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<bsdfox>
jelly-home, that device has 1gb ram, 1.2ghz A10, and ICS stock so it's a bit better than the mele
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<Dandel>
I personally wonder about the mk802 mini pc.
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<bsdfox>
lundman, what do you run on your A2000 right now? (just realized I was reading your website :)
<lundman>
its running ICS4.0
<lundman>
not that its turned on, or plugged in
<lundman>
sound didnt work at all, so not being used
<bsdfox>
ahh bummer
<bsdfox>
any of the linux builds work decent? I was hoping to set it up as a silent pc in my bedroom just for light internet use and some embedded development
<lundman>
oh yeah, they ran fine
<lundman>
even ready hf images to just boot and use
<boulet>
the specs of that dual-core chip looks quite good
<rm>
or perhaps it was x210
<boulet>
x210 yeah
<phh>
boulet: ARM compares cortex-a5 to Arm11 ...
<phh>
and it's only +20% faster ~
<boulet>
actually i thought cortex-a5 had some good optimization compard to cortex-a8
<boulet>
even if it is lower cost
<boulet>
isn't that beloved raspberry pi an arm11 ? hehe ... well i don't like that thing anyways
<rm>
ARM is confusing
<rm>
there are A5 and A8
<rm>
but then there's also ARMv6 and ARMv7
<rm>
and there's ARM11, which is slower than the above
<rm>
a complete clusterfsck
<rm>
even x86 is better :)
<Gumboot>
A5 and A8 aren't really a thing. They're "Cortex A5" and "Cortex A8".
<boulet>
some people still confused ARM9 with Cortex A9 haha
<rm>
how silly of them! :)
<boulet>
isn't it ;)
<boulet>
anyways, the Cortex A5 can go multicore like the A9, and is supposed to be ultra-cheap
<Gumboot>
There are similar risks in confusing Cortex A9 with Allwinner A10.
<Gumboot>
Or Cortex A5 and Apple A4.
<boulet>
and A13 is better than A10 since it's higher number ? ;)
<Gumboot>
Several of my classmates in high school had A500s.
<boulet>
but before them some already had A2000s
<orly_owl>
maybe my media pc will just be the NAS
<phh>
boulet: it's cortex-A7 that is better than A8
<phh>
cortex-a5 seem to really suck
<boulet>
a5 should be good too !
<phh>
boulet: go on arm's website ... they state it's less than +20% faster than an ARM11
<boulet>
this is difficult to compare
<boulet>
then how an ARM11 compares to a COrtex A8 when clocked at same speeds
<boulet>
and Cortex A5 also has NEON, which can speeds things up dramatically compared to ARM11 for media apps
<boulet>
so i think it's not that simple
<boulet>
if you do DSP applications, Cortex A5 will destroy ARM11
<boulet>
for general purpose apps, maybe the difference is not that huge yeah
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<Gumboot>
Of course, if you're in an environment where things are built ARMv6 regardless of what processor _you_ own, A5 loses some of that advantage.
<Gumboot>
I think ARM11 might be stronger clock-for-clock except that things like caches and other basic geometry considerations hold it back.
<Gumboot>
A7 looks like it'll be stupidly powerful at DSP, considering it's meant to be the low-power alternative. It might do well in many-clustered compute tasks.
<boulet>
if it is indeed a little bit better than ARM11, and at the price of an ARM9, i think it's quite interesting since it will go multi-core
<Gumboot>
5 or 7?
<boulet>
Gumboot, that and also the next MALI generation that can do general purpose DSP, that's gonna be insane
<Gumboot>
Typically for branch-mispredicty tasks (entropy coding) you can expect the balance to tip towards older silicon, but that's not what's usually benchmarked.
<phh>
ah, A5 has longer pipeline ?
<thefrog>
I confused A9 and ARM9 for a while.
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<traeak>
wierd, gmane.org hasn't been working for me for days. anyone else see this or have a beter alternative?
<RaYmAn>
not working == what? It responds just fine here but I haven't checked that all posts etc are presetn
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<furan>
is there an alsa driver for a10 codec?
<furan>
looks like it's already alsa
<RaYmAn>
yeah, at least they didn't make their own interface for that :P
<furan>
hehe
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<rm>
I need to get an RCA to 3.5" converter
<rm>
erm
<rm>
3.5mm
<rm>
did not try audio on the Mele yet
<TomNL>
gimli: did you get any eta from allwinner? or did they just apologized and said libs weren't ready yet?
<popolon>
don't know if there will have allwinner has in new arnovatech
<specing>
arnova == archos
<popolon>
but the specs are not the same :)
<popolon>
arnova is cheaper
<specing>
indeed
<popolon>
keyboard + screen = 8mm, not too bad :)
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<Dandel>
gimli: on the allwinner a10 xbmc port that j1nx (and a few other devs ) are doing, they need a lot of stuff similar to what i need for my projects... namely the lowest level possible for all features working ( this means no android layer, and if you need a comparative environment.... look at buildroot or equivalent )
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<Tsvetan>
i
<Tsvetan>
hi
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<thefrog>
yeah.. putting serialization and other markings on products
<steev>
ah
<thefrog>
only there to fight for a bar code and human readable MAC address on the label. meeting painful due to marketing
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<arokux_h>
hno, can't uart0 be used for the loading of the kernel by u-boot?
<WarheadsSE>
I guess that mildly depends on kermit support/serial load ?
<furan>
it is supported
<furan>
I have seen them talking about it before
<WarheadsSE>
I've never done it kernel over serial, after uboot running from sd etc
<arokux_h>
I just hate it to eject an sd card, copy the kernel and stick the card back in...
<xxiao>
you could use loadb etc to load kernel via uart when tftp is dead
<xxiao>
it's just a bit slow
<WarheadsSE>
tftp ?
<WarheadsSE>
nvm.. late to the party.
<xxiao>
WarheadsSE: in the old days when there is no SD etc and only active channel is uart i had to use it to download kernel when ethernet is not alive
<hno>
arokux_h, yes ofcourse.
* hno
been out working and reading A13 DRAM setup code.
<hno>
RaYmAn, A13 boot0 DRAM setup is now 100% decompiled. It does differ in a number of places.
<RaYmAn>
cool (the decompilation, not that it differs ;))
<WarheadsSE>
"old days" lol
<jelly-home>
xxiao: so what did you use, uudecode? xmodem? :-)
<hno>
Can't test it tonight. Need to crash to bed.
<hno>
RaYmAn, also it seems boot0 do not set up the full speed CPU clock, so guess that's done by boot1. Looks like boot0 only switches CPU to 24MHz direct clocking with no PLL.
<RaYmAn>
24mhz? wtf
<RaYmAn>
lol
<Turl>
friggin' fast ;)
<hno>
RaYmAn, the crystal is 24MHz.
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* Turl
wants fiber to the home like j1nx
<RaYmAn>
sure. Still surprising the cpu runs at 24mhz, heh (but then again, I'm not a hardware guy)
<Turl>
the lowest linux clock is like 30mhz RaYmAn
<RaYmAn>
Turl: pfft. look at Linux@8-bit cpus
<Turl>
RaYmAn: what's the clock on those things?
<Turl>
12-16Mhz?
<RaYmAn>
not sure, but keep in mind it's an 8-bit cpu emulating a 32-bit cpu :P
<Turl>
why emulating? :)
<RaYmAn>
linux doesn't really run on a 8-bit cpu's, lol
<jelly-home>
nothing wrong with a 386sx @ 16MHz
<j1nx>
Turl: Where do you live?
<xxiao>
RaYmAn: are you sure? i think someday did that a few months ago
<Turl>
j1nx: argentina :P
<RaYmAn>
xxiao: that's what I was referring to
<xxiao>
forgot how long it boots up
<WarheadsSE>
They did, yes. for giggles
<RaYmAn>
they were emulating a 32-bit cpu for that project =P
<Turl>
I don't always run linux on weird places
<Turl>
but when I do, it's on an emulated CPU
<Turl>
in JS
<Turl>
in my phone's browser
<j1nx>
Turl, that to far ;)
<Turl>
j1nx: I can get simmetric ftth, it just costs like a gazillon
<Turl>
and I'd need to move to a covered area :P
<j1nx>
my 100 Mbit symmetric cost 47,- euro's (which is getting less and less now a days)
<j1nx>
long live the euro crisis :D
<Turl>
lol
<RaYmAn>
that's pretty cheap, heh
<RaYmAn>
I pay that for 50/50 symmetric,heh
<j1nx>
yes, it even includes 150-isch IPTV channels (which I can hack into)
<Turl>
hackTV? :P
<Turl>
they multicast those?
<j1nx>
jep, official DVB-IP multicast streams
<j1nx>
they put them on a seperate VLAN with only the MAC's of the STB's as line of defence :D
<Turl>
heh
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<j1nx>
And because my line is symmetric I can watch it any where in the world ;)
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<Turl>
haha
* Turl
watches ISDB-Tb tv with an omni antennae
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* rz2k
reads the review of Orange SanDiego the x86 intel atom android smartphone
<Turl>
*smartphone that is hackable as much as a brick
<Turl>
last I checked at least :P
<Turl>
bbl
<rz2k>
lol
<hno>
RaYmAn, if you have time you are welcome to try integrate boot/A13_Olinuxino_NAND/dram.c to test1.
<rz2k>
too bad that intel is dumb idiots and cant help hacking community. I have intel dm2800 motherboard in my server and it has eDP and LVDS outputs. On intel official Q/A I've found that I cant use that untill I get integrator package from Intel, which is only for OEM manufacturers.
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<xxiao>
talking about intel, anything it did that really helped OSS community at large?
<RaYmAn>
hno: I'll try and have a look over the weekend
<xxiao>
don't feel too well on what it did/does to maemo/OE etc
<Turl>
xxiao: well, the intel linux graphics and wifi drivers are good imo
<xxiao>
Turl: right, i should say "other than its own chip"
<Turl>
well they contribute to linux in general I guess
<Turl>
but then the main platform to run linux on is intel's :)
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<ZaEarl>
wifi drivers, ethernet drivers, video drivers. NO ONE releases more hardware drivers than Intel.
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<popolon>
Turl, linux intel graphics driver are just few years late :)
<traeak>
i thought that statement applies to intel graphics in general
<popolon>
still no support of opengl 3.1/3.2 where other are in OpenGL 4+
<popolon>
and lot of bugs
<popolon>
but they helped mesa generally to progress more quickly
<ZaEarl>
I'd much rather have an open source opengl 3 driver than a closed source 4 binary blob.
<Turl>
noveau and whatever the ati one is called are nowhere near intel's
<Turl>
and intel's usually matches the perf of the chips on windows
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* ajmitch
will be happy enough to get a laptop with intel graphics
<Turl>
my desktop-to-be will have intel graphics
<Dandel_>
Turl: on linux the the ati/amd gpus have the hardware features, it's just that the drivers have not been fully implemented yet. (at least for mesa side )
<Dandel_>
ZaEarl: that's actually happening soon enough... mostly it's implementation that's left since the software drivers got opengl 3.0 recently ( no geometry shaders yet)
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<Dandel_>
anyways, I'd support a company that at least is somewhat friendly to open source ( by providing technical documentation ) (both amd, and Intel generally do this) than a company that forces complete reverse engineering of everything.
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<popolon>
ajmitch, you will understand the problems with sandy bridge
<popolon>
lot of crash bug depending of applications
<popolon>
ivy bridge => more recent => more problems
<popolon>
and lot of developers of the 3d application prefere to use state of the art card (nvidia/ati) and use closed driver then
<popolon>
blender crash at start with git version, I need to first launch a game console emulator to have blender working after :D
<popolon>
that's better than with stable version of mesa
<popolon>
where the same version doesn't work at al
<popolon>
l
<popolon>
and there are lot of textures glitchs with stable version on flightgear for example
<ZaEarl>
I recommend upgrading kernel to at least 3.4 for ivy bridge graphics
<popolon>
large textures shift on plane ...
<popolon>
I use kernel 3.5 with sandy bridge
<popolon>
and that's true, that's far less slow than 3.2
<popolon>
I seen that 3.6 should be better too, to be verified
* ajmitch
will be getting an ivy bridge chip, and upgrading to kernel 3.5 at least
<popolon>
well this is still not totally stable, but there are quick and good progress
<popolon>
ajmitch, on a laptop you will cry
<popolon>
as you can't add an additionnal graphic card
<popolon>
think about 1 year before to be really usable
<ajmitch>
you assume that I'd want one
<popolon>
when you will see that doesn't work to good, 3 options => add a nvidia/ati card, wait 6 month to 1 year (I wait for stable things since at least 10 month for sandy bridge)
<popolon>
or switch to another operating system and have lot of hazardous bugs :))
<ajmitch>
I'll at least be able to provide some good feedback for ZaEarl ;)
<popolon>
sure :)
<popolon>
and 0 OpenCL support
<ajmitch>
not worried about opencl on a laptop
<Turl>
I haven't seen any nonscientific use for OpenCL so far
<popolon>
but CPU is 100* slower than GPU on lot of computations, depending what you want to do with your computer
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<popolon>
blender use OpenCL or at least GPU for render
<popolon>
but this doesn't work with sandy bridge
<ajmitch>
that's why I have a desktop as well, or at least once I upgrade it to something vaguely modern
<popolon>
I suppose that it use OpenCL
<popolon>
I look more at arm for mobile things
<popolon>
I would like to see some Mali400/600 vs HD3000/4000 benchs
<popolon>
(intel integrated HDxxxx)
* ajmitch
would like to see some decent free drivers for mali as well, though the lack of documentation hampers that effort a bit
<popolon>
yes :(
<Turl>
if you're going to use blender and those kind of stuff regularly your PC will most likely be high end and with huge GPUs in SLI or such
<popolon>
blender is in port phase to android
<popolon>
the interface itself can be used on light computer (if the driver ar recent and stable)
<popolon>
but rendering need GPU powerhorse
<popolon>
and CPU too
<popolon>
but GPU is generally faster for rendering than CPU
<popolon>
/opt/blender/blender
<popolon>
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