<lundman>
but the sad truth is, if you actually want to do upskirt, you are far better of sticking a mini wifi spycamera in your shoe, instead of trying to angle your phone
<lundman>
so we all have to pay the price
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<pawel5870>
I have mele a2000 and I'm trying to run ubuntu from sdhc card, but when system is starting system stuck after "Starting kernel ..." or few (1-5) lines later. Did anyone have same problem and know solution ?
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<rzk>
at mailing list and here some guy had a big party of mele a2000 with same issue as you, pawel5870
<rzk>
also rm had lockups when booting mk802 from sdcard, afaik.
* rzk
gone to postal office to get his A13 cheapo-tablet
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<calris>
morning
<calris>
does anyone have any suggestions for what is the best filesystem (on a SATA3 SSD) for doing big builds (like entire Android builds)?
<hipboi>
if different, you should put your script.bin to the image
<pawel5870>
from nand to sd ?
<mnemoc>
nanda
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<hipboi>
get the stock script.bin from nanda, and put in the sd card
<hipboi>
usually in the first fat32 partition
<hipboi>
so that u-boot loads it into the ram and kernel reads it
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<calris>
hipboi: Any idea how long it takes for delivery from the dispatch center to Australia? (my order status is currently 'Despatch from Sorting Center GUANGZHOU')
<calris>
Really can't wait for my A2000 for some serious ARM U-Boot hacking :)
<hipboi>
by air mail?
<calris>
Yep
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<TomNL>
Hey guys, I want to try and use my mele as a spice client
<calris>
EMS
<TomNL>
can you tell me if anyone had success with opengles implementation under linux for allwinner a10?
<calris>
I know it's totally out of your control - espeedpost says 10-20 days
<calris>
just wondering what is typical is all...
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<hipboi>
ems should be 7 to 10 days to AU
<calris>
Awesome - thanks :)
<calris>
p.s. if anyone is near gimli - I would love to know how he is going with hi-def hardware decode... just sayin' ;)
* mnemoc
wants a cubieboard!
<TomNL>
hipboi: you did some experimenting with openGL right?
<hipboi>
yes
* calris
wants my A2000 :P
<TomNL>
but not worked in the end?
<lundman>
alas, shipping is the slowest thing in the world :)
<hipboi>
openGL works
<hipboi>
not x11
<calris>
lundman: Nah, shipping is faster than my brain any day
<lundman>
took like 21 days to go from china to tokyo:)
<calris>
Air?
<lundman>
pretty sure some kid had to swim it over
<lundman>
ahhh racial stereotypes is the best kind of humour
* calris
got a loan of an Intel 510 120GB SSD for the weekend
<lundman>
sounds noisy
<calris>
Not as noisy as my 1TB drive when it's hooked up to a SATA3 port
<calris>
sounds like the 'click of death'
<lundman>
nothing like the 45inch HDDs
<lundman>
:)
<calris>
time for me to go :(
<calris>
might see ya' all tomorrow
<calris>
'night
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<TomNL>
hipboi: would it be possible to run gtk apps without x11?
<hipboi>
of course
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<TomNL>
ok i am going to install ubuntu, do you know if there are any images available in which openGL should work?
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<TomNL>
hipboi: If I would compile the linaro 12.07 I would be good to go?
<xxiao>
i got a similar issue with Rx on pogoplug pro, Tx is working fine, Rx is not, with a good serial ttl-usb device
<xxiao>
just unplugged it for 30 mins and will see of a cold reboot later on helps
<xxiao>
even for Tx I had to find a device that just works for pogoplug pro
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<TomNL>
hey guys, I have build linaro desktop today
<TomNL>
but i dont get any signal on hdmi
<TomNL>
did any of you guys, also built it? i have an a2000
<mnemoc>
have you ever had hdmi output from it before?
<TomNL>
not with ubuntu..just with android
<mnemoc>
ok. it was just to confirm it likes your cable/display
<TomNL>
ah ok. i built it using the cnx script..which uses HW pack for mele
<mnemoc>
to have hdmi output it's important 1) to have an script.bin for mele with hdmi as default output
<TomNL>
when i check xorg.log or xrandx it says no display
<mnemoc>
2) modprobe in order
<mnemoc>
3) run X
<TomNL>
you only get output after starting X?
<mnemoc>
we have fbcon support in kernel only since 2 days ago, and I doubt cnxsoft has adapted his hardware packs thing to support it yet
<TomNL>
fbcon?
<TomNL>
ah i see
<TomNL>
sorry...framebuffer console
<mnemoc>
i.e. output without X :)
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<hno>
Now I am annoyed. A13 still fights with me despite both clock module and sdram controller having all registers set as expected, matching what is found in a running booted system.
<hno>
well, there is some clocks like video clock which we have not enabled at all, but still..
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<techn_>
mnemoc: I have used cnx scripts.. they work pretty nice
<Marex>
hno: you know ... just writing the memory controller registers won't probably do the trick
<Marex>
hno: you usually need to write them in some defined sequence
<techn_>
and at the first time I used linaro lubuntu rootfs
<hno>
Marex, yes, and I am..
<hno>
only checking register contents to verify.
<Marex>
hno: and the DRAM IP is the same as on A10 ?
<hno>
Pretty much, but I am using the same initialization sequence as the A13 bootloader.
<Marex>
(I have the feeling you're programming it the same way)
<Marex>
hno: oh, how did you come by it ?
<hno>
by looking at it.
<Marex>
hno: objdump ?
<hno>
yes
<Marex>
it's that simple of a code then ?
<Marex>
ain't you missing some loops or something ?
<Marex>
or delays ?
<hno>
arm is easy to read at the optimization level Allwinner compiles their code, and we have most of the dra, code for both A10 and A13 in C already.
<hno>
s/dra,/dram/
<ibot>
hno meant: arm is easy to read at the optimization level Allwinner compiles their code, and we have most of the dram code for both A10 and A13 in C already.
<Marex>
hno: I c
<hno>
only had to match to existing code and adjust slightly where it differ.
<Marex>
s/\(c\)$/see/
<Marex>
it doesn't pick complex and semi-buggy regexes :(
<Marex>
s/c$/see/
<Marex>
s/c/see/
<ibot>
Marex meant: it doesn't piseek complex and semi-buggy regexes :(
<hno>
it's just search/replace, no regex.
<Marex>
heh
<Marex>
hno: I won't question your RE skillos
<Marex>
s/os/s/
<ibot>
Marex meant: hno: I won't question your RE skills
<hno>
Maybe it's something else entirely I am doign wrong. Will try a SPL now. u-boot appears to run when loaded via JTAG.
<Marex>
hno: get your dram working first ;-)
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<hno>
Mm... the SPL fails as well.Not too unexpected.
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<hno>
Or.... it do show good signs of life when loaded via JTAG, but not when loaded from SD.
<hno>
Or.. no the version with a sunxi boot header do not work via JTAG either. The raw one starts.
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<hno>
u-boot seems to work, but not SPL when loaded with the boot header.
<hno>
without boot header SPL seems to work.
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<Marex>
hno: check if the u-boot-spl.bin is really loaded to the address it's linked against!
<Marex>
hno: that's what I'd expect you fscked up
<hno>
The SPL is not loaded at hte linked address. It's offset 0x30 from the boot header. But should relocate itself.
<hno>
But the intention there is really only to initialize bss.
<hno>
but can't say I understand that part.
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<Marex>
hno: ah, V7 SPL
<Marex>
hno: you sure the code isn't overwriting itself ?
<Marex>
hno: move this babble to #u-boot
<hno>
Ah, it's the relocation that crashes.
<Marex>
hno: so ... you're relocating from BASE+0x30 to BASE ... so probably your code overwrote itself and then jumped back and crashed ?
<hno>
Guess so, but the exact same works on A10 for some reason. Changed base to 0x30 and it's happy.
<Marex>
hno: good! :)
<Marex>
hno: does this mean the A10 now runs the SPL directly without all those allwiener blobs ?
<hno>
We have been doing that on A10 for a long time. This is on A13.
<Marex>
hno: ok
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<hno>
and I suspect this relocation issue is what have been crashing when I try to touch the A10 SPL in any significant manner.
<hno>
will look into that tomorrow. Now time for bed.
<debianin>
hello
<Marex>
hno: it's good to go zzz satisfied due to some major achievement :)
<hno>
Yes
<debianin>
im looking info aboutbubieboard
<debianin>
im looking info about cubieboard
<Marex>
hno: maybe we can continue that in #u-boot tomorrow
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<hno>
screen now says "Starting kernel ..." .Then silent... but it doesn't have any reasonable console arguments set so..
<Marex>
hno: good!
<debianin>
is the board ready for market?
<debianin>
it is possible to buy?
<Marex>
hno: now, give up and go sleep, otherwise you'll spend hours debugging something once it goes wrong
<Marex>
hno: enjoy the sweet moment of achievement and sleep :)
<hno>
debianin, not yet.
<hno>
first a git commit + push..
<debianin>
hno im deep interested in that board. it is so bigger/powerfull than raspberrypi. when is time to market of cibueboard?
<Marex>
debianin: get nitrogen6q
<hno>
debianin, not sure. It's supposed to go live now, but there appears to be some delay.
<debianin>
Marex, what is nitrogen6q?
<Marex>
debianin: google for it ... BD's mx6q based board
<debianin>
hno delay? weeks? months? gen 2013?
<debianin>
Marex, ok i google about
<traeak>
mx6 vapor board :-p
<RaYmAn>
Marex: kind of a different price as well ;) (and overkill if all you need is a10-level performance
<hno>
debianin, not the right person to answer and the one who know is not here right now.
<Marex>
traeak: not really, I have one
<debianin>
hno, who is the right person? so i will contact him later if you tell me his nickname
<hno>
cubieboard
<traeak>
cubieboard should have been released in march
<debianin>
march :( so long time to go :( ok lets wait
<hno>
debianin, march 2012.
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<debianin>
hope no poor shimpent like raspberrypi did.
<Marex>
did RPI become unpopular now ?
<hno>
but I don't recall cubieboard as being announced for release in march. What I remember is it supposedly being ready for shipping some weeks ago.
<debianin>
there is official mail address i can wtire to to have infos?
<debianin>
write*
<RaYmAn>
Did you check the website? :)
<traeak>
actualy cubieboard supposedly won't go into mass manufacture
<debianin>
i am looking arounf the A10 pdf for te moment :)
<traeak>
i mean last marchto kill the rpi hype
<traeak>
put a fork in pre cortex a8 crap
<debianin>
i was disguster by rpi hype, i hope this board will not do the same
<debianin>
disgusted*
<traeak>
it hasn't been set up that way
<hno>
cubieboard says: August 18, 2012 at 12:56 pm, currently the board is not available to buy now, we are sorry, will be available by the end of this month.
<traeak>
no press release after press release after trade show, etc
<traeak>
it's hard to epic fail like the rpi folks did with hype
<hno>
did they fail?
<traeak>
on their hype machine
<traeak>
otherwise i think they've sold a few
<hno>
Yea there was/is lots of hype about it, but did they fail with their goal?
<hno>
ignoring the hype
<traeak>
i would say absolute yes right now...they totally screwed up the system power
<RaYmAn>
how so?
<debianin>
i surf the website but dont find dimension (WxH) on cibieboard... some help,please?
<traeak>
buy a keyboard and mouse off the shelf
<traeak>
there's very high likelihood the whole system destabilizes
<traeak>
you have to buy only certain brand keyboards/mice
<hno>
debianin, (10cmx6cm) is what have been told.
<RaYmAn>
tbh, I think they can provide what is required?
<RaYmAn>
e.g. 100mA
<traeak>
the usb polyfuses trip way too easily and end up undervolting the board toasting the usb and the ethernet
<traeak>
toasting as in random corruption behavior
<traeak>
100mA is the USB spec but what manufacturers out there follow the usb spec? answer: less than half
<debianin>
10x6... a bit more than i wish but good enough. 10x6 including connectors or only the board itself?
<RaYmAn>
you can't really blame rpi for devices not following usb spec.
<hno>
RaYmAn, sun5i u-boot branch seems to boot for me. But not sure if it's capable of actually booting a kernel yet.
<RaYmAn>
hno: oh, cool. SPL as well?
<hno>
yes
<RaYmAn>
tbh, the sun4i branch was capable of booting a kernel on my a13 tab
<RaYmAn>
:)
<RaYmAn>
over serial that is
<hno>
Have only changed SPL + console port number.
<RaYmAn>
nice
<hno>
loads kernel fine from MMC
<traeak>
if they fix that they're fine
<debianin>
Will they make debian runnable on cubieboard?
<hno>
but have not got the kernel to say anything yet beyond "Starting kernel.."
<RaYmAn>
it's odd
<traeak>
RaYmAn: with current hardware some kid gets an rpi board, brings it home, plugs it in and while hes using it the keyboard goes randomly haywire. considering the rpi goal is computers for kids that might be a problem
<hno>
debianin, it should already be.
<debianin>
so good, hno
<hno>
traeak, using a powered USB hup shold work around that, right?
<hno>
s/hup/hub/
<ibot>
hno meant: traeak, using a powered USB hub shold work around that, right?
<RaYmAn>
traeak: it seems odd..I bought $random cheap keyboard and that worked just fine.
<traeak>
ibot: some usb powered hubs (like the one i have) actually draws current from the host (when it shouldn't)
<traeak>
RaYmAn: you got lucky...
<debianin>
id seems there is enough space for 2 more usb ports on the board.
<Marex>
traeak: what kind of problem do you have with pre-v7 cores ?
<traeak>
Marex: for non embedded applications
<debianin>
mmm zooming the picture i can see hand made soldered wires (ok, it is a prototype) and board seems to be made with low quality material/cdodicing process.
<debianin>
producing process*
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<hno>
debianin, the cubieboard picture available is from an early prototype where most parts is hand soldered and not all components mounted, only what is needed for testing.
<Marex>
traeak: hm ?
<debianin>
hno, good to know, that picture ave me bad impression. thank to you for clarification :)