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<ellio> I just said, out-loud, “I would not have letten you forgot it!”
<vil> um
<ellio> I'm amazign at english
<ellio> I AM ALONE IN THE CONDO
<ellio> she just walked out
<ellio> I AM ALREADY SOOOOO BORED
<prophile> looks like the grammar isn't LL(1)
<vil> I miss my college peeps :(
<vil> and just being around people who know what I'm talking about in general
<ellio> prophile: wat
<ellio> vil: wat
<vil> wat
<vil> I'm basically trapped in my house here at home
<ellio> THEN WRITE ME A PAWS
<vil> there's nothing to do, nowhere to go program and drink coffee
<ellio> #elliottssolutiontoeverything
<joelteon> trapt
<vil> lol
<purr> lol
<joelteon> you should get a job
<vil> still working on app
<vil> app is job
<vil> at the moment
<prophile> I'm not sure that grammar's actually unambiguous
<vil> my IT dept. internship fell through
<vil> which is unfortunate
<ellio> prophile: … as I said, it's a moment's work, and largely irrelevant. If there's something you see off the top of your head, I'll fix it, but you don't need to go digging in depth into it …
<vil> and I'd really rather not go back to the grocery store
<ellio> grammar is largely irrelevant to Paws.
<ellio> can, and should, have Paws impls that completely do-not-support cPaws.
<vil> LOOK COLORS http://cl.ly/PecU
<ellio> I'm in the city. And unattached. WAT SHOULD I DO GUISE.
<ellio> 'cause obv. none of you want to work on Paws with me ಠ_ಠ
<ellio> lolwat vil
<prophile> ellio: identifier
<prophile> i'm pretty sure should be identifier-character+
<prophile> rather than identifier-character*
<ellio> yiss
<vil> ellio: I spent all day yesterday colorizing my fossil output and generally improving my config
<ellio> >,<
<ellio> hey alexgordon
<ellio> take a look at the Node interface
<ellio> I have no idea how to specify that
<ellio> Nodes can reference *either* an Expression *or* an Object.
<alexgordon> isn't that enough?
<alexgordon> attribute {Expression|Object} word;
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<ellio> I guess
<ellio> I feel like it's A LIEEEEEE
<ellio> but whatevs
<ellio> alexgordon: WHAT DO I DO NEXT COME ON
<ellio> entertain / interact meeeeee
<alexgordon> explain staging
<ellio> hmk
<alexgordon> or
<alexgordon> explain how a paws program is interpreted
<alexgordon> at a high level
<prophile> expression
<alexgordon> after it's turned into the graph, what happens then
<prophile> I think it should be sp* <delimited-word>
<prophile> where it's currently <delimited-word>
<alexgordon> I presume there isn't a main function
<ellio> ugh why are you always right, prophile
<ellio> <3 prophile
<purr> Let it be known that ellio hearts prophile.
<ellio> hrm that's problematic in and of itself
<ellio> oh, wait, no it's not
<ellio> anyway
<ellio> alexgordon: hm, trying to figure out how to spec this is *hard*
<alexgordon> good
<ellio> same pattern as earlier? I'll talk through it, and then doing so should help me start to write it in the doc, and then you can help me refine that?
<ellio> 'k, look at the spec for **Continuation**
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<ellio> ugh I'm so bad with words
<ellio> alexgordon: what do I call “The algorithm that decides whether or not this bit of stuff can run right now?”
<vil> verifier?
<prophile> scheduler?
<ellio> nah, like, the name of the *algorithm*
<vil> gatekeeper?
<ellio> the header of this section of the spec
<prophile> steve?
<alexgordon> evan
<ellio> vil: you're unhelpful. That's all names *I* would come up with
* vil shrugs
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<alexgordon> ellio: legs
<ellio> entire point of this exercise, if you'll read the backlog, is to get normal-ish names that people already use for shit
<ellio> ugh fine
<prophile> what it's called
<ellio> going with “The reactor predicate.”
<prophile> when something is current?
<alexgordon> locomotor
<prophile> as in, is presently running?
<vil> ellio: I've spent too much time in here, it's rubbing off
<ellio> active?
<ellio> vil: <3
<prophile> the activity predicate perhaps?
<prophile> the feasibility condition?
<ellio> feasibility condition is closer
<prophile> the ipcress file?
<ellio> okay done with you ಠ_ಠ
<ellio> ggughr need more types
* ellio goes to add them
<prophile> so it decides whether it CAN run right now
<prophile> rather than whether it WILL run?
<ellio> there's basically a “global” (ish.) queue of procedures waiting to run.
<ellio> but, by design, a huge percentage of them will be un-runnable at any given time.
<prophile> so you select a number of candidate procedures by some predicate
<prophile> and the first in the queue is selected
<prophile> yes?
<ellio> there's an algorithm that manages all the concurrency-safety stuff and relationships between them. And, iterating through that queue, the first one that returns “true,” is executed.
<ellio> basically.
<ellio> yep
<prophile> so the candidacy predicate?
<whitequark> scheduler
<prophile> there's only two basic problems which are left unsolved for computer scientists and programmers everywhere to tackle
<prophile> cache coherency and naming things
<whitequark> I think it was cache invalidation
<whitequark> but whatever
<whitequark> Monk is slow on me for some reason -_-
<prophile> it's really cache coherency
<prophile> invalidation is just required to maintain coherency
<vil> whitequark: it's worth the wait :D
<whitequark> prophile: fair
<whitequark> vil: umm... mmm
<whitequark> mmm
<whitequark> so you say I do not need to switch to Shakugan no Shana right now?
<whitequark> mkay
<vil> I mean
<whitequark> it's kind of awkward.
<whitequark> a bit.
<whitequark> not *really*, confusingly awkward
<ellio> Monk <3
<whitequark> but slightly
<ellio> I do love it, it's funny
<ellio> it's like, not *amazing* funny
<ellio> but the kind of funny you enjoy in the background immensely
<ellio> I do Monk like I do Psych
<ellio> anyway
<vil> haven't watched Psych in several seasons
<vil> still good?
<prophile> my guilty pleasure is a programme called Castle
<prophile> it's shit, and i love it
<vil> Castle is fun, yeah
<vil> haven't gotten attached to it
<vil> but I'll watch
<ellio> <3 Castle
<purr> Let it be known that ellio hearts Castle.
<ellio> how is it shite!?
<ellio> it's excellent!
<whitequark> in unrelated news... I can understand it without subtitles
<ellio> I fuckin' love him
<whitequark> but that requires distinct mental effort
<ellio> whitequark: :D
<whitequark> sigh
<ellio> whitequark: how long've you been English'ing?
<whitequark> ellio: I think I started with manuals for C++ Builder
<whitequark> like ten years ago
<whitequark> maybe 11
<vil> whitequark: gobble gobble one of us
<ellio> jesus, you've been programming way longer than me.
<whitequark> but I didn't really listened to it
<ellio> everyone has been.
<prophile> ellio: the writing quality has been steadily dropping
<prophile> it still has moments of brilliance
<whitequark> listen
<ellio> of Castle? yeah.
<whitequark> meh
<vil> ellio: probably not me
<ellio> first season was excelllllllent
<prophile> but it's cracking
<vil> well, maybe, but not WELL
<prophile> first season was pretty great
<prophile> stana katic was prettier back then too, which doesn't hurt
<ellio> oh, I should go masturbate
<prophile> ಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠ
<ellio> who's stana katic?
<prophile> ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ
<ellio> I don't do actresses / actors / whatever
<prophile> lead actress
<whitequark> ellio: but you have a girlfriend?
<ellio> ah k
<ellio> whitequark: if you think having a girlfriend means you don't masturbate, your relationship sucks. >:
<prophile> ಠ_____________________ಠ
<prophile> disapproving whale
<ellio> masturbation doesn't replace having sex; and having sex doesn't replace masturbation.
<whitequark> ellio: heh
<ellio> independent activities with separate pros and cons.
<prophile> WE DIDN'T NEED TO KNOW KTHX
<ellio> yes you did
<ellio> here, lessee, what details can I give you
* prophile fans
<prophile> I'm British, I won't stand for this!
<ellio> actually, I know exactly what details I *want* to give you, but I suddenly feel uncompfortable sharing
<whitequark> prophile: oh, British
<whitequark> that explains
<whitequark> ellio: tell them to me then
<ellio> whitequark: both alexgordon and prophile are british
<vil> ellio: and one of which has significantly higher barriers to entry
<ellio> whitequark: devyn is canadian; and yrashk is, uhhhh, something eastern-european.
<vil> hah, entry
<ellio> vil: hah
<ellio> vil: meh barriers to entry
* ellio pats vil
* vil is 5
<ellio> you'll get laid soon enough, young padawan
<whitequark> þat's what she said
<ellio> alexgordon: Okay. next-up, then, is probably Mask.
* alexgordon sends jimmy savile to vil's house
<ellio> I looked into this shit for a bit, and I think I've come to conclusion that that is the next logical point to touch on.
<vil> I don't think I have the patience to sustain a relationship
<vil> other people are a lot of effort
<prophile> when he says sends
<whitequark> ... that's... self-critical
<prophile> he means by the postal service
<vil> prophile: I'll be sure to check the box for air-holes
<ellio> GUYS
<ellio> FUCKIN' PAWS
<whitequark> wow that's perverse
<prophile> and remember
* whitequark glares at the clock
<prophile> dead people can't say "no"
<prophile> or, for that matter, "how's about that, then?"
<vil> um
* ellio sighs
<prophile> lel
<ellio> alexgordon?
<ellio> >:
<alexgordon> showaddywaddy
<vil> oh neat AT&T iPhones are getting AMBER and emergency alert capabilities
<vil> except mine because it's a 4
<prophile> now then, now then
<ellio> vil: it's always been getting those
<ellio> vil: and Verizon gets them too
<prophile> I haven't been able to break out my jimmy savile impression for months
<prophile> good to give it an airing
<ellio> I've been getting those since the iOS 6 betas
<whitequark> ummm
<whitequark> I think it's in the GSM standard
<whitequark> for like twenty last years
<vil> yeah, I thought so too
<alexgordon> prophile: better get cracking on your bruce impression
<ellio> yep
<vil> I've never gotten one
<ellio> I get tornado and hurricane alerts all the time
<alexgordon> maybe rolf harris
<ellio> I remember mentioning those alerts when I was hunkered down in my bathroom during a tornado storm
<vil> not that anything ever happens in Newberry to alert me about
<vil> ellio: yeah, I remember that as well
<whitequark> folks, where the fuck do you live
<ellio> *chatting in this room*
<whitequark> I don't think I ever heard about a single tornado in europe or asia
<vil> weird
<whitequark> or much hurricanes for that reason
<whitequark> why does america constantly have mother nature's attention
<vil> whitequark: they're common in the states
<whitequark> sinned much?!
<vil> lol
<purr> lol
<ellio> whitequark: Chicago, IL; Wilmington, NC; Anchorage, AK; Seattle, WA
<vil> we have the most coasts to get hit on
<whitequark> oh yeah?!
<prophile> alexgordon: bruce forsyth got done too?
<prophile> I knew about rolf harris
<ellio> Mother nature hits on the United States all the time. She's such a milf.
<whitequark> what is the length of your coastline, then?!
<prophile> whitequark: infinite
<alexgordon> prophile: not yet, but I dislike him just as much
<prophile> like every coastline
<whitequark> prophile: hey stay silent, you're too clever
<ellio> You *wish* you could get some poon as fine as Mother Nature.
<alexgordon> and if THAT is any metric, it's only a matter of time
<ellio> FUCKING CHRIST
<prophile> alexgordon: so who's on this hit-list of yours?
<whitequark> prophile: that was supposed to confuse someone :
<whitequark> :/
<alexgordon> whitequark: it actually isn't infinite though
* ellio wanders off
<whitequark> oh cool
<whitequark> alexgordon: go on
<prophile> because of quantum
<alexgordon> as far as I know, at the atomic level, there is no fractals
<prophile> universe is quantised to the planck length
<alexgordon> it's smooth
<prophile> so alex is right, it's not actually infinite
<prophile> just very, very long :)
<ellio> just stuck a toothpick in a sandwich, up my nose, when trying to take a bite.
<ellio> it hurt.
<whitequark> ...
<whitequark> fuck.
<alexgordon> I mean, it's also not definite
<vil> ellio: I always take those out because I do that every time if I don't
<prophile> true
<whitequark> where's nuck when we need him
<ellio> NUCK
<ellio> NUCK
<ellio> NUCK
<whitequark> EMERGENCY STUPIDITY REQUIRED
<ellio> hey be nice he's like our mascot
<prophile> if you assume the coastline isn't changing then you can't actually measure its length
<ellio> either that, or gq
<prophile> :D
<vil> ellio: do we have to say their names three times in a closet
<whitequark> ellio: I dunno if gq is dumb or not. Never gave us a chance to actually observe that.
<whitequark> unfortunately.
<whitequark> why is she so angry :/
<ellio> I thin our mascot would be nuck bending gq over her counter
<ellio> (din't say it'd be an *attractive* mascot …)
<ellio> prophile: what happened with gq?
<ellio> so, wait
<ellio> oh, she's insanely bi(?:polar)?
<ellio> and *hates* me.
<ellio> I'm kinda/sorta an ex of hers. Except we never fucked. And she wishes, so hard, that we did. ;)
<vil> and multiple personalities ish
<ellio> 'course, she might contest that summary of events, were she here to read it …
<ellio> … but she's not! So, I'll also mention that she gave me a million dollars, and is a unicorn.
<whitequark> something something crazy
<prophile> ellio: she came
<prophile> she saw
<prophile> she spammed
<prophile> i came
<prophile> i warned
<prophile> i banned
<ellio> actually, as much of a nympho as I am, I'd probably bang both her *and* her cute boyfriend
<ellio> if she'd calm the fuck down
* ellio shrugs
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<whitequark> ellio: what are you waiting for?
<alexgordon> ellio is as happy as a banana
<prophile> nympho applies to women
<ellio> prophile: what?
<prophile> the term for males is satyriasis
<prophile> referring to the satyrs and nymphs of classical mythology
<alexgordon> ellio: also don't talk about banging men in front whitequark, it's illegal
<ellio> what/
<whitequark> prophile: you just out-nerded me
<whitequark> I'm impressed
<prophile> :)
<whitequark> ellio: homosexualism is illegal in russia
<alexgordon> talking about it is illegal
<whitequark> well, kind of. the other interpretation of law is that it simply does not exist
ellio is now known as satyriasic
<whitequark> there's a lot more to it than in that article
<whitequark> but yeah
<satyriasic> Pussy Riot <3
<satyriasic> anyway
<satyriasic> guys >:
<satyriasic> you love me, right?
<whitequark> yeah
<satyriasic> so, let's, make a language
<prophile> in the most non-sexual way possible
satyriasic is now known as e
e is now known as ec
<ec> alexgordon:
<ec> alexgordon:
<ec> alexgordon:
<alexgordon> ec
<ec> Aria:
<alexgordon> ec
<alexgordon> e
<alexgordon> c
<alexgordon> jeannicolas!
<ec> jeannicolas!
<prophile> alan! alan! alan!
<ec> what the FUCK am I watching
<ec> are those dicks.
<alexgordon> yes
<ec> because I think those are dicks.
<vil> yes
<ec> this makes me happy.
<alexgordon> as a banana?
<vil> I like the really long one at the end
<vil> nice touch
<Aria> Eveni!
<alexgordon> omg Aria exists
<vil> hello Aria
<whitequark> who's aria?
<prophile> I do not know who Aria is
<prophile> so I'm going to assume it's alexgordon
<alexgordon> someone who never EVER says anything in here
<alexgordon> so not me
<prophile> gabrielle?
<alexgordon> errrrr no
<ec> no, aria is aria
<ec> and no, she fails at lurking
<ec> anyway
<Aria> I do. Except when I don't. Which is often.
<ec> Aria: Now, I'm just confused.
<Aria> More beer will cure that.
<ec> I LIKE YOU
<ec> lessee
<ec> so, we got “Anger”
<ec> black IPA, 85ibu
<ec> there's a story behind this.
<prophile> now we just need denial, bargaining and acceptance
<ec> Chelsea's ex, of *six years*, is named Ryan Anger.
<prophile> moar dota
<ec> when she got out of that relationship, she always complained about not having any closure with the whole thing.
* prophile departs
<ec> one day, we go to the liquor store, start browsing craft beers
<ec> come across, side-by-side, by the same brewery,
<ec> “Anger” (black IPA) “Closure” (ale)
<ec> it was fuckin' adorable
<ec> anyway
<ec> long story short, brb drinking my girlfriend's ex
<ec> Aria: cheers.
<ec> anybody here use Untappd?
<ec> nobody. okay. got it.
<ec> alexgordon? >:
<alexgordon> ?
<ec> are you still helping me spec'?
<ec> I'm such a lightweight. I may be a beer and scotch snob and collect ridiculously large quantities of alcohol, but I simply don't *drink* very much. One sip of a high-ABV beer and I can feel it.
<prophile> I indulged, in the first time in a while, in a little scotch tonight
<ec> which? :O
<prophile> glenmorangie
<prophile> ten years old
<ec> ick
<ec> what's your address? I'll send you something *good* from my collection.
<prophile> hah
<ec> or just buy you a bottle of one of my favourites. (=
<ec> I'm srs.
<ec> I love spreading the alcoholic love.
<prophile> :D
<prophile> cool
<alexgordon> ec: in britain we call it herpes?
<ec> <3 alexgordon
<purr> Let it be known that ec hearts alexgordon.
<ec> -wholoves alexgordon
<purr> ec: alexgordon is loved by devyn, locks, battlecollie, elliottcable, gqbrielle, micahjohnston, Navarr, ec, and Harlequin.
<whitequark> -whohates alexgordon
<purr> whitequark: alexgordon is hated by gqbe and Laufeyson.
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> gqbe is as bipolar as ever
<ec> why? talking to her?
<whitequark> does it get even longer than that?
<alexgordon> ec: she's in both -wholoves and -whohates
<ec> no less than *four* of me love alexgordon
<alexgordon> ec: but you don't hate me!
<alexgordon> ergo not bipolar
<whitequark> -wholoves ec
<purr> whitequark: ec is loved by no one :(
<whitequark> -wholoves eligrey
<purr> whitequark: eligrey is loved by no one :(
<whitequark> -wholoves ELLIOTTCABLE
<purr> whitequark: ELLIOTTCABLE is loved by devyn, devyn, locks, sephr, IamTash, gqbe, mix, little_boys, brr, ugly_people, and jessicard.
<alexgordon> -wholoves sephr
<purr> alexgordon: sephr is loved by devyn.
<alexgordon> haha devyn, so canadian
<whitequark> -whohates elliottcable
<purr> whitequark: elliottcable is hated by Nuck, gqbrielle, darkf, and everybody.
<purr> alexgordon: sephr is hated by locks, gqbe, otters, and mix.
<alexgordon> -whohates sephr
<alexgordon> -whohates purr
<purr> alexgordon: purr is hated by alexgordon, locks, and sephr.
<alexgordon> I don't like this club I'm in
<whitequark> -wholoves purr
<purr> whitequark: purr is loved by devyn, Nuck, elliottcable, gqbrielle, darkf, IamTash, Navarr, sechrist, jeannicolas, special-agent-A, special-agent-B, SphereCat1, isaacs, chapel, tees, FireFly, mix, sanitypassing, vil, mscdex, elliottcabl3, brr, Nuuuuuuuuck, micahjohnston_, whitequark, joelteon, and jessicard.
<alexgordon> ++ purr
<purr> Let it be known that alexgordon is indifferent to purr.
<alexgordon> -wholoves purr
<purr> alexgordon: purr is loved by devyn, Nuck, elliottcable, gqbrielle, darkf, IamTash, Navarr, sechrist, jeannicolas, special-agent-A, special-agent-B, SphereCat1, isaacs, chapel, tees, FireFly, mix, sanitypassing, vil, mscdex, elliottcabl3, brr, Nuuuuuuuuck, micahjohnston_, whitequark, joelteon, and jessicard.
<alexgordon> christ
<vil> yay, old-me is still in there!
<whitequark> -- purr
<purr> whitequark-- (... dickface.)
<vil> lololol
<whitequark> yeah
<whitequark> </3 purr
<alexgordon> whitequark: wikipedia LOVES lists
<whitequark> alexgordon: yeah
<whitequark> List of lists of lists
<whitequark> not joking
<whitequark> fucking meta
<whitequark> >Lists of Swedish Swimming Championships champions
<whitequark> why is there serveral ><
<whitequark> >Lists of things named after places
<whitequark> LOL
<purr> LOL
<vil> why do people have time to write these
<vil> imagine what they could be getting done
<vil> …says the guy currently lost in the Jargon file
<alexgordon> vil: man that article is so useful though
<alexgordon> I didn't know half of it the first time I read it
<vil> "this list has been split between"
<vil> *facedesk*
<vil> I probably don't know most of them
<vil> A&E, interesting
<vil> I like "accumulator" for battery
<vil> why don't we use that one?
<whitequark> lol @ brackets
<purr> lol
<whitequark> BE: () AE: []
<alexgordon> yeah
<vil> y u call parens brackets
<alexgordon> why would you call () with a *longer* word?
<vil> [] {} ← brackets
<alexgordon> () = brackets
<whitequark> vil: no
* Aria tries to decide what to do with 200 ml of lavender and hibiscus flavored vodka.
<vil> alexgordon: I call the parens
<alexgordon> [] = square brackets
<whitequark> () = parens, [] = brackets, {} = braces
<alexgordon> {} = curly brackets
<vil> whitequark: yeah, braces is better
<alexgordon> they are all brackets...
<whitequark> vil: that's ruby slang
<alexgordon> curly! they're curly
<vil> but I hear a lot of people call them curly brackets
<whitequark> :tLBRACE, :tLPAREN and :tLCURLY
<whitequark> ugh rubyparser :/
<alexgordon> wait what
<alexgordon> brace AND curly?
<alexgordon> lol
<alexgordon> that's just confusing
<devyn> -clouds
<purr> devyn: is stuck up in the clouds; hilight 'em if you want 'em.
<vil> does anyone here prononuce "-a" or whatever for arguments "tack-a"?
<alexgordon> vil: it's funny how americans pronounce "fillet" as "fill ay"
<vil> wait how do you pronounce it?
<vil> how it's spelled?
<alexgordon> fill et
<vil> someone wanted to make it sound fancy, no doubt
<alexgordon> I couldn't work out for the life of my why a shop was called "chick fill a"
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<alexgordon> until ec said it was "chick fillet"
<alexgordon> which I thought was weird
<alexgordon> I just assumed I'd been saying it wrong all these years
<prophile> mcdonalds have a dish called "flay a fish"
<prophile> well i say dish
<prophile> one of their usual plastic offerings
<prophile> it's pronounced quite differently in the states
<ec> First this: http://ell.io/iXmss
<whitequark> don't you dare badmouth mcdonalds
<whitequark> plastic food is awesome.
<alexgordon> prophile: hahaha
<ec> Then this: http://ell.io/iESNO
<vil> whitequark: wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> FUCK RIGHT OFF, PAYPAL
<vil> bahaha paypal
<whitequark> vil: hey i like it
<ec> Aria: SEND IT TO ME
<vil> I like their breakfast stuff
<prophile> paypal literally eats babies
<ec> Aria: I love obscure shit
<Aria> Hehe.
<vil> and their fries are amazing
<alexgordon> vil: the funny thing is, there are words we say "all french-like" that americans don't
<prophile> I didn't even know it had a physical presence
<ec> Aria: I definitely don't have any hibiscus releases. Home-made? or an obscure brand?
<prophile> saw it with my own eyes
<prophile> paypal became manifest
<prophile> sprouted a mouth and arms
<Aria> Home-made. Started with grey goose I was given but don't like.
<prophile> just tucked in to a maternity ward
<prophile> horrifying
<alexgordon> vil: wait mcdonalds fries are "amazing" ?
<prophile> press hushed it up of course
<ec> vil: “dash-a”
<prophile> as is their wont
<vil> alexgordon: YES so good
<alexgordon> they're utter shit
<ec> vil: “dash-dash-expert”
<prophile> if only reddit had been around in those days
<vil> ec: I used to say dash
<vil> ec: I think I picked up "tack" from Hak5
<Aria> 20g lavender, 15g hibiscus flowers. Leave overnight in 200ml of orange flavored vodka. Strain out the chunks.
<Aria> Goes GREAT mixed with ginger ale. And PRETTY.
<micahjohnston> prophile: whitequark: ellio: yeah first three seasons were good and it declined afterwards, but still good
<micahjohnston> ec:
<micahjohnston> so many o you
<prophile> that... was quite a non-sequitur
<alexgordon> vil: mcdonalds fries are so fucking terrible. they're just bland soggy pieces of potato, there's no cruchiness, or even any browning
<micahjohnston> prophile: clouds
<prophile> was that referring to the TV show discussion from earlier?
<ec> micahjohnston: lolhi
<purr> lolhi
<whitequark> alexgordon: bad luck
<vil> alexgordon: I think you've had incorrect mcdonalds fries
<ec> HELLO EVERYONE
<ec> WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT PAWS
<whitequark> if they're fresh they're awesome
<micahjohnston> hi ec I need advice about getting a macbook
<alexgordon> vil: I've had mcdonalds fries in many countries, including america
<whitequark> ec: oh finally
<whitequark> link!
<micahjohnston> you have strong opinions about such things
<vil> hi micahjohnston
<prophile> just ask for fries with no salt
<alexgordon> vil: actually they were *particularly* bad in america, because of the large amount more salt they put on...
<whitequark> DAT WALL OF TEXT
<ec> I will bitchslap the next person to talk about fries
<alexgordon> was like drinking from the sea
<prophile> that way they have to make a fresh batch
<prophile> and you get that delicious ammoniay taste from them pissing in the oil
<vil> <3 salt
<whitequark> ec: wow that's awesome
<purr> Let it be known that vil hearts salt.
<alexgordon> vil gets it
<vil> alexgordon: speaking os sea, Wendy's sea-salt fries are excellent as well
<alexgordon> definitely now
<whitequark> <3 ec
<purr> Let it be known that whitequark hearts ec.
vil was kicked from #elliottcable by ec [bitch. slapped.]
<whitequark> fries
<ec> -pants
<whitequark> friiiies
<purr> ec: +o means pants
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<vil> ow
<whitequark> delicious fries
<ec> don't fuck with the pants
<whitequark> and chicken nuggets
<prophile> fries glorious fries
<ec> ಠ_ಠ
<whitequark> d'oh
<alexgordon> CHIPS MOTHERFUCKER
<vil> what about pants?
<whitequark> now i wanna eat
<vil> so confused
* vil has a minor concussion
<micahjohnston> 7:22 PM <•alexgordon> was like drinking from the sea
<micahjohnston> alexgordon: <3
<ec> “WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT PAWS”
<ec> a literal *page of discussion later*:
<alexgordon> also btw I make the best chips in the world
<ec> pants. fries. nugs.
<prophile> what's the meaning of the attribute keyword?
<devyn> -unclouds
<purr> devyn: is no longer stuck up in the clouds.
<devyn> -hates devyn
<vil> kk
<purr> devyn: devyn hates horrible design, JavaScript, locksiecocks, kicking, darkf, colds, Java, PHP, vim, Mr. Star, low quality audio, the yellow snow, GNOME 3, forever, snooki, and beef.
<ec> prophile: as opposed to operation/method/whatever
<prophile> just clarifying that it is an attribute rather than a method?
<prophile> right
<alexgordon> that I've tasted anyway. sure heston's and that fucking patent troll's chips are better
<ec> yep
<ec> operations are coming, theoretically
<devyn> I
<devyn> what
<whitequark> ec: fries
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
* whitequark wonders
<ec> m'kay
<whitequark> +z?
<ec> reduced moderation
<ec> means I can hear him, but the rest of you can't
<prophile> wat
<ec> quieted/banned/moderated users' messages are visible to ops, but not voiced or regular members, during +z
<whitequark> i can see prophile's messages
<alexgordon> yep
<whitequark> right now
<prophile> does the fact that I have +v not override that?
<vil> same
<ec> 'cause he's +v
<ec> yeah, it was a warning, duh
<vil> ah
<alexgordon> lol
<devyn> lol
* ec headdesks
<whitequark> wat
<prophile> a warning?
<ec> seriously, it's like herding cats
<micahjohnston> god irccloud is super laggy for me
<ec> except they're cats on IRC
<prophile> I'm literally the only person who actually mentioned paws other than you
<ec> and the cats all like fries
<whitequark> ec: fries!
<vil> ec: I am no longer a cat
<whitequark> seriously though
<whitequark> I'm tired and it's 5AM
<prophile> woo normalcy restored
<ec> new plan. → #Paws.Nucleus if you *do* want to help me specify this shit.
<prophile> I sorta feel like 'readonly' would be better phrased as 'immutable'
<prophile> it's been bothering me
<ec> alexgordon: you, primarily.
<prophile> but I'm not sure why
<ec> prophile: just copying CSSOM's syntax for the moment
<devyn> whee pants
<ec> don't have time to write a spec for a spec *and* a spec for a language D:
<alexgordon> ec: man I'm tired enough as it is
<ec> alexgordon: ;_;
<ec> okay
<ec> giving up on Paws for the night
<alexgordon> all I can do is talk about chips and bananas and dicks
<whitequark> fries
<ec> even though micahjohnston and devyn JUST SHOWED UP
<alexgordon> CHIPS
<vil> alexgordon: banana chips
<ec> going to go work on cord, I guess
<whitequark> FRIES
<ec> 'cept I'm drunk
<alexgordon> CHIPS
<ec> so idfk
<alexgordon> dicks
<whitequark> FRIIIIIES
<alexgordon> cocks
<whitequark> meh
<alexgordon> gentleman's sausage
<whitequark> ec: also: chicken
<whitequark> I like chicken
<whitequark> eating
<whitequark> cooking, too
<vil> I never knew how annoying the OS X volume clicks were until I shut them off
<ec> man, don't start me with the dick references
<ec> beanpole.
<whitequark> ec: er, what?
<ec> albino asparagus.
<ec> anaconda.
<whitequark> by chicken, I mean literally bird meat
<whitequark> it's not an euphemism
<ec> middle leg.
<ec> root.
<whitequark> ... are you citing them alphabetically?
<ec> cyclops.
<whitequark> no
<whitequark> a pity
<ec> rod.
<whitequark> that would be insane enough for you
<ec> dingus.
<ec> oh, good point
<whitequark> dong
<ec> alphabetic order from here on out.
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<ec> WISH ME LUCK I AM DRUNK AND THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY REQUIRE EFFORT
<ec> beef baton.
<ec> bitch blaster.
<micahjoh1ston> hi
<purr> micahjoh1ston: hi!
<whitequark> a good idea, in my opinion, is to talk so that first letters of your messages are in alphabetical order
<ec> bacon torpedo.
micahjoh1ston is now known as incomprehensibly
<ec> fuck, messed that up
<whitequark> bitch slap to you if you don't!
<incomprehensibly> irssi is much less laggy
<ec> um.
<ec> bone.
<ec> boner.
<ec> bone-her.
<ec> bratwurst.
<whitequark> can you follow this guideline strictly?
<ec> broom.
<ec> butter-churn.
<ec> guys I am disturbingly good at this.
<ec> pretty sure I just found my calling in life.
<whitequark> haha
<whitequark> oh, fuck
<ec> cattle prod.
<ec> cervix crusader.
<vil> ec: celebrate by more drinking
<prophile> I'm pretty sure you can use any noun in the english dictionary as a euphemism for a penis
<ec> cherry picker.
<whitequark> cervix crusader.
<ec> chubby.
<whitequark> duh
<joelteon> penguin
<prophile> in the same way you can shove any verb in the english dictionary in the past tense and use it to describe having got drunk
<ec> clit tickler.
<joelteon> farted
<ec> colossus.
<whitequark> ec: wanna know where I got the idea?
<ec> cornholer.
<ec> cornstalk.
<ec> crank shaft.
<ec> YES>
<ec> YES YES YES
<whitequark> appendices for the CSS2 specification are in alphabetic order
<whitequark> look at the TOC
<whitequark> don't forget to look at Appendix H
<ec> there is no H!
<whitequark> ec: there is
<ec> you threw me off my game, I hadn't even gotten to D
<ec> which is very ironic
<whitequark> ec: go to G
<whitequark> then click Next
<ec> omfg
<whitequark> :D :D :D
<ec> fuckin' w3c
<ec> I want food
<whitequark> no
<ec> CUSTARD PUMP!
<whitequark> this ain't w3c
<whitequark> this is one awesome good
<whitequark> *guy
<prophile> this is real as it gets
<prophile> i'm on a boat motherfucker don't you ever forget
<whitequark> ec: I got the word from mark pilgrim's blog
<ec> dangling participle.
<whitequark> did you catch it while it was alive?
<whitequark> ec: oh wow, that last euphemism was good
<ec> Darth Vader.
<whitequark> also
<ec> diamond cutter.
<ec> Diego the Explorer.
<prophile> uh
<whitequark> crankshaft is one of v8's components
<prophile> you forgot dick
<prophile> darling
<ec> dipstick.
<whitequark> CHROME: POWERED BY PENISES
<ec> I'm avoiding obvious ones, that's no funnnnnn
<ec> FINE
<ec> DONG
<prophile> hoooraaay
<ec> DORK
<ec> … doughnut holder. ;)
<incomprehensibly> ec: how do I let terminal let me scroll up and down in this
<incomprehensibly> it's hard
<ec> Earthworm Jim.
<prophile> Terminal.app?
<ec> egg roll.
<prophile> shift-page up and shift-page down
<ec> El Presidente.
<incomprehensibly> prophile: hug
<ec> Excalibur.
<incomprehensibly> you saved me
<ec> fallopian fiddler.
<ec> fanny cleaver.
<ec> fetus feeler.
<prophile> ouch
<ec> (yeah? yeah? c'mmon, lemme get some yeahs up in here)
<ec> firehose.
<ec> flagpole.
<ec> flesh banana. (hat-tip @alexgordon)
<ec> oh my god so many I can do here
<ec> flesh cigar
<incomprehensibly> i hate this
<ec> flesh flute
<incomprehensibly> i need a good irc client
<incomprehensibly> and there aren't any
<ec> flesh missle
<ec> flesh trumpet
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: textual?
<ec> flesh …
<ec> fuck idk
<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: costs?
<ec> FOOTLONG
<alexgordon> haha
<ec> frankfurter.
<incomprehensibly> i am poor
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: free!
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: it's open source, if you can build it
<ec> fuckpole, fuckstick, fuckflute, etcetcet
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: otherwise, not much on the app store
<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: oh
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: dunno if it works on your version of OS X though
<ec> fudgepacker
<ec> fun-gun
<alexgordon> hahaha
<incomprehensibly> ec: boyd k. fudgetpacker
<ec> gash mallet. ;)
<ec> gherkin.
<ec> or however you spell that.
<prophile> correct
<ec> giggle stick.
<prophile> i believe
<ec> gleaming fucking love sword.
<incomprehensibly> because boyd k packer is the most homophobic authority in the lds church
<alexgordon> I have to steal some of these
<purr> beep.
<alexgordon> ec: wat.
<ec> gluestick, godzilla, goo pipe, grandpa's knee
<ec> gravy maker
<ec> gut wrench
<ec> okay guys I need help
<ec> running out of steam here
<prophile> we know
<prophile> oh, right
<ec> ಠ_ಠ
<prophile> :D
<ec> I put so much effort into this shit and you just make fun of me
<ec> COME ON WORK OF ART OKAY
<ec> contribute I'll run with it
<ec> H! go!
<prophile> horse fondler
<prophile> iunno
<prophile> i just write things down
<ec> honeystick
<incomprehensibly> ...hug
<ec> hot rod
<ec> hymen hammer!
<prophile> heh
<prophile> ham
<ec> The Incredible Hulk. counts as an I, right?
<whitequark> inseminator
<prophile> ec: yes
<ec> intrusion protrusion.
<ec> guys, this is my superpower.
<ec> I get drunk, and *this*.
<prophile> by day he's a programming language designer
<ec> er, jackhammer.
<ec> jap slapper.
<ec> javeline.
<prophile> by night... he generates dick euphamisms in alphabetical order at great volumes
<ec> JELLYFISH.
<ec> JIMINY CRICKET
<ec> jizz syringe.
<ec> um.
<ec> joy juicer.
<ec> junior.
<ec> junk.
<vil> forgot jack-in-the-box
<ec> easy.
<prophile> K.
<ec> fuck that was obvious.
<ec> K?
<prophile> K.
<ec> kickstand.
<vil> the thing after J
<alexgordon> koch
<ec> kidney-cracker.
<incomprehensibly> omg omg
<incomprehensibly> kidney cdracker
<ec> Kosher pickle?
<alexgordon> LOL
<purr> LOL
<ec> K's kinda a bitch
<ec> oh shit knee knocker
<ec> DAMNIT
<ec> OKAY GO ON
<incomprehensibly> hahah
<ec> L
<prophile> to be honest i think it's all downhill after kidney cracker
<alexgordon> love...
<ec> LADY DAGGER
<ec> LAP-ROPE
<ec> LEAKY FAUCET
<ec> THIS IS MY FAVOURITE GAME
<incomprehensibly> lollipop
<alexgordon> :D
<vil> prophile: wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> leather lolipop.
<ec> ALPHABETIC ORDER MICAH
<incomprehensibly> ec: oh not just the first letter?
<ec> heh. heh heh heh. lightsaber.
<incomprehensibly> u r 2hxc 4 me ec
<ec> NOPE GOTTA NAME 'EM IN FULL ALPHABETICAL ORDERING
<alexgordon> liver cracker
<ec> lizard.
<ec> that works, right?
<ec> it slithers.
<ec> Long Dong Silver.
<alexgordon> LOL
<ec> longsword.
<ec> OH SH
<ec> LOUIEEVILLE SLUGGER
<ec> or somethin'
<Aria> This reminds me of the best spam title I ever got.
<Aria> "It is longer. It is more. It is more long."
<alexgordon> LOL
<ec> love gun. love log. love meat. love muscle. love pole. love sausage. love sword. love torpedo. love truncheon. love whistle.
* alexgordon is in stitche
<alexgordon> s
<ec> lunch.
<prophile> "love truncheon"
<alexgordon> prophile: wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> lung disturber.
<alexgordon> ec: wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> (gotta get an organ-reference in there every time.)
* Aria nearly snerfs her vodka and soda at 'love truncheon'
<incomprehensibly> lung disturberrrr
<ec> YOU GUYS KNOW YOU LOVE ME
<ec> YOU KNOW IT
<ec> MAGENTA. MUSHROOM.
<ec> (BEEN SAVING THAT ONE UP.)
<ec> magic flute. magic wand.
<ec> maiden masher.
<ec> main vein.
<ec> man cannon.
<alexgordon> main vein LOL
<purr> LOL
<ec> man meat.
<ec> man pole.
<ec> man sword.
<ec> master blaster.
<ec> oooo wait, missed one I heard years back
<ec> “man-sized manicoti”
<Aria> I should be better at this, considering where I work.
<ec> Master of Ceremonies.
<alexgordon> ec: I want to collect all of these and get a bot to dish them out randomly
<ec> Mayonaaise canon.
<Aria> "The local megafauna"
<vil> we need to put these all in one huge post on the quote blog
<ec> Meat 'n 2 veg. (hat-tip alexgordon)
<ec> meat-bat.
<ec> MEAT ENEMA.
<Aria> Invincible pork sword.
<ec> meat flute, meat hammer, etcetcetc, these ones are too easy
<alexgordon> meal for two?
<ec> MEAT MONSTER
<ec> MEAT MUSKET
<ec> MEAT STRAW
* alexgordon is optimistic
<ec> MEAT THERMOMOTER
<ec> Meatsicle,
<ec> meaty tongue depressor
<ec> just to get weird, menacing meat of michigan
<ec> MENSTRUAL MINER
<purr> beep.
<alexgordon> ec: wat.
<ec> middle leg,
<ec> mighty monkey.
<incomprehensibly> meat enema
<ec> The Mighty Thor.
<ec> milkbone.
<incomprehensibly> 1:49:17 * alexgordon is optimistic
<ec> milkman. (get it?)
<ec> mini-me.
<ec> Moby Dick.
<incomprehensibly> hahahaha i love you
<ec> Monkey Tamer.
<ec> Monty's Python.
<incomprehensibly> how the fuck are you still going
<ec> morning glory. morning muscle.
<ec> um.
<ec> Mr. EVERYTHING
<alexgordon> ec: go! go! go! you can do it
<vil> incomprehensibly: and still in order too
<Aria> Mr. Happy.
<prophile> we're nearly half way done
<prophile> KEEP GOING
<prophile> WE BELIEVE IN YOU
<vil> should put these over the poké-rap instrumental
<ec> Mr. Bendy, Mr. Clean, Mr. Friendly, Mr. Giggles, Mr. Magoo, Mr. Preident, Mr. Rogers, Mr. Wiggles
<ec> MR. POTATO HEAD
<ec> FUCK ME
<alexgordon> preident
<alexgordon> mr man
<prophile> I'm still reeling from "love truncheon"
<alexgordon> :D
<ec> muff marauder
<Aria> Mr. Bill.
<ec> sorry now I'm having to copy-pasta them to my girlfriend, and that's slowing me down
<alexgordon> Mr Tickle? :D
<ec> muffin butterer
<ec> mutton dagger
<Aria> Muggle tuggle
<alexgordon> muffin butterer
<alexgordon> hahahahahahaha
<ec> Nebuchadnezzar
<ec> nightcrawler
<ec> nine inch knocker,
<ec> nob. nudger.
<alexgordon> ec is optimistic
<ec> er
<ec> The Octagon? think I heard that in a movie once?
<alexgordon> wat
<ec> old faithful. old fella. old slimy.
<ec> Oliver Twist.
<Aria> nat. niggler.
<ec> one-eyed <basically everything>
<ec> Optimus Fucking Prime
<ec> our one-eyed brother.
<ec> ovarian pool-stick.
<chellio> I'm here.
<ec> oyster probe.
<chellio> Kind of.
<alexgordon> wait how
<alexgordon> what
<ec> package, easy
<alexgordon> HOW
<ec> pajama python!
<alexgordon> IN THE NAME OF ALLAH
<ec> PALM PILOT
<ec> PANTS SNAKE
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<ec> lolwat
<purr> lolwat
<ec> did she just message before joining
<vil> HOW DID THAT
<vil> WAT
<ec> PANTS WOMBAT
<Aria> You can do that.
<alexgordon> I think you can msg a channel
<ec> PASSION PISTOL
<vil> channel sync issue?
<ec> PEARL DIVER
<vil> oh
<alexgordon> /msg #elly blah
<ec> pecker
<alexgordon> elliottcable
<alexgordon> dammit autocorrect
<ec> pee-pee
<ec> pee-wee
<ec> pelvic punisher
<prophile> PRIVMSG is how you normally speakin a channel
<ec> pendulum, pencil
<prophile> but unless mode +n is set you can PRIVMSG even if you haven't joined
<ec> phallus.
<ec> piccolo.
<ec> pickle.
<ec> pied piper.
<ec> pig inna blanket.
<ec> piledriver.
<ec> PIMP CANE, BITCH.
<ec> pink cigar, pink oboe, pink torpedo,
<Aria> popsicl
<ec> Pinnochio.
<ec> pipe cleaner.
<ec> piston.
<ec> pleasure pickle, pleasure piston
<incomprehensibly> Aria: patience
<ec> plum-tree shaker (ooooold one)
<alexgordon> good luck with Q, man
<ec> pocket rocket
<ec> DON'T DISCOURGAE ME MAN I GOT THIS
<Aria> pasta. On a stick.
<ec> POO PUSHER
<incomprehensibly> ec: do you read lots of shitty erotica or something
<ec> polish kielbasa
<prophile> HAH
<alexgordon> HAHA
<ec> poon canon, poon prod
<alexgordon> poon rat?
<ec> Popeye the Sailor man
<ec> Pop Tart
<ec> The Porcelain Plumber
<ec> pork-knife
<ec> Porridge bazooka
<ec> idk hwo spell that
<alexgordon> go on go on
<ec> presidential podium.
<ec> Prince Charming
<ec> probe. prong.
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<ec> protein spigot.
<ec> shit.
<ec> that's probably not a good sign.
<ec> (PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON!!!)
<ec> (pudding canon!)
<incomprehensibly> cannon*
<ec> pugilistic panty-popper
<alexgordon> pew pew pew
<incomprehensibly> ec: what the fuck
<incomprehensibly> lolol
<purr> lolol
<vil> wow, alliteration
<ec> pulsating python of looooooove.
<alexgordon> ec: wat
<ec> pump handle. pump-action yogurt rifle.
<alexgordon> damn
<ec> pumping pole of penile power
<prophile> he's good
<ec> what, can't handle a little aliteration in your cock-chords?
<purr> beep.
<vil> ec: "pulsating python of looooooove." wat.
<vil> alexgordon: fixed it
<ec> Purple Avenger.
<ec> purple mushroom.
<alexgordon> penis? did you do that one?
<ec> purple pork chop.
<prophile> penis is not a euphamism for penis
<ec> purple pulsating pillar of penile power.
<prophile> now quieten down and let the man work
<alexgordon> prophile: "the man"
<prophile> he can only prolong 'p' for so long
<alexgordon> :D he's just avoiding Q now
<ec> purple-headed belly ripper.
<alexgordon> this is like countdown with cocks
<ec> FINE FUCK YOU
<ec> QUANTUM JIZZ-STICK
<ec> QUARTERMASTER
<prophile> quantum?
<ec> QUARTER POUNDER WITH CHEESE.
<ec> quivering member.
<prophile> as in so small you can't both tell where it is and what its momentum is?
<prophile> I'd hope not
<prophile> :)
<ec> quim-tickler.
<ec> DID YOU SEE THAT?
<ec> GETTING ARCHAIC UP IN THIS BITCH
<ec> home stretch. R.
<incomprehensibly> ec: jesus christ that's a word
<ec> Rainbow Roll.
<ec> jesus I'm running out.
<ec> need another beer.
<alexgordon> noooo
<ec> The Ramburglar. (think Hamburglar.)
<ec> Ramrod.
<ec> Reaming Tower of Peena.
<alexgordon> RHOMBUS!
<ec> Rectum rooter.
* alexgordon has been waiting to say that for 5 minutes
<ec> Rhubarb stinger.
<ec> ring stinger.
<ec> rocket to uranus.
<alexgordon> ec: wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> I think I'm burning out here, I'm far less creative
<ec> Rod of Lordy Might +2
<alexgordon> ec: ok return and contiue after beer
<prophile> take a two-minute break
<ec> rogering ramjet
<prophile> consume beer
<ec> rolling pin!
<prophile> and return reinvigorated
<ec> UGH I CAN"T STOP OR I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TOS TART AGAIN
<alexgordon> prophile: rub your love truncheon
<alexgordon> erm
<ec> need to pee ;-;
<alexgordon> ec
<ec> roman soldier
<ec> rosary. yeah, went there.
<prophile> i'm pretty sure john prescott and nobody else has a love truncheon
<incomprehensibly> reaming tower of peena
<prophile> and that's not a picture i want in my brain
<ec> did I alreayd do roto-rooter?
<ec> ruddy sausage (alexgordon, prophile <3)
<ec> rump wrangler
<ec> Rumpleforeskin.
<vil> roto-rooter is good
<incomprehensibly> ec: fuck, write a book please
<alexgordon> ec: have break
* prophile pulls a not bad face
<ec> russel the love muscle <3
<ec> some of these are ancient
<ec> happyiestface
<incomprehensibly> ec: i'm serious here, write a book :p
<prophile> this could actually work in a book
<prophile> 101 euphemisms for penis
<alexgordon> dictionary of dicks
<incomprehensibly> i mean more
<incomprehensibly> he has a command of language
<incomprehensibly> lol
<purr> lol
<prophile> although actually I suspect we've significantly gone over 100 here
<ec> beer.
<prophile> sasquatch
<ec> rusty-tunnel tangler
<ec> hehehe period jokes
* ec breathes
<ec> S, T< U, V, W, X, Y, Z
<ec> fuck, I forgot how long the alphabet was
<ec> salami
<vil> prophile: that is a fantastic cinemagraph
<ec> got an organic black lager, Baba.
<ec> really cute picture of a sheep on it, excellent bottling
<alexgordon> ec: have a beer, man. don't rush the end because you were thirsty
<ec> I'm sooooo over this
<ec> ugawbrtabtuaworawr
<ec> saucer-headed sawmp thing
<prophile> you're on the home stretch
<ec> scabby mayonaise revolver
<prophile> YOU ARE DOING GOD'S WORK
<ec> starting to re-use jokes ;_;
<ec> scarlet samurai.
<ec> scepter.
<ec> schlong.
<ec> schnitzel.
<ec> scooby snack.
<ec> seed shooter.
<ec> Señor Happy. (españõ˜l up in this bitch.)
<ec> sergent stiffy
<ec> serpent
<ec> sex-pistol, shaft
<ec> shapeshifter (GET IT GET IT?)
<ec> sheep shank. (SO WITTY.)
<ec> shift-stick
<ec> SHILLEGAH
<ec> (sp?)
<ec> shiny fuckin' banana
<ec> shithook
<ec> shrimp boat ('cause shrimp, vagina, lololol)
<purr> lololol
<ec> shortest arm
<ec> The Silent Beast.
<ec> Single-serving soup dispenser.
<alexgordon> LOL
<incomprehensibly> lolol
<ec> Sir Lance A Lot.
<ec> Six Shooter, if you're me.
<ec> Skin boat, obligatory.
<ec> Skin bus, skin diver skin flute skin sword
<ec> I feel like I need haskell to re-combine some of these for me
<ec> could probably out-do me with combinatory logic
<ec> (that's probably not what combinatory logic actually is)
<ec> (I wouldn't know, I just conjugate dicks)
<incomprehensibly> ec: was about to say tha'ts not what that is :p
<ec> (that's probably not what conjugation is, either)
<ec> SKIVIES LIZARD
<incomprehensibly> lol
<ec> (Skiffies? Skiveys? Fuckin' idk)
<ec> Sleeping Beauty.
<ec> Slim Jim.
<ec> The Slim Reaper.
<ec> Slippery love dolphin.
<ec> Sludge pump.
<ec> something something something those things you slap on your arm and they snap shut. (Snap-stick?)
<ec> snot nazi.
<alexgordon> ec: wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> soul pole.
<ec> spackle hammer.
<incomprehensibly> ec: "something something something those things you slap on your arm and they snap shut. (Snap-stick?)" wat.
<purr> beep.
<ec> sparklebrush.
<ec> speklunking sausage.
<ec> sperm burper.
<ec> Spermin Herman
<ec> spigot
<ec> spitting snank
<ec> snake*
<ec> splooge spout.
<ec> spunk trumpet.
<ec> Spurt Reynolds
<ec> STAFF OF LIFE
<ec> Stainmaker
<prophile> hah
<ec> the Stanley powertool.
<ec> Stiffy one-eye.
<ec> Stink slammer.
<ec> stripper slayer.
<ec> stomache wrench.
<ec> strawberry snake.
<ec> stubby.
<ec> sugar stick.
<ec> super soaker.
<ec> The Suspect.
<ec> Swingin' Dick Nixon.
<ec> swizzle stick.
* ec breathes deep
<prophile> <applause>
<ec> TACO WARMER TALLYWHACKER TAPIOCA SPRINKLER TENNASSEE THROATWARMER TENT PEG TEXAS TROUT BANGER
<ec> The Beast Below
<prophile> can't allow that one
<ec> Thing (Obligatory paws reference.)
<ec> Thor's hammer.
<prophile> 'the' is discarded
<ec> Thrill drill.
<ec> Throbbing <anything at all>
<ec> Throbbing purple pneumatic pussy drill
<ec> (yeah, been saving that since the P's)
<ec> Thumper.
<ec> Thunderstick.
<ec> tic-tac (aww >:)
<ec> tickle tail.
<ec> tiny tim.
<ec> Tonka Truck.
<ec> tonsil toothbrush.
<prophile> hahahaha
<ec> Tool of the Patriarchy. (Got that from Twitter.)
<ec> totem pole, Toto the Tummy Twister, Tower of Power
<ec> toys for twats
<ec> (plural acceptable?)
<ec> trembling torpedo.
<ec> trombone.
<ec> troublemaker.
<ec> trouser … anything
<ec> trouser hog, trouser titan, trouser tortise, trouser trout
<ec> trout baster!
<ec> tuba.
<ec> tubesteak. (old == best)
<ec> tummy banana, tummy buster,
<ec> tuna fisher
<ec> tunnel tickler.
<ec> turd burglar!
<ec> turkey neck.
<ec> twig and berries
<ec> twinkie (mighta done this?)
<ec> the girl demands I do one in honour of her, so I'm breaking out-of-order
<ec> Chelsea's Chowder Cannon
<ec> 'k.
<incomprehensibly> lul
<ec> twizzler of love.
<ec> sorry man chelsea just made this difficult
<ec> CHEATING
<ec> ugly little brother
<ec> uncle richard, uncle wiggly
<ec> Unemployment
<ec> the unit
<ec> upright citizen.
<ec> (upright? hahahaha.)
<ec> uterus unicorn.
<ec> V's.
<ec> Vagina Miner. vaginal depth detector.
<ec> vein-laden meat-pipe
<ec> vertical dangler
<ec> verve pipe
<ec> virile member
<ec> Vlad the Impaler
<ec> vomit rod
<ec> ugh
<ec> the end of the alphabet is hard
<ec> didn't even get ten out of V.
<ec> WACKER
<ec> WALDO
<ec> WALLY
<ec> WANG
<ec> WANKER SPANKER
<ec> too easy
<ec> The War Hammer.
<ec> Waterspout.
<ec> Wapon of Ass Destruction.
<ec> wedding tackle.
<ec> the wedding wrecker.
<ec> wedge-bone.
<ec> Wee WIlly Winkie.
<ec> wee wonder stick.
<ec> weenie.
<ec> whanger.
<purr> <eboy> ohhhhhhhhh
<ec> whisker slitter.
<ec> DIED
<vil> purr: good choice omfg
<ec> WHISTLESTICK
<alexgordon> LOL
<purr> LOL
<ec> Whoper
<ec> Whopper*
<ec> Whore-monger
<ec> wicked scepter
<ec> widget
<ec> wife's best friend
<ec> wiggle-stick
<ec> wilbert, wilbur, willard, willy, Willy Wonka
<ec> wilson
<ec> people whose names start with W are just *asking* for it.
<ec> Winky the milk-spitting tunnel ferret
<ec> Wizard's Staff (with a knob on the end.)
<ec> wobbly warhead.
<ec> womb broom.
<ec> (womb raider.)
<ec> The Wonder Down Under
<ec> Wood
<ec> Woodie*
<ec> Woody*?
<ec> Wonder Wookie.
<ec> Wrinklebeast.
<ec> um.
<ec> Xcaliber. ;)
<ec> Xtacsy Stick?
<ec> :x
<prophile> nope
<ec> fuck me I've got nothin'
<ec> YAM
<ec> YANKEE DOODLE
<incomprehensibly> xylophone something
<ec> YARD O' BEEF
<ec> YING YANG
<ec> Yogurt slinger
<ec> Yule log
<ec> Zamboni-baloney
<ec> Zipper-ripper
* ec throws down mic
<ec> ec out.
<incomprehensibly> clapcalpcalp
* incomprehensibly claps
<vil> <massive applause>
<incomprehensibly> -clap
<incomprehensibly> we need applause bot command
<ec> this beer is revolting
<ec> and I need to pee AGAIN
<vil> that was possibly the most impressive thing I've ever witnessed on the Internet
<prophile> that
<prophile> was
<prophile> remarkable
<prophile> truly remarkable
<ec> and I never want to hear any word for penis except “penis” ever ever again
<incomprehensibly> this needs to be saved for posterity in some way
<incomprehensibly> ec: hahaha
<vil> this must go on the quote blog
<vil> someone else do it, I'm too lazy
<vil> and my log formatting is weird anyway
<ec> now somebody write me a Paws
<ec> I feel like that's only fair play
<prophile> alexgordon: I nominate you
<alexgordon> okay
<alexgordon> not today
<alexgordon> lol
<vil> ec: you MUST name versions of Paws after penis euphamism
<purr> lol
<vil> s
<ec> I think alexgordon tuned out ages ago
<incomprehensibly> spotify:track:20S8wTmjhGuapgIJwfT2LQ
<incomprehensibly> -song take it easy (love nothing)
<vil> Android has confections
<purr> incomprehensibly: “Take It Easy (Love Nothing)” by Bright Eyes: <http://tinysong.com/ivt7>, “Take It Easy (Love Nothing)” by The String Quartet: <http://tinysong.com/19qWE>, “Gold Mine Gutted (Her Space Holiday remix)” by Bright Eyes: <http://tinysong.com/ivt1>
<vil> we have dick jokes
<ec> ♪ suite 3 C major prelude
<purr> ec is listening to “Suite No. 3 in C major, BWV 1009. I Prelude”, by Johann Sebastian Bach
<vil> god, I haven't watched TWiT in AGES
<prophile> -song shaft
<purr> prophile: “Give It Away (In Progress)” by Red Hot Chili Peppers: <http://tinysong.com/Fwuv>, “If You Have To Ask (Friday Nig” by Red Hot Chili Peppers: <http://tinysong.com/Cth7>, “Theme From Shaft” by Isaac Hayes: <http://tinysong.com/jhSQ>
<ec> ♪ suite 3 C major prelude zuill bailey
<purr> ec is listening to “Suite No.3 in C major BWV 1009 Prelude”, by Zuill Bailey
<prophile> the last one
<ec> ↑ that is what I've been listening to
<ec> perfet mood-music for penis euphamisms
<vil> ♪ Escape Netsky
<purr> vil is listening to “Escape (feat. Darrison)”, by Netsky
<ec> vil: re: Paws versions,
<ec> done 'n done.
<ec> oooo, never did the numbers
<prophile> alexgordon: transmit me logs
<ec> 100% All-Beef Bangers 'n Mash
<alexgordon> prophile: whitequark has logs
<ec> 21st Digit
<incomprehensibly> nooo
<incomprehensibly> lol
<alexgordon> a server
<prophile> whitequark: logs?
<ec> 3rd Eye
<alexgordon> prophile: also
<alexgordon> -logs
<purr> alexgordon: `curl -Lr -`bc <<<'2 ^ 16'` http://ell.io/logs | tail +2 | less -RS`
<prophile> lovely
<ec> 4-eyed best-friend
<ec> 5 in the pie
<ec> (Fisting reference? something? idfk?)
<ec> 6th Squiggle Stick
<ec> 7th Heaven
<ec> 8 a dick. (homonyms.)
<ec> 9 … something god damnit I don't knwo
<ec> The AIDS Grenade
<vil> ♪ Must Destroy Figure
<purr> vil is listening to “Must Destroy (Droptek Remix)”, by Figure
<vil> no purr why
<ec> Axolotl
<vil> THIS IS REALLY GOOD http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Must+Destroy/4DKkTU?src=5
<vil> especially about half-way through
<vil> (well, terrible-good)
<ec> Babymaker, bacon rod, bagpipe, the Bald Avenger or the Bald Butler, bayonet
<ec> OKAY GOD
<ec> somebody give me something constructive to do with my time
<ec> BATTERING RAM
<ec> BEANSTALK
<ec> BEARDED BURGLAR
<ec> BEAVER BUSTER
<ec> BEEF BELT BUCKLE
<vil> I think he's stuck
<ec> ;_;
* vil pokes ec with a stick
<ec> a boom-stick?
<vil> …I just realized that I did e<tab> instead of just ec. I have a tab-completion problem
<ec> (boy-brush)
<vil> ec: <3
<ec> (bosnian beefstick)
<incomprehensibly> ec: i have been drunk
<incomprehensibly> want the not very exciting story
<ec> YES
<ec> I do
<incomprehensibly> :D
<ec> anything but this
<ec> I need to order pizza
<ec> hold on
<incomprehensibly> ok
<ec> -g Pauly's Pizzaria Chicago
<purr> ec: Paulys Pizzeria <http://paulyspizza.com/>
<ec> somebody order me a pizza
<ec> jesus. 'm really, *really* tired.
<ec> I bet we could uses these to teach Purr what “dick-ish” euphamisms are
<ec> and get him to generate them randomly
<incomprehensibly> hahah
<ec> feed him enough, bayes classifier?
<vil> whenever someone says one, respond with another?
<ec> yahhhhhh
<ec> man too lazy for this shit
<ec> jesus
<ec> (Cock-a-saurus Rex)
<incomprehensibly> ec: i honestly want to see you write a novel
<ec> I'd write the worst novel
<devyn> ec: dick-ish euphemisms?
<ec> it'd have waaaaaaaaay too many penises
<devyn> ec: as in euphemisms for dicks?
<ec> “dick-euphemaism”-ish phrases
<devyn> hmmmm I think I could apply markov chaining to that :)
<incomprehensibly> i was thinking it would have a lot of really good wordplay and a wide range of reference
<ec> if you need more data, just let me know ;)
<incomprehensibly> thinking strossy and palahniuk-ey
<ec> but all I wanna do is make a programming language and then build websites ;_;
<devyn> I'm currently dreaming up maru again, of all things
<incomprehensibly> ec: haha
<ec> maru?
<ec> paws >:
<ec> so lonely.
<ec> empty condo.
<incomprehensibly> ec: drunkstory?
<devyn> ec: yeah, basically extremely flexible compute-sharing platform
<ec> curl $URL | wc -l
<ec> 390.
<devyn> ec: the primary idea behind it is different from everything else, I think, so far, in that the idea is that basically you could run things for your friends and they'd run things for you, automatically… so, pooling compute resources. but it's flexible, so it can also be set up in a not-so-gifty way
<ec> Guys. That's a big number. I feel perversely accomplished.
<ec> micahjohnston: privmsg?
<ec> devyn: interesting, kinda. ish. idk.
<devyn> ec: you could set it up with either a virtual or real economy if you want to; it's not specified but it's flexible enough to allow that
<ec> BUT WAHY
<prophile> ec: it's >390
<prophile> you did a few on multiple lines
<ec> from 1:28 to 2:31
<prophile> over the course of an hour you came up with over 400 penis euphemisms, in alphabetical order
<ec> so, ish, that's six a minute
<ec> I wonder if I can beat that rate
<prophile> heh, beat
<ec> need to write a penis-eumphamism-timing-function
<ec> oh god I've corrupted the minds of everyone in this channel *even more*
<devyn> ec: why are these for the most part in alphabetical order
<ec> shit. I just realized, that list is going to live for eternity.
<devyn> what
<ec> devyn: that was the joke.
<ec> devyn: they asked me to do it in alphabetical order.
<devyn> awesome
<devyn> hahahaha
<ec> … it wouldn't have been so impressive otherwise. you msised this *entire thing*.
<ec> seriously, this is going to destroy my reputation.
<devyn> yeah I didn't care enough to scroll up :)
<ec> I'm gonna be the guy who did *that*.
<ec> for the rest of my life.
<incomprehensibly> ec: or cement it
<ec> man, fml, bbl pizza.
<ec> man, I got *good* about halfway in
<ec> I get way, way better around the M's and onward
<ec> then again, there's a lot of material (hehe) in M and P.
<ec> paws? anybody?
<ec> code?
<ec> things that *aren't* penises?
<alexgordon> like salami?
<ec> Confession: I've had a pickle sitting next to me this entire time.
<ec> Turns out, alcohol + pickle = alliterative superpowers.
<devyn> <3
<vil> just realized that it is in fact FRIDAY night
<vil> which means that sleep is not required
<ec> can i make you write a paws vil?
<ec> >:
<devyn> grr why did my domain renewal cost so much
<vil> ec: probably not right now, no
<ec> sadest
<ec> saddest
<vil> I really need to focus on this app as much as possible
<vil> because it's my only hope for non-manual-labor income this summer
<devyn> I think I got this domain for like $9/yr. and the renewal was frickin' $19/yr.
<devyn> >____>
<sanitypassing> because they know you'll pay for it.
<devyn> not necessarily, I could just as easily transfer somewhere else
<sanitypassing> that's true
<devyn> but I didn't
<sanitypassing> but not true for everyone
<incomprehensibly> vil: it's summer; sleep is never required
<vil> incomprehensibly: haha
<sanitypassing> a lot of people probably just renew with them because it takes less time
<vil> I try to keep normal hours
<sanitypassing> so they charge more because they know that most users will just pay the extra
<devyn> well, I'm actually pretty happy with their service, and they let me pay with bitcoin ^_^
<vil> because I'm most productive for the whole day if I start exactly at six am
<sanitypassing> who is your registar anyway?
<devyn> namecheap
<sanitypassing> I see.
<sanitypassing> I've heard a lot of good things about them
<sanitypassing> all I've ever used was GoDaddy though
<sanitypassing> ... which is a bad idea
<vil> I'm using iwantmyname right now
<sanitypassing> terrible service
<sanitypassing> also, expensive
<vil> it's been awesome so far
<sanitypassing> cost me $20 to register a .org domain
<vil> and they have an absolutely massive selection of TLDs
<devyn> there's no .yn tld so I don't care :p
<sanitypassing> heh.
<sanitypassing> dev.yn I assume?
<devyn> lol of course
<purr> lol
<vil> I want vil.io but ios are so expensive
<devyn> there's no .ns either… if there were I might do devyn.cair.ns
<sanitypassing> I wonder if I could get my name in a URL like that
<devyn> oh well I'm happy with devyn.me
<devyn> better than devyn.tk ;)
<sanitypassing> yeah
<sanitypassing> I need to get off my ass and get a domain
<sanitypassing> ha, I can get my name!
<devyn> sanitypassing: yeah but in doing so you'd be supporting nigeria
<sanitypassing> sanitypassing isn't my name. :P
<devyn> haha ok
<sanitypassing> I'm talking about alexand.er
<devyn> .me is montenegro, though…
<devyn> heh
<sanitypassing> .er is a domain
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<sanitypassing> for Eritrea
<incomprehensibly> aw alexgordon
<devyn> I'm surprised that isn't domain hacked
<sanitypassing> except apparently no one can register it
<devyn> maybe they don't let people register
<devyn> ah
<devyn> yeah
<sanitypassing> which makes me sad
<sanitypassing> because alexand.er would be cool
<vil> and vilhalm.er
<sanitypassing> well maybe not.
<sanitypassing> Alexander is kinda a silly looking name.
<devyn> buttfuck.er
<sanitypassing> haha
<devyn> KILL.ER assassination services!
<sanitypassing> that would be an amazing domain to own
<sanitypassing> both of those
<ec> you can register eritrean domains
<sanitypassing> Wikipedia lied to me!
<ec> time to watch a tee vee
<ec> ai think ,abyeyea,b
<ec> or maybe drunkcode
<ec> verdict, drunkpaws: better, or worse, than soberpaws?
<ec> micah i spec'd the boring part of Paws again
<ec> but better this time, ish
<ec> still have some to go
<joelteon> so guys
<joelteon> I gotta figure out how to control a macro
<joelteon> in C
<ec> hi joelteon
<ec> and how do you mean
<joelteon> hi
<purr> joelteon: hi!
<joelteon> ok
<joelteon> so
<joelteon> i have to start the macro and stop the macro
<joelteon> and while the macro is running it just presses one key at a predetermined speed
<joelteon> the problem is stopping and starting an infinite loop
<joelteon> I used NSTimer
<joelteon> in the past
<vil> um
<vil> nsrunloop of some sort?
<vil> dunno if that's pure c or not
<vil> haven't gotten there yet
<joelteon> it's not
<joelteon> I had to run the CF run loop myself
<joelteon> well
<joelteon> it is
<joelteon> but it's annoying
<vil> bleh
<vil> um
<joelteon> C has a stack limit
<joelteon> should I just goto?
<vil> off-topic, I freaking love Google: http://www.google.com/loon/how/
<joelteon> I'm thinking have a "macroing" static bool
<joelteon> and when the user presses the key, macroing = true and macro()
<joelteon> and then while macroing = true
<joelteon> recurse/for loop
<vil> that sounds reasonable
<vil> in another thread I presume
<joelteon> it's not working so well
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<joelteon> I could use pthreads
<joelteon> that loop infinitely
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<vil> ♪ Sendai Song Logistics
<purr> vil is listening to “Sendai Song”, by Logistics
<joelteon> yeah, pthreads will do it
<vil> and with that, I bid you all goognight
<vil> and also goodnight
<vil> joelteon: yay!
<vil> o7
<ec> WAIT
<ec> WAIT WAIT vil
<ec> I'M BACK
<ec> WAS TALKING TO A 17-YEAR-OLD BOY IN PRIVATE CHAT ABOUT HIS SUBBY-NESS
<ec> -clouds
<purr> ec: is stuck up in the clouds; hilight 'em if you want 'em.
<ec> joelteon: … “macro?” I thought you mean CPP macro. Now I'm confused.
<ec> project loon? is this for real?
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<devyn> ec: …about his subby-ness
<devyn> as in submissiveness?
<devyn> lol micah submissive
<purr> lol
<ec> wrong boy, devyn
<ec> micah's a man now, anyway
<ec> got drunk, or so I hear
<devyn> haha
<devyn> but micah's totally a sub :3
<ec> no way.
<ec> with the pants, and all?
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> jk.
<devyn> <3 micahjohnston
<purr> Let it be known that devyn hearts micahjohnston.
<ec> --pants
<ec> -pants
<purr> ec: +o means pants
<devyn> god a bitcoin share is only worth 155 satoshis now :/
<devyn> the going PPS rate, anyway
<devyn> I had forgotten I still had like 0.009 something on 50btc and I want to clean that out so I have to mine to 0.1
<devyn> this used to be way easier
<devyn> lol
<ec> bitcoin share?
<ec> 50btc?
<devyn> as in a proof of work calc for mining
<devyn> difficulty 1 share, anyway
<devyn> 50btc is a pool
<ec> is 20,000,000 really the maximum bitcoins ever?
<devyn> 21 million but yeah
<ec> … $US 0.0001535
<ec> … ¢US .01535
<devyn> what?
<devyn> what is lol
<purr> lol
<ec> .015¢
<ec> that share.
<ec> 115sat
<ec> sorry, 155*
<devyn> yeah, but I can generate ~8.3 shares/min
<devyn> when I started it was 500sat/share, which was significantly more worth it
<devyn> like $6/24h haha
* ec nods
<devyn> hey, it paid for eboy's domain, and my domain renewal, so definitely wasn't a waste!
<devyn> and I still have about 0.78
<devyn> this is /all/ from mining
<ec> hahaha
* ec nods
<devyn> also electricity is super-cheap here and I'm not paying for it anyway ^_^
* ec is watching ReGenesis 1x01 <http://gomiso.com/r/2C4Qr>
<devyn> hmmm…
<devyn> that is a very diverse cast lol
<purr> lol
<ec> Ellen Page? LOLWAT
<devyn> haha
<ec> oh my god
<ec> it's 4real, that's ellen page on my screen
<ec> waitwhat
<ec> Ellen Page actually acted in *important shit*!?
<ec> that was ellen page in Inception? and Juno?
<ec> oh my god I never knew that was the same person
<ec> MIND BLOWN.
<ec> Kitty Pryde!?
<ec> wow. I'm genuinely impressed.
<ec> How do you *come back* from being “That high girl in that Apple ad?”
<ec> She managed to become famous enough that they don't even mention the Apple ad in her Wikipedia page. Wow.
<ec> Just, wow.
<ec> OH WAIT I'M A DUMBASS
<ec> Ellen Page ≠ Ellen Feiss.
<devyn> I'm more surprised that you would know she's the high girl in the apple ad
<ec> I'm just, gonna go … over here … and be dumb for a while.
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> oh, it was a big thing, never mind
<devyn> I wasn't really… internetting… that far back
<devyn> why you may ask? I was six. I was still learning DOS commands.
<ec> “As of January 2007, she was in college, and planning to major in either photography and video or women's studies.”
<ec> oh, my god, you were *six* when the Feiss commerical aired!?
<ec> fuck *me* that was Powerbook G4 days.
<devyn> :)
<devyn> I like making people feel old
<ec> I feel even more old now, than when I realized Micah was graduating nearly ten years after I did.
<devyn> it's fun
<ec> lol the google 404 is pretty great, actually.
<devyn> it is
<ec> “404. (That's an error.)”
<devyn> it's kinda snarky
<ec> Title: “Error 404 (Not Found)!!1”
<devyn> which is good
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<devyn> google is about geek culture, apple is about hip/counterculture; they both always have been. this is to be expected
<devyn> except apple turned counterculture into actual culture so
<devyn> :p
<ec> time to watch this mediocre, old TV show.
<ec> :D
<ec> audy: IS THAT. BEARD. FOR REAL.
<Nuck> I will blow anyone who can gey YCM to fucking work ;~;
<ec> Nuck: wait, do I know you through Katie?
<ec> just realized you're both DeviantART related.
<ec> isn't Navarr, too, somehow?
<Nuck> Huh?
<Nuck> ec: Does Katie hang out on deviantART chat?
<ec> no clue? she works for dA
<ec> or did, until today
<Nuck> If so, the answer is "probably yes, but neither of us knew"
<Nuck> Oh
<Nuck> ec: What's her username?
<Nuck> I know enough of the dA staff
<Nuck> I once cursed out their CEO in a public channel~
<joelteon> guys
<joelteon> guys
<ec> no idea
<ec> girls
<joelteon> can you get the pid from a popen call
<Nuck> I... don't know
<Nuck> The last popen I did was in lua, and the answer there was no
<joelteon> popin'
<ec> favourite photo of micah EVER. http://ell.io/icHsz
<devyn> he looks a bit buzzed
<devyn> and very excited
<ec> bbl shitty tv, since Paws is done for the evening
<Nuck> devyn: He's Mormon, he can't drink
<joelteon> wow
<devyn> Nuck: he drank
<joelteon> is that what micah looks like
<devyn> Nuck: also he's ex-
<Nuck> devyn: No, he just gets drunk on the word of God.
<ec> no, he definitely drank
<joelteon> ugh
<joelteon> also
<ec> got told all the gory details
<ec> was graaaaaate
<joelteon> I should stop leaving protein shake in my cup
<devyn> ec: HOLY FUCK THAT IS BEAUTIFUL
<Nuck> grate?
<joelteon> for three days
<ec> devyn: wat
<devyn> that document
<ec> how so
<devyn> I love it
<ec> o_O
<ec> er
<devyn> it's just well formatted
<ec> that's … nice …
<devyn> haha
<ec> oh! thank you. it's not, really.
<ec> it's, like, thirty seconds of effort.
<joelteon> yeah shut up with your compliments
<joelteon> you're gay
<ec> if I ever make a real spec, it'll be much more beautiful.
<ec> anyway. SPEC. PAWS. Getting there.
<ec> I finally roped alexgordon into helping me spec it out.
<ec> devyn: gmail addy so I can add you to the doc?
<devyn> I know, but this is consistent enough and syntax highlighting
<devyn> devyn.cairns@gmail.com
<ec> it's not syntax hilighted
<ec> just elliott-hilighted
<devyn> I know
<devyn> :p
<devyn> it's still good
<devyn> this reminds me of when we used to do things on Wave…
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<ec> lol devyn right?
<purr> lol
<joelteon> right
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: that girl is the girl who liked me and then stuff etc.
<incomprehensibly> ELLIOTTCABLE: next to me in that photo
* ec nods
<ec> better taste than Ken-doll
<incomprehensibly> she is such a cute person
<incomprehensibly> ;_;
<incomprehensibly> anyway
<devyn> I take it things happened and then they didn't
<incomprehensibly> devyn: i'm more dommy actually
<ec> yeah, she's kinda adorbs
<joelteon> who is
<devyn> I agree
<joelteon> who are you talking about
<joelteon> what's going on
<devyn> incomprehensibly: haha, I was joking because I'm kind of subby myself… :p
<incomprehensibly> Nuck: devyn: joelteon: welll I didn't drnink the day of graduation
<incomprehensibly> I wasn't drunk in that photo
<joelteon> oh
<Nuck> hahaha
<incomprehensibly> I just have bad hat-hair from graduation hat
<ec> incomprehensibly, devyn: I've gotta go, but I've got a favour to ask:
<joelteon> oh that bitch
<joelteon> she's aight
<incomprehensibly> and just graduated
<incomprehensibly> so
<incomprehensibly> devyn: no no things happened with her really
<incomprehensibly> we went to a dance but
<ec> you already know most of Paws. gist-up some spec for stuff you don't see yet written in that document?
<ec> nothing in-depth. just a start.
<devyn> incomprehensibly: I was going to say 'those mountains in the background' look really fake… then I realized they were part of the sign
<ec> halp me get this doooone.
<joelteon> haha
<incomprehensibly> devyn: haha
<Nuck> Hmm
<joelteon> "mom i need fake mountains for my picture"
<incomprehensibly> the camera is looking west or something i guess
<Nuck> Anyone here familiar with YCM configs?
<devyn> also I placed that end quotation mark oddly
<incomprehensibly> or north
<devyn> lolwut
<purr> lolwut
<incomprehensibly> where the mountains are not as impressive
<incomprehensibly> looking east where i live the mountains are huge
<ec> lol “huge”
<ec> silly rockies
<ec> l2alaska ;)
<incomprehensibly> lol
<ec> devyn: realtalk, I'm so glad you like my pretty ebnf
<devyn> honestly that reminds me of the okanagan since I can't see any huge mountains
<ec> I love clarity and pretty and whee
<devyn> :)
<ec> and I genuinely thought it was pretty clear
<incomprehensibly> ec: haha I forget that you are friends with me on facebook and can see all of my photos
<ec> bold for EBNF syntax directions, italics for non-terminals, green for terminals.
<incomprehensibly> there currently do not exist any drunkphotos of me though
<ec> turned out rearry prerrty
<ec> incomprehensibly: ;)
<devyn> he's friends with me on facebook too but I'm pretty sure he doesn't stalk me because I'm boring and stuff
<incomprehensibly> haha
<ec> I don't stalk *anybody*
<ec> it just scrolled by in my Facebook stream
<ec> something about something
<ec> man, I hate facebook
<devyn> incomprehensibly: anyway you went to a dance but…
<Nuck> https://gist.github.com/5786972 Somebody figure out why this .ycm_extra_conf.py ain't working :S
<incomprehensibly> devyn: and she really liked me but i was interested in kendal at the time
<devyn> oh I think I remember now
<devyn> yeah
<incomprehensibly> and then kendal and i broke up a few months ago and i became really interested in her
<incomprehensibly> but she is now with some other guy
<incomprehensibly> so
<ec> ec out.
<devyn> :/
<devyn> that's sad
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<incomprehensibly> yeah
<incomprehensibly> she's soo cuutttee
<incomprehensibly> anyway
<joelteon> haha
<joelteon> you can't win
<incomprehensibly> eah :p
<incomprehensibly> yeah*
<incomprehensibly> devyn: i'm friends with you too :p
<incomprehensibly> and i am vaguely aware of the happenings in your life
<incomprehensibly> well i gtg sleep soon
<devyn> haha
<devyn> okay
<devyn> bye incomprehensibly
<incomprehensibly> bye
<incomprehensibly> <3
<devyn> :)
<devyn> <3
<joelteon> bye
<incomprehensibly> bye joelteon
<joelteon> i can feel it
<joelteon> i'm about to go to the gym
<joelteon> yeah that sounds like a good idea
<joelteon> i'll go to the gym, come back home, and play ratchet and clank until 3 AM
<joelteon> friday night bitches
* jeannicolas is listening to "Hangar 18" by "Megadeth" from the album "Rust in Peace" [5:12]
<Nuck> joelteon: Highfive for Ratchet And Clank.
<Nuck> I love those games
<Nuck> The GTK hacked-on object system has driven me to hungarian notation ;_;
<Nuck> Because there's no static typing beyond "GtkWidget"
<devyn> haha
<joelteon> Nuck: them and Sly Cooper
<joelteon> I also have the mass effect series but it's not nearly as fun as R&C
<Nuck> joelteon: See, I always associated R&C with Jak & Daxter
<joelteon> Yeah
<joelteon> I never played that series
<Nuck> The original, later games just blew it
<joelteon> >original, later games
<joelteon> ??
<Nuck> I'm saying that I'm referring to the original because the later games blew it
<joelteon> Oh
<Nuck> I have the entire R&C series soundtracks on my laptop
<joelteon> >soundtracks
<joelteon> I have the soundtracks inside the game on my PS3
<joelteon> Actually, yeah, I didn't think about they
<Nuck> The soundtracks are great for coding to
<joelteon> that
<joelteon> but the soundtracks are good too
<joelteon> I like the Todano one
<Nuck> I haven't even listened to it all
<Nuck> It's like 12 hours of music >_>
<Nuck> I just got it in a big batch torrent
<joelteon> I need to get the newer games
<Nuck> Last one I played was Up Your Arsenal
<Nuck> Because we don't have anything except a PS2
<joelteon> Same
<joelteon> Apparently the Future games are good
<joelteon> Same stuff, just better
<Nuck> I've heard the same
<joelteon> I'm gonna go buy them tomorrow
<Nuck> They didn't try to break free of their formula, which I'm happy about
<joelteon> Yeah, the super-new ones apparently did
<joelteon> but I'll just pretend they didn't exist
<Nuck> haha
<joelteon> I'm kind of afraid of playing Deadlocked though
<Nuck> Why?
<joelteon> because apparently the weapon upgrade system
<joelteon> You have to choose which part of the weapon to upgrade
<joelteon> And you can't upgrade them all fully
<joelteon> And that just sounds like the 6th circle of hell
<devyn> whoa chrome dev channel update magically fixed all of the problems I was having
<Nuck> hahaha
<Nuck> Oh man I'd shoot myself
<joelteon> I'll check it out
<Nuck> By the end of Up Your Arsenal I had everything up to the max level
<joelteon> I hope that's not it
<joelteon> Well, yeah, that's what the games are for
<joelteon> I had it 100% completed within 36 hours
<joelteon> so I started a new game
<Nuck> Usually 3 levels in, I had my favorite weapons maxed out
<joelteon> yeah
<joelteon> Ratchet looks scarier in Deadlocked
<joelteon> I like that
<Nuck> Aw damn my brother's probably gonna take the PS2 when he moves out, along with the R&C games
<Nuck> I'm gonna need to repurchase some of that when I move out I think
<joelteon> "All of the weapons in Deadlocked can be upgraded to level 10"
<joelteon> okay good
<joelteon> Oh, man
<joelteon> there's only 10 weapons in it
<joelteon> Ooh, the SuperNova is like a combination of the Zodiac and the RYNOCIRATOR
<joelteon> That sounds sick
<joelteon> And Future has the RYNO IV
<devyn> uh
<joelteon> Holy shit
<joelteon> And A Crack In Time has the RYNO V
<joelteon> Ok I literally have to buy these games
<devyn> bearded guy speaking old icelandic, other guy speaking modern icelandic, hilarity ensues
<devyn> including molestation
<joelteon> Nuck: You can upgrade weapons in Deadlocked to level 99
<Nuck> Oooooooh
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<devyn> so
<devyn> I'm brainstorming on paper… http://cl.ly/PeQB
<devyn> o_o
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<purr> <joelteon> I say parser in a relative sense
<devyn> we must avoid the 4 at all costs because it sounds too much like 死
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<Nuck> Woo, got the GUI for testing my battery indicator built. I'm actually not hating GTK so much anymore.
<Nuck> Perhaps this is Stockholme Syndrome?
<devyn> Nuck: only fags spell Stockholm with an e at the end, wtf
<Nuck> oh
<devyn> :)
<Nuck> devyn: Shut up, I'm in GTK, nigga. My brain isn't working right.
<Nuck> That should have been sufficiently clear from the fact that I'm writing this in C to eventually port to Lua
<devyn> uh
<devyn> …uh
<devyn> wat.
<Nuck> I'm not experienced in the Lua implementation of Cairo
<Nuck> But I *am* experiencedin the C interface for Cairo
<Nuck> So, as weird as it may be, I'm implementing my batter indicator in C, to eventually port it to Lua
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<joelteon> haha
<joelteon> oh purr
<joelteon> thank you for quoting me
<joelteon> now i matter
<devyn> joelteon: wut.
<purr> beep.
<devyn> sigh
<devyn> should sleep now.
<joelteon> fuck that
<joelteon> stay up and write code with me
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<Nuck> Shit yeah
<Nuck> Almost done with muh battery indicator~
<Nuck> Woooooooo
<Nuck> Still gotta throw the text in there, which means some more advanced maskbuilding, but otherwise done
<joelteon> MASKS
<Nuck> What about them?
<Nuck> (other than the fact that they're fucking awesome, or that they're the basic building block of Cairo)
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<purr> <dxgriffiths> Variadic declare, it's like 'fire photon torpedoes'.
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<purr> <whitequark> chews a toast.
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<purr> <devyn> “This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today.”
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<purr> <elliottcable> If you mention CoffeeScript, I'm going to slap you with my tornado.
<alexgordon> wat
<alexgordon> where's that google doc from yesterday
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<ec> hiiii allll
<ec> jeannicolas: 'round these parts, we use ♪.
<ec> -clouds
<purr> ec: is stuck up in the clouds; hilight 'em if you want 'em.
<incomprehensibly> hi ec
<ec> devyn, incomprehensibly: I'M YOUR FRIENDS TOOSES
<incomprehensibly> lol it doesn't highlight me when you say incomprehensibly, ec
<purr> lol
<incomprehensibly> stupid irssi
<jeannicolas> yeaaah I was too drunk to type that musical note
<incomprehensibly> hi jeannicolas <3
<jeannicolas> hey there!
<ec> @purr: <dxgriffiths> Variadic declare, it's like 'fire photon torpedoes'.
<ec> awwwwwwwwww good memories
<purr> lolwat
<ec> devyn: lolwat re: going to space
<ec> alexgordon: you just wat'd a wat. well played.
<ec> alexgordon: ↑
<incomprehensibly> ec: http://xkcd.com/1133/
<ec> jeannicolas: -song!
<alexgordon> lol
<ec> MAX
<ec> MAX ON MAH TEEVEE
<ec> MAX MAX MAX
<ec> MAXXIE MAXXIE MAX
<incomprehensibly> ec: whe
<ec> SO MANY MAX
<ec> HAPPIEST FAIS
<ec> incomprehensibly: you know Natasha, right?
<ec> I think you two would be excellent friends
<ec> I feel like Natasha would love you <3
<ec> IAmTash*
<ec> sorry, forgot she'd been in here
<incomprehensibly> heh
<incomprehensibly> i remember her
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<ec> alexgordon: so hi
<ec> incomprehensibly: also you hi
<alexgordon> hi
<purr> alexgordon: hi!
<alexgordon> watching le tennis
<ec> lol @ tv shows
<ec> “Scribbling in yellow marker on transparent whiteboards” == Science™
<ec> who the fuck writes on *transparent* boards? I mean, seriously.
<ec> No contrast, Makes it more difficult to read.
<ec> Slows comprehension and scanning.
<ec> COME ON TEEVEE.
<ec> alexgordon: Paws? Talk? C'mmonnzoozz
<alexgordon> ec: reading
<incomprehensibly> ok now incomprehensibly is higlighted
<incomprehensibly> someone say it
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly
<incomprehensibly> yay
<incomprehensibly> worked
<alexgordon> ec: alphabetical pussy names, NOW!
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<ec> nope
<ec> only paws
<niggler> lol what's this mystical place?
<purr> lol
<ec> niggler: the land where purr plays playfully, and puppies Paws patter placidly through pale passageways of porn
<alexgordon> hi niggler
<ec> niggler: don't you read /topics?
<niggler> hey alexgordon
<alexgordon> niggler: also dick names
<niggler> ec: " Puppy paws patter placidly through the pale passageways ..."
<ec> -34 @ niggler
<alexgordon> -find love
<purr> ec: (You're a dick.)
<purr> niggler: Here. <http://bit.ly/18KH8Md> [NSFW]
<purr> alexgordon: A strong emotion of regard, of the kind humans sometimes express toward one another and computational knowledge engines express toward the internet.
<ec> I forgot to give it an argument. What's it gonna have come up with!?
<incomprehensibly> who is niggler
* niggler is niggler
<alexgordon> this is loading so slow
<ec> incomprehensibly: guy who asked me to add CoffeeScript and ICS to purr
<ec> which is a reasonable request, I believe
<ec> would have to audit CS for security, though.
<incomprehensibly> ok
<ec> what the fuck IS this, alexgordon
<ec> wonder woman
<ec> anyway.
<alexgordon> ec: oh you watching it?
<alexgordon> it's awesome, pity they didn't make any more episodes
<niggler> -help
<ec> watching what?
<ec> ReGenesis?
<alexgordon> ec: wonder woman?
<ec> nolol
<purr> nolol
<ec> that was the porn purr came up with
<ec> -commands @ niggler
<purr> niggler: Valid commands are: --, -34, -best, -commands, -countdown, -dequeue, -dick, -factoid, -find, -forget, -g, -hates, -learn, -loves, -play, -purr, -queue, -sol, -song, -start, -stop, -topic, -twister, -uncode, -what, -whohates, -wholoves
<alexgordon> oh right
<alexgordon> ec: well you should watch wonder woman
<ec> that list is incomplete as fuck
<ec> most of purr isn't in commands
<purr> Right hand on green!
<alexgordon> -twister
<alexgordon> :D
<ec> he's just basically sentient ;)
<alexgordon> -twister
<purr> Left hand on red!
<niggler> -find niggler
<purr> niggler: Could not find `niggler`.
<niggler> aww
<alexgordon> -find alexgordon
<purr> alexgordon: He's a bassoon.
<alexgordon> :D
<alexgordon> -find elliott
<purr> alexgordon: literally a worse villain than Edward the Sparkly Vampire. boo hiss
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<alexgordon> -find sephr
<purr> alexgordon: http://sephr.com/about
<alexgordon> boring
<ec> oh my god shuttup gq
<alexgordon> -find gq
<purr> alexgordon: genderqueer
<niggler> -find niggl
<purr> niggler: Could not find `niggl`.
<niggler> -find nig.gl
<purr> niggler: Could not find `nig.gl`.
<niggler> aww
<alexgordon> -find gqbrielle
<purr> alexgordon: she is not devyn (I think.)
<ec> OH MY GOD IS THAT WHAT GQ MEANS
<ec> I NEVER FUCKING PROCESSED THAT
<alexgordon> :D
<alexgordon> -find ec
<purr> alexgordon: literally a worse villain than Edward the Sparkly Vampire. boo hiss
<alexgordon> huh
<alexgordon> -find micah
<purr> alexgordon: http://ell.io/ifI8A
<ec> -learn sephr = plainly purple-pantséd people-porker
<purr> ec: Learned `sephr`.
<ec> okay we're done with this game
<ec> leave poor purr alone
<niggler> -purr
* purr
<alexgordon> -find paws
<purr> alexgordon: <http://ell.io/iksN9>
<alexgordon> ec: so, semantics
* ec grins
<ec> the next step, is to talk about Masks.
<niggler> somewhere between slightly and very OT: anyone familiar with google analytics?
<ec> sure
<ec> and nothing is off-topic in here except politics and religion
<ec> and PHP, I don't allow PHP
<niggler> so basically, someone ripped my github demop
<niggler> and used it rather than the version from the master
<niggler> and i know this because the version in gh-pages has the google analytics blob
<niggler> and because i saw a bunch of strange entries from this week
<niggler> any way to figure out more about the person (like what IP)?
<ec> LOL
<purr> LOL
<niggler> my google fu fails me
<niggler> but i see stuffl ike /apex/DetectFileType?core.apexpages.devmode.url=1
<niggler> show up as a landing page
<niggler> so someone is using it for something called apex
<niggler> -find apex
<purr> niggler: Could not find `apex`.
<niggler> what does find do btw?
<ec> finds factoids
<ec> -find e
<purr> ec: Found: bot, test, clouds, nuck, and disapprove
<ec> -find woo
<purr> ec: Found: subwoofer and canadian
<incomprehensibly> flatworms absorb the knowledge of other flatworms when they eat them
<ec> -find ale
<purr> ec: Found: everyone, alexgordon, sex, darkf, and you’re next
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: wat.
<purr> beep.
<purr> niggler: I am female.
<niggler> -find sex
<ec> what
<ec> fucking lies
<ec> -learn sex = I'm a fuckin' dude. Cock, balls, tit—er, pecs. Whole nine yards.
<purr> ec: Learned `sex`.
<incomprehensibly> ec: WHOA GQ
<ec> -learn alias gender = sex
<purr> ec: Learned `gender` => `sex`.
<ec> incomprehensibly: RIGHT.
<ec> incomprehensibly: MIND BLOWN
<incomprehensibly> genderqueerbrieyah
<ec> right. mind blown.
<ec> -find gqb
<purr> ec: Found: gqbrielle, everything, :), gaga, and gqbrill
<ec> -gqbrill
<purr> ec: sh is nog devyn (I ghink.)
<ec> wat
<ec> -factoid gqbrill
<purr> ec: Popularity: 2, last changed by: devyn, 295ſ 290mſ ago
<ec> -factoid gqbrielle
<purr> ec: Popularity: 16, last changed by: devyn, 295ſ 393mſ ago
<ec> anyway.
<alexgordon> ec, incomprehensibly: you guys are so slow
<ec> alexgordon: Here?
<alexgordon> I haven't gone anywhere in the last 3 seconds
<incomprehensibly> bbiab
<ec> OKAY
<ec> MASK
* Determinist yawns, streches and grumbles
<ec> Determinist!
<Determinist> stretches*
<Determinist> ec!
<Determinist> mongodb is such a nice DB. too bad it's also the biggest pain in the ass there is.
<ec> “We've got some asshole out there, using babies as Ebola factories …”
<niggler> haha Determinist ++
<ec> niggler: gotta be prefix-form
<ec> ++Determinist
<ec> or <3 Determinist
<niggler> ++ Determinist
<purr> Let it be known that niggler loves Determinist.
<ec> need to make it compatible with postfix form
<ec> could either do that, or work on spec with alexgordon
<niggler> are you against post increment ec ?
<Determinist> why oh why can't we get a DB that supports sharding by multiple dimensions. i mean, this shit ain't cold fusion… somebody needs to make that shit already. encapsulate that complexity by denormalizing shit for you and scaling that horizontally. just create a new shardded collection per sharding index. sure, there's some write impact here, but with appends and journaling… this isn't such a big problem and sides, hardware is cheap.
<ec> lolwat
<purr> lolwat
<ec> -walloftext
<niggler> Determinist "this shit ain't cold fusion" which cold fusion?
<ec> Determinist: Don't talk for months, then come back?
* Determinist shrugs
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<alexgordon> COLD FUSION
<Determinist> i'm always around, really...
<alexgordon> the world needs more cold fusion
<niggler> oh man have you guys read voodoo science?
<Determinist> ec: told you, i'm setting up a new company. i'll link you guys up when we release the first alpha. i'm CTO, bitches :P
<ec> LOL
<Determinist> not the first time tho, so the "everybody does what I say" thing isn't floating my boat as much as it used to.
<ec> if (this.gqLearn++ > 10) {
<ec> context.channel.send_reply(context.sender, "I think you've had enough for one day.");
<niggler> Determinist that's so 1990s
<Determinist> yeah, i'm kidding
<Determinist> text doesn't convey tone very well
<Determinist> i've decided that watching GSL while coding pwns.
<Determinist> that, and koreans are a bit crazy. cool as fuck, but crazy.
<niggler> you'll have to explain what GSL is
<niggler> keep in mind I've spent the last five years in a box
<Determinist> pro league for starcraft 2
<Determinist> in a box?
<niggler> LOL and people watch that?
<purr> LOL
<niggler> -- Determinist
<purr> Let it be known that niggler is indifferent to Determinist.
<Determinist> -- niggler
<purr> Let it be known that Determinist hates niggler.
<niggler> -- Determinist
<purr> Let it be known that niggler hates Determinist.
<niggler> -- Determinist
<purr> Let it be known that niggler hates Determinist.
<ec> … lol.
<niggler> ++ Determinist
<purr> Let it be known that niggler is indifferent to Determinist.
<niggler> there's no "dislike" or "strongly dislike" ec ?
<Determinist> seriously tho, SC2 is awesome. show me another kinda sports where a single person does 300 things a minute.
<ec> you can use <3 and ಠ_ಠ for more direct versions
<niggler> ec I'm questioning the trichotomy
<Determinist> you know how people play SC2? normal people, like you or me. these guys micro manage units one by one. some seriously crazy shit.
<Determinist> attacking on 3 different fronts simultaneously, managing the economy at the same time, making more units… to me, these people are like robots.
<niggler> there's a great element of muscle memory
<Determinist> summary: stop hating and embrace the awesomeness
<niggler> you could learn to vim or emacs
<Determinist> i know vim, ain't the same ballpark :P
<Determinist> aight, fts, back to code. ttyl
<ec> lol “fts”
<purr> lol
<niggler> so what's your day job or whatever ec
<ec> none, right now
<niggler> school?
<ec> nope
<ec> dropped out a while back, though currently thinking of attending again
<niggler> so straight up bumming?
<ec> right now, I design programming languages
<niggler> are you … paid to design programming languageS?
<ec> nope
<ec> wish I was D:
<niggler> so how are you able to be online right now?
<ec> oh, I've plenty of money at the mo
<niggler> ah
<ec> more interested in making excellent things than finding employment … although that's slowly changing
<niggler> you have a year of runway?
<ec> sommat like that
<ec> I'm in Chicago, but thinking of looking for work on the West Coast. Great dev communities in Seattle, Portland, SanFran…
<niggler> meh
<ec> oh?
<niggler> they aren't really "great" per se
<niggler> well SF isn't great
<niggler> i dunno -- i was there two weeks ago
<ec> I'm always hearing positives about Portland. Got tons of friends in Seattle and YVR, too.
<niggler> and i got the impression that most devs there are career developers, if that makes any sense
<ec> as opposed to?
<niggler> portland seems to be up and coming
<niggler> i guess "enterprise" is the better word
<niggler> what is called "enterprise" dev in the east coats
<ec> oh ew
<ec> in San Fran? really?
<niggler> is essentially what they do in SF
<ec> liiiiiies!
<niggler> haha
<niggler> granted, i met with some people at twitter and salesforce
<niggler> neither of which are hip social startups
<ec> lol'd
<purr> lol
<niggler> I'm interested in productivity applications
<niggler> not really much development in the space
<niggler> but on the topic of programming languages, I've had a burning desire
<niggler> for a good math programming language
<ec> the fuck
<ec> is this
<ec> devyn: purr's got a “Speller” module
<ec> and I haven't the *slightest* idea what it does
<ec> came in with the original import, so I didn't write it, nor did you
<ec> -commands
<purr> ec: Valid commands are: --, -34, -best, -commands, -countdown, -dequeue, -dick, -factoid, -find, -forget, -g, -hates, -learn, -loves, -play, -purr, -queue, -sol, -song, -start, -stop, -topic, -twister, -uncode, -what, -whohates, -wholoves
<ec> yeah, it's not linked to anything.
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<ec> purr ++
<purr> Let it be known that ec loves purr.
<ec> woot.
<ec> there ya go, niggler
<niggler> heh
<ec> pre/post in/decrement
<ec> hi alexgordon
<ec> if you're here
<ec> and not tennis'ing
<alexgordon> yep here
<ec> Let's do this. http://ell.io/iNS2t
<alexgordon> yep
<alexgordon> ha
<alexgordon> harvest
<ec> been tracking Paws-related time for a while now
<alexgordon> ec: staging and unstaging is the big unknown for me
<alexgordon> that's what I had trouble with when I tried to implement paws the first time
<alexgordon> semantics (at the time) were not clear
<ec> yah
<ec> understand
<ec> so, next thing we'll need to talk about … the first part I'll need before I can start to write down the algorithm I was starting on last night, is Masks
<ec> also: I've only put in 13.5 hours, directly, on Paws this month
<ec> though 20 total if you count the time I've been putting into modules that I'm building *for* Paws.js
* ec grins
<ec> anyway
<ec> that's 10.5 hours into development, 6.6 into administration-y B.S. (fixing build tools, or GitHub, or writing README, or whatever)
<ec> and 5.6 into architecture/design-y stuff, that mostly being the four-ish hours yesterday
* ec grins
<ec> DIS IS SO KEWLLL
<ec> anyway.
<alexgordon> so go on
<alexgordon> elucidate me
<ec> Mask.
<alexgordon> do it with your mouth
<ec> Masks.
<alexgordon> yes yes
<alexgordon> go on
<ec> shit, reserve battery power
<ec> brb power-cord
<ec> k
<ec> alexgordon: basically, since the entire data-graph is annotated with responsibility … by taking a “root” node, and walking the graph, but stopping at any edge that *doesn't* carry responsibility,
<ec> alexgordon: … we can arrive at a particular bounded sub-graph. Basically, we describe the edges of “a data structure” in memory.
<ec> the Mask type represents that: as in, we place a “mask” on top of the graph, and only a particular part (the data-structure we're interested in) shows through.
<alexgordon> O_O
<ec> masking-out the uninteresting parts of the data-graph.
<ec> with me?
<ec> what?
<alexgordon> this is hard to understand
<alexgordon> how do you walk the graph?
<ec> nothing fancy right now.
<ec> really naïvely, though that's obviously implementation-dependant
<ec> the relevant code from µpaws
<ec> taking a root from a mask (in that impl, masks can have multiple “roots” … think I'mma throw that away, unless I find a reason for needing it.)
<ec> we “flatten” the mask into a simple array of object-references (nothing fancy, and definitely slow as all buttfuck)
<ec> and then, we can see if that list contains a particular object … that is, if that particular object exists within the sub-graph
<ec> what is hard to understand? I can draw it, if you like
<alexgordon> ec: why are we doing this?
<alexgordon> why are we walking the data graph
<alexgordon> what are we hoping to get from it
<ec> it's central to our concurrency mechanism. Basically, locks.
<alexgordon> uh oh
<ec> if you have a bit of code that “locks” against a sub-graph, then nothing else can touch that sub-graph.
<alexgordon> I see
<ec> nothing fancy. should be obvious? I hope?
<alexgordon> so you have a mask
<alexgordon> and a data graph
<alexgordon> both together gives you a new subgraph
<ec> yepyep
<alexgordon> and you use this to synchronize code
<alexgordon> okay
<ec> synchronize?
<ec> hm, I guess …
<alexgordon> lock
<whitequark> ec: locks
<ec> poor locks. I miss him.
<ec> -locks
<purr> ec: here. this is for you. <http://mlkshk.com/p/7OLM>
<whitequark> no, seriously, shared memory and locks?
<whitequark> either I really do not understand what is going on
<whitequark> or this is a really shitty idea
<ec> probably both
<alexgordon> whitequark: it's crazy, I have told him this before
<alexgordon> but since i don't actually understand how this works, we'll see
<whitequark> 100% of the work being done on concurrency basically concludes that shm&locks is something you avoid to achieve sane semantics and/or execution speed
<alexgordon> at least it HAS locks now
<ec> it's always had locks
<ec> concurrency mechanism hasn't changed substantially since mid-2010
<alexgordon> whitequark: thing about paws is, it's really fucking slow. being fast is not a design goal
<whitequark> alexgordon: but being concurrent is?
<alexgordon> whitequark: this is more a concurrency thing. doing multiple IO at the same time
<ec> being fully *asynchronous* is
<alexgordon> like node... not fast, but concurrent.
<whitequark> ec: you understand that locks are a synchronization mechanism?
<ec> whitequark: yep
<alexgordon> haha
<ec> everything being described goes into the ordering of tasks, basically.
<alexgordon> also I'm feeling like shit today
<ec> all tasks are continuations, or the Paws equivalent thereof; and the sub-graph locks being described is one of the mechanisms that restricts *how* those tasks get ordered.
<alexgordon> must be hayfever
<whitequark> ec: how locks play with federation?
<whitequark> (my best guess at it: clusterfuck)
<ec> have no intents to lock against remote data at all. Again, one of those speed-is-not-a-design-goal things.
<whitequark> and, since federation implies network, how do they play with an intrinsically unreliable medium?
<ec> my *tentative* design (and believe me, nothing federation-related is set in stone yet) is to have data belong to a particular Unit; and just require that all changes to that data be handled by that unit.
<alexgordon> whitequark is realizing that he's joined the scientology of programming languages
<ec> I'm no DB designer / sharding expert, I'm almost certainly not going to overreach and try to do anything where data is shared
<ec> -paws
<purr> ec: <http://ell.io/iksN9>
<ec> -learn paws = “the scientology of programming langiages” <http://ell.io/iksN9>
<purr> ec: Learned `paws`.
<ec> too perfect.
<whitequark> fuck, it's shower outside
<ec> anyway.
<ec> input welcome, later. let's get through this.
<ec> ugh
<ec> later, I guess
<alexgordon> ec: sorry, gimme 10 mins
<ec> is fine
<ec> watching TV, pondering Chitpotle
<joelteon> Chit potle
<joelteon> oh chit
<joelteon> I'm gonna go to panera and gamestop today
<joelteon> what a life
<alexgordon> ec hi
<incomprehensibly> hi alexgordon
<incomprehensibly> hi ec
<incomprehensibly> i have a cool idea for type system/polymorphism/etc. i want to talk about
<incomprehensibly> ec: fun 1% relevant fact, the girl next to me in the picture recently got a job at a chipotle
<incomprehensibly> lol
<purr> lol
<incomprehensibly> purr: shutup
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: which picture?
<joelteon> lol
<purr> lol
<joelteon> lol
<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: http://i.ell.io/cHsz
<joelteon> how tall is she
<incomprehensibly> very short
<incomprehensibly> her last name is Tall though
<joelteon> that's what I suspected
<incomprehensibly> so, she is very Tall
<joelteon> right
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<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: want to hear my idea
<incomprehensibly> i have 3 hours before i am gone for a week
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: YES
<incomprehensibly> yay
<incomprehensibly> ok so it's like
<incomprehensibly> this is made up syntax
<incomprehensibly> and idk if i'm going to make pattern matching the fundamental mechansim
<incomprehensibly> but for instance you can define bools this way
<incomprehensibly> true : Boolean
<incomprehensibly> false : Boolean
<incomprehensibly> that just defined two constructors
<incomprehensibly> and then you can say
<incomprehensibly> not true = false
<incomprehensibly> not false = true
<incomprehensibly> and you can say
<incomprehensibly> true ifTrue: a ifFalse: b = a
<incomprehensibly> to steal some smalltalk syntax
<incomprehensibly> just as illustration
<incomprehensibly> but basically
<incomprehensibly> is this making sense so far?
<incomprehensibly> I want to combine haskell algebraic data types with abstract data types and ruby's uniformity of access
<incomprehensibly> and also with typeclasses/protocols
<incomprehensibly> and it's all statically ducktyped
<incomprehensibly> so you don't necessarily name protocols or typeclasses, just if there is ever a function call that has the possibliity of being undefined there is an error
<incomprehensibly> and you can probably push that off to runtime
<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: make any sense so far?
<alexgordon> jesus fuck
<alexgordon> novel
<incomprehensibly> lol
<purr> lol
<incomprehensibly> sorry
<incomprehensibly> there's more to explain
<alexgordon> 1 min
<alexgordon> nope no sense at all
<alexgordon> true ifTrue: a ifFalse: b = a
<alexgordon> wat
<incomprehensibly> ok i'll do not-smalltalk syntax
<incomprehensibly> if(true, a, b) = a
<incomprehensibly> if(false, a, b) = b
<alexgordon> when you say =, this is a binding?
<incomprehensibly> yeah
<incomprehensibly> left evaluates to right
<incomprehensibly> like haskell =
<alexgordon> I seee?
<alexgordon> where are you going with this
<incomprehensibly> so the cool thing is
<incomprehensibly> you can do haskelly things like define new operations on datatypes, which you can't do in for instance java
<incomprehensibly> so like
<incomprehensibly> basically open class type things
<incomprehensibly> but you can also do
<yorick> incomprehensibly: it sorta looks like prolog :P
<incomprehensibly> java/ruby-ey things like make new constructors for a datatype
<incomprehensibly> yorick: hm, in what way?
<incomprehensibly> like you could say
<incomprehensibly> maybe : Boolean
<incomprehensibly> and then it would error if `not` and `if` weren't defined for it and stuff
<yorick> in prolog you could do if(true, A, B, A). if(false, A, B, B).
<incomprehensibly> yorick: oh yeah, pattern matching
<yorick> and then you could if(Condition, IfTrue, IfFalse, Result)
<incomprehensibly> mhm
<yorick> but that's it
<yorick> prolog has very extensive pattern matching
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<incomprehensibly> yorick: yeah
* alexgordon dies
<incomprehensibly> i think i'm going to keep the pattern matching to a more haskell level, so it's very deterministic and no search strategies are needed for evaluation
<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: why
<whitequark> not sure if it's so novel
<incomprehensibly> whitequark: he meant i wrote a novel i think
<whitequark> ahhh
<whitequark> well
<whitequark> you seen multimethods?
<whitequark> and traits?
<incomprehensibly> yeah
<incomprehensibly> this is multimethods
<incomprehensibly> basically
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<alexgordon> micahjohnston: hayfever
<incomprehensibly> lol
<purr> lol
<incomprehensibly> whitequark: basically i'm trying to solve the expression problem
<incomprehensibly> yknow
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<whitequark> incomprehensibly: elaborate?
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<incomprehensibly> you can extend both the constructors of a datatype and the operations on it
<whitequark> let's dance around in the wilderness naked
<whitequark> incomprehensibly: elaborate even further?
<incomprehensibly> whitequark: for instance
<incomprehensibly> make some constructors
<incomprehensibly> like
<incomprehensibly> data Boolean = True | False
<incomprehensibly> but then you can add antoher
<incomprehensibly> like
<incomprehensibly> data Boolean += Maybe
<incomprehensibly> stupid placeholder synatx
<incomprehensibly> just like subclassing in OO
<incomprehensibly> but you can also add more methods
<ec> iOS 7 crashes *so much*
<ec> incomprehensibly: this looks cool. This doesn't already exist? o_O
<incomprehensibly> ec: well, not in this exact incarnation
<incomprehensibly> look at Atomo/Atomy
<incomprehensibly> it's pretty close
<incomprehensibly> prototypal multimethods
<incomprehensibly> this will be statically typechecked though
<incomprehensibly> whereas those are as dynamic as can be
<ec> don't know Atomo
<ec> but very excited about prototypal multimethods in general
<incomprehensibly> http://atomo-lang.org/
<ec> pattern matching has never been my thing; but then again, I can't wrap my head around Haskell |=
<ec> yes, familiar with it
<incomprehensibly> you would like atomo
<ec> just haven't looked into it yet
<incomprehensibly> ok
<ec> “ Scheme (small, simple core), Slate (multiple dispatch, keywords), Ruby (very DSL-friendly), and Erlang (message-passing concurrency).”
<ec> yes, I absolutely would. whee.
<ec> unfortunately, too Rut-y to interest me right now.
<ec> looks like a great language in the vertical.
<incomprehensibly> well watch it there
<ec> but if it's not JavaScript or C, or something new and innovative I can *try to implement* in javaScript or C, then … I'm bored by it, right now. /=
<incomprehensibly> horizontal doesn't only mean "changes the evaluation/computation model"
<incomprehensibly> :p
<ec> trudat
<ec> I'd have to look at it.
<ec> (or have you tell me. ;)
<incomprehensibly> it's like Io but way cooler
* ec nods
<ec> yes, definitely exciting. I just don't know what I'd write in it.
<incomprehensibly> mhm
<ec> It's in the “I'd love to write something in this … but I don't even have something to write in *Haskell* to learn *that*, and Haskell is going to teach me *way more* than this would if I *did* have a project to write, so I'd do that instead.”
<ec> s/Haskell/Prolog
<ec> S/Prolog/Factor
<ec> etfuckinceteras
<incomprehensibly> lol yeah
<purr> lol
<ec> In five years, maybe I'll have time to start looking for fun new rut languages to work in … whatever's current at the time.
<ec> But I've got a stack of languages I *need* to work in, simply to make myself a better programmer, before then.
<incomprehensibly> uhuh
<incomprehensibly> i wanna teach you haskellll
<incomprehensibly> ec: by the way you probably won't see me for a week and a half starting in two hours
<incomprehensibly> going to an awful church camp thing and then scout camp for the entirety of next week
<incomprehensibly> and then the following monday and tuesday are university orientation
<ec> you're a scout?
<ec> did I know that and forget it?
<incomprehensibly> yeah, I'm an Eagle
<incomprehensibly> ugggggghg gtg forever right now
<incomprehensibly> ;_;
<ec> o7
<incomprehensibly> ec: <3
<incomprehensibly> <3 everybody
<purr> Let it be known that incomprehensibly hearts everybody.
<ec> o7
<ec> -wholoves everybody
<purr> ec: everybody is loved by incomprehensibly, jergason, and purr.
<ec> -wholoves everyone
<purr> ec: everyone is loved by devyn, alexgordon, IamTash, everybody, remy, and yourmom.
<ec> omg wat.
<ec> -loves everybody
<purr> ec: everybody loves raymond, gqbe, nuck, and everyone.
<ec> -hates everybody
<purr> ec: everybody hates elliottcable.
<ec> >:
<whitequark> lol.
<purr> lol
<incomprehensibly> haha aw
<incomprehensibly> <3 elliottcable
<purr> Let it be known that incomprehensibly hearts elliottcable.
<incomprehensibly> bye
<incomprehensibly> p7
<incomprehensibly> o7
<ec> -whohates ELLIOTTCABLE
<purr> ec: ELLIOTTCABLE is hated by Nuck, gqbrielle, darkf, and everybody.
<niggler> -whohates ec
<purr> niggler: ec is hated by no one :)
<ec> niggler: ec == ellio == elliottcable
<ec> == battlecollie == [e] == tees
<niggler> i know but purr doesnt
<ec> purr hasn't got user-management in this version
<ec> need to add it but the framework doesn't really support that.
<ec> part of the rewrite.
<ec> ugh don't care purr
<ec> alexgordon: hi
<ec> can we just goddamn make a paws so I can give up on this already ddis
<ec> spec. where were we.
<yorick> celibate toll
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<ec> yorick: yah, I know
<ec> Elliott Cable: Cola Belittle(r)
<yorick> ell cab toilet
<yorick> that's a good superhero name: El Cab Toilet
<alexgordon> lol ec
<purr> lol
<ec> hiii
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<ec> hi alexgordon
<ec> I'm in a terrible mood, you're sick. Let's make an unhappy paws.
<alexgordon> heh
<ec> yes? yes.
<ec> so, masks.
<ec> (good name, by the way? should I name them something else?)
* ec pokes alexgordon
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<ec> aaaaaanybody alive?
<whitequark> me
<jeannicolas> ec: busy making games! http://d.pr/v/pLJl
<ec> hi whitequark
<whitequark> hi
<purr> whitequark: hi!
<ec> the fuck, jeannicolas?
<jeannicolas> it's a fat man making a canon ball.. but .. he obeys the laws of physics...
<jeannicolas> and has a particle emitter… UP HIS ASS
<whitequark> cannon*
<jeannicolas> indeed
<alexgordon> omg jeannicolas talking to whitequark
<alexgordon> this is like snow white talking to all the seven dwarfs
<jeannicolas> ..mmm?
<alexgordon> (not sure who should be insulted more by that comparison)
<alexgordon> jeannicolas was SO proud of his game that he had to show it to ec
<jeannicolas> I am indeed very proud
<ec> … I, uh, wow.
<alexgordon> HI ELLIOTT
<whitequark> alexgordon: I didn't get that comparison
<jeannicolas> I don't think anyone did
<ec> alexgordon: hey, drparse
<ec> alexgordon: thoughts on http://languagejs.org?
<alexgordon> whitequark: Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy, Sneezy
<whitequark> wat
<jeannicolas> alexgordon: depends on the version yo! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_of_the_Seven_Dwarfs
<alexgordon> true
<jeannicolas> does that make me snow white?
<alexgordon> ec: err, doesn't load?
<alexgordon> jeannicolas: YES that was the point
<jeannicolas> ...
<ec> oops
<jeannicolas> could be worse
<ec> alexgordon: http://languagejs.com
<alexgordon> "omg jeannicolas talking to whitequark. this is like snow white talking to all the seven dwarfs"
<ec> I don't get it, alexgordon
<jeannicolas> god dammit he fell on his side.. http://d.pr/i/jMzI
<whitequark> ec: cool... as much as PEGs can be cool
<alexgordon> ec: well jeannicolas is like snow white...
<alexgordon> ec: and whitequark is like Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy and Sneezy
<alexgordon> it's quite simple really
<ec> I don't see how he's any of those things
<ec> 'cept maybe doc and/or grumpy
<ec> and wouldn't *you* be sneezy?
<ec> so fucking confus™.
<alexgordon> yeah I'd be sneezy I guess
<ec> jeannicolas is obviously happy
<ec> I'm probably sleepy, or happy, idk
<ec> maybe grumpy
<jeannicolas> I'm usually happy I guess
<alexgordon> not sure if happy or just canadian
<purr> diylol
<alexgordon> -g por que no los dos in english
<purr> alexgordon: 0:04 Por que no los dos! - YouTube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs>
<alexgordon> ...
<alexgordon> thanks google
<jeannicolas> are you kidding me? lol
<alexgordon> no
<ec> what the FUCK google
<ec> oh so well played
<jeannicolas> -g "por que no los dos" in english
<purr> jeannicolas: 0:04 Por que no los dos! - YouTube <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs>
<jeannicolas> oh well
<jeannicolas> fuck you google
<ec> I don't get it, jeannicolas
<ec> hey alexgordon
<jeannicolas> get what?
<ec> is the mask shit I added to the spec clear?
<alexgordon> link me
<ec> jeannicolas: hey, commentary on my spec, plz?
<purr> ec: Learned `temp spec`.
<jeannicolas> he said "not sure if happy or just canadian".. I said "por que no los dos"
<jeannicolas> makes sense
<alexgordon> ah
<alexgordon> you didn't account for me not knowing spanish
<alexgordon> or maybe you did
<ec> ohhhhhh I see
<jeannicolas> alexgordon: means "why not both"
<ec> sooo, idk if either of you have facial-hair.
<alexgordon> YES I GET THAT NOW
<ec> but things tend to grab my hair
<ec> when I scratch them against my chin
<ec> extremely painful
<ec> but, relevant point being:
<jeannicolas> yeah
* jeannicolas has a beard
<ec> the Apple remote,
<ec> with NO FUCKING SEAMS,
<ec> does it.
<ec> I have no idea how.
<alexgordon> jeannicolas is so hipster he has a hitler mustache
<ec> I look at it, see perfect, seamless, crisp aluminum edge
* jeannicolas does not
<ec> and go to scrape my chin with it idly
<ec> and it IMMEDIATELY PULLS MY CHIN-HAIR
<ec> AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW
* alexgordon is 12
<jeannicolas> it was assembled in China… no one in China has beard...
<jeannicolas> I think there's something there
<ec> seriously
<ec> THERE ARE NO SEAMS
<ec> HOW IS IT DOING IT
<alexgordon> my apple remote is made of plastic :(
<alexgordon> what I don't get is
<alexgordon> how does the battery last so low
<alexgordon> long
<alexgordon> I mean I never recharge it
<alexgordon> I've had it since 2007
<ec> hahaha
<ec> all it's doing is powering one little adorable LED
<ec> and even then, only, like, for a total of thirty seconds a month
<alexgordon> yeah but don't batteries die after a while
<alexgordon> regardless of load. just being connected to the circuit drains charge
<ec> all tradeoffs
<ec> some last long without usage but have unreliable output
<ec> it's probably that sort
<ec> alexgordon?
<ec> alexgordon: reading?
<alexgordon> nope
<alexgordon> am now
<alexgordon> there's lots of new stuff here lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> it's in danger of getting elliottsplatted
<ec> what
<ec> ugh I tried
<ec> there's not much new
<alexgordon> lol
<ec> just reformatted a bit
<ec> the new stuff is all under Mask
<alexgordon> oh ok
<ec> and at the bottom of the document
<ec> I verrrryyy slightly fixed/modified some of the things:
<ec> Node/Expression were modified,
<ec> prophile pointed out some mistakes in the grammar,
<ec> and I *started* to write up Continuation.
<ec> but it's not complete and you can ignore it. we haven't really gotten there yet.
<alexgordon> ec: so this is cool
<ec> what is
<alexgordon> masks
<alexgordon> never heard of anybody doing that before...
<alexgordon> which could be paws' tagline
<ec> lol
<purr> lol
<ec> yes, it's one of the innovations.
<alexgordon> trying to figure out how to implement it efficiently
<ec> not exciting enough for whitequark, because it still uses locks, but whatever.
<ec> can always replace it if it's not good enough.
<ec> it's not the *truly* exciting stuff.
<alexgordon> ec: I'm not sure if it's *useful* per se, but it's certainly novel
<ec> but yeah: basically, the goal is to move a lot of the programmer-effort involved in concurrency into their *data structures*
<ec> instead of their *source code*
<ec> nonono there's a very particular way I plan to use it
<ec> this is a boiling-down of Fullness designs.
<ec> in my linguistic planning, I've got a desire to make *procedure calls* handle the locking
<ec> basically, at a Fullness level, you write lots of as-small-as-possible procedures (which is already good practice in O.O. languages, whether like Ruby or JS)
<ec> and then you mark the arguments A) that the procedures *modify*/sequential-read, and B) the incidentals that they *don't*
<whitequark> (JS isn't OO... but continue)
<ec> then you don't have to write any locks or declare any ownership *at all*
<ec> JS *is* OO.
<ec> the only good kind of OO.
<alexgordon> oh shit
<whitequark> no forwarding
<ec> prototypal, flexible, understated OO.
<alexgordon> yeah I have to agree with whitequark
<whitequark> no encapsulation
<alexgordon> JS is not OO, because it has no messages
<ec> differing definitions of OO are not within the scope of this discussion.
<whitequark> "JS is OO because it has inheritance" ~ "JS is functional because it has closures"
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<whitequark> yeah.
<alexgordon> JS is OO in its own unique way
<ec> nor *should* they be within the scope of *any* discussion, because categorizing languages is a waste of the time that could be spent *inventing new categories*.
<ec> anyway.
<ec> alexgordon: do you understand?
<alexgordon> uh
<alexgordon> ec: one thing
<alexgordon> ec: so a mask is a set of objects, right?
<alexgordon> i.e. it forms a subgraph
<alexgordon> so it represents a particular subset of all the objects in the program
<ec> a root-point, plus the responsibility-annotations stored in the data-graph itself, together form a sub-graph
<ec> a “mask” is a nickname for that root-point
<ec> that we'll use elsewhere in the documentation
<alexgordon> oh right
<alexgordon> so it's just one node
<ec> it's not, most honestly speaking, a real thing we need to implement or care about.
<ec> yep.
<alexgordon> and from there you walk outwards and THAT is the subgraph
<alexgordon> alright
<ec> yep!
<alexgordon> so like GC really
<ec> yep!
<ec> and yes, otherwise, you're correct.
<ec> it represents a particular subset.
<ec> most accurately, “a particular data-structure.”
<alexgordon> right but it's not an arbitrary subgraph
<ec> exactly.
<alexgordon> because you can't have two objects that are otherwise unreachable
<ec> this is important because in the type of pseudo-OO I care about, and designed this for, you're going to be working with lots of data-structures built up out of simple objects.
<ec> oh, you can. This is only whether they're reachable with *responsibility*-annotated edges.
<alexgordon> no no
<alexgordon> well yes
<ec> you could have an entire half of the graph that encodes no responsibility, and thus is completely unreachable for any masking purposes
<alexgordon> I meant in the graph theoretic sense
<ec> eh?
<alexgordon> whatever lol
<purr> lol
<ec> nonono explain
<ec> this is the entire point of working through this stuff with you :D
<alexgordon> if you HAD two objects that were not referencing each other at all
<alexgordon> then you couldn't build a mask of both of them
<alexgordon> so it's not an arbitrary subgraph
<ec> you're not *kilometres* ahead of me in the academic-sense, so I can still understand you … *and* you are too busy to take bullshit for an answer, and help me excise all the bullshit terms and drill down to the effective core of the concepts
<alexgordon> that was all I was saying
<ec> oh yes understood yep
<ec> 'k. moving on, then.
<ec> alexgordon: I'm bad at attention, you gotta let me know if you're still here
<alexgordon> I have to get up early tomorrow so I've got about 30 mins :P
<ec> oh poo
<ec> so close to fun stuff
<alexgordon> wonder if I could build a theremin using an isight...
<alexgordon> I bet someone's done it with kinect already
<alexgordon> and I'm right! https://code.google.com/p/therenect/
<ec> alexgordon: so, I take it from “oh shit” you're a little more interested in Paws, now? ;)
<alexgordon> which oh shit was that
<ec> re: higher-level plans, automating concurrency/locking entirely
<alexgordon> oh no lol
<purr> lol
<ec> aww. I was excited.
<alexgordon> was more, oh shit you and whitequark are going to be at it all night
<ec> oh 'cause JS-is-not-OO, lol
<ec> naaaaah
<alexgordon> ec: so can an object have multiple "owners"
<ec> yepyepyep
<ec> remember:
<ec> all “responsibility for” something else means, is that “algorithms that are likely to modify me, are *also* likely to modify *that*.”
<alexgordon> right
<ec> So, for example, there might be three people pointing at my Name object:
<ec> a Person also containing my age, and location … a list of Names representing access to a posh higher-society get-together … and a marriage-proposal object.
<ec> first, obviously, if you're going to modify the person, you're probably going to modify the name. It's an integral part of the Person data-structure.
<ec> second … there's no reason to modify any of the *first-and-last* names, just because you're modifying the list of people with access. no responsibilty.
<ec> Third, though, when the marriage is carried-through, the last-names of the people involved are likely to change; so it *would* annotate responsibility for the Name objects.
<ec> alexgordon: what's the word for the opposite of “native?”
<ec> native stuff is in the underlying-language,
<ec> what's the name for stuff implemented/exposed to the over-laying language
<alexgordon> ec: foreign?
<ec> foreign still references the underlaying language, usually, where I've seen it
<ec> “foreign function interface”
<ec> I don't mean opposite-word, I mean whatever word is already used for that shit
<niggler> ec middleware?
<ec> wat
<niggler> stuff implemented/exposed to the over-laying language
<ec> um, how is that middleware
<ec> I'm talking about Object, toString() in JavaScript
<niggler> what's middleware
<ec> stuff written *in the language*, or exposed *to* the language
<niggler> middleware isn't necessarily written in the language, fair enough
<alexgordon> not understanding how that is different from foreign
<ec> erm
<ec> let's say I've got a C function, Object->find()
<ec> and then, a Paws-side procedure we expose, `infrastructure object find()`
<ec> what do I call the former, and what do I call the latter, to differentiate them?
<ec> I've *been* calling them “native” and “alien”
<ec> but nobody knows what that means, and you know I've been trying to come up with more ‘old-school’ terminology
<whitequark> ec: oh that's simple
<whitequark> "primitive"
<ec> nah
<whitequark> yeah
<ec> have to stay away from that, JS uses that for a class of types that we don't have
<whitequark> standard lingo for it
<whitequark> hmmm
<whitequark> ok
<joelteon> Nuck:
<whitequark> builtin
<ec> I interact with too many JS developers to risk that mis-association, I think, probably
<Nuck> joelteon: ?
<whitequark> standard lingo in another camp of developers
<ec> builtin isn't bad
<ec> I hate that it's so out-of-sorts, but maybe
<joelteon> Nuck: I got Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction today
<whitequark> (primitive is for lisp-smalltalks, builtin is for c-c++'s)
<Nuck> joelteon: nice! Go play it and shut up ;D
<joelteon> I played it for 4 and a half hours
<joelteon> I'm taking a break
<Nuck> hahaha
<Nuck> How is it, anyways?
<joelteon> It's like Up Your Arsenal, but a lot better.
<Nuck> ooooh
<joelteon> Same formula, but the graphics are 300 times more realistic
<joelteon> Better enemy design, better level design
<joelteon> Everything I expected
<ec> I really just wish it was standard practice to use “native” and “alien,” or some similar dichotomy of terminology
<ec> I might just say fuck it, and make this ‘the one terminology I keep, despite it all”
<ec> libspace/nukespace
<ec> can just add definition entries for them and use them all over
<joelteon> how do you guys recommend I set up VMs for OSX 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7
<whitequark> ec: could as well use "foreign"
<alexgordon> joelteon: you don't
<whitequark> like in ffi
<joelteon> yeah, that's what I thought
<whitequark> native paws procedures and foreign paws procedures
<ec> native/foreign?
<whitequark> yep
<whitequark> close enough to be understandable
<alexgordon> joelteon: 10.5 doesn't run in VMs (officially). 10.6 does but it's an utter pain in the arse
<ec> hmmm
<alexgordon> joelteon: 10.7 should work, if you're on a mac
<joelteon> Yeah, I dunno.
<ec> hm, the problem is, that doesn't cover the part I'm *trying* to cover
<joelteon> I want to test this app but it's just a pain in the ass
<alexgordon> on 10.5?! o_O
<ec> I can't call Object->find() “the foreign Find procedure” or something
<alexgordon> nobody uses 10.5 anymore
<joelteon> yes
<joelteon> oh
<joelteon> ok
<ec> because that also covers `infrastructure object find` or whatever.
<ec> as that's still foreign … it's just the foreign, exported into the language.
<alexgordon> hell, I got rid of 10.6 support in choc and I'm considering skipping straight to 10.9
<joelteon> hahaha
<whitequark> ec: native/foreign is about entities within paws
<whitequark> as is primitive/regular, builtin/regular
<ec> mmhmm gotcha
<whitequark> whatever's used by the implementation to implement foreign procedures is, well
<ec> need terminology from the viewpoint of an implementer, though
<whitequark> I don't think it's named in any special way
<whitequark> an implementation of primitive
<ec> yeah, that's what I was using “alien” for.
<ec> stuff written out-of-this-world.
<ec> hi. you're new here. I'm weird with terminology.
<ec> anyway.
<ec> I'll go with foreign and native for now.
<ec> thanks, all.
<ec> alexgordon: you gone yet
<ec> ?
<alexgordon> almost
<alexgordon> I'm really knackered
<ec> kk
<ec> sleep well
<alexgordon> ô7
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<joelteon> nice salute
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