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<incomprehensibly> joelteon: porcupine tree!
<incomprehensibly> :D
<joelteon> ya
<alexgordon> OMG IT'S incomprehensibly
<joelteon> incomprehensibly what
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<vil> hi guys
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<vil> ec: nice topic font :P
<joelteon> ok
<joelteon> so am I here now
<vil> hi joelteon
<joelteon> ok i am
<vil> so bored
<jesusabdullah> my font doesn't support those characters APPARENTLY
<jesusabdullah> (unicode does work in this terminal)
<vil> someone teach me how to write asynchronous networking code
<vil> jesusabdullah: Monaco FTW
<joelteon> åøéü
<jesusabdullah> monaco, huh?
<vil> they're really obscure gothic lettering
<vil> the font
<vil> yeah
<vil> is best font
<vil> -best mona co
<purr> MONACO IS BESTCO
<vil> I love you, purr
<jesusabdullah> how I install monaco on unbuntuo lol
<purr> lol
<jesusabdullah> I'm using anonymous pro
<vil> jesusabdullah: not a clue
<jesusabdullah> which is pretty sweet honestly
<vil> check the software channels?
<jesusabdullah> yeah maybe
<vil> I can't believe it's not installed
<vil> every computer I've ever used has had it
<jesusabdullah> and they were ALL MACS
<joelteon> fuckin old stuff
<vil> nope
<vil> I switched in 2008
<joelteon> -best butt hole
<purr> BUTTHOLE IS BESTHOLE
<vil> Anonymous Pro looks nice
<vil> but I can see why it doesn't have full Unicode support
<vil> "designed especially for coders"
<vil> more languages should use unicode for stuff
<vil> seriously though someone explain me how asynchronous code does magic
<vil> I dun get it
<vil> and I need to make libcurl's multi-handle work
<vil> ♪ Below Us Seven Lions
<purr> vil is listening to “Below Us (Feat. Shaz Sparks)”, by Seven Lions
<vil> <3 Seven Lions
<purr> Let it be known that vil hearts Seven Lions.
<jesusabdullah> vil: agreement
<jesusabdullah> vil: what's not to get? XD
<vil> I know how to use it, not how to implement it
<vil> everything I've ever used asynchronous techniques with is is black box that says "this is asynchronous"
<vil> but I have to write the box now
<vil> in other news, asynchronous is really hard to spell and type
<vil> it takes me like fifteen seconds each time
<vil> I know runloops are one way to do it
<vil> but I'm not sure how that works in my current situation
<jesusabdullah> what exactly are you implementing here?
<vil> WELL
<vil> YOU SEE
<jesusabdullah> NO I DONT SEE
<vil> I have an app that is a bit like CloudApp
<vil> combined with Transmit
<jesusabdullah> I'm not really familiar with either of those things
<vil> so you provide destinations on standard file transfer protocols, drag your file onto the app, and pick where you want it to go
<jesusabdullah> more pressing: I'm not familiar with jade at all, and on the face of it I haets it
<vil> Droplr?
<vil> CloudApp is like Droplr
<jesusabdullah> ec: how do you do tags in your git commits again? We always did [tag] AS YOU MAY RECALL
<vil> Transmit is an FTP/Amazon S3/etc client
<jesusabdullah> not familiar with that either lol
<purr> lol
<vil> getcloudapp.com
<jesusabdullah> oh okay
<jesusabdullah> so, like
<jesusabdullah> use node.js and call it a day?
<vil> lolno
<vil> it's a Cocoa app
<vil> and the transfer protocols are implemented as plugins
<vil> so I can add more easily
<jesusabdullah> griss
<jesusabdullah> gross*
<vil> idealy, the plugins would be async
<vil> so I don't have to worry about threading in the main app
<vil> the plugins can use it if they want
<vil> (but I'd rather not)
<vil> I love Objective-C
<vil> not a huge fan of Cocoa, but parts are good
<vil> I put up with the rest
<vil> <3 Objective-C
<purr> Let it be known that vil hearts Objective-C.
<jesusabdullah> is there some kind of async frameworky thing for objc?
<vil> there's a curl wrapper that exists already, but it's crap
<vil> and uses threading
<jesusabdullah> curl is crap for async anyways
<jesusabdullah> weak
<vil> yeah but it knows all of my protocols
<jesusabdullah> yeah
<jesusabdullah> can you shell out? XD
<vil> the multi-handle will work fine if I can learn how to write the rest
<vil> I could use NSTask to run curl, but it'll make me hate myself
<jesusabdullah> lol
<purr> lol
<jesusabdullah> yeah, no idea re: obj-c
<jesusabdullah> I know theoretically how event loops work
<vil> I'm using the easy-handle right now with no problems, the API is actually really nice
<jesusabdullah> but not enough to tell you how to do it, much less how to do it in obj-c
<alexgordon> ?
<vil> I don't need to know language specifics, I just don't even know where to start
<vil> hi alexgordon
<jesusabdullah> what about libuv?
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<drcocoa> lol libuv and cocoa?
<jesusabdullah> the basic idea, vil, is that there's a big ol' loop
<vil> right
<jesusabdullah> and every tick, there's a stack of new things to deal with
<vil> and it checks for events
<jesusabdullah> right
<jesusabdullah> !
<vil> and triggers
<jesusabdullah> and that's implemented on top of an os-level thinger
<drcocoa> what's the question vil
<jesusabdullah> like, kqueue and such
<drcocoa> how are you doing vil
<vil> drcocoa: I am good, how are you?
<drcocoa> vil: I'm a doctor
<vil> drcocoa: I need to implement some sort of async stuff around libcurl's multi-handle
<vil> inside of a loadable bundle
<vil> so that the instances of my plugins are async and happy
<drcocoa> wtf is multi handle
<vil> and I don't have to thread to upload files
<vil> drcocoa: it's just a bundle of upload instructions, basically
<drcocoa> why are you using libcurl
<vil> because it knows FTP and SFTP and such
<vil> and I don't
<drcocoa> lol
<purr> lol
<drcocoa> must be a cocoa wrapper for curl
<vil> there is
<vil> it's crap
<drcocoa> heh
<vil> I have a fork of it on my github
<drcocoa> so why not just C it?
<vil> more trouble than it's worth
<vil> I am just using the C interface right now
<vil> using easy-handles
<vil> but I have to move to multi if I want to make it async
<joelteon> why cant you c
<vil> because that lets you control when it runs
<vil> basically you invoke multi_perform to transfer a chunk, then it waits for you to do it again
<vil> I think
<vil> it'll also tell you when it would like to be invoked via callback and such
<vil> I really just have no idea what I'm doing
<vil> it mentions select(), which I also don't know how to use
<vil> ♪ Tyven Seven Lions
<purr> vil is listening to “Tyven”, by Seven Lions
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<vil> so do I like create my own NSRunLoop or something
<vil> or do I hook into the main one
<vil> or some other third thing
<vil> ugh. I should just stick with threading, except it's awful too
<vil> guys in #macdev told me that I shouldn't need it
<vil> I seem to have scared you all off
<vil> "Current interrupt systems are rather lackadaisical when compared to some highly-tuned earlier ones…"
<vil> who the fuck uses the term lackadaisical in a wikipedia article about async IO
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<incomprehensibly> ec:
<joelteon> vil:
<joelteon> mac dev is hard
<incomprehensibly> 14:56 <ec> I think “he had some neat ideas” fully describes micahjohnston/incomprehensibly.
<ec> hi
<purr> ec: hi!
<ec> not really here, though
<ec> jesusabdullah: http://ell.io/tt$.gitlabels
<jesusabdullah> aha
<jesusabdullah> ec: part of me wants to do hashtags
<incomprehensibly> ec: went to university orientation today
<incomprehensibly> got a girl's number
<incomprehensibly> thought she was being all flirtly over text
<jesusabdullah> ec: This is my commit #api #trololo
<incomprehensibly> then on facebook she's in a relationship
<purr> trololo
* incomprehensibly is grump
<jesusabdullah> purr gets it
<jesusabdullah> whiner.
<jesusabdullah> I HAVENT BEEN LAID IN YEARS
<incomprehensibly> me neither
<ec> vil: what do you mean, re: asynchronous?
<ec> vil: everything you've seen before that said “asynchronous,” except Paws, was using low-level threads in a non-threaded language to provide easy parallelism of specific tasks, without exposing the threads to the non-threaded language.
<incomprehensibly> whitequark: ocaml's functors kind of mirror the category theory definition, just in a different way than haskell's, if i remember correctly
<ec> basically, “asynchronicity” == exposing threaded, parallelized code in the language-of-implementation, to the non-threaded userspace.
<ec> jesusabdullah: lolwat
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<incomprehensibly> ec: getting a macbook tomorrow!
<ec> NO WAY
<ec> :D
<ec> I'm playing Civ 5. :D
<ec> It's fun. :D
<ec> with Brian. :D
<incomprehensibly> gonna be the higher end of the two standard-res 13inches
<incomprehensibly> oh cool
<incomprehensibly> my friends play civ5 a lot but I don't have it
<incomprehensibly> who's Brian again?
<ec> get it, it's great
<ec> Brian is the youngest Wollan son
<ec> @Brian_Phillip
<incomprehensibly> wollan?
<ec> D:
<ec> WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH MY BEST-INTERNET-FRIEND
<ec> My Wollans. Lower48-family.
<ec> LOLWHALLON
<purr> LOLWHALLON
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<incomprehensibly> ec: i vaguely remember something
<incomprehensibly> :p
<ec> I have a family in the lower-48 that are nearly like family to me
<incomprehensibly> oh ok
<ec> parents, and siblings, of my first college roommate, Christian
<incomprehensibly> cool
<incomprehensibly> AM I YOUR BEST INTERNET FRIEND
<ec> I haven't talked to Christian in years, but I see their family every time I come through the midwest
<incomprehensibly> I'M GOING TO COLLEGE ON AUGUST 22
<ec> yes <3
<incomprehensibly> <3 <3
<purr> Let it be known that incomprehensibly hearts <3.
<incomprehensibly> well i do
<ec> those statements *seem* like they should be related, 'cause caps and immediacy
<ec> but they actually aren't
<vil> ec: THANK YOU
<incomprehensibly> yeah :p
<ec> “I AM GOING TO COLLGE ON AUGUST 22 BECAUSE I AM YOUR BEST INTERNET FRIEND”
<incomprehensibly> MY BEST REAL LIFE FRIEND WILL BE MY ROOMMATE
<ec> is how I read that
<incomprehensibly> IS ANOTEHR FACT
<vil> that's all I needed, a two line explanation
<vil> hi incomprehensibly
<incomprehensibly> hi vil
<ec> another FACT-IN-CAPS, actually.
<incomprehensibly> going to colelgelglevlcge
<ec> vil: <3
<ec> lol incomprehensibly
<ec> you're soooooo excited
<vil> incomprehensibly: COLLEGE IS AWESOME
<incomprehensibly> ec: I'M GONNA HAVE A MACBOOK AND KEYBOARD AND MONITORSPEAKERS AND PUT THEM IN THE DORM ROOM
<ec> wait, vil is in college!?
<ec> incomprehensibly: omg.
<incomprehensibly> AND HAVE LOADS OF SEX
* vil facedesks
<incomprehensibly> AND MAKE MUSIC
<incomprehensibly> ec: we're gonna make a website
<incomprehensibly> like
<incomprehensibly> ismicahorcaiusgettinglaid.com
<incomprehensibly> and then
<incomprehensibly> a raspi
<incomprehensibly> and you flick a switch
<vil> incomprehensibly: the sex part doesn't get any less difficult just because you're in college
<incomprehensibly> and it changes the website
<incomprehensibly> so you can visit it on a smartphone to tell if the room is off-limits
<incomprehensibly> vil: well i beg to differ
<vil> haha
<incomprehensibly> vil: if i and my ex hadn't lived at home there would have been much more
<ec> incomprehensibly: …
<ec> incomprehensibly: … I feel like, everything just said, makes it essentially unnecessary.
<ec> The *act of describing that device* has made the device unnecessary.
<ec> What form if meta is that? Does it have a name? It should have a name.
<incomprehensibly> oh are you making a joke that people who mess with raspis do not have sex
<vil> our code phrase for "currently having sex" was "blackhawk down"
<vil> on the whiteboard
<incomprehensibly> haha
<vil> now that you mention it though, I do need a project to use my Pi for
<incomprehensibly> ec: anyway you're wrong because people who mess with raspis do have sex
<vil> ec: and yes, I'll be a sophomore in the fall
<incomprehensibly> and that's a fact
* incomprehensibly is eating m&ms
<vil> MNMS
<incomprehensibly> COLLEGGE
<vil> I'm better at the whole social thing having been through a year of college now
<incomprehensibly> nice
<vil> still not better at the whole relationship thing
<vil> I had a girlfriend for a bit!
* incomprehensibly highfives
<incomprehensibly> o/
* vil returns it
<vil> I dunno
<incomprehensibly> how'd that go?
<vil> well, neither of us hate each other afterwards, so that's good
<incomprehensibly> that's good
<vil> but I was never really that into her I guess
<vil> I was hoping I would be
<vil> she really liked me
<incomprehensibly> ah i know how that goes
<vil> and I figured, once I got used to it, it would grow on me
<vil> but no such luck
<incomprehensibly> yeah, it's so rare for two people's feelings to line up
<vil> I'm not really ready to have someone attached to me anyway
<vil> other people are complicated
<vil> and I have a short attention span
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<vil> but I'm glad it happened
<vil> hi devyn
<devyn> hi vil
<incomprehensibly> vil: mhm
<devyn> bought RAM. sad :(
<devyn> so expensive
<devyn> not happy
<vil> bad stick?
<vil> oh
<vil> how much geebees?
<devyn> 2x4GB $70 :(
<incomprehensibly> buyer's remorse?
<incomprehensibly> aw i gtg
<incomprehensibly> gnight
<devyn> incomprehensibly: no I needed it but it's too goddamn expensive right now
<vil> incomprehensibly: g'night
<vil> devyn: upgrading to 8GB was the best decision I ever made
<vil> took my old laptop from meh to awesome
<incomprehensibly> devyn: aw
<incomprehensibly> ec: hey you know stuff
<incomprehensibly> devyn: and you too
<incomprehensibly> so
<ec> hm?
<incomprehensibly> when are new macbooks coming
<ec> busy, bro >:
<incomprehensibly> i want to make the best decision
<incomprehensibly> sorry
<ec> check the site
<vil> incomprehensibly: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
<vil> incomprehensibly: get an air they're awesome
<incomprehensibly> coo
<incomprehensibly> vil: but they ain't powahful
<vil> and massive batterly life now
<devyn> vil: it's for my server. I would have liked to put way more than 8 GB in but not at these prices
<vil> mine runs Xcode and Minecraft, those are the two most power-heavy things I run :P
<vil> devyn: yeah. I wanted 16 for this Air, but the 11" doesn't support it
<incomprehensibly> yeah it would be sweet for battery and portability
<devyn> I have 4 GB RAM and an SSD on my MacBook
<vil> perfect for on campus
<devyn> it runs wonderfully
<vil> that's why I got it
<incomprehensibly> but I think I'd appreciate the extra power of a pro
<vil> ^
<ec> it's more than powerful enough, incomprehensibly
<vil> 8gb air with ssd flies
<ec> get an air. trust me.
<ec> upgraded Air, with an external display: couldn't be happier if you did that
<vil> my old pro was 2.33 (ish) ghz
<vil> my air is 1.7 and is twice as fast perceptibly
<devyn> yeah clock speed isn't a measure of performance between different models of processors :p
<vil> the SSD makes a huge difference because it shifts the bottleneck
<devyn> and yes whatever you do, get an SSD
<vil> devyn: well, it's the best I've got
<incomprehensibly> hm i was just gonna get 13 inch pro w hard drive
<vil> and the "twice as fast perceptibly" is the important part anyway
<devyn> my MacBook Unibody/White Late 2009 used to take like one and a half to two minutes to start up
<devyn> now it does it in 10 seconds
<vil> about the same here
<devyn> more like 6 or 7 not counting login time
<joelteon> yeah
<joelteon> startup is way better now
<incomprehensibly> aw man now i'm all indecisive againnnnn
<joelteon> not that i ever shut off my laptop
<joelteon> but if i did
<devyn> haha same :p
<vil> incomprehensibly: get an air, try it, you can always swap it within the return period
<vil> you'll love it
<incomprehensibly> if i can swap it will only exacerbate indecisiveness
<incomprehensibly> :p
<vil> haha
<devyn> just get an air
<devyn> laptops are meant for portability not performance
<devyn> get a desktop if you want something with high perf
<incomprehensibly> well this will be my only computer
<incomprehensibly> i am poor
<vil> here's my setup: air for everything, cheap eBay Mac mini as a file server with 1TB
<devyn> the air will be plenty performant for what you want to do
<devyn> especially the new one
<vil> by cheap I mean ~$100
<vil> plus 12 hour battery life
<vil> god I want that
<vil> dammit Apple
<devyn> incomprehensibly: you're looking at this from the perspective of your current computer. stop it. your MacBook is really fucking old. the new Air will beat the pants off of it
<incomprehensibly> devyn: i haven't had my macbook for months and months
<incomprehensibly> it died
<devyn> oh right
<devyn> well
<incomprehensibly> i'm currently on a relatively recent mac mini
<devyn> how recent
<incomprehensibly> which is my family's
<devyn> also if it has a hard drive it doesn't count
<devyn> the air will still beat the pants off it
<devyn> :p
<incomprehensibly> mid 2011
<incomprehensibly> i guess
<incomprehensibly> ec: so you really recommend air over pro
<devyn> currently my server is the only computer I own without a solid state drive
<ec> Yep, incomprehensibly
<devyn> it has made such a difference
<ec> SSD <3
<vil> -best S SD
<purr> SSD IS BESTSD
<devyn> -best SOLIDSTATEDRIVE
<purr> SOLIDSTATEDRIVE IS BESTDRIVE
<vil> incomprehensibly: smuggle the mini to college with you as well
<incomprehensibly> vil: lol
<purr> lol
<incomprehensibly> it's the primary computer my family uses now
<vil> you can hide it in the space that the Air won't take up
<devyn> haha
<incomprehensibly> haha
<vil> that reminds me, I need a smaller laptop sleeve for my backpack
<vil> the one in there fits up to 15"
<vil> and takes up half the space
<vil> I can literally put the air in width-wise
<incomprehensibly> haha wow
<devyn> lol
<vil> …or I could get another Air and stack them
<vil> hmm
<joelteon> yeah why wouldn't you want two laptops
<devyn> I have a 13" MacBook in a 15" nylon sleeve. it'd probably be nice to have something smaller but it's fine
<devyn> hahahaha
<vil> joelteon: one for each hand
<devyn> give them both names and talk to them for text input
<vil> I have a 1999 Powerbook, could take that
<vil> 500mhz, baby
<vil> upgraded it myself
<joelteon> should I use...linux?
<devyn> on what
<joelteon> for a desktop
<joelteon> if i do i'll buy like
<joelteon> an ultrabook or something
<vil> lolultrabook
<purr> lolultrabook
<vil> -best ULTRA BOOK
<purr> ULTRABOOK IS BESTBOOK
<vil> such a dumb name
<vil> anyway
<joelteon> -best best iality
<purr> BESTIALITY IS BESTIALITY
<devyn> honestly lenovo's “ultrabooks” are probably the best windows laptops you can get
<joelteon> yeah that's what i'm saying
<joelteon> get the least shitty non-macbook
<joelteon> because it's cheaper
<vil> most likely, yeah
<joelteon> and I don't want arch to fuck up my hardware
<devyn> I'd just go with a macbook though
<joelteon> like they say it will
<joelteon> yeah
<vil> I really like Vizio's hardware, dunno about specs
<joelteon> battery life is shit though
<joelteon> for my macbook
<vil> MAC BOOK FOR WIN
<devyn> your macbook has shitty battery life?
<devyn> what planet are you from?
<vil> Mac for interaction, Linux for servers, Windows for solitaire
<joelteon> the planet where the people who write mac drivers for arch linux are morons
<vil> power management is hard
<joelteon> yeah
<vil> why are you using not OS X
<joelteon> i am
<joelteon> battery life is shit for my macbook when i use arch
<vil> oh ok
<devyn> joelteon: well I won't judge your choices because I've been there, but are you using cpupower / frequency scaling?
<vil> Apple does some crazy shit to get the life they do
<devyn> because that would be a big part
<joelteon> as far as i remember, i did
<vil> like App Nap in 10.9
<joelteon> >_>
<vil> that's gonna be awesome
<devyn> it might be
<ec> ughgghghghawhatr
<devyn> I'm skeptical
<joelteon> it won't be for me
<joelteon> because i use a tiling wm
<vil> I sorta do
<joelteon> yeah and i do wanna try arch
<vil> Moom
<joelteon> but
<joelteon> if it does get all fucked up
<ec> arch <3
<joelteon> also, multi monitor support
<joelteon> what happens then
<vil> Arch will be on my next server
<joelteon> is linuxg ood at that
<vil> when I build one
<vil> just remembered that they fixed full screen <3
<vil> why don't I have 10.9 yet
<joelteon> PLS RSPOND
<vil> joelteon: I THINK it can do it ok? Dunno
<vil> I've never run linux on my primary machine
<vil> I've only recently learned enough Unix to run it at all
<joelteon> meh
<joelteon> honestly if i could get a proper WM on osx there would be no reason to ever use any other OS
<joelteon> that's my only problem
<vil> right?
<vil> I want tiling dammit
<vil> overlapping windows are stupid
<devyn> there are several ways to do multi-monitor on linux. I'd suggest using xmonad and xinerama
<joelteon> oh, jesus, no
<joelteon> ok
<joelteon> i'm gonna write a tiling window manager myself
<vil> fucking X
<joelteon> main problem is that the accessibility API doesn't allow you to force window size
<vil> why is it still a thing
<devyn> ↑
<devyn> that's why they're making wayland
<devyn> but it's going to be a slow transition
<devyn> :p
<vil> yeah
<vil> why was X ever a thing? so much useless
<devyn> it was very useful
<devyn> X is very old
<joelteon> maybe I could hack it
<devyn> it was very good before we had to extend it a billion times to get it to do modern things
<joelteon> also there's the fact that the 10.9 accessibility API makes no fucking sense
<incomprehensibly> ec: BUT WHAT ABOUT DVD DRIVE
<vil> joelteon: what'd they do? I haven't looked
<incomprehensibly> AND ETHERNET PORT AND HDMI PORT
<joelteon> vil: they split it into like 30 things
<vil> incomprehensibly: lol optical media
<purr> lol
<joelteon> and none of them look like something that would let you move windows
<devyn> incomprehensibly: who the fuck cares about optical media. also displayport/thunderbolt
<joelteon> and i asked #macdev and they don't answer 10.9 questions
<joelteon> so I restored from time machine
<vil> incomprehensibly: USB 3 ethernet adaptor, you won't even notice
<vil> yeah, macdev doesn't discuss NDA stuff, ever
<incomprehensibly> devyn: i watch most movies on dvd right now because i can't pirate or i'd get in trouble
<incomprehensibly> and dvds are easy to get free/cheap temporarlity
<incomprehensibly> temporarily
<incomprehensibly> library/redbox
<incomprehensibly> but yeah, netflix/pirating
<incomprehensibly> once i'm outta the house
<incomprehensibly> i'ma watch movies w my roommate who has literal riches in pirated mobvies
<incomprehensibly> movies
<devyn> incomprehensibly: I can set you up torrenting via my server… once I fix that, oops
<incomprehensibly> gigabytes and gigabytres
<incomprehensibly> devyn: no it's more that
<incomprehensibly> devyn: if i'm wtaching things my parents may ask where i got them
<incomprehensibly> devyn: :p
<incomprehensibly> vil: cool
<devyn> oh, lol
<incomprehensibly> vil: whoa, same price?
<incomprehensibly> thunderbolt one is obviously better
<incomprehensibly> :p
<vil> why has nobody made a damn thunderbolt hub yet
<incomprehensibly> well the one port is a reason
<vil> incomprehensibly: except you need it for HDMI
<incomprehensibly> i supose
<devyn> because you're supposed to daisy chain
<incomprehensibly> yeah hubs
<vil> devyn: I'd prefer not to buy Apple's $1000 display to get another monirot
<vil> *monirot
<vil> wow
<vil> fuck it
<joelteon> monirot
<joelteon> i got my display for free!
<vil> I got mine from Woot
<vil> was cheap as hell
<devyn> shitty source, but
<devyn> a hub with ethernet, two TB ports, and 3 usb ports, also audio
<vil> one TB port is used to attach it though
<devyn> true
<vil> which means I get all the ports that I already have and my current monitor
<vil> and it's $300
<devyn> yeah :'(
<devyn> I think maybe thunderbolt is not easy to work with or something
<vil> that's the impression I've gotten, yeah
<joelteon> you know what's awesome
<vil> so much processing power is needed
<joelteon> vagrant
<vil> haven't used it, but I've heard good things
<vil> speaking of monirots, I need to clean mine
<vil> I just want two external displays from my Air, that's all :(
<vil> then my life would be complete
<vil> but it's impossible except for the thunderbolt display
<incomprehensibly> does anyone know when the pros will be updated next
<joelteon> pro whats
<incomprehensibly> mbps
<joelteon> nop
<incomprehensibly> apparently august or september
<vil> sounds right
<vil> but still expensive
<vil> extremely mixed reviews
<vil> anyway, I need to sleep
<vil> see you guys later
<devyn> vil: I think it probably depends on how weak a signal your monitors can handle
<devyn> there's a reason the Apple MDP to Dual-Link DVI adapter has its own power (i.e. it's an active adapter)
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<incomprehensibly> SHE GOT ME UP ALL NIGHT
<incomprehensibly> CONSTANT DRINKIN AND LOVE SONGS
<incomprehensibly> ec: you seem like you'd like that song
<racaille> only good song he ever made
<incomprehensibly> racaille: only one i've ever really listened :p
<incomprehensibly> but such a good song
<incomprehensibly> well i gtg
<racaille> me too
<incomprehensibly> gnight everyone
<incomprehensibly> <3
<devyn> racaille: never seen you 'round before
<racaille> devyn: oh but you have
<devyn> lemme guess, you're another gq
<devyn> hm
<devyn> probably not
<devyn> you do compsci stuff and she doesn't
<devyn> very much
<devyn> really at all
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
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<joelteon> god
<joelteon> i'm so
<joelteon> tired
<jesusabdullah> what's a gq
<devyn> lol looks like I don't know how to use Arctic Silver right.
<purr> lol
<racaille> devyn: nah it's just me upgrayeddd mang
<devyn> ohey
<jesusabdullah> hehe
<devyn> ah
<devyn> oh
<devyn> my god
<devyn> japanese archers c.1860 COLORIZED
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<devyn> nice nick you got there
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<incomprehensibly> WE OUT WE OUT WE OUT
<incomprehensibly> GOT ME UP ALL NIGHT
<incomprehensibly> best video ever
<incomprehensibly> it's got UK Garage in it
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<vil> incomprehensibly: omfg the EDM clip was perfect
<vil> yay Ska
<incomprehensibly> vil: I freaked out at the UK Garage
<incomprehensibly> and IDM
<vil> I need to listen to more Garage, is good
<incomprehensibly> it's so so so good
<vil> currently listening to Chiptune, actually
<incomprehensibly> oh, completely unrelated song that I have been typing the lyrics of
<incomprehensibly> have you listened to "power trip" by j cole?
<vil> no
<incomprehensibly> it's hip hop
<incomprehensibly> it's the best song ever
<vil> ♪ Heart Warming Story Xinon
<purr> vil is listening to “Heart Warming Story”, by Xinon
<vil> -song power trip j cole
<purr> vil: “J.Cole - Power Trip (ft. Miguel)” by Ragged Recrords Presents:: <http://tinysong.com/1aOly>, “Power Trip (feat. Miguel)” by J Cole: <http://tinysong.com/1bNSC>, “Power Trip” by J Cole ft Miguel: <http://tinysong.com/1cFN7>
<vil> will listen
<incomprehensibly> coo
<incomprehensibly> -song dance with me mj cole
<purr> incomprehensibly: “Dance With Me (MJ Cole Remix)” by Ben Westbeech: <http://tinysong.com/OP7n>
<incomprehensibly> vil: sweet uk garage track
<vil> all the things
<vil> incomprehensibly: here's a thing that you should read when you get a chance: http://www.lackadaisycats.com/archive.php
<vil> Power Trip is good
<vil> hip hop isn't really my thing, but it's good
<incomprehensibly> hm reading
<incomprehensibly> hip hop is the best thing ever
<incomprehensibly> :p
<vil> incomprehensibly: the comic is REALLY long
<incomprehensibly> looked like it :p
<vil> like, a couple days worth probably
<vil> really well drawn though
<vil> and written
<incomprehensibly> a couple days means weeks now for me
<incomprehensibly> because i don't get on the computer much these days
<vil> haha
<incomprehensibly> well i'm getting a laptop today!
<incomprehensibly> so maybe more
<incomprehensibly> probably settled on the higher-end 13 inch air
<incomprehensibly> thanks to you guys
<incomprehensibly> THIS EPIANO
<incomprehensibly> is so good
<vil> oh god that transition in Dance With Me
<incomprehensibly> in dance with me
<vil> <3
<incomprehensibly> yeah oh god
<incomprehensibly> so fucking awesome
<vil> haven't gotten to piano yet
<vil> but it's like my favorite instrument
<incomprehensibly> well i thikn the big chords are epiano
<vil> oh right
<vil> yeah
<incomprehensibly> but then there's some sweet plunky solos
<incomprehensibly> but yeah it's the best instrument
<incomprehensibly> also my friend started learning the accordion a bit ago
<incomprehensibly> and that's also the best instrument
<vil> heh, neat
<incomprehensibly> also when i saw mewithoutyou
<incomprehensibly> the singer played accordion
<incomprehensibly> at some parts
<incomprehensibly> uk garage has best rhythms
<incomprehensibly> -best uk garage rhythms
<purr> UKGARAGERHYTHMS IS BESTRHYTHMS
<vil> erg
<incomprehensibly> erg?
<vil> my Comparator script apparently has a thing where it sometimes uses 100% cpu
<vil> the one guys who's using it had it happen
<vil> I have no idea what's causing it
<vil> ♪ Blackout City Anamanaguchi
<purr> vil is listening to “Blackout City”, by Anamanaguchi
<vil> whoa
<vil> I just opened Date & Time preferences and watched my clock pause for 6 seconds to get back in sync with the time servers
<vil> neat
<incomprehensibly> cool
<incomprehensibly> :p
<vil> I love that OS X does it gently like that, instead of just setting it outright
<vil> just installed ntp on my server and it just jumped 15 seconds ahead
<vil> freaked out the minecraft server
<vil> (it was buggin me that my tmux clocks didn't match)
<whitequark> vil: bug in minecraft.
<whitequark> gotta use clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC)
<vil> whitequark: yep, I know. it's never enjoyed time changes
<whitequark> basically if you assume *anything* about time, you're wrong
<whitequark> plain. outright. wrong.
<whitequark> or date.
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<vil> my server is not enjoying compiling node
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<niggler> lol vil
<purr> lol
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<whitequark> vil: doesnt
<whitequark> econnrefused
<vil> hmm
<vil> forgot I have my internal connection redirected
<vil> one moment
<vil> fml
<vil> I always forget how to set up an ssh tunnel
<vil> there we go
<vil> ok, so it's probably my router being an ass, per the usual
<vil> yup
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<vil> fuck
<vil> why
<vil> it's entirely possible that AT&T is filtering it
<joelteon> butts
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<vil> joelteon: my thoughts exactly
<vil> anyone want to nmap scan my server to see if 80 is open?
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<whitequark> vil: works
<vil> works as in the page is there now?
<vil> or 80 is open
<whitequark> page is there
<vil> I still can't see it through my proxy
<vil> ok, cool
<whitequark> consequently 80 is open
<vil> well, yeah
<joelteon> and consequently...
<whitequark> also dump whatever's on your router and install openwrt.
<vil> whitequark: I would LOVE to
<vil> but AT&T has proprietary stuff
<vil> on a proprietary router
<vil> you can't even bridge around the router
<vil> it's a piece of crap
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<whitequark> vil: fuck AT&T
<vil> yep
<whitequark> besides
<whitequark> chances that it doesn't matter
<vil> only game in town, though
<vil> it does matter
<whitequark> you crack it open, determine what's inside, dump the flash
<vil> there's an authentication key in their firmware
<whitequark> dump the flash.
<whitequark> install openwrt and reimplement their auth mechanism
<whitequark> or, much more likely
<vil> yep, I totally know how to do that and/or have the equipment
<whitequark> use an existing impl.
<whitequark> vil: you already have the equipment
<whitequark> if not, you will need about $5
<vil> I think they use WPA2 Enterprise, actually
<whitequark> awesome, then it is WAY EASIER
<whitequark> though
<whitequark> do you have wireless uplink?
<vil> ?
<whitequark> well
<whitequark> _where_ do they use WPA2E?
<vil> oh
<vil> it's ADSL
<whitequark> then it's 802.1x, likely
<whitequark> same thing but over the wire, mostly.
<racaille> .tw gselevator
<racaille> where's skybot
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<incomprehensibly> hihihi
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<incomprehensibly> MACBOOK AIR HAS BEEN ORDERED
<incomprehensibly> gonna take a week to get here because i swung for 8gb
<incomprehensibly> devyn: hi
<incomprehensibly> vil: hi
<joelteon> wow
<joelteon> an air
<joelteon> i have a 15 incher
<joelteon> and my laptop is big too
<incomprehensibly> yeah my friend has a 15 inch
<incomprehensibly> it's pretty big
<joelteon> yeah it's heavy too
<joelteon> but I like it better than the airs
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<vil> HI
<purr> vil: hi!
<vil> incomprehensibly: woo
<niggler> incomprehensibly why not the mbp?
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<vil> incomprehensibly: 8GB is a good choice
<niggler> do the new airs use the retina display?
<vil> nope
<niggler> oh that sucks
* vil shrugs
<purr> ¯\(º_o)/¯
<niggler> i wish they'd make an iMac with the higher resolution
<vil> they must not feel that they can get the battery life they want
<vil> graphics card is probably an issue too
<niggler> somehow my 27" iMac puts out a lower resolution than my 15" rmbp
<vil> yeah, the iMac needs to get it
<joelteon> that would be cool
<vil> similar problem there though, that's a massiv epanek
<vil> *panel
<joelteon> i'd like a retina imac but wallpapers would be impossible
<vil> haha
<niggler> god forbid
<vil> no, you'd just usew four at a time
<joelteon> plus laptop + display is close enough already
<niggler> just use the light blue one
<joelteon> yeah I guess I don't really use a wallpaper anymore
<vil> I <3 my wallpaper
<joelteon> i like mine
<niggler> apparently this machine still uses the elephant
<joelteon> it's one of louie mantia's
<joelteon> that "spaceship earth" thing
<joelteon> it's awesome
<vil> mantia's are nice
<joelteon> yeah
<joelteon> him and vladstudio
<joelteon> and I don't think vlad actually makes retina wallpapers
<joelteon> I fucking love vlad's christmas stuff though
<joelteon> god damn
<joelteon> is that pixel art
<vil> yep
<joelteon> that's pretty cool
<vil> it's actually a scaled up gif
<joelteon> you can scale it up by twos
<vil> the lamps animate
<joelteon> and it won't look worse, really
<vil> exactly
<vil> I want a thing that lets gif wallpapers animate though
<vil> that would be a totally worthwile waste of power
<joelteon> i can't imagine ever wanting a gif wallpaper
<vil> it's just the lamps though, nice and subtle
<vil> hang on
<vil> this is froma a game, but I'm not sure which one
* vil cannot type, apparently
<joelteon> what i really loved on arch
<joelteon> was semitransparent xmonad windows
<joelteon> and then a desktopography wallpaper behind them
<joelteon> looked sick
<joelteon> but desktopography doesn't make wallpapers big enough
<vil> here it is http://gim.ie/amSJO
<joelteon> and I absolutely refuse to use a pixelated wallpaper
<joelteon> that is unconscionable
<vil> yeah no I can't either
<vil> it's horrible
<vil> OS X does a fairly nice job of scaling to a point, but just no
<joelteon> no that's just bad
<joelteon> no
<joelteon> thank you
<alexgordon> sup
<joelteon> so can a process with the gid bit set create cgeventrefs
<vil> hi alexgordon