<bencoh>
DocScrutinizer05: did you write 300e including donation for the neon board ?
<bencoh>
Am I missing something,
<bencoh>
?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, that's the target fro furher fundraising aka down payment. It's _not_ the final price. I need to make this more clear. Thanks
<bencoh>
definitely
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
thanks a lot!
<bencoh>
:)
<DocScrutinizer05>
how about >>The target for this preorder DOWNPAYMENT will be around 300EUR [I]total[/I] (incl any "donation" you already did) for the NeoN bare board which will cover ~40% of the final price,<<
<bencoh>
I'd remove the "total"
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, at least take it into the braces
<DocScrutinizer05>
how about >>The target for this preorder DOWNPAYMENT will be around 300EUR ([I]total[/I], incl any "donation" you already did) for the NeoN bare board which will cover ~40% of the final price,<<
<bencoh>
sounds more accurate :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
does it also sound *good*?
<DocScrutinizer05>
as in "positive" and "good news"
<bencoh>
I guess it depends whether people were expecting a fundraise or not ;)
<bencoh>
but yeah, sounds positive overall (as in "we're now ready to buy some stuff to get moving")
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, I hope they _don't_ expect Neo900 UG to come up with a truckload of ready built and ready to sell hardware, without raising any further funds to accomplish that
<DocScrutinizer05>
ok, I think it's ready to fire then
<DocScrutinizer05>
old news also no good news, and this been news of Saturday already
<DocScrutinizer05>
dos1: could we send out this post (in slightly edited form maybe) as a mass mailing to all our customers please?
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<wpwrak>
hmm, you're using "donation". wasn't the new and improved term "loan" ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I used it for the past tense
<DocScrutinizer05>
and in apostrophes
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<DocScrutinizer05>
exactly one time: >> incl any "donation" you already did<<
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, this webshop will implicitly transfer donations -> loans -> regular down payments
<DocScrutinizer05>
which is another huge step to turn the crowdfunded thing into a regular business
<DocScrutinizer05>
with customers' rights augmented during that
<wpwrak>
(past tense) still seems unnecessarily confusing to use the obsolete term here. is there a reason why we would _need_ to use it ? (e.g., tax advisor changed their mind, or such ?)
<DocScrutinizer05>
no, mere reference to what been communicated in the past (and still *is* on the website)
<DocScrutinizer05>
customers *did* donations, not loans, for all they knew
<DocScrutinizer05>
so now referencing to "loans" is more confusing to cistomers than referencing to "donations"
<DocScrutinizer05>
that in fact we transformed all donations into simple loans some time back might even have been missed by a huge fraction of our customers
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway the time they were done, they were labeled donations
<DocScrutinizer05>
and that's what I'm referring to
<DocScrutinizer05>
for the mail we might rephrase it to a neutral wording like "previous payments"
* DocScrutinizer05
frowns at the device count way more than at the sustained use of "Donation"
<DocScrutinizer05>
we're _well_ beyonf 400 now
<wpwrak>
(previous payments) sounds good ! and indeed, now nice to have the old term there
<bencoh>
400 devices or 400 donations ?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
bencoh: that's a good question. actually we might have a few donations >=100 that are _meant_ to get merged but were not merged into _one_ device yet. But I expect those to be really low number
<DocScrutinizer05>
then otoh we didn't count any donations <100
<DocScrutinizer05>
so yes, devices. Though there might be small inaccuracies
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<DocScrutinizer05>
ooh, otoh there were donations of €€€€ meant for several devices, so the device count might indeed be even higher than what the spreadsheet says
<bencoh>
but are they still willing to buy a full device ?
<bencoh>
(I mean ... some people donated 1.5y ago)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm sure for every single one who doesn't want to buy anymore, there's one prospect future customer happy to find a device he can purchase even though he never did any down payment before
<bencoh>
true
<DocScrutinizer05>
NB we won't ever have excess stock to sell, we're building to order
<DocScrutinizer05>
the devices will rather get more valuable once they are out in the wild, since demand > supply (the latter only being people who actually wanna sell their own device)
<DocScrutinizer05>
...unless we manage to build a second batch ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
but I consider rather starting project STEP-II already after/during batch1 of Neo900 and rather sell that, offering discount for the Neo900 customers
<DocScrutinizer05>
with a success story for Neo900 batch1 it's rather easy to find funding and suppliers for SET-II
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/SET-II/STEP-II/
<DocScrutinizer05>
slightly larger LCD, *own* mech parts, so no more mission critical dependency on N900 parts...
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<DocScrutinizer05>
(discount) to the degree of trading in the Neo900 for original sales price minus wear&tear
<DocScrutinizer05>
I need to discuss this with advisers for marketing and business plan strategy, and I don't wanna start an Osborne effect here. But STEP-II is a fixed plan for the future, just may take quite a while until it comes to sales
<DocScrutinizer05>
and like with GTA04 we have a "guinea pig" we can exploit: Pyra ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
you could even call the STEP-II "the pocket-pyra with security and phone enhancements"
<DocScrutinizer05>
afk
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<FIQ>
phone enchantments in what sense?
<FIQ>
pyra is going to ship with a (user-chooseable) 4g module
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<jake42>
DocScrutinizer05: wouldn't it be sensible to also do a memtest with the 1GB chip?
<DocScrutinizer51>
FIQ: modem != phone
<bencoh>
pyra looks quite promising ... dunno when they're gonna release it
<FIQ>
DocScrutinizer05, fair enough
<DocScrutinizer51>
the pyra clearly is a console
<FIQ>
no it's not
<DocScrutinizer51>
it doesn't even have a vibrator or an earpiece
<FIQ>
it does have vibration
<DocScrutinizer51>
duh!
<FIQ>
no earpiece is true though
<FIQ>
it has a modem, but was indeed not supposed to be a phone (primarily at least)
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<FIQ>
something I guess <DocScrutinizer05> you could even call the STEP-II "the pocket-pyra with security and phone enhancements"
<FIQ>
would cater to
<FIQ>
so even if it CAN act as a phone
<FIQ>
it would be a bit awkward
<DocScrutinizer51>
exactly
<bencoh>
at least n(eo)900 is smaller :)
<DocScrutinizer51>
afk o/
<FIQ>
but I rest my case in that the pyra is not a console :P
<bencoh>
pyra is quite thick
<FIQ>
it does have gaming controls, and capabilities explicitly designed with gaming in mind
<FIQ>
but it'd also be a fully functional arm desktop
<FIQ>
like the pandora is :D
<FIQ>
/exec -o uname -a
<FIQ>
Linux fiq-openpandora 3.2.67 #1063 Sat Feb 21 00:22:43 EET 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
<FIQ>
even
<bencoh>
:)
<kerio>
DocScrutinizer05: new macbook hype
<kerio>
literally 6 batteries
<bencoh>
?
<FIQ>
1 usb type-c
<FIQ>
useless
<FIQ>
but macs were always useless ;)
* FIQ
hides
<bencoh>
kerio: errr, you're watching some unholy conference, aren't you ? :p
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<kerio>
DocScrutinizer05: let's use usb type C for the neo900!
<wpwrak>
would be lovely. alas, lacks overlap with possible reality
<kerio>
:(
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<DocScrutinizer05>
type C is soret of vaporware still. Maybe Aplle changing this now, but so far I haven't seen any typeC gear. Also the specs seem sort of weird, and we can't reasonably fir it into the case either
<DocScrutinizer05>
fit*
<DocScrutinizer05>
also what's the use of type-C when we can't support USB3.0?
<DocScrutinizer05>
OMAP3 can't do USB3.0, no matter what
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<DocScrutinizer05>
actually any interface faster than USB2.0 (~48MB/s) is wasted on OMAP3 anyway, since we could neither deliver nor permanently store data at any higher rate than that. Only faintly reasonable usecase was playback of video media at high bandwidth, but then that's also nonsesnical since the omap3 cannot render&display videos at such quality demanding for a high bandwidth like that
<kerio>
DocScrutinizer05: new macbook
<kerio>
it has a headphone port
<kerio>
and a usb C port
<kerio>
literally nothing else
<DocScrutinizer05>
*shrug*
<DocScrutinizer05>
all the more a reason to do it differently, no?
<Pali>
go away with some shits
<Pali>
business notebook *needs* docking connector
<DocScrutinizer05>
indeed
<Pali>
also VGA port on notebook (for projections)
<DocScrutinizer05>
or at least DVI/HDMI/whatever
<Pali>
RJ45 LAN connector
<Pali>
and at least 2 normal usb ports
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep
<kerio>
well
<kerio>
the macbook pro has all of those
<kerio>
except no vga
<kerio>
and no docking
<kerio>
so it has some of those
<DocScrutinizer05>
and for a phone that's meant to serve as pocket workstation as well, I'd raher add 4 USB2.0 than go for one USB3.0 type-c
<kerio>
can we get stainless steel domes for the keyboard?
<kerio>
:>
<DocScrutinizer05>
we jave. Internally
<kerio>
40% less wobble in the key!
<DocScrutinizer05>
have*
<DocScrutinizer05>
but my trolling detector triggers, so I'm off
<kerio>
1300 currencies for a consumer laptop is a travesty, tho
<dos1>
DocScrutinizer05: (newsletter) okay
<DocScrutinizer05>
dos1: hey! HI! great! :-)
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