<Oksana>
Ok, so the one last domesheet from Gerry is likely going to arrive next week? | Ah, so until it is resolved, it is better to neither own nor visit-support the *.io domains, so that *.io domains would not bring profits to the wrong party.
* Oksana
yawns
* Oksana
yawns. It's too quiet. Everywhere. I wish I knew how to send waves without overturning the boat.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
[Notice] -NickServ- Information on GeneralAntilles (account GeneralAntilles): [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Nov 06 05:13:34 2014 (10w 1d 17h ago)
<DocScrutinizer05>
~seen GeneralAntilles
<infobot>
generalantilles <~ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 97d 5h 57m 4s ago, saying: 'OK, thanks. :)'.
<DocScrutinizer05>
>>I think there's a formal procedure contacting freenode staff in cases like this, to get privilidges to active people when the holders have gone passive.<< no, there actually isn't. GC is supposed to get appointed by owner of the name, which still is Nokia aiui
<DocScrutinizer05>
freenode will not grant GC to us
<Oksana>
Owner of the name is still Nokia? /falling down/ Or is it Microsoft, by now?...
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<DocScrutinizer05>
unless Hildon foundation aka e.V (whatever the name) meanwhile received a signed contract transferring ownership of the name "maemo" to them, of course it's still Nokia/M$ to own the name and [TM] and entitlement for GC appointment on freenode
<DocScrutinizer05>
once they got such contract, the current GC can try to transfer the ownership to the HiFo/e.V
<sveta>
i fear current gc can appoint any alt gc he likes, he does not need to prove he owns name "again"
<DocScrutinizer05>
for such purpose aiui GC needs to send in a statement that ownership of trademark got transferred and thus the rights to the freenode single-# name should also get transferred and back up this by the contract between HiFo and Nokia
<sveta>
if he/she is around it should be fairly straightforward, otherwise it has to be whoever actually /runs/ the project right now (doesn't have to be same person as who owns name)
<sveta>
i don't think the gc stuff is related to legal to that extent; only to who actually leads the project right now
<sveta>
is current gc around or responsive by email ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
current GC is still x-fade
<DocScrutinizer05>
afaik
<DocScrutinizer05>
appointed by Nokia
<sveta>
if he respond to email, you can add new alt gc just by asking, without (tm) stuff
<sveta>
s/you/he/
<DocScrutinizer05>
I been there a 2 times already, talked to several freenode staffers about it and explained to 2 or 3 council crews
<DocScrutinizer05>
sveta: which we did for genneralantilles
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<Oksana>
So, if we manage to contact GeneralAntilles, we can add new alt gc just by asking, without (tm) stuff?
<DocScrutinizer05>
it been pretty complicated to regain an orphaned channel (openmoko-cdevel) back when, even while we had a valid GC for #openmoko namespace. It's almost impossible to hijack a namespace that's correctly assigned to a GC
<DocScrutinizer05>
Oksana: yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
actully no
<kerio>
what does the c in openmoko-cdevel stand for?
<DocScrutinizer05>
community
<DocScrutinizer05>
there been a closed channel #openmoko-devel
<DocScrutinizer05>
and it still exists X-P
<DocScrutinizer05>
and there are stlll 2 zombies in there
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<DocScrutinizer05>
actually 4 meanwhile
<DocScrutinizer05>
and it seems they removed the chan password eventually
<sveta>
i think, if GeneralAntilles is a gc, what Oksana said is correct
<sveta>
(primary gc)
<DocScrutinizer05>
GA isnt GC, afaik x-fade just set him +F on a few access lists
<DocScrutinizer05>
x-fade isn't a fool, he wouldn't try to make GA a GC, without order from Nokia
<DocScrutinizer05>
I suggested to ask x-fade to grant sub-GC to GenAnt
<sveta>
he can if he likes, he needs to only care of who can run irc channels ok, he does not need to care of legalstuff
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's outright incorrect
<sveta>
i disagree
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<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe freenode staff doesn't care. Nokia however might
<sveta>
probably, but i don't think it'd make a big fuss out of it
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's your take on it
<sveta>
true :)
<Oksana>
Ok, so we need to contact x-fade, if we want to get a sub-GC? GeneralAntilles can already grant cloaks if we can reach him?
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway x-fade *may* apppoint sub-GCs who may everything except disown/hijack the complete namespace
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, I doubt the cloak detail
<sveta>
"Ok, so we need to contact x-fade, if we want to get a sub-GC? " yes
<sveta>
"GeneralAntilles can already grant cloaks if we can reach him?" only if he is alt gc right now
<DocScrutinizer05>
which I dobt
<Oksana>
^ ?
<sveta>
i too
<DocScrutinizer05>
doubt*
<sveta>
from discussion above i understood he is not alt gc yet, but odds are he is and it was just undercommunicated
<DocScrutinizer05>
possible
<sveta>
so i would contact them both asking whether x-fade is ok with him as alt-gc and whether he himself is ok with being alt gc
<DocScrutinizer05>
everything pointless before HiFo owns the trademark/namespace
<DocScrutinizer05>
and actually cloaks are overrated
<sveta>
ok, good luck waiting for the legalstuff & paperwork :)
<sveta>
i have no idea about context behind this, i just saw a gc discussion and thought i would share some
<DocScrutinizer05>
we got sufficient administrative power on all #maemo*
<DocScrutinizer05>
we got a lack of power for reassigning cloaks
<sveta>
you can administer yourself now as well, right? ;) just for the sake of administering all the things
<DocScrutinizer05>
but honestly, who cares?
<sveta>
hehe
<DocScrutinizer05>
when people don't know you on IRC, no friggin cloak will change much
<DocScrutinizer05>
I gave you +o on #maemo-meeting
<DocScrutinizer05>
what else do you need?
<DocScrutinizer05>
what happened to Oksana?
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<DocScrutinizer05>
nm
<Oksana>
I am here. Sorry, was not paying attention to IRC for the last 22 minutes.