<DocScrutinizer05>
this time with correctly calibrated probes ;-)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
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<DocScrutinizer05>
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<merlin1991>
oh it's yet another debian fork
<bencoh>
without systemd
<DocScrutinizer05>
merlin1991: I highly recommend it to you, to check and follow it. You might even be interested in contributing
<kerio>
"yet another"
<DocScrutinizer05>
recently they're packaging
<kerio>
nobody ever forked debian for the purpose of replacing debian
<kerio>
they made debian-based distros
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, this is different
<DocScrutinizer05>
for maemo you'll sooner or later have to switch from debian to devuan for the "parent repo"
<DocScrutinizer05>
many packages on Debian soon will introduce systemd-* dependencies that maemo can't satisfy, so porting from Debian to maemo gets a nightmare and basically just duplictes work done in Devuan anyway
<merlin1991>
tbh on my neo900 I'm not going to run maemo
<merlin1991>
the base libs are too ancient for my taste
<merlin1991>
and I've started to like rpm packaging :D
<kerio>
dude
<kerio>
the /sbin/preinit shit has to be still there
<kerio>
so that bootmenu can be installed
<kerio>
how mental is that
<merlin1991>
I'll probably set up my own minimal system + whatever we get in hardware adaption, and will see where I get from there
<merlin1991>
if it works out I might set up an obs instance open to everyone who wants to join my madness
<kerio>
giff cam
<kerio>
Kappa
<merlin1991>
most probably this is not going to have a desktop ui for the first year :D
<kerio>
hildon is not a desktop ui
<merlin1991>
desktop as in software component, not "desktop system that works with a large monitor and mouse"
<merlin1991>
but even though I like obs a lot the official docs are still empty about adding a new target with your own toolchain and libc
<merlin1991>
they only have the "insert suse url" and start building on that option documented :/
<DocScrutinizer05>
ask Pali about e.g. lsusb which doesn't work anymore on non-systemd systems
<DocScrutinizer05>
there will be truckloads more soon
<kerio>
no no i meant why wouldn't systemd work on neo900
<Pali>
lsusb depends on new udev
<Pali>
and new udev is part of systems
<Pali>
*systemd
<Pali>
this is truth!
<merlin1991>
tbh I prefer mdev over udev
<DocScrutinizer05>
kerio: it might "work" - for whatever meaning you associate to that word
<Pali>
and once there will be program which depends on new version of lsusb, then you have hidden transitive dependency
<Pali>
and old lsusb has bug which cause infinite loop
<kerio>
DocScrutinizer05: runs
<Pali>
bug was fixed in systemd-udevd...
<Pali>
merlin1991: then you could say: bye bye lsusb
<DocScrutinizer05>
merlin1991: ((mdev)) forget it. AFAIK systemd depends on own udev implementation and other packages depend on lots of systemd-* crap. you can't use mdev on such system
<DocScrutinizer05>
go for Devuan if you want to do that
<kerio>
mh
<kerio>
ok actually
<kerio>
can we use openbsd as the BSP
<kerio>
for mad bragging rights
<kerio>
we have "reasonably open" specs for everything
<DocScrutinizer05>
the BSP is rather "agnostic" about the system. A BSP is only a number of device drivers basically
<kerio>
i thought it had to be a somewhat bootable system with maybe some tiny tools to test the hardware
<DocScrutinizer05>
you're supposed to be able to adapt the API to the system you want to use those drivers in
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, exactly
<kerio>
yeah but
<kerio>
idk how the openbsd kernel actually works
<kerio>
mh
<DocScrutinizer05>
actually a BSP device driver might not even be fit to get used in productive systems at all
<DocScrutinizer05>
it only demonstrates how to talk to the peripheral/subsystem on hw level. Ignoring any ill effects this might have on "API" side in a real system
<kerio>
fair enough
<kerio>
still
<kerio>
openbsd is leete
<DocScrutinizer05>
for example a BSP might not even come with multitasking
<DocScrutinizer05>
though for any practical reasons we will use a standard linux and prolly 99% of device drivers already exist
<kerio>
DocScrutinizer05: but openbsd had only two remote holes in the default install in a heck of a long time!
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's so *completely* irrelevant for a BSP
<kerio>
let's port fremantle to bsd!
<kerio>
ez
<DocScrutinizer05>
actuallly a _good: BSP would provide drivers ready for linux, android, bsd, dunnowhatelse younameit
<kerio>
i think the openbsd guys would complain about the closedness of "drivers"
<DocScrutinizer05>
for pvr we might want to exploit the maemo blob, which we won't ship but provide a testbed that demonstrates how to install and implement the blob
<DocScrutinizer05>
and he explicitly mentions TI and BeagleBoard as good examples how to do it right. You're aware that we use a BB even to emulate the CPU on proto_V2?
<merlin1991>
damn look like lima is dead
<merlin1991>
otherwise I could have said olimex boards are 10 times better than the rpi
<DocScrutinizer05>
on a sidenote, if anybody missed the german gibberish I posted this morning: Mouser tells me that next 8 weeks they _might_ finally get the BB I ordered
<wpwrak>
hmm. unwelcome news. yesterday the dying of freescale, now gitorious, ...
<x29a>
why is gitorious dead now?
<wpwrak>
got eaten by gitlab
<kerio>
omnomnom
<kerio>
LITERALLY ONLY GITHUB EVER
<wpwrak>
yeah, i guess that'll be where i'll move my stuff
<x29a>
i dont understand why something is dead when it is acquired
<x29a>
i did read the news
<x29a>
is it "dead for you" because of possible new license?
<wpwrak>
x29a: it's explain in the news, so if you read it, you'll know :)
<x29a>
ok, the other way around, why is gitlab not an option for you?
<Sicelo>
x29a: articles suggests that things will becomes non-free... that's what i get
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<wpwrak>
Sicelo: yup, there's a hint of that in there
<wpwrak>
x29a: and one more reason: i already know github so if i'm forced to move, it'll be easier to go there than to gitlab
<x29a>
i am running my own copy of gitlab, free
<x29a>
lets just see where this develops to
<kerio>
mh, no free CI
<x29a>
CI, le jenkins
<kerio>
yeah but
<kerio>
travis
<kerio>
they build ur shit for free
<drathir>
guys there is any guessing about neo900 power comsumption?
<drathir>
should be better or similar to n900 draining?
<FIQ>
RIP gitorious
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<Oksana>
drathir: Depends on circumstances. Currently, I'm maintaining that my cracked LCD screen does not improve power consumption. But given that it was not terrific before that, it may be either huge number of photographs for the tracker, huge number of programs installed, or "water damage" from living near sand and sea...
<SylvieLorxu>
Gitlab has a Free and proprietary edition
<SylvieLorxu>
They're hosting the proprietary edition themselves
<SylvieLorxu>
So, yeah
<DocScrutinizer05>
drathir: should be better, marginally. Maybe. Well, basically it should be identical, for all practical purposes
<bencoh>
:D
<DocScrutinizer05>
it has faster CPU which would count for "better". But then it has more RAM which eats more power. Of course unless you go into swapping which eats LOTS of power on N900... I dunno
* Oksana
is not swapping...
<drathir>
Oksana: im not any pro but what i think the lcd wat at 3rd place in n900 first gsm second wifi and after that lcd, but that only from my feeling... ofc gps off...
<Oksana>
WiFi usually off. Using 2G, not 3G.
<Oksana>
GPS really off, most of the time.
* drathir
personally mostly wifi or gprs enabled bc of xmpp+ssh used heavy...
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