06:55 <fling> Hello.

06:58 <fling> Any news?

08:31 <fling> What if somebody will update the site? People want to see some news…

09:34 <fling> What is the current price and device count planned? (both complete devices and separate mobos)

10:05 <DocScrutinizer05> fling: we have no current price, we have an estimation that's only slightly _above_ our original estimation which been without stuff like 1GB RAM and other goodies we added later on popular demand. We have only total count (not distinguishing between NeoN and complete device) which is 400some

10:06 <fling> Will it be completed this year? :P

10:06 <DocScrutinizer05> that distinguishing and counting number of complete devices is exactly one of the purposes of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1465978

10:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes, I *really* hope for the whole thing rolling out this year. Or possibly i'll lose all my hair over that project

10:08 <fling> Ok, thanks for your work! :}

10:09 <DocScrutinizer05> just this minute I'm doing 'useful' 'fun' stuff though like fighting gangsters robbing Neo900 UG bank account by bank withdrawals which you need to dispute or they will go legit, no matter how rogue and bogus they are

10:09 <DocScrutinizer05> dang! I'm EE, NOT accountant or merchant

10:10 <fling> eur/rur exchange rate goes down so I might be willing to send one more payment after a while…

10:10 <DocScrutinizer05> welcome :-)

10:10 <fling> OMG What withdrawals?

10:11 <DocScrutinizer05> random rogue dude handing in bulk withdrawal from NNNNNN accounts to his bank

10:11 <DocScrutinizer05> 1% will succeed since going unnoticed

10:12 <fling> How is this even possible?

10:12 <DocScrutinizer05> you have 8(?) weeks to dispute any such rogue withdrawal or it will succeed

10:12 <DocScrutinizer05> google "Bankeinzugsverfahren"

10:12 <fling> I don't get what 'rogue withdrawal' is. Ok, googling.

10:13 <DocScrutinizer05> money transfer between two bank accounts initiated by destination, not source

10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> *very* idiotic thing

10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> you cannot opt out

10:14 <fling> Last time I asked how is it going you guys were fighting with banks not willing to move the funds to the proper account…

10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> that's over

10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> luckuly

10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> luckily*

10:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/10/plasma-desktopYU1901.png

10:20 <DocScrutinizer05> you have to process each single one of the disputes, with TAN and all

10:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder how you'd possibly even do that once they go up to 100s per week

10:22 <DocScrutinizer05> the above been filtered for 29.94 - there been other similar ones too

10:27 <jake42> maybe obfusicate the account number on neo900.org would help?

10:28 <jake42> I thought it's possible to opt out, at least for business accounts

10:30 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno

10:30 <DocScrutinizer05> going to ask DB

10:31 <DocScrutinizer05> jake42: thanks!

10:33 <jake42> yw, but lets see if it's really possible

10:56 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, not possible. Called DB service line

10:57 <DocScrutinizer05> they told me what I already knew: no opt-out whatsoever, please report an offence to police and/or contact the withdrawing party to check what's wrong#

11:43 <jake42> :-/

12:30 <DocScrutinizer05> semi-sorted anyway

12:30 <DocScrutinizer05> called 1&1 and GMX

12:31 <DocScrutinizer05> so it's sorted till next DoS-alike attack from another 'serious' company that got abused by some fraudulent jerk

12:33 <DocScrutinizer05> pondering to contact police so this dude (yes, it's only one person) gets at least same hassle I suffered from his abuse of Neo900 account data

12:35 <Wizzup> do it

12:40 <DocScrutinizer05> who's gonna recompensate me for all the expense? (time wasted, phonecalls - that was well >1h for now already)

12:40 <DocScrutinizer05> contacting polica has potential to eat anothr 5..8h total

12:40 <DocScrutinizer05> plus travel to their office

12:50 <DocScrutinizer05> and then they have a record of not following up on such stuff when it "takes too much effort" to really find out whom to blame

12:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/10/plasma-desktopdp1901.png

12:56 <DocScrutinizer05> pathetic

12:56 <DocScrutinizer05> note the footnote "...not possible yet"

13:12 <DocScrutinizer05> wow that's nasty. Sth locked up in my N900 yesterday. I wss able to do phonecalls and send SMS for a while, but now it didn't act on any clicks on homescreen anymore (except long-press to enable edit mode, and klick on ok to exit edit mode, as well as click to hildon status menu which worked just fine) - a `killall hildon-home` did it and replayed a few notifications for "SMS sent" and "New SMS inbound: 1" which I missed yesterday

13:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I also noticed occasional audio problems (PA stuttering) during phonecall - sth I basically never seen/heard before

13:17 <DocScrutinizer05> HMMM http://privatepaste.com/669603026b (after killall) -- wtf modest?

13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, I tend to blame recaller which is implemented as a subprocess of hildon-home it seems

13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> really nasty concept

13:28 <DocScrutinizer05> a hickup in *any* of those applets tears down whole hildon-home and this - when causing e.g. segfault - reders the complete system broken and trapped in a reboot loop (dsme rebooting system when a process - here hildon-home - respawns too often)

13:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess recaler for example needs a refacturing, turning it into a proper autonomous process that maybe just communicates with a stub behind the desktop icon

13:35 <DocScrutinizer05> recaller -> http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/10/plasma-desktoptE1901.png 'currently-recording' which evidently it doesn't

13:36 <DocScrutinizer05> (to save you some time: the other two numbers/calls are to DeutscheBank phone service and to 1&1 hotline)

13:38 <DocScrutinizer05> "currently recording" should be the call to GMX FRAUD hotline

16:06 <jake42> http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/10/plasma-desktop

16:06 <DocScrutinizer05> err aha, 404

16:07 <jake42> woops, sry

16:07 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)

16:07 <jake42> tried to copy sth in vala-terminal

16:08 <jake42> it only does copy and past in one go apparently

18:12 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack

18:12 <infobot> thanks, DocScrutinizer51

19:44 <DocScrutinizer05> 1GB RAM BB-xM arrived in my letterbox today: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150410_013.jpg

20:04 <DocScrutinizer05> another cp210x adapter

20:05 <DocScrutinizer05> will be pretty hard to distinguish the relay card from my Voltcraft PSU

20:05 <DocScrutinizer05> oops ECHAN