio> or are rackmounts actually *that* fragile
<bencoh> oh, that depends on the serveur you're mounting
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<bencoh> some can live with just 2 screws on a single side
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<Pali> congrat google! new version of chromium browser will depends on linux 3.17+ kernel
<Pali> I cannot comment this total nonsence idiocy...
<Oksana> Cannot they just use standards which compile across anything and everything?..
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<Pali> "... google says that next releases of chromium will drops support for kernels without TSYNC"
<kerio> wut
<Pali> "> Can I to expect that debian 8/jessie will have support for TSYNC?"
<Pali> "Sounds like another good reason to not use Google spyware."
<Pali> "> Google Chrome for Linux is the only possibility to use latest version of Adobe flash player for Linux as far as I know."
<Pali> "another good reason not to use it."
<DocScrutinizer05> will folks ever learn?
<Pali> its google problem... they are breaking kernel-->userspace ABI and want everyone to use new kernel version???
<Pali> I understand that debian guyes does not want to add google's kernel patch into packages after freeze
<Oksana> Would the change ever be done in the kernel, if not for google? If no, then Google Chrome should be thrown out of the window...
<DocScrutinizer05> why does a browser need such special kernel features anyway?
<DocScrutinizer05> smells like design BS
<Pali> it is some security feature provided by kernel which can be used to isolate processes
<drathir> Pali: i even dont mind wth chromium touching kernel services/modules...
<Pali> and it was added to 3.17 kernel
<Pali> and google use it for sandboxing
<DocScrutinizer05> meh, I can isolate processes a number of ways
<Pali> me too
<Pali> but google not
<DocScrutinizer05> and when google didn't do this already, then you should retroactively remove their crap from all distros for 5 years back
<Pali> TSYNC is "better process isolation" :D
<DocScrutinizer05> I'm proud to state I _never_ even touched google chrome
<drathir> Pali: DocScrutinizer05 good that chromium not required the kvm support ;p
<Pali> do not forget that this channel is logged
<drathir> and running pages in isolated vm-s ;p
<Pali> rather shut up when you got stupid ideas... we will see that in new version...
<DocScrutinizer05> wait, who was it who gone mad about google locking services for him, just today? ;-)
<drathir> Pali: You think they stolen idea with kvm soonish?
<drathir> lol
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<DocScrutinizer05> it feels embarrassing that I still use gooogle for search engine, usually
<Pali> my account is locked, they cannot lock it...
* drathir anyway ff onboard...
<Pali> ?
* drathir ddg onboard ;p
<drathir> btw ddg dsabled some time ago http support...
<drathir> "forcing" use https...
<Oksana> I use duckduckgo. Set it as MicroB search engine, too.
* Oksana has to resort to Google for time-filtered search, though...
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<drathir> ups...
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