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<hipboi_> hno: ping
<lundman> woo new day, any news today?
<hipboi_> no news...
<hipboi_> is the best news
<hipboi_> someone asked me why i don't send patches to u-boot ml
<lundman> for the record, it took me 12 weeks to get ZFS support accepted by u-boot
<lundman> quite a tricky procedure, but they do have scripts that check for "too many spaces" etc, before you send patch
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<hipboi_> i think it's ok for "too many spaces"
<hipboi_> it's a bad habbits of leaving tails and spcaces
<lundman> heh yeah, luckily emacs has auto modes that remove those
<lundman> (add-hook 'before-save-hook 'delete-trailing-whitespace)
<lundman> :)
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<drynish> I tried to do some HW acceleration on my Mele, and guess what, it's not working... my tv stay all black
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<projectgus> drynish: what OS/driver combo are you on, out of curiousity?
<drynish> debian and using allwinner kernel
<projectgus> using the steps on the wiki for the Mali X11 driver?
<drynish> Yep
<drynish> I dunno why even in non accelerated mode, my tv stays black
<drynish> all drivers are loaded
<projectgus> (I'm unable to help you I'm afraid, I'm just trying to understand for my own sake. Got given an MK802 yesterday but I haven't picked it up yet.)
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<drynish> good luck body :P
<drynish> I want xbmc native on that beast :P
<projectgus> do the allwinner drivers support EDID? I have a similar Samsung-based device where you have to get the output resolution right before the TV picks anything up
<drynish> but xbmc on android could be a good alternative as loong as it's hardware accelerated
<projectgus> or is it getting a signal, just an all-black signal?
<drynish> don't think it's the issue ;)
<drynish> Right now I'm running plain Linux on it
<drynish> so it could be anything ;)
<projectgus> the Samsung-based device I have was also made (by me) to run plain Linux :)
<drynish> If I remove the SD card on it, android would boot ! :)
<drynish> hummm maybe that's the issue, but my TV is adapting to 720p
<drynish> usually it's more on the 1080p
<projectgus> yeah if it's getting a signal but showing it as all-black then it's not the issue
<projectgus> i wouldn't think, anyhow
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<drynish> I'm tired playing with it
<drynish> I should have bought a pivos
<lundman> i might, if they start selling overseas
<drynish> I bought a mele
<drynish> but I don't have cash anymore :P
<drynish> Need to work !: )
<drynish> I will surely soon buy my new system
<furan> man it's great when an a10 device mfg is so dependent on you helping them out that they volunteer info on their hardware and you get it for free
<furan> I just asked them which pads are used for uart and they freely volunteered it
<furan> feels different, maaaan
<boulet> ask them for their PCB layout, that might be a different story :o)
<furan> haha
<furan> well sure, that's the secret ingredient to cloning their product
<furan> no factory would give that freely
<furan> :D
<drynish> Tell me that A2000 will soon be 100% compatible to Linux
<furan> does it have to be true?
<orly_owl> heh
<drynish> No I don,t care ;)
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<hipboi_> drynish: A2000 will be 100% compatible to linux
<hipboi_> it's a matter of time
* ccssnet googles
<Turl> will this cable support 2160P on A10 devices?
<Turl> hipboi_: ^
<hipboi_> $934.99?
<ccssnet> O.o
<ccssnet> -
<Turl> hipboi_: :P
<hipboi_> i remember when hno said he has 6 kids
<hipboi_> some one said "are you nuts"
<ccssnet> i would say the same
<hipboi_> i often can't help laughing when i think of this
<Turl> of course I was joking :)
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<Turl> read the reviews if you want a laugh
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<xxiao> mouser is putting olimex olinuxino on top of its newsletter today, a RPi alternative
<popolon> i.MX233 ARM926J @454Mhz
<popolon> 64 MB RAM :(
<popolon> no SSD
<popolon> i want to say no SATA, sorry
<popolon> this one is more expansive (130$)
<popolon> no sata, but still Mal400 and 1GB RAM
<Mazon> wait for the olinuxino A10
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<popolon> <= wait for cubieboard else
<Mazon> or that
<popolon> Odroid PC is the same SoC/ram than Odroid-X but with a sata connector
<popolon> only 2 usb, not 6 like the odroid x
<popolon> (sorry)
<popolon> this video is in korean but few subs
<popolon> ouch : 350$ :D
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<popolon> About less than 65$ mother board with A10 and SATA
<popolon> 650RMB
<rm> 650 Chinese yuan = 102.3009 US dollars
<popolon> 81€
<popolon> ok
<popolon> don't know exactly the $ value as I never (but HK $) used it, sorry
<popolon> 0.8€
<popolon> and by 100 pieces so, more expansive that several other models
<Dandel_> yea, and most end users don't exactly care about having all outputs... 99% of the time all they really want is working sound (hdmi and headphones), video ( hdmi mainly), sdcard, and usb host capability.
<popolon> but I think several people here want SATA for not too slow boot /load time
<Dandel_> and as for nice, but not required, you can say that the usb OTG ( useful for devs, but not required), wifi and ethernet fall under that.
<Dandel_> popolon: that's where a class 10 sdcard fits in
<Dandel_> or small, but usable built-in flash
<popolon> sdcard is still too slow
<popolon> class 30 still don't reach basic SATA HDD perfs
<popolon> that are themselve far from SSD
<Dandel_> yea, and most of the time users *DO NOT* need ssd speeds.
<popolon> this motherboard is for advertisement hardware
<popolon> but hdd
<popolon> speed
<popolon> and storage space
<Dandel_> storage, yes, but speed no
<popolon> most user laugh when they see the starting time of system on sdcard
<popolon> how many minutes ?
<popolon> when you boot on 10 or 15 s on hdd
<popolon> and the same for applications
<Dandel_> strange... i've seen my bootup clock in at around 20 seconds to usable terminal ( on slow hardware using sdcard)
<Dandel_> the a10 chip is a luxary car when compared to the hardware i am talkin about.
<Dandel_> if anything, I'd say the bootable image needs optimization
<popolon> but medium user don't use text terminal ;)
<Dandel_> i login and start x... takes about 5 seconds.
<popolon> ok, not too bad
<Dandel_> the kicker.... it's a class 4 sdcard
<Gumboot_> WarheadsSE: Learn anything about the n6x?
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<WarheadsSE> Gumboot: been busy, sorry. havent booted it yet.
<WarheadsSE> What can I say, paid projects come first :)
<Gumboot> Your priorities are all wrong. Toys first!
<WarheadsSE> heh. It was a paid project for repurposing the ZyXEL NSA-320
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<WarheadsSE> I'd say thats a toy.
<WarheadsSE> PLus, they paid for the device & the SSD that is in it.
<WarheadsSE> ^ had priority
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<pucko> have Allwinner published their patches for the kernel?
<pucko> I know, but is that the official one from allwinner?
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<RaYmAn> pucko: does it matter? :P
<RaYmAn> the main branch on there is uhm..based on the "released" sources. It has some changes though.
<RaYmAn> iirc there is a lichee branch thats the unmodified allwinner source
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<pucko> RaYmAn: mostly curiosity. I recon when you write "released", it's not given out with allwinners approval?
<RaYmAn> it wasn't originally - I think they blessed the current variant though
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<traeak> hmm nice, just bootted up the my ancient laptop and verified my pegasus 10/100 usb device actually does work....just a non working kernel driver
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<traeak> i wonder if gmane knows its broken
<traeak> what else can be used to browse usenet?
<RaYmAn> a usenet client? :P
<traeak> yuk
<traeak> now i have to go dig one out
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<traeak> and worse find a usenet server that has the group i'm interested in
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<hno> I don't know if I am nuts..
<RaYmAn> you probably are :)
<RaYmAn> but why in particular? :P
<hno> <hipboi_> i remember when hno said he has 6 kids
<hno> <hipboi_> some one said "are you nuts"
<RaYmAn> ah
<RaYmAn> lol
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<specing> That was probably me
<specing> hno: you are nuts.
<jelly-home> s/are/have/
<jelly-home> working condition
<specing> yup, and a bolt
<hno> Maybe I am. Our oldest turned 8 this summer.
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<furan> hno a house full of teenagers sounds scary
<traeak> 6 kids? youch
<traeak> i guess they keep each other occupied
* zenitraM waves from Campus Party Europe @ Berlin
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<Turl> zenitraM: enjoy your uberfast interwebz :)
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<ajmitch> Turl: luxury!
<zenitraM> Turl: that's still faster that what I have at home
<Turl> that's not my real speed
<Turl> that's my ISP's 'boost' thingy
<Turl> goes down to 6Mb/s after the burst
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<zenitraM> just noticed the guy behind me
<zenitraM> has a raspberry pi integrated on his monitor
<Turl> heh
<Turl> zenitraM: show your a10 device off :P
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