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<DocScrutinizer05>
progress bar is pointless since there's no particular next goal to reach in number of preordered devices. We might have progress bar again soon for the webshop thing
<Wizzup>
DocScrutinizer05: I guess something like: "Next up: finishing the webshop" is good
<Wizzup>
and then when it's done: "webshop finished, next up: X, Y, Z"
<DocScrutinizer05>
that sounds useful but implies a linear proceeding. Actually many many things happen in parallel
<DocScrutinizer05>
and usually we can't even say what's next to complete
<sixwheeledbeast^>
Exactly and that's the nature of this kind of project.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I considered a public task planner where you can see what tasks pending and maybe even a sort of "progress bar" for each task
<DocScrutinizer05>
I even publicly asked community to suggest and maybe provide such task planner
<sixwheeledbeast^>
Think of a 0-100 progressbar that hangs for ages, lots going on but the user gets impatient as he feels no progress is happening.
<DocScrutinizer05>
which is sort of what we have right now :-/
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm aware the situation is sub-optimal
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<DocScrutinizer05>
we could use a web designer or HTML wizard or whatever you call that, since dos1 is quite busy with studies and he's the only one to update website and implement new stuff
<Wizzup>
wrt parallel, you can just mention the things in parallel
<Wizzup>
"we're (still) working on x, y, z"
<Wizzup>
not that I am complaining btw
<Wizzup>
I just idle here and follow progress :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm trying to do this in tmo updates
<DocScrutinizer05>
8h ago I been busy to figure a way to create 400+ voucher codes in prestashop from a csv list of payments
<Wizzup>
:)
<Wizzup>
the microblog would also be useful for this imho
<DocScrutinizer05>
prestashop is sort of PHP, except dos1 nobody in core team has the cochones to touch that
<DocScrutinizer05>
prestashop also is a true CMS with a complex mysql database behind it, and I'm quite averse of touching that db directly either, since the relations in that db are pretty much undocumented
<DocScrutinizer05>
we seen in maemo midgard what happens when you mess with the database behind this sort of CMS
<tehrainz>
hey will neo900 have an up to date browser (>2014 release)
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: please note that Neo900 is not bound to (and doesn't ship with) a particular OS. So the question rather is: "Will OS-$xy be ported to Neo900 hw platform?"
<varu|zZz>
i think it's basically up to us as the users
<DocScrutinizer05>
also see Replicant, SHR, QtMoko, younameit
<tehrainz>
so basically since there hasnt been any seriius effort in the past couple of years to bring maemo's choice of browsers up to date... shouldnt expect much from neo900 since its still the same dev group...?
<DocScrutinizer05>
if you want, you can run pretty standard debian on Neo900. The adaption to finger friendly small screen and phone support will be up to you then
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: same dev group?
<varu|zZz>
tehrainz: bringing new browsers to maemo isn't very useful now afaik due to the n900's ram limitation
<DocScrutinizer05>
you're aware that maemo been developed by Nokia?
<tehrainz>
i get it its not really a phone for everyday usage
<varu|zZz>
ram limit & browser choice are my main gripes with n900, and they go hand in hand :(
<varu|zZz>
if n900 had 1gb ram, the situation would've been very different
<varu|zZz>
neo900 rectifies that, among many other things
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<MonkeyofDoom>
with chroots or some other work you can run modern browsers on the N900
<MonkeyofDoom>
(with maemo)
<MonkeyofDoom>
except perhaps Chrome; it probably wants a shiny new kernel
<varu|zZz>
but it'll be a very painful experience...
<tehrainz>
hmmm i have a poc android with ~500mb ram... and that thing has more briwser options that my n900
<MonkeyofDoom>
Android has more users and developers than "true" linux; shouldn't one expect it to have more software options?
<varu|zZz>
#1 android (thus much larger community), #2 double the ram
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: then use Replicant on Neo900 ;-)
<MonkeyofDoom>
I've never heard of a browser *not running* with the n900's memory
<MonkeyofDoom>
but you're not going to have 50 tabs open, true
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<tehrainz>
i hate gaydroid
<DocScrutinizer05>
again: since Neo900 is not locked to a particular OS, you hardly will find any phone that can run more browsers than Neo900
<varu|zZz>
MonkeyofDoom: on mine, opera crashes due to low ram all the time
<MonkeyofDoom>
ah, I've never tried opera
<varu|zZz>
the regular microb takes something like 5min to render a page, while pegging the cpu
<tehrainz>
im surprised to have soo many browser options on my pos droid when in fact the java/android footprint uses up most of the ram
<varu|zZz>
most? lol not quite
<DocScrutinizer05>
in theory you even could run OS-C in a VM under OS-B, while alternatively you could still boot to OS-A via uBoot multiboot menu
<tehrainz>
at any point i only have about 100mb free ram
<DocScrutinizer05>
varu|zZz: (5 min) sounds like you're deep in swap hell
<DocScrutinizer05>
also Opera hardly can crash due to OOM as long as some swap still free
<DocScrutinizer05>
so it seems you used up all 1GB of physical and virtual memory when Opera crashes, and that means 768MB of that are swap which is known to be sloooooow
<MonkeyofDoom>
personally, I use the latest builds of Midori which works pretty well
<DocScrutinizer05>
on Neo900 you got 1GB of realphysical RAM
<tehrainz>
so how much will a neo900 set me vack?
<MonkeyofDoom>
but I compile them locally
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: price tag? or what been the question?
<tehrainz>
how is midori on n900? tried it couple years baxk but it was unstable
<DocScrutinizer05>
dunno, never used it
<tehrainz>
yes $$ billz yo
<DocScrutinizer05>
afk, busy with installing and configuring a webshop ;-)
<varu|zZz>
DocScrutinizer05: you got it, ram usually sits at about half-full
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: a tad more than largest iPhone (without subsidy)
<tehrainz>
do you hafe prices on the webshop...?
<varu|zZz>
once i launch a browser, *wham*, and swap hell
<varu|zZz>
even with swap on a class 10 sd card, it's still unbearable
<DocScrutinizer05>
varu|zZz: "normal"
<DocScrutinizer05>
aka "known annoyance and the reason why Neo900 comes with 1GB RAM(!), not virtual memory
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<DocScrutinizer05>
I promised to bring you decent RAM size, we accomplished it :-D
<tehrainz>
so is the hardware completely open ie cad etc made available?
<tehrainz>
is that low latency ram ddr3 or slower ram...?
<Openbot>
dear docscrutinizer05 i submitted my first bug report thanks to you :-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: we've discussed thos "free & open hw" topic a lot, and basically there's no proper definition for it, unlike for software. Neo900 comes with all the documentation you possibly could need to make the device truly your own
<DocScrutinizer05>
Openbot: :-D
<tehrainz>
yes but my definition is access to cad files for the pcb
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: the RAM on Neo900 is LPDDR 200MHz
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: there's no such thing like CAD files for PCB. CAD applies only to mechanical parts like cases etc
<DocScrutinizer05>
we eventually will publish the eagle project files if that's what you wanna know
<tehrainz>
so you hand drew the pcv layers and simulated it using an abacus?
<DocScrutinizer05>
NB that you can really use them only with a eagle-professional version since they are ~30 schematics sheets and a 8-layer PCB
<Openbot>
tehrainz neo900 is one of a kind project that embraces openness
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: stop trolling please
<tehrainz>
sorrt just annoys me when someone says something like theres no cad files for the pcb
<DocScrutinizer05>
while we probably eventually will publish full (eagle) project files, that's not a primary goal of Neo900
<Openbot>
tehrainz no trolling i am here
<tehrainz>
computer aided design
<tehrainz>
not mechanical
<tehrainz>
not electrical
<DocScrutinizer05>
tehrainz: sorry, it annoys me (as EE and CTO of Neo900) when somebody asks for stuff that doesn't exist and is not even defined
<DocScrutinizer05>
[2015-04-19 Sun 17:15:47] <DocScrutinizer05> NB that you can really use them only with a eagle-professional version since they are ~30 schematics sheets and a 8-layer PCB
* DocScrutinizer05
now is afk for good
<tehrainz>
ok
<tehrainz>
eaglesoft CAD is what i need; thank you ee & cto of the neo900 project
<DocScrutinizer05>
yw and don't forget to donate to support our work, we're not paid by state using your your tax for that
<DocScrutinizer05>
so I really wonder where from that notion that we owe you something
<tehrainz>
i will when theres an actual product
<DocScrutinizer05>
we're not interested in that sort of "support"
<Openbot>
whatever the html one is nice and state of the art for me at least
<Openbot>
repairing with that detail would be a blaze
<DocScrutinizer05>
you can bet on that, you won't find any better documented consumer product
<tehrainz>
its not a consumer product...yet...
<DocScrutinizer05>
and I'm feeling slightly pissed by people who approach me like I owe them something just because I started that project, while they sit at the sideline and watch and don't contribute except demanding for stuff we allegedly don't provide despite they have a right to receive it
<Openbot>
na wrong i once found a pdf of a chineese phone that had every part labeld
<Openbot>
but that is a accident i gess
<DocScrutinizer05>
and by people who think THEY are the ones to define what *I* do
<Openbot>
get a thermometer
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<tehrainz>
who what now?
<Openbot>
place it under your tounge
<Openbot>
repoet readings here
<Openbot>
kabouik ??
<Openbot>
kabouik_ hi
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<DocScrutinizer05>
[2015-04-19 Sun 17:30:31] <tehrainz> what CAD package is being used to generate these 'eagle' files ? id like to know [2015-04-19 Sun 17:30:56] <DocScrutinizer05> surprise surprise, it's .... eagle-professional ------ and eagle is an EDA software, not generic CAD software
<Openbot>
tehrainz he answers that kind of questions daily its like re pe pe pe pet
<tehrainz>
are you actually trolling your own channel?
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry, no time for that sort of useless discussion
<DocScrutinizer05>
also note that for *all* of the real _questions_ asked above the answeres could be found on neo900.org website
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<Kabouik_>
Hi Openbot
<arossdotme>
DocScrutinizer05, so whats is the 1gb ram situation at the moment?
<DocScrutinizer05>
arossdotme: 70 chips on shelf, about to secure another 500. Chips verified on BB-xM (which also serve as proto-v2 'brain cards')
<arossdotme>
anti it only for those who have already pre ordered cus is was expensive to order a lot more?
<arossdotme>
oow another 500 yum yums :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry? please rephrase
<arossdotme>
brain cards... now where did i hear that before ;)
<DocScrutinizer05>
no idea
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-)
<arossdotme>
anti=ant
<arossdotme>
grep arossdotme brain card
<arossdotme>
hehe
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<DocScrutinizer05>
(expensive) I'm going to 'pre-finance' the 500 from our existing funds, thus sort of abusing them since they are already allocated to R&D
<arossdotme>
ouch
<arossdotme>
the thx
<arossdotme>
but
<arossdotme>
thx
<DocScrutinizer05>
however see webshop and fundraiser-campaign2
<arossdotme>
oh
<DocScrutinizer05>
we need additional funds to buy such "risk parts" now, something that wasn't in the original plans which were "buy everything in 4 weeks after everybody ordered and paid his device"
<DocScrutinizer05>
I also semi-secured a 500 N900 for those who want complete device (not only mainboard to upgrade their own N900)
<DocScrutinizer05>
again see webshop and fundraiser-campaign2
<DocScrutinizer05>
right this minute we're working on creating voucher codes for previous payments which we then send out per email to all our donors, so they can redeem/reclaim their previous payments when ordering either Neo900-complete-device_DOWNPAYMENT:450.- or NeoN-board-for-N900-DIY-upgrade_DOWNPAYMENT:300.-
<DocScrutinizer05>
we won't be able to get the needed parts for customers who don't preorder and pay the downpayment ~now
<DocScrutinizer05>
we *hope* we can source more components and N900 for late orders later on, but there's no warranty this will pan out
<DocScrutinizer05>
arossdotme: ok?
<arossdotme>
DocScrutinizer05, yea, been reading the forums
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-D
<arossdotme>
hmm, lacking funds right now for a downpayment.. arr well at least i have my gta04 :). well maybe i might be a late order ~ , if i order . got to get around to setting up my kernel compile env for my gta04 first :)
<arossdotme>
thx for the update
<DocScrutinizer05>
there are at least 4 weeks, possibly even 8 and no hard deadline, for down payments
<DocScrutinizer05>
as usual, we need to cope with statistical values, and anticipate what will happen. I.E. we will order more N900 than got ordered by customers at time X since we anticipate nn% late orders
<DocScrutinizer05>
originally this project been targeted at 200 devices, now we're at 400+, and we expect a 1000 more prospects when final ordering opens and we have a working final prototype to show off. The question is for how many of those late orders we already can secure risk parts that are hard or impossible to get later on. E.G. RAM chips, N900 etc
<MisterBubbles>
I wish I had the cash for a neo900 down payment, it is a shame that the CAD is so low right now.
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, that's a problem for us as well, since our complete resources are based on USD and this the effective €-price currently is 30% higher for us than expected and used for price calculations :-(
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/this/thus/
<MisterBubbles>
I am hoping things normalize and I can push some funds your way, but until that point it is so cost prohibitive for me to even try.
<DocScrutinizer05>
for US citizens nothing changed ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
o/ busy
<DocScrutinizer05>
dinner and other social obligations
<MisterBubbles>
Fun!
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<arossdotme>
thx
<arossdotme>
i do like all these incites, they broaden my view :)
<arossdotme>
idk if incites is the correct spelling of the word i mean
<Openbot>
norway to seitch off fm radio
<Openbot>
what the heck easy woldwide comptiable tech going away
<Openbot>
fuck digital
<MisterBubbles>
Computers suck!
<Openbot>
incompatible radios !!
<Openbot>
kill me i dont want to know more
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<egotrippin>
hi
<Openbot>
need to support 4 bands needed for woldwide coverage
<egotrippin>
bye
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<Openbot>
oye egotrippin
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<egotrippin>
what tech do satellite phones use>
<Openbot>
egotrippin fuck knows it reading up dab now
<egotrippin>
dab?
<Openbot>
digital radio
<DocScrutinizer05>
some SAT RAT are almost identical to GSM
<DocScrutinizer05>
thuraya iirc
<egotrippin>
so... i could use the neo900 as a sat phone.?
<DocScrutinizer05>
alas no
<egotrippin>
why not? power?
<DocScrutinizer05>
except as master device in a SAT sleeve like used by motorola iridium
<Openbot>
my god i feel like shoving the cold end of a red hot iron rod on sombodys ass
<egotrippin>
or freq? or smething in between?
<DocScrutinizer05>
*almost* identical means it's still using different band etc
<DocScrutinizer05>
so yes, different frequency
<egotrippin>
openbot are you an autoerotica pleasure bot?
<egotrippin>
also does that mean ud be holding onto the eed hot end...?
<egotrippin>
*red
<Openbot>
egotrippin na you dont get the intensity of it i want to shove the red hot end so that the reciving party cannot put it out :p
<egotrippin>
is there any way to hack the hw design to support addional non standard freqs?
<Openbot>
in brief indian intelligence is unable to intercept them
<DocScrutinizer05>
like they are unable to decode pgp-encryped mail
<Openbot>
lol
<DocScrutinizer05>
but hey, governments never act reasonable
<Openbot>
but restricting use for that
<freemangordon>
DocScrutinizer05: re PoP chip - do you expect me to do anything else?
<Openbot>
i agree
<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon: would be great when we could get a device boot linux by xloader-uBoot in nand
<Openbot>
we ae goverment i.e democracy
<Openbot>
its hypocracy
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry, afk again
<freemangordon>
DocScrutinizer05: it would be great, but do we nned that for decision-making on buying those chips. i.e. - what is the deadline for that "booting linux"
<DocScrutinizer05>
no
<DocScrutinizer05>
decision made
<freemangordon>
ok
<freemangordon>
so I'll swith to facebook sharing plugin temporarily :)
<freemangordon>
*switch
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe *one* thing: actually write and verify-checksum-read a file of >256MB to NAND
<DocScrutinizer05>
for now it *could* just mirror the first 256MB
<freemangordon>
I can't test that, the device I have access to has 1GB broken
<DocScrutinizer05>
hmm, write multiple sections with 100MB defined data, then read them back and checksum them?
<freemangordon>
so can't load such a big file in RAM to write it with u-boot
<freemangordon>
hmm, yeah
<freemangordon>
that's possible
<DocScrutinizer05>
that would be great to kill last doubts
<Openbot>
what you plan to do with fb sharing plugin ? i mean its working fine na fremangordon
<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon: and many many thanks for the awesome work done :-)
<freemangordon>
hmm, wouldn't be the same if I just write 1MB with offset > 256 MB?
<DocScrutinizer05>
sort of, yes
<freemangordon>
Openbot: feedservice2
<freemangordon>
the package is missing from the repos
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<Openbot>
that also works and available
<freemangordon>
DocScrutinizer05: ok, will do something about it
<freemangordon>
Openbot: no, it is not available, it was in ovi store and it is down for a couple of weeks
<DocScrutinizer05>
freemangordon: ta
<DocScrutinizer05>
o/
<freemangordon>
np
<freemangordon>
:)
<Openbot>
i created that thread in sharing plugin
<Openbot>
openbot = nokiabot
<DocScrutinizer05>
and please fill /usr/share/neo900 and /usr/local/bin
<freemangordon>
Openbot == nokiabot?
<freemangordon>
ok
<freemangordon>
DocScrutinizer05: will do
<Openbot>
yeah
<freemangordon>
Openbot: so, you saw all the problem this guy d1... has finding that package
<Openbot>
i saw but its available i ll linl it to first post with clear explanation
<freemangordon>
I can;t ptomote a pcakcge to extras with missing dependencies
<Openbot>
you rather fix the widget
<freemangordon>
I'd rather not do it ;)
<Openbot>
oh thats a problem
<freemangordon>
I don;t really find it useful
<Openbot>
neither do i :p
<Openbot>
feed service 2 closed?
<freemangordon>
but, who knows, might do it someday, if I have so much spare time I don;t know what to do with :P
<freemangordon>
yes, it is closed
<Openbot>
oh god then re is nightmare
<freemangordon>
no, it is not that complicated, armed with ARM hexrays :)
<freemangordon>
anyway, /me is afk
<Openbot>
lol but still troublesome as you have more pressing issues to deal with
<Openbot>
wait
<Openbot>
did you see the fcam bug thread
<Openbot>
and for the fb upload can you add tagging and setting privacy too
<Openbot>
then its feature complete
<Openbot>
also what does afk mean
<Openbot>
oh thats why gps not getting lock early today
<Openbot>
ah wrong ch
<Openbot>
cu guys later
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<paulk-collins>
hey do any of you guys have an omap5 TRM around?
<paulk-collins>
the TI website has a dead link
<freemangordon>
paulk-collins: did you google for the document name?