<DocScrutinizer05>
I wonder ehat the socket incl err inlay would cost. I even wonder if I ever will be able to find out
<DocScrutinizer05>
posibly a few kilobucks
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<DocScrutinizer05>
nah, friendly guys in Munich say it's a few hundred bucks only
<DocScrutinizer05>
phone calls sometimes are really effective
<wpwrak>
pogo for bga ? neat !
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, and not really completely unfeasible to build a 'simple' tester for PoP chips from a BB-xM with a tiny "picture frame" PCB on top and such socket on top of the PCB
<DocScrutinizer05>
I already have an offer to send those Munich guys a spec of the component we wanna test and they give us precise quote
<DocScrutinizer05>
I also know how to design such stuff from other similar contraptions I've seen. Actually the 'tiny picture frame PCB' will be absolutely not that tiny, since it needs to be large enough to have 4 mounting holes for bolts that mount it rigidly to the BB-xM base PCB
<DocScrutinizer05>
for positioning I suggest to have 2 (or 4) hollow vias over pins of OMAP FCPGA that are "do not use", so you can visually control positioning by looking though the via hole
<DocScrutinizer05>
another 4 holes *exactly* on the 4 corners of OMAP will also help a long way for positioning
<DocScrutinizer05>
dos1: Cell commented on Xmas Update - Neo900 - Neo900: is there an estimate on when will it be released? cause the specs r getting outdated quickly.
<DocScrutinizer05>
could you please answer "while we are not competing regarding specs with any of the 'contemporary devices' we still hope to ship significantly before end of this year. But as always in development of any product: it's getting shipped when it's ready"
<DocScrutinizer05>
OWTTE in your own words and more friendly way to say things :-D
<DocScrutinizer05>
LOL
<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: we talked about inkjet printer and that I maybe need a cronjob to make it print a 'refresh page' once a week so it doesn't dry up. Guess what, it has a cronjob built in, it just started nozzle cleaning out of thin air, shocking me quite a bit
<DocScrutinizer05>
X-P
<DocScrutinizer05>
since that happened exactly 12:00 noon local time, you see the built-in NTP daemon works quite well ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I prolly need to check my network traffic and adjust my router's firewall for this brother printer
* DocScrutinizer05
idly wonders whom the printer gave a call already when I tried (in vain, aborted) to color-copy a 20EUR ygeldschein
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/y*/banknote
<DocScrutinizer05>
leftsuper+y = ding hotkey ;-)
* DocScrutinizer05
notices how electronic dictionary at your fingertips fosters mental laziness
<DocScrutinizer05>
makes you want a nonlinear junction detector with demodulator and wideband TX freq tuning
<DocScrutinizer05>
plus a number of "old fashioned hubs" to splice into your cat6 cables
<DocScrutinizer05>
the *names*!! "HOWLERMONKEY"
<DocScrutinizer05>
"IRATEMONK provides software application persistence on desktop and laptop by implanting the HARD DRIVE FIRMWARE to gain execution through MBR substitution" - 2008-06-20
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe Neo900 UG should contact NSA for component selection and sourcing, they seem to build quite some intriguing chips and stuff
<DocScrutinizer05>
http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/08/plasma-desktopUF1901.png 'SNEAKERNET' is quite funny, obviously relating to those guys/entities that have no other access to IT infra and the SWAP application than waiting for someone wearing sneakers running around and delivering printouts or even spoken news
<DocScrutinizer05>
we used the term "Turnschuhnetz" (~= SNEAKERNET) already back in the early 1980s
<DocScrutinizer05>
at least for some of the radar bands possibly used
<DocScrutinizer05>
"SURELYSPAWN is part of the ANGRYNEIGHBOR family of radar retro-reflectors"
<DocScrutinizer05>
you'd indeed suspect an angry neighbor when you notice somebody trying to 'fry' you with quite massive 2.4GHz microwave/radar radiation ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
hey, you - as the attacking party - could even amplitude modulate the 2.4GHz TX at 80 or 90% with the usual halfwave sine found in common microwave ovens to cover the true purpose, and you can simply compensate for that AM by feeding it to RX demod amp negative input
<DocScrutinizer05>
"GOPHERSET is a software implant for GSM SIM(!!!). This implant pulls phonebook, SMS, and call-log from target handset and exfiltrates it to a user-defined phone number via SMS" -- Sorry NSA, not on Neo900 ;-D
<DocScrutinizer05>
worst case they could collect/keep an own hidden call-log but then calls are already publicly visible and thus known to whomever is interested
<DocScrutinizer05>
and obviously they couldn't build a local hidden call log for times before the GOPHERSET was implanted, and they can't access any Neo900 call log from that time, even if such log exists in linux land
<DocScrutinizer05>
MONKEYCALENDAR does same for GPS/geolocation data. Again no chance for doing that on a Neo900
<freemangordon>
hmm? what stuff? you think the chip is faulty?
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems the patch got introduced 2009
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, I think there's something wrong in kernel or uBoot
<freemangordon>
oh, deffinitely
<freemangordon>
I think the same
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I wonder if we could boot N9 kernel
<freemangordon>
"we"? :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
or use uBoot to do some decent flashing and readout of NAND
<freemangordon>
maybe it is not that bad idea to send me the second (faulty mmc if) device
<DocScrutinizer05>
ok, no problem
<freemangordon>
as debugging sessions via email are nightmare
<DocScrutinizer05>
indeed
<DocScrutinizer05>
I already wondered if you could do that stuff remote
<freemangordon>
me too
<freemangordon>
but what I see as a problem is that someone should press the "reset" button on the device
<DocScrutinizer05>
ouch
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I might find a way to do that remote too :-)
<freemangordon>
that would be great
<freemangordon>
is there WD on that BB?
<DocScrutinizer05>
Nik built a 16 relay card 5 or 6 years ago...
<freemangordon>
oh
<freemangordon>
yeah, remote access will be the best approach
<freemangordon>
I only need the serial forwarded
<freemangordon>
or shell to the machine the device is attached to
<DocScrutinizer05>
so I will ask Nik for a remote login account and some tiny hackery to connect reset switch to a relay
<freemangordon>
that will be great
<DocScrutinizer05>
sent
<DocScrutinizer05>
when relay card isn't available, then there's still ethernet power outlets
<DocScrutinizer05>
which should be rather equivalent, when we power cycle the power supply
<DocScrutinizer05>
... unless board gets powered via USB
<freemangordon>
:)
<DocScrutinizer05>
bbiam
<DocScrutinizer05>
back
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<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon: would you even want to mess around with MMC content?
<DocScrutinizer05>
would you be able to do so via uBoot or whatever? or would you simply load kernel from serial/USB instead from MMC?
<DocScrutinizer05>
btw NOLO actually has an option to boot kernel from USB attached storage IIRC
<DocScrutinizer05>
so I guess uBoot must have too
<DocScrutinizer05>
does ttyACM/USB work concurrently to mass storage mode?
<DocScrutinizer05>
robot arm to move MMC from BB-xM to USB card reader, funny
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's quite a pity Nik has so many other projects of higher priority than Neo900, so he frequently can't assign sufficient timeslots to us
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, a pity for us
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe not so much for him, it seems
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-)
<rjeffries>
DocScrutinizer05 what is working so far on Neo900? It seems your team has made decent if slow (!) progress. Is wpwrak still involved?
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure
<DocScrutinizer05>
nothing wrong
<DocScrutinizer05>
just the progress being slow, among other reasons for the ones I just mentioned
<DocScrutinizer05>
we're about to make NAND in our 1GB RAM PoP chips work with uBoot and kernel
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<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon and Nik debugged the stuff today, and we see a
<DocScrutinizer05>
[ 3.601287] omap2-onenand omap2-onenand: initializing on CS0, phys base 0x20000000, virtual base f0100000, freq 83 MHz
<DocScrutinizer05>
the idiocy is: we can't find/get datasheets for that 1GB-RAM/512MB-OneNAND PoP chip
<freemangordon>
DocScrutinizer05: no (mmc contents)
<DocScrutinizer05>
so if it wasn't the absolutely only chip existing that provides 1GB RAM and we (resp *you*, our customers) so badly want those 1GB RAM, we wouldn't even consider using such chip that has no public docs available
<freemangordon>
u-boot should be pretty much enough
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon: thought as much
<freemangordon>
DocScrutinizer05: well, another option is to bite the bullet and assume that onenand works. if it turns that it is broken, well, you still have eMMC to put rootfs on
<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon: would you need to watch any LEDs?
<freemangordon>
:D
<freemangordon>
NFC, I've never seen BB-XM in my life
<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon: I don't think we could boot from eMMC
<freemangordon>
why?
<DocScrutinizer05>
it's controller #2
<DocScrutinizer05>
boot sequence doesn't include #2 iirc
<freemangordon>
well, you can swap uSD/eMMC
<DocScrutinizer05>
not really
<DocScrutinizer05>
plus that would create another problem then: no boot from uSD
<freemangordon>
ok
<DocScrutinizer05>
eMMC is 8bit bus, uSD is 4bit
<DocScrutinizer05>
can't get swapped
<ds2>
thought the DM3730 dropped 8 bit support?
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe we could find another SYS_BOOT config that allows booting from eMMC
<DocScrutinizer05>
ds2: sorry?
<DocScrutinizer05>
never heard of that
<ds2>
wait
<DocScrutinizer05>
(other SYS_BOOT) actually I pondered exactly that some ~60min ago
<DocScrutinizer05>
the differences to our frankenBB are just the PoP and the SYS_BOOT resistors
<freemangordon>
DocScrutinizer05: the difference is where are gpmc/Axx lines connected
<DocScrutinizer05>
which lines?
<freemangordon>
gpio34-41
<DocScrutinizer05>
I doubt GPIO lines are on PoP
<DocScrutinizer05>
and even when they are, they are not changed
<freemangordon>
they are muxed
<DocScrutinizer05>
a BGA pin is a BGA pin
<freemangordon>
yes, but if some of the GPIOs are not set up correctly, onenand won;t work
<DocScrutinizer05>
when CS1 (for example) is muxed, then we can find out about that without any schematics
<DocScrutinizer05>
TRM will suffice to tell which GPIO is muxed on CS1
<freemangordon>
why CS1?
<freemangordon>
isn't it on CS0?
<DocScrutinizer05>
because I just thought that this is a signal that *might* not be needed on 512MB one bank RAM, which obviously is irrelevant and unrelated
<DocScrutinizer05>
I guess for NAND pinout absolutely zilch has changed from original BB-xM
<freemangordon>
anyway, it seems I should read the TRM more carefully to try to grok how this shit works
* freemangordon
is going afk
<DocScrutinizer05>
see you later, I hope
* DocScrutinizer05
waves
<DocScrutinizer05>
you're right (some of) the NAND signals also are on bottom balls
<DocScrutinizer05>
but they always were
<DocScrutinizer05>
so an incorrect muxing in that kernel would also affect a standard BB-xM and actually every OMAP3 device
<DocScrutinizer05>
AIUI
<DocScrutinizer05>
since also AIUI the pins on top and bottom are hardwired together, not muxed between upper and lower
<DocScrutinizer05>
honestly I guess ds2 is up on something real with his clocks
<DocScrutinizer05>
the controller timing config has to match the clock generating config
<DocScrutinizer05>
when 4.0 is using a different divider/PLL setting for clock generators then you can't use a 2.x based timing together with it
<DocScrutinizer05>
the memcontroller timings are no absolute values I guess. they are "5 clock cycles of clock#17". When you change clock#17 then you also need to change the timing value in memcontroller to get the same absolute nanoseconds result
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<freemangordon>
hmm, N9 xloader does some weird stuff with gpmc/nand
<DocScrutinizer05>
hmmm
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