mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
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<furan> speedtest.net measures me at 669 down, 256 up
<furan> (real speed)
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<lundman> did we got new files from allwinner today?
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<CIA-16> rhombus-tech: Brian master * rcc895b37a9a8 /allwinner_a10/orders/Cluster___40__now_cloud__41___in_a_Box.mdwn:
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<hipboi> lundman: there are still bug of the lib
<TomNL> hipboi
<hipboi> hi
<TomNL> hipboi: they are still working on it?
<hipboi> yes
<hipboi> but slowly with complaining
<hipboi> at a lower priority
<TomNL> ah ok :) hehe
<TomNL> at least it's still progressing
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<hipboi> anyone knows barebox?
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<CIA-16> rhombus-tech: Jean-Yves master * ra0b901682740 /allwinner_a10/orders/elsavais.html:
<CIA-16> rhombus-tech: Vohme master * r701f15bafca3 /allwinner_a10/orders/benjamin-singapore.mdwn:
<popolon> http://cubietech.com/ <= some spams here :D
<CIA-16> rhombus-tech: Michael master * r2b9972d51156 /allwinner_a10/orders/michael__91____40____123__at__125____93____41__wendelit.se.mdwn:
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<Mazon> lol, impending spam bomb? : http://linux-sunxi.org/Special:RecentChanges
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<hipboi> popolon: D
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<CIA-16> rhombus-tech: Padmakar master * rd575b66e9d04 /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn:
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<zenitraM> Turl: didn't bring my Mele, definetly should have
<zenitraM> now i'm waiting for a workshop by @dcuartielles with Arduino and some sort of new GSM module they're giving out
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<popolon> oh !! mail400 dualcore @ 500MHz has a higher fill rate (3.2 Gp/s) than my discrete Intel HD3000 @ 1500Mhz (in core i7) : 2.7Gp/s
<traeak> one benchie :-p
<rm> mail400 dualcore <- in which SoC?
<popolon> they @400Mhz not 500
<traeak> i believe both socs are pretty well locked down though
<popolon> do you know a linux bench to test the fill rate ?
<popolon> because that was the only one ref
<popolon> I had for intel
<traeak> no idea
<popolon> bu strangly their MT/s is megatexture and no megatriangle
<popolon> and faster fill rate than megapixel test :D
<popolon> glmark2 only test fps depending on technics
<popolon> there is glmark2-es2 that does the same things but with es2
<popolon> could be interesting for make bench between arm/x86 world
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<rm> > But that’s what we’ve done – so from today, you’ll be able to purchase an MPEG-2 decode licence which will be tied to your Raspberry Pi’s unique serial number.
<rm> I'd cancel my R Pi order
<rm> if I had placed one
<rm> this is so disgusting and they tout it as such a wonderful thing
<rm> not to mention it turns out every device has an unique serial number
<rm> and no one is objecting, so I suppose people came to expect less privacy since the days of Intel Pentium 3
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<popolon> rm : concerning mpeg-2 is this related to hardware driver or due to the legal limit on having the software decoder in countries that uses software patents like usa/japan ?
<hno> popolon, at least the latter.
<rm> you have to buy a key-code that is entered/stored somewhere on the device
<rm> and then checked by the proprietary hardware driver against the device's serial number
<rm> and if that check fails, the driver refuses to function
<Turl> wha?
<Turl> you need to pay extra to have pi decoding video? :|
<popolon> only mpeg2 and VC-1
<popolon> VC-1 should be rare and who use dvd and mpeg2 today ?
<bsdfox> why not just install libmpeg2 or similar?
<popolon> I suppose you can still transcode it
<Turl> still, why do they charge for it?
<popolon> or use software decoder ?
<Turl> bsdfox: doesn't do hw decoder?
<Turl> bsdfox: you *don't* want to use sw decoding on an ARM9
<popolon> neon doesn't help ?
<Turl> popolon: many people use DVDs
<bsdfox> ahh.. makes sense
<Turl> popolon: there's no NEON on ARM9 as far as I'm aware
<popolon> ok, sorry :)
<Turl> think G1, ADP1
<Turl> that's basically a raspberry pi :)
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* zenitraM is sitting where a raspie workshop will be taking place in a few minutes
<zenitraM> don't know if they will give them out after the workshop. anyway if i can buy one without shipping i might
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* hno rather buys some more ARMv7 devices to play with.
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* zenitraM just won a free Raspberry Pi \o/
<furan> :D
<Mazon> at that price ...
<Mazon> if you gotta win something, let it be more than 25$ :p
<zenitraM> well it was the only prize :P
<Mazon> better than nothing I guess :)
* Mazon looks at his Rasberry pi
<zenitraM> tomorrow i'll also know if i've won an arduino + gsm shield
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<lerc> Anyone got to doing any gpu benchmarks on the R-Pi? I'm interested to see how it really compares to mali.
<Dandel_> lerc: got the benchark?
<lerc> Not on hand. but I assume they exist :-)
<popolon> which gpu is there on rPi => ok videocore IV
<lerc> It gets talked up a lot, but I han't seen any decent tests of it. If it is good as touted it may make up for the Arm11
<Turl> zenitraM: pi+arduino+GSM? sounds like a deal :P
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<zenitraM> we played with them this morning, and being able to http GET with a few lines of code is pretty cool
<zenitraM> they will sell them with SIMs with not so expensive international roaming which is pretty cool
<Dandel_> lerc: speed wise, the cpu is definitely slow... a basic graph test shows that it's easily 3 to 10 times slower than a desktop.
<Turl> free data sims for life too? :)
<penguin42> Turl: Yeh like that deal will last long!
<lerc> Yeah, but I remember what the Archimedes could do without a GPU.
<penguin42> lerc: Not through a full modern GUI stack
<penguin42> lerc: (i.e. bloated and slow...)
<Gumboot> Dandel_: It appears to be open to an awful lot of overclocking.
<lerc> it's a gumboot!
<Gumboot> Although I couldn't say for sure that that's the same geometry as used in the pi.
<zenitraM> Turl: I hope so :P
<Gumboot> No it's not.
<Dandel_> Gumboot: if you have good opengl es demos, I'll gladly try em
<Gumboot> OK, I'm not wearing a neck tie, so I guess it is.
<lerc> Where do you live now Gumboot?
<Gumboot> Cambridge.
<Gumboot> Here's _almost_ a reference: http://www.mobilistaan.com/nokia-808-pureview-review.html
<Gumboot> OK, if I kept searching I'd probably find someone writing down all on the same page that there's an 1176 in the 808, and that it's running at 1.3GHz.
<Gumboot> There's some debate over whether or not that's the same ARM1176 as is present in the BCM2763, which I might find mentioned on the same page as well if I search hard enough.
<Gumboot> If it could do 1.3GHz then it probably wouldn't suck.
<Gumboot> Except on the power rails.
<Gumboot> apologies. That was uncalledfor.
<Gumboot> lerc: Cambridge UK, that is. I missed the boat for the valley this year. Will take another shot next year.
<popolon> BCM2835 not 2735
<popolon> but still videocore IV inisde
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<Gumboot> Oh. Oh well.
<Gumboot> Broadcom might tabulate the differences on their site. I wouldn't want to be caught discussing things at that level, myself.
<lerc> I'm still in Christchurch, such that it is these days.
<lundman> its identical to before :)
<popolon> OpenGL-ES® 1.1/2.0 VideoCore GPU. 1 Gigapixel per second fill rate.
<popolon> not too bad
<popolon> far less (1/3.2) than a mali 400
<popolon> probably the level of some ATOM GPU
<Dandel_> popolon: it's about on the same as the mali400 using 1 pixel processor.
<popolon> ???
<popolon> don't understand
<lerc> ok That's a lot less than I thought it would be givent the way people talk about it.
<popolon> on low end SoC, with Mali 400MP, the fill rate is about 3,2 Gpixel/s
<popolon> but the intel HD3000 included in my core i7 is less than the mali 400MP in low end ARM SoC
<popolon> alread able to trace lot of 3d stuff
<ZaEarl> popolon, isn't that the rate for a 4-core mali? Most mali soc's aren't 4-core.
<Turl> at what resolution?
<popolon> for a 2 core Mali on armlogic
<popolon> Amlogic (not armlogic)
<popolon> and that's only about pixel fill rate
<popolon> should look at global capacities
<popolon> should be about the same with allwinner A10
<popolon> blender should run fluently on a raspberry Pi or a allwinner A10 :)
<popolon> at list for simple to medium models
<lerc> I thought the A10 was a single core Mali400
<popolon> don't know at all
<Turl> it is afaik
<popolon> MP doesn't mean multicore ?
<ZaEarl> http://tomkanok.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/amlogic-aml8726-mx-architecture/ seems to correct those figures quite a bit
<popolon> multiprocessor
<ZaEarl> 800 MPixel/s.
<ZaEarl> a10 is single-core mali
<popolon> where do you see 800 mp/s ?
<popolon> oops
<popolon> I clicked on picture to fast
<ZaEarl> the mali design is designed for 4-core, that's why it's called mp, even when it isn't implemented that way
<Turl> if 4core@200Mhz is 3.2GP, shouldn't 2 core @400Mhz be 3.2GP too?
<popolon> okok
<popolon> héhé not wrong
<popolon> perhaps little less, perhaps little more
<ZaEarl> I'd love to see some real-world tests
<popolon> allwinner Mali 400MP is at 300MHz