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<devyn> because it don't rike you
<joelteon> oh
<joelteon> ok.jpg
<devyn> I'm so sleep deprived I'm at work and it feels like my eyes are going to pop out
<joelteon> but they are
<devyn> Dreams were successfully repelled from the DNA.
<devyn> > The sex indulgence in having terminated by restoring two particles.
<devyn> sounds like my kind of fetish
<joelteon> is that markov chains?
<devyn> yeah
<devyn> I'm markov chaining random wikipedia articles
<joelteon> oh
<devyn> > A knightly lance persisted through Vancouver Centre
<devyn> SOUNDS AWESOME
<devyn> > since closed ultima is known as "iOS"
<devyn> yes it is.
<devyn> > two bishops, presenting no children, shy and after the sub-discipline of resistance. Church is debatable.
<devyn> it would be, if that were to happen
<joelteon> how many words are you chaining at a time
<devyn> just one word of context
<devyn> to do more than one word takes a pretty big database to get a decent amount of variance
<devyn> probably
<devyn> haven't tested it
<devyn> :p
<joelteon> My markov chains never make anything sensible
<purr> <alexgordon> PHP is like a good burrito
<joelteon> but that's maybe because I run them on a corpus with dialogue in it
<alexgordon> this is funny because I don't like burritos
<alexgordon> though I have only been to america a couple of times
<alexgordon> so my sample is limited
<joelteon> chipotle has good ones
<devyn> joelteon: how big was the corpus? that's the main factor. I've successfully built chain databases from scanning prose too
<devyn> if it doesn't work at all you probably screwed it up
<joelteon> it works
<joelteon> it just doens't really work very well
<joelteon> I might be doing it wrong
<devyn> I store internally word => {total 3000: word2 => 1000, word3 100, word4 1800, :paragraph_end 100}
<devyn> as an example
<joelteon> oh, yeah
<joelteon> I just threw mine together
<devyn> so it's 1000/3000 chance of going word → word2
<joelteon> each subsequent word has an equal chance of being chosen
<joelteon> I didn't weight it
<devyn> oh, yeah, that's not a markov chain :p
<joelteon> that would be pretty easy to do though
<joelteon> i might do that now
<devyn> yeah, just, every time you scan a word → word2, increment word2 in the pair
<devyn> and increment the total
<devyn> then use that probability
<joelteon> right
<joelteon> oh wait no, it IS weighted
<joelteon> because the "subsequent word" is a list, not a set
<joelteon> and it's a naive insertion
<joelteon> neato
<joelteon> that would have to be a map map
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<micahjohnston> joelteon: oh haha nice
<joelteon> what did I do
<micahjohnston> accidentally made it weighted correctly
<joelteon> yep
<joelteon> maybe I'll make a Data.WeightedMap
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<micahjohnston> well i gtg
<micahjohnston> gnight
<purr> <micahjohnston> well, I don't usually incorporate dicks into my typeclasses
<devyn> ELLIOTTCABLE: so how do you like your Android 4.1-inspired iOS 7
<joelteon> it's like android, but usable!
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<purr> <elliottcable> fuck YES
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<purr> <Navarr> i'm wondering if #Paws isn't really a language, but a state of zen
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<joelteon> cycle "blog posts about " ++ "writing monads"
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<micahjohnston> joelteon: haha
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<joelteon> guys
<joelteon> I have a www CNAME that points to joelt.io
<joelteon> why is www.joelt.io an unknown host?
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<ellio> hi, all
<ellio> joelteon: whatcha mean?
<joelteon> dig www.joelt.io
<joelteon> oh I fucked it up
<joelteon> it points to joelt.io.joelt.io now
<ellio> ;www.joelt.io.INA
<ellio> www.joelt.io.600INCNAMEjoelt.io.joelt.io.
<ellio> heh, beat me to sending it
<purr\Paws> [Paws.js] ELLIOTTCABLE force-pushed Master from e72d4b1 to 9e15193: https://github.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/Paws.js/commits/Master
<purr\Paws> Paws.js/Master e38431a Demian Ferreiro: (- fix typo) Use correct 'Paws.coffee' name in require...
<purr\Paws> Paws.js/Master 9e15193 elliottcable: (- fix meta GH) Man, the new name almost wasn't worth it. (... almost. ;)
<purr\Paws> [Paws.js] ELLIOTTCABLE comment on issue #15: @epidemian thanks. Haven't used a CSFS in ages.... https://github.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/Paws.js/issues/15#issuecomment-19283586
<ellio> hi?
<ellio> anybody alive?
<joelteon> yeah
<ellio> hi otters
<joelteon> I wrote my first big production bug today
<joelteon> hi
<purr> joelteon: hi!
<joelteon> hi
<purr> joelteon: hi!
<alexgordon> hi ellio
<alexgordon> have you bought a mac pro yet?
<purr\Paws> [Paws.js] epidemian comment on issue #15: Because of the thread about the compiler error messages in jashkenas/coffee-script =P. I tried running the test to see where the problem was. https://github.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/Paws.js/issues/15#issuecomment-19284517
<joelteon> ???
<joelteon> you shuold bro
<joelteon> should
<joelteon> my developer program membership STILL
<joelteon> HASN'T COME\
<purr\Paws> [Paws.js] ELLIOTTCABLE comment on issue #15: @epidemian hah! I completely forgot I interacted with you there. Thanks for the patch. Fly safe. (= https://github.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/Paws.js/issues/15#issuecomment-19284578
<joelteon> HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE
<ellio> joelteon: seriously? My reup took, like, fifteen minutes to show up in my inbox.
<joelteon> yeah.
<joelteon> Well
<alexgordon> joelteon I know, so annoying
<alexgordon> I ordered mine over 24 hours ago
<joelteon> "Your Program purchase is pending and may take up to 24 hours to process."
<joelteon> Must be a high volume type thing.
<joelteon> Oh well.
<alexgordon> ellio: yeah but had yours expired?
<ellio> alexgordon: yep
<alexgordon> when did you renew?
<ellio> um
<ellio> idk
<alexgordon> heh
<alexgordon> probably it is high demand for it
<ellio> approximately around the end of the iOS section of the liveblog
<alexgordon> mmm
<alexgordon> maybe it's just favouritism
<alexgordon> you're a good customer
* ellio doesn't matter: at the speed Mavericks is downloading, I won't see it for a week *anyway*.
<alexgordon> ellio: there's a torrent btw
<ellio> torrents are universally slower for me
<ellio> you forget that I'm in the U.S.
<alexgordon> put.io?
<ellio> that looks really expensive for what it is.
<ellio> but the network here is just shit. Nothing in the world is going to make this faster.
<ellio> got a link for the Mavericks-installer-app download?
<alexgordon> ask jeannicolas
<alexgordon> it's on tpb
<ellio> jeannicolas: you
<jeannicolas> are knee deep into a gigantic fucking merge
<jeannicolas> current status: http://i.imgur.com/ONs7fV2.jpg
<alexgordon> jeannicolas: :D :D :D
<alexgordon> jeannicolas: liking corporate life?
<jeannicolas> -_-
<purr> jeannicolas: ಠ_ಠ is an IRC client/IRC client framework.
<alexgordon> hah ellio took my advice for once!
<ellio> (=
<ellio> On the off-chance that put.io's servers can serve to this machine faster
<ellio> somhow
<ellio> x:
<jeannicolas> p4merge is actually quite fucking good
<jeannicolas> beats the hell out of Kaleidoscope (even though kaleidoscope is much.. much.. .MUCH prettier)
<ellio> what is this slow bullshit
<ellio> p4merge?
<jeannicolas> holy FUCK this is a clusterfuck
<jeannicolas> it's extremely ugly..but very good
<alexgordon> hah they use perforce?
<jeannicolas> nah
<jeannicolas> git
<jeannicolas> but a merge is a merge, and a diff file is a diff file!
<jeannicolas> p4merge is just a regular diff/merge tool
<alexgordon> I see
<jeannicolas> so I had to do a git rebase to squash commits… then checkout another branch, and cherry pick that commit into this new branch...
<jeannicolas> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT EVEN MEANS!
<jeannicolas> but it worked
<alexgordon> git rebase ewww
* jeannicolas bows before git
<alexgordon> also wow jeannicolas doing git
<ellio> … lol
<purr> lol
<ellio> wow.
<jeannicolas> aint got no choice!
<alexgordon> I have to teach *you* how to git, and I don't have a fucking clue either
<ellio> coulda hard-reset the other branch to the head, and then just rebased
<ellio> no need to cherry
<jeannicolas> this is actually some changes in a newer branch that I needed to bring into this old branch
<jeannicolas> but lots of stuff that cannot be brought into the old branch
<jeannicolas> anyway..
<jeannicolas> I squashed all the commits from the new branch into one.. and cherry picked it into the old branch..and..I think it worked
<jeannicolas> now to see if the project ocmpiles… (lulzzzz it won't)
* ellio headdesks
<alexgordon> remind me never to work at gree
<jeannicolas> alexgordon; you couldn't work anywhere where they use git and branches
<jeannicolas> i.e.
<jeannicolas> everywhere
<jeannicolas> http://d.pr/i/iII1
<jeannicolas> I love it
<alexgordon> there's branches
<alexgordon> and then there's this.
<alexgordon> anyway I can use branches if I have a GUI for it
<alexgordon> my problem is always forgetting that I'm in a branch
<jeannicolas> we have different branch for different versions of the game… a feature that was set for version X has to be brought into version Y (an older version)… it sucks but eh.. it happens
<jeannicolas> not that big a deal really
<jeannicolas> and not that weird of a request really
<jeannicolas> we never work off master… master == what's live in the app store
<jeannicolas> which we never touch..
<whitequark> 23:22 < jeannicolas> so I had to do a git rebase to squash commits… then checkout another branch, and cherry pick that commit into this new branch...
<whitequark> this sounds as a sequence of euphemisms for something REALLY naughty
<whitequark> fifty shades of git?
<jeannicolas> whitequark: of course! I mean I don't work anywhere.. I have no idea what git is…
<jeannicolas> I was describing last night
<jeannicolas> weekly date night
<whitequark> oh, now that makes sense
<whitequark> ellio: MY previous retweet
<ellio> whitequark: <3
<whitequark> what did your dirty stream pick out?
<ellio> it's meta ;)
<whitequark> ah
<ellio> huh?
<whitequark> well
<whitequark> I imagine if you interpreted it as "any previous retweet in the stream you, the reader, are currently viewing, applies to myself, the poster"
<whitequark> then the consequences could be rather dire
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<whitequark> is that you in the photo?
<ellio> what?
<audy> thank you alexgordon
<ellio> which photo? o_O
<ellio> lol you guys and git. it's so adorable.
<purr> lol
<jeannicolas> lol no compile error… now that's even scarier
<ellio> here's the current Paws.js history; four branches, each with an additional granular branch; three remotes.
<ellio> er, crap
<ellio> wrong order
<whitequark> ellio: twitter avatar
<ellio> whitequark: yep
<ellio> well, it's a bit old now
<whitequark> huh
<ellio> and my hair isn't long and revolting like it was then
<whitequark> you sound too sane there
<whitequark> er
<whitequark> look
<ellio> but the girl insists it's the best photo of me
<jeannicolas> ellio: according to alexgordon if you use branches you're doing it wrong!
<jeannicolas> :P
<joelteon> branches are WRONG!
<ellio> whitequark: http://ell.io/iIrVR
<ellio> that's the other photo I use as an avatar occasionally
<ellio> and then there's the ancient, excellent,
<ellio> -find qyy6
<purr> ellio: Found: :d
<ellio> -:D @ whitequark
<purr> whitequark: http://ell.io/qyy6
<jeannicolas> a rare pic of alexgordon: http://d.pr/i/yvUa
* ellio pats alexgordon
<jeannicolas> ellio: I prefer the ones with the photoshopped hats
<ellio> I DON'T LIKE WAITING FOR THINGS ಠ_ಠ
<whitequark> yeah yeah I know
<joelteon> ellio:
<joelteon> nice beard
<joelteon> i cant into beard
<ellio> joelteon: what?
<ellio> I'm always be-facial-hair-éd
<joelteon> nice beard
<joelteon> i said
<joelteon> and then i said i cant into beard
<joelteon> which is exactly what it sounds like
<ellio> you can't … into … beard
<ellio> it sounds like not english being.
<joelteon> yeah
<joelteon> it's polish
<joelteon> polish pseudo-english
<joelteon> i cant grow a beard
<whitequark> TIL
<whitequark> if I don't connect antenna to the wifi card
<whitequark> it won't work well
<whitequark> also TIL
<whitequark> I'm not a very bright person
<whitequark> :p
<alexgordon> jeannicolas :D
<jeannicolas> I need my daily dose of D4NNY… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unRldLdllZ8&feature=youtu.be
<purr> <micahjohnston> wtf
<whitequark> "my cat has better health insurance than most of Americans"
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<micahjohnston> hi
<purr> micahjohnston: hi!
<alexgordon> micahjohnston hi
<micahjohnston> hi alexgordon
<micahjohnston> ellio: i like the lesbianplaid shirt
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<ellio> hi
<purr> ellio: hi!
<ellio> micahjohnston: lesbianplaid!?
<ellio> micahjohnston: my plaid is excellent. be nice.
<micahjohnston> ellio: lesbianplaid = excellent
<ellio> confus
<ellio> paws? wiff me? >:
<joelteon> i like plaid
<joelteon> I have plaid socks
<micahjohnston> lesbianplaid is not a negative term
<micahjohnston> sure paws
<ellio> didn't know
<micahjohnston> well it's not really ubiquitous
<micahjohnston> but i really like lesbianplaid shirts
<micahjohnston> so
<alexgordon> wtf is a lesbianplaid
<joelteon> so lesbianplaid isn't a thing on google
<joelteon> i just googled it, alexgordon
<joelteon> nothing
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<micahjohnston> anyway
<micahjohnston> paws
<alexgordon> PAWS
<joelteon> PAUWS
<ellio> paws?
<joelteon> pozz
<micahjohnston> pause
<micahjohnston> this is both the slowest and worst pun thread i have ever seen
<alexgordon> yes
<micahjohnston> where is that on pawschan
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<micahjohnston> HI PAWS
<ellio> hi
<purr> ellio: hi!
<ellio> makes census
<micahjohnston> makes sents
<micahjohnston> ellio: PAWS
<alexgordon> PAWS
<micahjohnston> paraffin has never, ever worked for me
<joelteon> guys
<joelteon> so like
<joelteon> I want to make deployment easier
<joelteon> right now when I update my site, I push and there's a post-receive hook on my server that updates the code and restarts unicorn
<joelteon> but...the old unicorn is still up, and I have to ssh in and kill it
<ellio> paws /=
<joelteon> should I just make a
<joelteon> kill-old-unicorn
<ellio> idk now I'm munging up a resumably-download-shit-from-Apple script to work with aria2c
<ellio> idk wat paws
<ellio> oh I need to push that shit
<ellio> get ready for some spammy bee ess
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<ellio> Does anybody here have an exercise routine of some sort?
<ellio> What do you eat?
<ellio> micahjohnston, alexgordon, devyn, dsamarin, whitequark: what kind of care do you take of your bodies, as developers? I *know* you're all fairly skilled, and put a lot of time and effort into making things, learning, etceteras …
<alexgordon> ellio: strangest tech question ever
<joelteon> ellio:
<alexgordon> have you tried stackoverflow?
<ellio> micahjohnston, alexgordon, devyn, dsamarin, whitequark: … do you take as bad-of-care of your bodies as most developers? What are your habits, what are your routines?
<joelteon> I bike to/from work every day
<joelteon> i go to the gym every other day
<ellio> how far is that? how much time do you invest? how does it make you feel?
<joelteon> alternate lower and upper body
<ellio> and what does “go to the gym” mean?
<joelteon> the gym is like 0.8 miles
<joelteon> heavy weight training, not cardio
<joelteon> I hate cardio
<joelteon> I get enough cardio riding to work
<alexgordon> ellio: I do everything except exercise lol
<purr> lol
<ellio> how do you motivate yourself, how do you “feel up to” doing those things?
<ellio> alexgordon: hm?
<joelteon> just cause
<joelteon> also, preworkout
<micahjohnston> ellio: idk right now kinda bad
<joelteon> i'm in better shape than i've ever been right now
<micahjohnston> like, for various reasons i have more control over my diet than i have in the past and it's gone to shit
<micahjohnston> and I haven't run more than once in the past like 6 months
<alexgordon> ellio: I eat well, get a good night's sleep, don't smoke, etc
<ellio> what the hell is preworkout
<alexgordon> but I don't go to the gym
<joelteon> mine's a powder
<micahjohnston> last fall though was during cross country and I was in pretty decent shape and ate and slept well
<joelteon> that you dissolve in water
<micahjohnston> I love cardio
<joelteon> it has protein and some stimulants
<micahjohnston> haven't really done any weights ever
<ellio> oh, “preworkout” meaning pre-workout meal
<micahjohnston> but running is the best thing ever
<joelteon> yeah
<ellio> I can't handle cardio
<ellio> jesus ick
<ellio> but yeah I lifted for the majority of my childhood
<joelteon> yeah, i hate cardio more than anything
<micahjohnston> like, middle of cross country was the best I felt in my life
<alexgordon> I'm not sure weight training is that good for you anyway
<micahjohnston> babies
<micahjohnston> :p
<ellio> I was extremely strong, always have been, but I've fallen off the wagon and I'm just *fucking unhealthy*
<joelteon> i also usually go to the park and kick a soccer ball around
<ellio> my girlfriend is a huge runner
<joelteon> that's for technical skill and fitness
<ellio> or is slowly becoming one
<ellio> it's some sort of life-goal of hers
<ellio> and watching her succeed in that, is making me *so jealous*, and causing *so much stress* on an already-stressed relationship
<ellio> idkwatdo
<ellio> no idea how to work healthy eating into my life.
<joelteon> eat healthy
<ellio> no idea how to work a *fitness* routine (not just weightlifting to be strong, but something regular and sustained for *health*) into my life.
<alexgordon> I mean, well developed muscles might help you get laid, but they don't make you healthier per se
<ellio> super-depressed over it.
<alexgordon> better off running like micahjohnston
<ellio> alexgordon: story of my life.
<joelteon> lifting is pretty good cardio
<joelteon> it's not *excellent*
<joelteon> but it's something
<ellio> that's just it, I can't understand how people run.
<ellio> it's just, so fucking beyond me.
<joelteon> it's better than sitting around
<ellio> it's so uncompfortable and sickening
<joelteon> riding a bike isn't so bad
<micahjohnston> well
<micahjohnston> how long have you run at one time
<micahjohnston> as in distance/time
<ellio> I really *should *try biking.
<micahjohnston> and how extended a period of time have you regularly run for?
<ellio> my best as a kid was something ridiculous.
<joelteon> I used to run a mile and a half in 9 minutes
<ellio> I could swim a mile faster than I could “run” it.
<ellio> it was really sad.
<micahjohnston> haha that is ridiculous
<ellio> I'd collapse halfway in.
<alexgordon> yeah I miss having a bike
<ellio> nowadays … bad.
<joelteon> back during varsity soccer training in high school
<joelteon> i would have to get up every morning and run
<micahjohnston> don't worry about walking in the middle at first
<ellio> no idea distance/time. terrified of measuring myself. don't want to put numbers that I can remember, to m ysuckage.
<joelteon> and we'd have 5-hour practices
<joelteon> 7 to noon
<joelteon> which involves conditioning, weight training, and soccer
<joelteon> that was some good shit
<joelteon> the season just ended here so there's nothing like that around here for me
<joelteon> not for a couple months
<micahjohnston> but basically
<micahjohnston> i used to not be able to run a mile without stopping
<micahjohnston> or feeling sick
<micahjohnston> a mile used to be lots and lots
<alexgordon> ellio: are there no beautiful places where you live? like national parks or something
<micahjohnston> and then after cross country then four miles sounds like not very much to run
<ellio> I'm from fuckin' Alaska o_O
<joelteon> running is garbage
<ellio> right now I'm in Chicag
<ellio> but not sure how it's relevant
<micahjohnston> joelteon: …what?
<joelteon> i just hate it
<joelteon> it sucks
<joelteon> but we already went over that
<alexgordon> micahjohnston: GARBAGE
<ellio> Chelsea's signed up for some big half-marathon in Florida next spring
<joelteon> so i'll can it
<ellio> and just decided to start training for it
<micahjohnston> oh nice
<micahjohnston> i'm apparently doing a triathlon at the end of the summer
<micahjohnston> a mini oen
<ellio> exact opposite of nice ಠ_ಠ
<micahjohnston> one
<ellio> I might, miiiiight bike
<joelteon> I can handle running if it involves sports
<ellio> sounds better than fucking running
<joelteon> but not *just* running
<ellio> it doesn't *sound* fucking sickeningly hard
<joelteon> running with sports
<alexgordon> yeah cycling is fun because you get to go fast
<joelteon> is
<ellio> if only Chelsea weren't a huge bike-nut too
<joelteon> well, it's just because
<joelteon> running is kind of boring
<joelteon> but if you're playing a sport, there's something else you're doing
<ellio> the only thing I can imagine doing and not being outclassed by her constantly, is weight-lifting. But I don't want to do that. I need to be healthy. I feel sick, terrible, all of the time.
<alexgordon> true
<joelteon> maybe you should see a doctor
<ellio> I will be, soon
<ellio> several reasons
<alexgordon> ellio: apart from exercise, are you healthy?
<alexgordon> grilled hands recently?
<ellio> not remotely.
<alexgordon> heh
<ellio> she's just gotten off of an extremely successful diet, too
<ellio> Keto'd away fuckin' fitty-some pounds
<ellio> idfk what that is in real-person units
<ellio> but apparently it's a lot
<joelteon> keto is pretty irritating
<joelteon> because i don't have the resources for it
<joelteon> but it looks like it would work
<ellio> resources?
<joelteon> yeah
<alexgordon> eh
<alexgordon> eat less
<joelteon> grocery shopping
<joelteon> i don't have a car
<joelteon> i don't eat a lot, and i don't eat much carbs
<alexgordon> isn't keto the one where you eat a lot of expensive meat?
<micahjohnston> keto doesn't sound like something i'd want to try
<joelteon> keto is the one where you eat meat and plants
<alexgordon> personally, I think it's bullshit all these diets.
<joelteon> i'm fine with the meat bit
<joelteon> the plants, meh
<joelteon> but i can't really go without any carbohydrates
<joelteon> not yet
<alexgordon> people get fat because they consume too much food
<alexgordon> fix that, and it's easy
<micahjohnston> alexgordon: well there is a massive difference in the *kind* of food we eat today and in the past
<micahjohnston> lots more shitty simple carbs
<alexgordon> really?
<micahjohnston> stuff that is in short supply in nature so is basically addictive
<joelteon> yeah, simple carbs are not great
<micahjohnston> so we eat lots of it because we're programmed to treat it as scarce
<alexgordon> I think the human diet has been quite diverse even during prehistory
<alexgordon> humanity has reached all corners of the planet
<micahjohnston> well yeahg
<micahjohnston> but that doesn't mean there were prehistoric humans eating mcdoubles for lunch
<alexgordon> it seems that humans are for the most part equally efficient at processing all kinds of food
<micahjohnston> not all kinds
<alexgordon> well not sugar perhaps
<joelteon> simple carbohydrates (and sugar) are quickly processed into fat
<alexgordon> but many many peoples rely on "carbs"
<joelteon> because we're supposed to store it
<ellio> oh gods
<alexgordon> like rice
<micahjohnston> yeah nobody's saying we shouldn't eat carbs
<ellio> please not this argument
<ellio> completely in a place while I'll alexgordon the room
<ellio> ಠ_ಠ
<ellio> moving on
<ellio> i like puppies
<joelteon> yeah, the asian diet is very carby
<alexgordon> that sentence does not make sense
<ellio> -squirrel! @ ellio
<purr> ellio: http://cl.ly/8qke
<alexgordon> oh you mean kick
<alexgordon> complete in a place while I'll alexgordon the room
<alexgordon> joelteon: lots of fat asians
<joelteon> lots of fat americans
<alexgordon> ellio :D
<alexgordon> just saying, diets are bullshit
<joelteon> :D
<joelteon> well
<joelteon> for what it's worth (almost nothing)
<joelteon> i have a friend who is going througm medical school
<joelteon> who does not think much of keto
<alexgordon> you're trying to trick biology, and there's little evidence it can be tricked
<alexgordon> or rather, you're trying to trick thousands of years of natural selection
<ellio> personally, probably won't do keto
<ellio> I don't exactly need to lose weight
<joelteon> nah, don't do it
<ellio> I'm attractive, etc, not the *usual* geek problem
<joelteon> it sucks
<alexgordon> joelteon: and keto is the only one which seems to have a tiny bit of evidence for it
<joelteon> yeah
<joelteon> not enough for me to switch, though
<ellio> just … need to have some form of exercise. or something. to feel healthy.
<joelteon> if I want to get a beach bod, I'll just increase my physical activity
<joelteon> + calorie burn rate
<alexgordon> joelteon: I follow the HN diet
<alexgordon> not sure if I should get diets from HN
<joelteon> i follow the richard stallman diet
<micahjohnston> running, biking, swimming, playing cardio-heavy sports like soccer and stuff
<joelteon> soccer is great
<alexgordon> man all this talk of dieting is making me hungry
<joelteon> i'm going to
<joelteon> join a soccer team as soon as i can
<alexgordon> ellio: get good sleep!
<ellio> I sleep too much, if anything; but I've *never* been able to keep a remotely healthy sleep schedule
<ellio> I have the worst sleeping problems out of anybody you've ever met, guarantee .
<alexgordon> ellio: i.e. no artificial light at night, go to bed when you feel tired, and don't use alarm clocks
<ellio> believe me, I know this shit
<alexgordon> this is another thing which people try to trick biology and fail
<alexgordon> people just fundamentally can't grasp adaptation
<alexgordon> ellio: hm, well if you do some good exercise ("cardio"), that might improve your sleep
<alexgordon> ellio: do you use f.lux, it solved my sleep problems massively
<ellio> not a fan
<ellio> too much colour-related work
<ellio> also, no way I'm jailbreaking
<alexgordon> dude
<alexgordon> colour related work is not more important than your physical health
<ellio> I very much doubt flux is going to have a serious effect on my physical health.
<alexgordon> it did on mine!
* ellio nods
<ellio> back to dev, I guess
<ellio> if I can think of something to dev.
<micahjohnston> ellio: make me a language to make games in
<alexgordon> micahjohnston: C++
<micahjohnston> alexgordon: fuckyou
<micahjohnston> :)
<micahjohnston> I just made a game in C++
<micahjohnston> now I want to have fun
<micahjohnston> and enjoy my life
<vil> hahaha
<vil> hi guys
<alexgordon> SUP EVANS
<vil> that's now on the tumblr
<vil> because it needed to be there
<alexgordon> ?
<joelteon> Oh, bo
<joelteon> y
<joelteon> my landlady is pissed at me now
<vil> why?
<joelteon> because I didn't lock the back door when I went to work
<vil> micahjohnston: that's such a fantastic ad
<vil> joelteon: ah
<joelteon> I do not recall a time *in my life* when that door was locked
<joelteon> I didn't even know it *had* a lock
<joelteon> still my fault
<joelteon> but it's not like i did it on purpose
<joelteon> and now she's saying she doesn't trust me to live there
<alexgordon> are you live-ircing this argument?
<alexgordon> "1 sec, gotta enter what you just said into colloquy"
<alexgordon> "okaay, done. continue."
<joelteon> nah
<joelteon> it's text messages
<joelteon> sometimes I can communicate through two media at once
<vil> that's insane
<joelteon> anyway, i would totally appreciate not living there anymore
<joelteon> i'm looking for a place, actually