<Oksana>
Well, we should ask engadget to compare the two when the device gets released ;-) Could be interesting.
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, engadget is not the dream team for doing such tests
<Oksana>
Ok, an audiophile team compares Neo900 against whatever they like. Another team compares another aspect, and so on? I have no knowledge about who is best independent expert for such tests.
<DocScrutinizer05>
the engadget guy tested the Sony with BLUETOOTH headphones - unless there's a way to pair a wired headphone to a device that I haven't heard about yet
<DocScrutinizer05>
nevermind, I prolly misunderstood the term "paired"
<x29a>
is the neo900 expected to be shipped when the sony walkman is released? if not, there is little sense in comparing the two
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<bencoh>
what's the point in testing audio quality of a phone with a bluetooth device oO
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<GMsoft>
so, when can we expect the ne900 to be released ?
<phre4k>
GMsoft: view the roadmap on the neo900.org page
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<vakkov>
what emmc chip is going to be used in neo900
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<GMsoft>
well I see the roadmap but I don't see dates :)
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<GMsoft>
phre4k: unfortunately, the roadmap doesn't include dates, or I'm looking at the wrong one
<phre4k>
GMsoft: maybe that's because there aren't deadlines and they don't have dates yet. If you ask DocScrutinizer05 he might tell you what the current state is.
<phre4k>
(I'm no dev)
<GMsoft>
ok :)
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<Openbot>
Docscrutinizer05 what is that 14 mhz general purpose radio you mentioned ?
<Openbot>
Nfc ?
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<Openbot>
Can anybody kindly /query me need a bit of assistance on irc
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<Openbot>
Actually irc mess :p
<Openbot>
All fault of too helpful irc staff
<kerio>
wut
<Openbot>
They told me all and i borked it all . Now i cannot log in anymore :(
<DocScrutinizer05>
vakkov: we'll decide last moment on eMMC since those chips get faster and cheaper every week
<DocScrutinizer05>
Openbot: yes, NF_C
<DocScrutinizer05>
NFC even
<DocScrutinizer05>
x29a: I didn't suggest to compare the two
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<vakkov>
i am looking for a 64 gb one that is pin compatible with the one in n900. H26M78002ANR (this is in 64gb n9). KLMCG8GE4A <--- ths is a 64gb version. the 16 gb one is used in n950
<DocScrutinizer05>
bencoh: sorry?
<DocScrutinizer05>
bencoh: we also have wired audio, you know?
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<bencoh>
DocScrutinizer05: I think you misunderstood me :)
<bencoh>
I was ranting about 05:31 <+DocScrutinizer05> the engadget guy tested the Sony with BLUETOOTH headphones
<DocScrutinizer05>
I might be mistaken on that, not sure
<DocScrutinizer05>
and the sony is no phone. It's a audophile "mp3" player
<DocScrutinizer05>
hi-res audio, doing a 96kHz/24bit
<DocScrutinizer05>
we can do that too
<GMsoft>
the dac does that too ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<GMsoft>
nice
<DocScrutinizer05>
the complete maemo audio is APE centric and basically fixed at 48kHz, but the hardware can do way better
<DocScrutinizer05>
"stop pulseaudio", start hires audio player app using ALSA directly, profit
<DocScrutinizer05>
vakkov: eMMC footprint is sort of standardized
<DocScrutinizer05>
so yeah, we most likely will get at least 64GB eMMC
<DocScrutinizer05>
though those still come at a price
<vakkov>
i think the max for this count of balls is 64 gb. do you have an idea where can i buy a TPS65950 from (except for farnell and digikey)
<DocScrutinizer05>
additional 32GB will make the device some dozen bucks more expensive
<vakkov>
mhm, a 64 gb emmc from those is ~18 usd
<vakkov>
in a small quantity though
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry, nope
<DocScrutinizer05>
(65950)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I only know of DK, Farnell, Mouser etc
<vakkov>
dk, farnell and mouser don't sell eMMCs, do they?
<bencoh>
DocScrutinizer05: how many dozens ?
<bencoh>
because honestly, 750 vs 700 doesnt make that much a difference for eMMCx2 I think :]
<bencoh>
(those are random figures)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
bencoh: right ballpark
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<DocScrutinizer05>
and same rationale
<DocScrutinizer05>
the chips get cheaper and faster with time, so we wait until last possible moment to decide what we gonna use
<DocScrutinizer05>
they mostly are pin compatible
<sixwheeledbeast>
Was there talk of using another uSD?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, and my take on it was: uSD has only 4bit bus and thus offers poor bandwidth compared to 8bit eMMC
<DocScrutinizer05>
we have one uSD socket, we don't need two of them
<DocScrutinizer05>
even worse: OMAP3 storage controller cannot do the UHC high clockrate high bandwidth uSD modes
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<DocScrutinizer05>
http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/index.html we probably should use copper recycled from old church bells' brass for the PCB copper traces, to guarantee a clear bell-like sound blessed by God ;-)
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<kerio>
i like how all these builds never end with a blind comparison test
<DocScrutinizer05>
close enough, electrically (didn't check footprint)
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<vakkov>
should be the same electrically
<vakkov>
i'm not sure about the size
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<drathir>
DocScrutinizer05: n900 dont also using agps ?
<drathir>
still broken nokia suspl server?
<DocScrutinizer05>
drathir: N900 can use AGPS when the SUPL servers work. AFAIK the supl.nokia.com does work, but it needs a fix to certificates on N900
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<DocScrutinizer05>
no idea what's current state of supl.google.com
<drathir>
thanks a lot...
<Oksana>
Moin. Estimated time till shipping: 7 months. Are you sure?
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway my N900 using RRLP (the network based "supl")
<DocScrutinizer05>
Oksana: what's unclear about "estimated"
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure about what? About the fact that we estimated it?
<Oksana>
Alright, just long-ish. But it is better to give long-ish estimate and release earlier, than to give short-ish estimate and be late.
<bencoh>
supl.google.com worked 5 months ago
<bencoh>
I doubt it changed since then
<sixwheeledbeast>
i have never had the google server work for me
<bencoh>
strange
<bencoh>
less then a minute for an indoor cold fix, that cant be done without a supl
<bencoh>
so it definitely works
<DocScrutinizer05>
it *can* be done. I get <5s TTFF indoors, with RRLP
<bencoh>
hm right, I forgot to mention I know I dont have rrlp ;)
<bencoh>
and I said cold fix :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
ok
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes. TTFF (cold)
<bencoh>
accuracy: 42m ... not bad for indoor use in paris
<DocScrutinizer05>
(unless some sneaky stuff activates my GPS without me even noticing)
<Oksana>
RRLP: is it E-OTD?
<bencoh>
2km/h ground speed while it's sitting on my bed is strange though :]
<DocScrutinizer05>
either that, or U-TDOA
<DocScrutinizer05>
that's pretty normal. Speed and altitude is not very accurate in GPS
<DocScrutinizer05>
speed is true Doppler ves a SV that moves at several 10000km/h
<DocScrutinizer05>
versus*
<bencoh>
hm, yeah
<drathir>
DocScrutinizer05: RRLP need any special configuration patches?
<DocScrutinizer05>
no
<DocScrutinizer05>
it needs support in modem's firmware, in N900
<DocScrutinizer05>
which I guess it has
<DocScrutinizer05>
from APE/user POV it's invisible
<bencoh>
either my provider is shit, or it doesnt .... but considering the (absence of) time accuracy from my provider .... I'd say the former :]
<drathir>
bencoh: bb9900 even not really close the window sometimes catch the signal...
<drathir>
need to check w/o sim...
<DocScrutinizer05>
you just can tell that your GPS in modem receives RRLP support, when your TTFF skyrockets when you unregister with network (remove SIM)
<bencoh>
DocScrutinizer05: I can tell it doesnt just by watching it wait "forever" to get a fix when I disable supl ;)
<DocScrutinizer05>
:nod:
<drathir>
bencoh: now all know You have water bead...
<bencoh>
drathir: haha
<drathir>
the phone sailing...
<bencoh>
no sailing please, it's not a jolla :>
<drathir>
joke ofc no offence...
<bencoh>
I've never tried a water bed, I guess I should at least once
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway, bbl
<DocScrutinizer05>
time for some RL "fun"
<DocScrutinizer05>
nah, just test current TTFF - "cold"
* drathir
wishes DocScrutinizer05 good fun...
<DocScrutinizer05>
BANG! <4s 6/7 sats in use
<DocScrutinizer05>
Accuracy 36 .. 99m
<DocScrutinizer51>
now o/ bbl
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<Oksana>
supl is disabled. Cellular is on, and even 3G. Taking forever to get a fix...
<DocScrutinizer05>
Oksana: ((RRLP: is it E-OTD)) For your local GPS it must be RRLP GPS MT-local, backup-supported by E-OTD
<DocScrutinizer05>
otherwise RRLP wouldn't send "supl" data to device
<Oksana>
But why does it take forever? They know I have GPS, so they don't bother with E-OTD?
<DocScrutinizer05>
for maximum speed and accuracy though they prolly rather use U-TDOA
<DocScrutinizer05>
Oksana: I'd guess for your country providing any RRLP is neither mandatory (by law) nor particularly useful for users
<DocScrutinizer05>
maybe they do it in large cities
<DocScrutinizer05>
in the outback U-TDOA and E-OTD cannot work
<DocScrutinizer05>
you need minimum of 3 BTS in vicinity for either of both to work
<DocScrutinizer05>
so prolly when they do anything, they do RRLP based on GPS, and it's questionable if they want to bother doing that
<DocScrutinizer05>
also make sure your local system time and TZ is correct
<DocScrutinizer05>
otherwise GPS is known to fail miserably