DocScrutinizer05 changed the topic of #neo900 to: http://neo900.org | conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23neo900/ and http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900
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<freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: (opt mounting failed) - the problem was something else, but I can;t remember it right now
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<DocScrutinizer05> ok
<DocScrutinizer05> I just hope it wasn't related to systemd ;-P
<freemangordon> on maemo? hehe :)
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<DocScrutinizer05> hmm http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/06/sonys-walkman-zx2-hands-on/ , Neo900 should be able to compete with the audio quality of this critter. At least that's one of our design goals
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<Oksana> Well, we should ask engadget to compare the two when the device gets released ;-) Could be interesting.
<DocScrutinizer05> well, engadget is not the dream team for doing such tests
<Oksana> Ok, an audiophile team compares Neo900 against whatever they like. Another team compares another aspect, and so on? I have no knowledge about who is best independent expert for such tests.
<DocScrutinizer05> the engadget guy tested the Sony with BLUETOOTH headphones - unless there's a way to pair a wired headphone to a device that I haven't heard about yet
<DocScrutinizer05> nevermind, I prolly misunderstood the term "paired"
<x29a> is the neo900 expected to be shipped when the sony walkman is released? if not, there is little sense in comparing the two
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<bencoh> what's the point in testing audio quality of a phone with a bluetooth device oO
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<GMsoft> so, when can we expect the ne900 to be released ?
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<phre4k> GMsoft: view the roadmap on the neo900.org page
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<vakkov> what emmc chip is going to be used in neo900
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<GMsoft> well I see the roadmap but I don't see dates :)
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<GMsoft> phre4k: unfortunately, the roadmap doesn't include dates, or I'm looking at the wrong one
<phre4k> GMsoft: maybe that's because there aren't deadlines and they don't have dates yet. If you ask DocScrutinizer05 he might tell you what the current state is.
<phre4k> (I'm no dev)
<GMsoft> ok :)
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<Openbot> Docscrutinizer05 what is that 14 mhz general purpose radio you mentioned ?
<Openbot> Nfc ?
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<Openbot> Can anybody kindly /query me need a bit of assistance on irc
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<Openbot> Actually irc mess :p
<Openbot> All fault of too helpful irc staff
<kerio> wut
<Openbot> They told me all and i borked it all . Now i cannot log in anymore :(
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<Openbot> Keiro no piss of pls :(
<DocScrutinizer05> GMsoft: http://neo900.org/faq#buy
<DocScrutinizer05> vakkov: we'll decide last moment on eMMC since those chips get faster and cheaper every week
<DocScrutinizer05> Openbot: yes, NF_C
<DocScrutinizer05> NFC even
<DocScrutinizer05> x29a: I didn't suggest to compare the two
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<vakkov> i am looking for a 64 gb one that is pin compatible with the one in n900. H26M78002ANR (this is in 64gb n9). KLMCG8GE4A <--- ths is a 64gb version. the 16 gb one is used in n950
<DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: sorry?
<DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: we also have wired audio, you know?
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<bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: I think you misunderstood me :)
<bencoh> I was ranting about 05:31 <+DocScrutinizer05> the engadget guy tested the Sony with BLUETOOTH headphones
<DocScrutinizer05> I might be mistaken on that, not sure
<DocScrutinizer05> and the sony is no phone. It's a audophile "mp3" player
<DocScrutinizer05> hi-res audio, doing a 96kHz/24bit
<DocScrutinizer05> we can do that too
<GMsoft> the dac does that too ?
<DocScrutinizer05> yes
<GMsoft> nice
<DocScrutinizer05> the complete maemo audio is APE centric and basically fixed at 48kHz, but the hardware can do way better
<DocScrutinizer05> "stop pulseaudio", start hires audio player app using ALSA directly, profit
<DocScrutinizer05> vakkov: eMMC footprint is sort of standardized
<DocScrutinizer05> so yeah, we most likely will get at least 64GB eMMC
<DocScrutinizer05> though those still come at a price
<vakkov> i think the max for this count of balls is 64 gb. do you have an idea where can i buy a TPS65950 from (except for farnell and digikey)
<DocScrutinizer05> additional 32GB will make the device some dozen bucks more expensive
<vakkov> mhm, a 64 gb emmc from those is ~18 usd
<vakkov> in a small quantity though
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry, nope
<DocScrutinizer05> (65950)
<DocScrutinizer05> I only know of DK, Farnell, Mouser etc
<vakkov> dk, farnell and mouser don't sell eMMCs, do they?
<bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: how many dozens ?
<bencoh> because honestly, 750 vs 700 doesnt make that much a difference for eMMCx2 I think :]
<bencoh> (those are random figures)
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<DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: right ballpark
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<DocScrutinizer05> and same rationale
<DocScrutinizer05> the chips get cheaper and faster with time, so we wait until last possible moment to decide what we gonna use
<DocScrutinizer05> they mostly are pin compatible
<sixwheeledbeast> Was there talk of using another uSD?
<DocScrutinizer05> yes, and my take on it was: uSD has only 4bit bus and thus offers poor bandwidth compared to 8bit eMMC
<DocScrutinizer05> we have one uSD socket, we don't need two of them
<DocScrutinizer05> even worse: OMAP3 storage controller cannot do the UHC high clockrate high bandwidth uSD modes
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<DocScrutinizer05> http://studiozey.com/woodencapacitor/index.html we probably should use copper recycled from old church bells' brass for the PCB copper traces, to guarantee a clear bell-like sound blessed by God ;-)
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<kerio> i like how all these builds never end with a blind comparison test
<vakkov> someone please tell me if this (http://uk.farnell.com/laird-technologies/mi1812k121r-10/ferrite-bead-4532-100mhz-120r/dp/2292472) is the same part as L4271 and L4270 from n900
<DocScrutinizer05> close enough, electrically (didn't check footprint)
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<vakkov> should be the same electrically
<vakkov> i'm not sure about the size
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<drathir> DocScrutinizer05: n900 dont also using agps ?
<drathir> still broken nokia suspl server?
<DocScrutinizer05> drathir: N900 can use AGPS when the SUPL servers work. AFAIK the supl.nokia.com does work, but it needs a fix to certificates on N900
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<DocScrutinizer05> no idea what's current state of supl.google.com
<drathir> thanks a lot...
<Oksana> Moin. Estimated time till shipping: 7 months. Are you sure?
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway my N900 using RRLP (the network based "supl")
<DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: what's unclear about "estimated"
<DocScrutinizer05> sure about what? About the fact that we estimated it?
<Oksana> Alright, just long-ish. But it is better to give long-ish estimate and release earlier, than to give short-ish estimate and be late.
<bencoh> supl.google.com worked 5 months ago
<bencoh> I doubt it changed since then
<sixwheeledbeast> i have never had the google server work for me
<bencoh> strange
<bencoh> less then a minute for an indoor cold fix, that cant be done without a supl
<bencoh> so it definitely works
<DocScrutinizer05> it *can* be done. I get <5s TTFF indoors, with RRLP
<bencoh> hm right, I forgot to mention I know I dont have rrlp ;)
<bencoh> and I said cold fix :)
<DocScrutinizer05> ok
<DocScrutinizer05> yes. TTFF (cold)
<bencoh> accuracy: 42m ... not bad for indoor use in paris
<DocScrutinizer05> (unless some sneaky stuff activates my GPS without me even noticing)
<Oksana> RRLP: is it E-OTD?
<bencoh> 2km/h ground speed while it's sitting on my bed is strange though :]
<DocScrutinizer05> either that, or U-TDOA
<DocScrutinizer05> that's pretty normal. Speed and altitude is not very accurate in GPS
<DocScrutinizer05> speed is true Doppler ves a SV that moves at several 10000km/h
<DocScrutinizer05> versus*
<bencoh> hm, yeah
<drathir> DocScrutinizer05: RRLP need any special configuration patches?
<DocScrutinizer05> no
<DocScrutinizer05> it needs support in modem's firmware, in N900
<DocScrutinizer05> which I guess it has
<DocScrutinizer05> from APE/user POV it's invisible
<bencoh> either my provider is shit, or it doesnt .... but considering the (absence of) time accuracy from my provider .... I'd say the former :]
<drathir> bencoh: bb9900 even not really close the window sometimes catch the signal...
<drathir> need to check w/o sim...
<DocScrutinizer05> you just can tell that your GPS in modem receives RRLP support, when your TTFF skyrockets when you unregister with network (remove SIM)
<bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: I can tell it doesnt just by watching it wait "forever" to get a fix when I disable supl ;)
<DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
<drathir> bencoh: now all know You have water bead...
<bencoh> drathir: haha
<drathir> the phone sailing...
<bencoh> no sailing please, it's not a jolla :>
<drathir> joke ofc no offence...
<bencoh> I've never tried a water bed, I guess I should at least once
<DocScrutinizer05> anyway, bbl
<DocScrutinizer05> time for some RL "fun"
<DocScrutinizer05> nah, just test current TTFF - "cold"
* drathir wishes DocScrutinizer05 good fun...
<DocScrutinizer05> BANG! <4s 6/7 sats in use
<DocScrutinizer05> Accuracy 36 .. 99m
<DocScrutinizer51> now o/ bbl
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<Oksana> supl is disabled. Cellular is on, and even 3G. Taking forever to get a fix...
<DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: ((RRLP: is it E-OTD)) For your local GPS it must be RRLP GPS MT-local, backup-supported by E-OTD
<DocScrutinizer05> otherwise RRLP wouldn't send "supl" data to device
<Oksana> But why does it take forever? They know I have GPS, so they don't bother with E-OTD?
<DocScrutinizer05> for maximum speed and accuracy though they prolly rather use U-TDOA
<DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: I'd guess for your country providing any RRLP is neither mandatory (by law) nor particularly useful for users
<DocScrutinizer05> maybe they do it in large cities
<DocScrutinizer05> in the outback U-TDOA and E-OTD cannot work
<DocScrutinizer05> you need minimum of 3 BTS in vicinity for either of both to work
<DocScrutinizer05> so prolly when they do anything, they do RRLP based on GPS, and it's questionable if they want to bother doing that
<DocScrutinizer05> also make sure your local system time and TZ is correct
<DocScrutinizer05> otherwise GPS is known to fail miserably
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<DocScrutinizer05> now for good... o/
<Oksana> Good night
<Oksana> Australia's mobile networks cannot automatically transmit GPS data from a handset to an emergency service call-taker at present. http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/calling-the-emergency-call-service-from-a-mobile-phone--faqs
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<kerio> italy, supl.nokia.com, fix in 7 seconds
<DocScrutinizer05> iirc freemangordon fixed some bug in maemo's certs, so supl.nokia.com started to work again
<DocScrutinizer05> no idea which CSSU deployed that fix (if any)
<DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
<infobot> hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
<DocScrutinizer05> Tmaemo8.3
<DocScrutinizer05> 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3 (27.10.2013)
<DocScrutinizer05> maemo-security-certman Fixed order of Verisign certificates, fixes supl.nokia.com not working.
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