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<lundman> Mele can't do IPTV can it
<Mazon> huh? - isn't that just an mpeg stream via udp ?
<Mazon> afaik, its just a software issue
<lundman> well, needs to get ipv6, then join the multicast group, and get the EPG guide, then finally, play the mpeg/h264 streams
<lundman> some of the A10 boxes do put IPTV on the box, but I dont think mele did from memory
<Mazon> all of these are software issues ?
<Mazon> needs ipv6 enabled kernel and network stack
<Mazon> IGMP support
<Mazon> not sure about EPG protocol
<Mazon> and then actual stream
<lundman> so. Is the Mele advertised as IPTV ready, and has software on it, or not :)
<Mazon> well, I was thinking that if you installed xbmc, it might ?
<lundman> i do have xbmc on windows, but not tried tvheadenv yet
<lundman> also, why do I always type env
<rm> lundman, most IPTV currently does not use IPv6
<lundman> alas, mine does
<rm> okay
<lundman> ah yep
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<popolon> intel have plan for SoC's too
<lundman> weird, I got intel dev.. then they dropped their tv soc
<lundman> and now they seem to be back
<popolon> probably after the success of arm & mips SoC
<popolon> and the too huge amount of energy needed for what they call [("apu")]
<lundman> late 2013, sounds like they will miss the party
<popolon> they do that in GPU world too, few years ago
<popolon> done
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<markvandenborre> can I install debian to the internal nand of the mele a2000?
<markvandenborre> I'm googling and coombing through the wiki, but it's not entirely clear to me...
<markvandenborre> I guess I could put debian onto the nand and point uboot at it some way...
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<RaYmAn> markvandenborre: it's definitely possible. The easiest way is probably to create a suitable debian boot.img (ANDROID format), flash it to nandc (I think) and have it boot from whatever nand partition you dump the rootfs on.
<markvandenborre> ok, that sounds like a fun adventure
<markvandenborre> I'm willing to go through that
<markvandenborre> and document everything as extensively as possible
<lundman> yeah boot SD card, mount your nand, and write an image to it, with uboot etc
<markvandenborre> lundman: you have done that before?
<markvandenborre> I have a mele a2000 sitting here, with a serial console
<markvandenborre> and I was just hesitating to order a few of these devices until I am reasonably sure that works
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<markvandenborre> so thank you both!
<lundman> i never took that step
<lundman> but I did replace the android kernel by doing that
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<lundman> and if you stuff up nand, you can boot the regular SD to restore nand again, so I dont think you can brick it
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<markvandenborre> lundman: you mean just dd whatever is on the nand before fiddling with it, right?
<lundman> I did yes, for easy recovery. But the official firmware is "SD boot" which programs the nand
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<markvandenborre> problem is I want to exclusively use the SD card for something else
<lundman> sure, its only for the one boot when you write the OS to nand
<mnemoc> hopefully soon we will be able to do that using fel too...
<RaYmAn> we know it works in theory at least:P
<RaYmAn> (well - in practice too - one one device at least :P)
<mnemoc> :)
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<markvandenborre> mnemoc: you seem to know a bit more about this?
<mnemoc> i know nothing
<markvandenborre> oh, you're Manuel from Barcelona :p
<mnemoc> nope
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<The-Compiler> heya
<The-Compiler> just got my Mele, but forgot the chinese to european power supply adapter :(
<mnemoc> any USA/EU adapter will work too
<mnemoc> the power supply is 100-240V
<The-Compiler> would have been 0.89$ in the same shop... now heading to a local shop and probably I will pay like $30 for some universal power supply >_<
<The-Compiler> yeah I know, but it is flat, not round
<mnemoc> order a dozen 0.89$ adapters so you don't have this problem next time :p
<Mazon> doesn't these chinese power supplies suck anyway? - lots of noise etc etc
<mnemoc> I don't know about the performance, but the power supply of my mele doesn't buzz
<mnemoc> my 2A/4xUSB does :<
<The-Compiler> if someone knows where I can get http://dx.com/p/flat-to-round-power-plug-convertor-3529?item=1 without waiting a month or two, let me know
<libv> The-Compiler: just get a universal power supply
<mnemoc> some of those shops have uk warehouses for certain products
<The-Compiler> yep, it is not in the eu warehouse, checked that
<The-Compiler> also they shipped my Mele via TNT... would have expected China EMS :D
<libv> The-Compiler: i am using a universal power supply for my mele and for my C71, 5V 2A and the right connector and pin ordering works just fine
<libv> plus, it is lighter, takes up less space, and doesn't have the bad contact that the chinese power supply for the C71 had
<libv> oh, and the lead is longer
<libv> this adapter you are showing, look at the tips, this is just copper plate bent into pins
<libv> they are completely hollow
<The-Compiler> well, assuming the connection diagram and voltage on the mele are correct, that's what I will do
<libv> they are
<The-Compiler> I did own chinese products where this was marked incorrect
<The-Compiler> good :)
<The-Compiler> anyways, bus arrived in the city, so see you later and thanks :)
<The-Compiler> blergh, first shop only has a $40 bulky travel adapter
<The-Compiler> second has power supplies, but only up to 1A
<The-Compiler> on my way to the other two I know...
<mnemoc> yesterday I received 2 12V chinese power supplies and they are labeled "DA/DC adapter"... but they seem to work correctly :p
<The-Compiler> haha, digital/analog to direct current? :p
<The-Compiler> I bet I will end up soldering something dangerous
<libv> The-Compiler: i am using a powersupply which is rated 12V-1A
<libv> seems just happy at 5V on both C71 and mele, even though the C71's original is rated 5V-3A
<mnemoc> libv: not using the SATA I suppose
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<libv> true
<The-Compiler> got an adapter in the last shop for us-ch
<The-Compiler> does not fit 100% because the "profile" is round, not square
<The-Compiler> but I'll just clip that off
<The-Compiler> I plan to use USB and SATA so I guess I need the 2A
<libv> The-Compiler: reichelt has 5V 2A universal power supplies
<The-Compiler> hmm, that would've been an option
<The-Compiler> let's see how well it works with the adapter
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<The-Compiler> and well I'm off today so I kinda wanted something which allows me to start playing immediately
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<The-Compiler> I hate it when you get a shiny new gadget and can't start messing with it because of some meta-problems... well, my fault this time :P
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<popolon> The-Compiler,
<popolon> in china the voltage / frenquency is the same than in europe
<popolon> 220V/50Hz
<popolon> you only need a little plastic adaptor
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: keep a safe stock of uSD/SD cards, power adapters, wire jumpers, ttl/usb adapters, etc etc...
<mnemoc> popolon: in some countries they don't sell them because they are considered "unsafe"
<The-Compiler> popolon, sure, I know
<popolon> mnemoc, in which country ?
<popolon> only the shape is not the same
<popolon> at least in france the two pines are rounds in china flat
<The-Compiler> popolon, but getting that without paying $40 for an everything to everything adapter was difficult
<mnemoc> but cheap ones are usually loosy
<popolon> and you can generally use french powersupply in china, as their wallmount accept several formats
<mnemoc> so you have to order them from the wild east and wait a month to receive them
<popolon> cost about 1€
<popolon> depending on your plug
<The-Compiler> I got something now which will fit when I file a bit of plastic off
<The-Compiler> the problem is I don't want to wait another month :D
<The-Compiler> I linked that before
<popolon> i didn't see you push this link, I use this kind of adapter
<The-Compiler> I just forgot to order that with the mele
<popolon> I just see your link copy/past, and see that the same price that mine
<mnemoc> we all do... buy at least on my city (in .es) you can't buy them locally
<popolon> perhaps I bought it in china ?
<mnemoc> s/buy/but/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: we all do... but at least on my city (in .es) you can't buy them locally
<mnemoc> only large and fancy 20E+ ones
<popolon> you can 5€ adapter in uk, in little electric shops (in uk, plugs are not the same than in france)
<popolon> that was the first I found in a residential area of london
<popolon> I suppose by searching little diy shops you should found that
<popolon> that was with ground pin
<mnemoc> who needs ground? :p
<popolon> :)
<popolon> my flat doesn't have :/
<popolon> and there is lot of wood on my building
<popolon> The-Compiler, <1€ with free shipping, you can buy it online
<The-Compiler> ..
<mnemoc> 13:41:59 < The-Compiler> the problem is I don't want to wait another month :D
<The-Compiler> okay, ignore what I say
<popolon> that's less expansive to day, to buy thing at 8000Km distance than in your street for so little things
<popolon> sorry :)
<The-Compiler> I ordered the mele from DX in the first place
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: shame on you
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: you should buy them from tom
<The-Compiler> why?
<The-Compiler> well, afk for a bit
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: to help a humble chinese hacker and friend of the community
<popolon> mnemoc, url ?
<mnemoc> Mele A3600....
<rm> The main difference of A3600 to A2000/A1000:
<rm> 1. The case 2. A3600 come with F1 air mouse.
<rm> forgot to mention the antenna
<popolon> still only 512MB ram :(
* mnemoc really eager to see the final design for the cubieboard and a10-olinuxino
<Mazon> aye, still 512 MB ram and single core :(
<mnemoc> there are many use cases where A10/1GB is a great choice... but 512MB is sad :<
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<mnemoc> the hidden magic ubuntu does with chroot and qemu-arm-static is sort of scary
<RaYmAn> it's not really ubuntu - it's just binfmt :P
<mnemoc> binfmt searchs for the emulator?
<mnemoc> even more scary
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<RaYmAn> no, binfmt is setup to know what to use for specific ID's
<mnemoc> :)
<RaYmAn> it works with mono too if setup right
<RaYmAn> so you can just ./some.exe and it runs mono some.exe
<mnemoc> :o
<RaYmAn> ubuntu does kind of hide some of it for sure
<RaYmAn> but it's a kernel feature really
<mnemoc> it's very useful :)
<Turl> :o new mele
<mnemoc> sata seems internal this time
<The-Compiler> back
<Turl> it's interesting how mele keeps iterating over the same board and hw
<The-Compiler> regarding ordering from somewhere else: I like the idea of supporting small individuals, but I've been a DX customer for years (I guess I ordered a total of over $2000 from them) but there I know I won't have any problems when it's dead on arrival
<The-Compiler> and they are cheap and reasonably fast (took 12 days from ordering until it arrived)
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: it this case Tom is not a random small individual, it's the author of the u-boot port, maintainer of the mali libraries for linux, responsible of GPLing the previously "all rights reserved" kernel code released by Qware and a fellow of this irc channel ;-)
<mnemoc> but sure, it's up to you to choose from who you buy
<The-Compiler> hat off to him then, but I still didn't know about him before :P
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> .oO(where is my hdmi cable??!)o
<The-Compiler> regarding the adapter, some brute force did it: http://the-compiler.org/tmp/adapter.jpg
<popolon> The-Compiler, do you have an eeepc or a japanese camera charger ?
<The-Compiler> nope
<popolon> ok, because they contains both the detachable asia=>europe adapter
<popolon> at least nikon DSLR and asus eeepc
<The-Compiler> well, I have a working adapter now, so what :)
<popolon> oh, ok
<popolon> but can be usefull else in case of (just remember this)
<The-Compiler> hmm, the mele _should_ be able to boot from SDHC cards, right?
<lundman> yeah
<The-Compiler> trying to get archlinuxarm on it, now I don't get any output when plugging it in (nothing on VGA/HDMI/Composite)
<lundman> although every 2nd power off/on for me
<The-Compiler> do I need any special bootargs in the uEnv.txt to have output?
<The-Compiler> now the TTL to USB adapter which didn't arrive yet would be handy...
<The-Compiler> hmmm if I get it right a framebuffer-driver is missing anyways... so let's hope it answers to ARP requests so I can get the IP and ssh into it
<The-Compiler> damn, no luck... anyone else running (Arch)Linux on their Mele?
<mnemoc> the maintainer of arch for a10 is here, but I forgot his nick :<
<RaYmAn> WarheadsSE?
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: yes, thank you :)
<mnemoc> vacations side-effect :p
<RaYmAn> brain malfunction? :P
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: since yesterday we have fbcon for sun4i
<The-Compiler> mnemoc: haha. I have no idea how I'd install that though. Is it just a module or so?
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: you need to build your own kernel
<The-Compiler> well, I didn't cross-compile much yet, but I might give it a try.
<The-Compiler> on the other hand I don't have an idea if the kernel even boots...
<The-Compiler> interestingly enough it seems to have eth link
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<CIA-16> rhombus-tech: PEPE master * r46c5d682c177 /allwinner_a10/orders/CLBBEMP55G.mdwn: after seeing more specs, it isn't what I want
<Turl> mnemoc: :O fbcon? :D
<mnemoc> Turl: feedback welcomed ;-)
<mnemoc> I'll make a tag after people confirm it works fine and then jump to the next 3.0.x and add your updated mali
<Turl> :)
<Turl> I don't have any use for fbcon tbh, but it's gonna come in handy for many people :)
<mnemoc> you can still test it and take some pictures for PR purposes :p
<Turl> $ ssh mele uptime
<Turl> 11:21:23 up 14 days, 49 min, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.11, 0.13
<The-Compiler> hmm, I'm pretty certain it does not boot at all
<The-Compiler> and I have no idea why
<Turl> The-Compiler: what compiler are you using?
<Turl> when I build with 4.6, the USB stack blows up and kpanics
* mnemoc uses 4.6.3...
<Turl> mnemoc: do you have OTG?
<mnemoc> that only works on android iirc
<Turl> ... which casually is what I use :P
<RaYmAn> it's kind of odd it only works with android :S
<RaYmAn> but I guess the driver is just hacked up to work exactly with that
<mnemoc> help fixing sunxi's usb gadget on 3.4 is very welcomed
<RaYmAn> :P
<The-Compiler> Turl: I used the prebuilt image from archlinuxarm.org
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: they implemented the support directly in android.c
<RaYmAn> erk
<RaYmAn> so when you say OTG you actually mean gadget?
<mnemoc> yes
<Turl> Kconfig also mentions some "sunxi USB manager"
<RaYmAn> does the port itself work? e.g. in host mode or similar?
<mnemoc> host works, yes
<Turl> RaYmAn: my tab has an "OTG" port and a "client" port
<Turl> the OTG one is for all purposes I can see, a host port
<Turl> with an OTG connector
<RaYmAn> that's..funky
<Turl> so my tablet has 2 mini/microUSB (I don't recall >.<)
<RaYmAn> my mk802 has an "OTG" port that works in both host & device (which is kind of required for it to be OTG? ;)) plus a regular USB
<mnemoc> the a10/a13 schematics call the FEL pin "u-boot"...
<Turl> I often plug it to the OTG port then bitch when it doesn't work :)
<RaYmAn> Turl: have you tried with an OTG adapter thing?
<Turl> I have one, came with the tab
<Turl> haven't tried plugging it on the 'client' one though
<RaYmAn> two mini is funky anyways
<Turl> the other is definitely host-ish
<RaYmAn> but just having mini doesn't make it otg :)
<mnemoc> any idea where is hipboi?
<The-Compiler> so... any idea how I could get informations why my Mele doesn't boot without having my TTL to USB adapter yet?
<RaYmAn> I have no idea if it works, but if you can force a reset that doesn't power off ram, you might be able to use ramconsole?
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: you are probably doomed
<The-Compiler> I wonder what I'm doing wrong anyways :D
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: get a ttl/usb :p
<The-Compiler> just phoned a local electronic shop, they don't have it (?!? they even have nixie tubes!)
<The-Compiler> and I already ordered one, but singapore post says "information recieved (this is not an acknowledgment of the physical receipt of the stated Registered Article) since 5 days
<The-Compiler> so either a good friend I meet tomorrow has one, or I need to wait... impatient me :D
<mnemoc> advice: order a couple adapters more :p
<Turl> The-Compiler: ebaylike site near you doesn't have them? :P
<mnemoc> it always good to have the around, and others may arrive faster
<The-Compiler> local electronics retailer has the FTDI cables for $30
<mnemoc> o_O
<The-Compiler> exactly my thought.
<Turl> they're like 25$ here (+shipping)
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<The-Compiler> "ebaylike site near you" was a great hint
<The-Compiler> found one for $10 plus $5 shipping
<The-Compiler> hah, and one on ebay for $7 and free shipping, even in the same country I am
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<mnemoc> that's more reasonable.... more considering you can usually buy them from china for less than $2 including world wide shipping
<Turl> yep
<Turl> but if you're in a hurry 7$ is not that bad :)
<mnemoc> but $20+ is simply absurd
<Turl> yeah :|
<Turl> might need to buy some and resell
<Turl> earn some bucks in the process :P
<RaYmAn> actually not a bad idea
<RaYmAn> lol
<Turl> 10$ ;) best price!11 haha
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<The-Compiler> thought about that with a lot of DX products
<The-Compiler> there is a local shop called Pearl, I was able to find everything in their stock I checked so far on dealextreme, for 1/5 to 1/10 of the price
<Turl> dx is usually waay cheaper than buying locally over here
<RaYmAn> the big issue is that if you buy a big bundle of things, you'll get caught in customs more likely :P
<Turl> RaYmAn: I always buy on <25US bunches :)
<Turl> and get RR free :P
<RaYmAn> heh
<The-Compiler> yeah, free shipping, so just buy in small bunches
<The-Compiler> my Mele was $120 or so with shipping, they declared it as $30 and I didn't have to pay customs :D
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<WarheadsSE> mnemoc: RaYmAn The-Compiler what huh.. on vacation
<WarheadsSE> ..
<WarheadsSE> I'll deal with the kernel updates after I get back next week. fbcon should make some people happy though.
* WarheadsSE poof
<The-Compiler> hehe
<mnemoc> :)
<WarheadsSE> oh, almost forgot: if The-Compiler would like to make any suggestions, github archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs is forkable ;)
* WarheadsSE smokebomb
<mnemoc> *g*
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<The-Compiler> first I need a running archlinuxarm to be honest :P
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: tried a prebuilt image?
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: or actually... tried an official image from mele?
<The-Compiler> huh?
<The-Compiler> I'm using the archlinuxarm image, and the mele-Android works fine
* WarheadsSE has had hands full with paid projects, and this way too fucking rare thing called vacation
<The-Compiler> on two different SD cards, with no luck so far
<mnemoc> try a fel card
<mnemoc> just to see if your SD is working fine
<The-Compiler> fel card?
<The-Compiler> tried a 2GB SanDisk which I used in my Pandaboard before and a 16GB Sandisk
<mnemoc> uhm... no. I guess you don't have a compatible cable to access the usb otg header inside the mele
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: zero the card first
<The-Compiler> I used this mkcard script which came with archlinuxarm
<The-Compiler> which does that I think
<mnemoc> archlinuxarm-specific stuff is out of my scope
<The-Compiler> hmmm, I think I could easily hack some USB cable to access the OTG port
<The-Compiler> what do you have in mind?
<mnemoc> a fel card is one that boots your sunxi device directly into FEL mode
<mnemoc> if it works you'll see the fel id in your `lsusb`
<The-Compiler> hmm, that won't help me much either I guess
<The-Compiler> the FEL mode is that "boot from SD"-mode? I think the card does that already. The script dd's sun4i-spl.bin over it with an 8kb offset
<mnemoc> it will tell you if your card+socket is good
<mnemoc> FEL mode is a low level recovery system in ROM
<mnemoc> there is "boot from SD" bootloaders that just triggers FEL
<mnemoc> bootloader*
<The-Compiler> hmm, not sure if that's worth the hassle
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<mnemoc> The-Compiler: in your case, not really
<The-Compiler> or if I should just wait for the TTL to USB adapter :D
<mnemoc> yes
<The-Compiler> as soon as everything is here I will drill some holes in the case and add MiniUSB-connectors for USB OTG and RS232 anyways
<The-Compiler> and eSATA :)
<The-Compiler> well actually I guess the socket is okay because when the card is inserted the stock android does not boot
<The-Compiler> and I see the FAT32 boot partition in Android
<mnemoc> check if they use rootwait as bootarg
<The-Compiler> yes they do
<mnemoc> get a ttl/usb
<The-Compiler> I'm kinda scared it will be like my first time with the pandaboard
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<mnemoc> there is no much you can do blind
<The-Compiler> just "it does not work" with zero output :P
<The-Compiler> just looking at the fex after doing bin2fex just for fun
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<The-Compiler> which makes me wonder... seems the image is for the mele A100, maybe the fex/script.bin is not compatible?
<mnemoc> all those mele devices are identical
<mnemoc> only the case changes
<mnemoc> the only possible diff could be that a100's SATA may come disabled
<mnemoc> but that shouldn't affect booting
<The-Compiler> mhm, just got another script.bin for the A1000 and the only thing which is different is the VGA resolution (640x480 versus 800x600)
<The-Compiler> but yeah, I guess I'll just shut up until I get the TTL to USB adapter
<The-Compiler> unless someone has a genius idea why it couldn't be booting (but the ethernet lights still stay on)
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* mnemoc wonders why the heck his ubuntu card decided to not start any getty or ssh
<arete74> The-Compiler, try with mele ubuntu image
<The-Compiler> arete74: can't find any instructions anywhere, do I just get the image from http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/mele_ubuntu_image/ and dd it over the card?
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<WarheadsSE> The-Compiler: where is your rootfs? Sata? Might need the updated kernel package on that rootfs tarball. I will be updating it at the turn of the month.
<xxiao> mnemoc: on that cnx link, what rootfs is that, self-made, debian, arch?
<mnemoc> xxiao: linaro's ubuntu
<xxiao> ok, anybody is working on some other alternatives, e.g. yocto or something lighter?
<Turl> WarheadsSE: did you get X running?
<mnemoc> iirc someone started an OE thing for A10.... but I think died
<mnemoc> it would be awesome to have proper sunxi support in OE and friends
<xxiao> mnemoc: i'm considering it, not sure the time and bandwidth for the next few months though
* xxiao just received the 4th usb-ttl converter to try it on the seemingly broken pogoplug-pro
<mnemoc> xxiao: bandwidth for packages you mean? I can create http://packages.linux-sunxi.org/oe/ for you to maintain ;-)
<mnemoc> for hosting the layers (or however they call the customizations and packages) github is probably the best place
<xxiao> bandwidth for time...
<mnemoc> :)
<xxiao> right, github should suffice for a meta-a10
<mnemoc> please don't limit it to a10
<mnemoc> please make it meta-sunxi so we can cover a13 and others
<mnemoc> this is specially important for the a13-olinuxino
<xxiao> ok
<xxiao> make sense
<mnemoc> and it doesn't make sense to have two metas
<xxiao> is there a way to get a olinuxino prototype now
<mnemoc> yes
<xxiao> thanks, wow
<xxiao> trying to find where to buy it in us
<mnemoc> xxiao: not yet
<mnemoc> xxiao: it's a "developer edition"... not mass production
<rm> I don't get what's with the VGA problems
<rm> is this a hardware issue they're talking about
<xxiao> rm: specifically, is it software or hardware problem
<mnemoc> rm: they implemented a simple LCD-to-VGA in hardware
<mnemoc> rm: which doesn't work very well yet
<mnemoc> rm: might be an script.bin-only thing, but it can also be hw
<mnemoc> I also hope they change how vga_disable is implemented
<mnemoc> but Tsvetan is not very fond to change his mind
<xxiao> about $75 USD that is
<The-Compiler> WarheadsSE: nope, the rootfs is on mmcblk0p2
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<mnemoc> also not sure if they fixed the card detection in revB
<The-Compiler> so what would be ideal? USB?
<mnemoc> mmcblk0p2 is the normal rootfs when booting from SD
<The-Compiler> yep, that's where I have the rootfs (and how it's configured in uEnv.txt) but it does not boot
<xxiao> sigh, still could not get serial output from pogoplug-pro, scope showed good wave but none of my usb-ttl converter can make it useful
<xxiao> s/could/would/
<ibot> xxiao meant: sigh, still would not get serial output from pogoplug-pro, scope showed good wave but none of my usb-ttl converter can make it useful
<xxiao> spent too much time on this POS
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<xxiao> it either showed nothing, or gibbersish
<mnemoc> gibbersish usually means wrong serial settings
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<xxiao> not in this case, scope told me it's 115200
<xxiao> though i tried various settings
* xxiao starts to remove the 4-pin holder as it's too small
<mnemoc> 2mm?
<xxiao> about that
<xxiao> anyway i'm done with it
<xxiao> 5 hours on getting this serial port working, time for trash it
<ccssnet> hi all
<xxiao> it also uses pin that is too thin for any jump wires
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<The-Compiler> trying the second Ubuntu image on my mele now and it also doesn't boot... makes me wonder if something is wrong with my Mele
<The-Compiler> (yes I know, I should just wait for my USB to TTL thingy already)
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<rm> I have an MK802 that is not booting from SD
<rm> makes me think there's something fishy going on with the SD reader part
<Turl> maybe it's a telechips mk802 rm? :)
<Turl> there's chinese MK802 fakes now :)
<RaYmAn> it's kind of funny when chinese knock-offs gets knock-offs
<rm> I know
<rm> but no
<RaYmAn> (clearly, mk802 is a knock-off of that norwegian one)
<Turl> RaYmAn: MK802 isn't a knockoff afaik
<rm> I have described the situation on the mailing list
<rm> the u-boot SPL can't access the SD card to load u-boot
<Turl> rm: I heard they're sometimes picky of the SDCards being used
<Turl> try another one if you have a spare
<rm> tried about four different ones
<RaYmAn> Turl: how so? It seemed to suddenly appear in a reasonable time after cotton candy was announced
<rm> the only way to boot it "from SD" was to put a kernel with hardcoded "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" command line into NAND
<rm> the kernel sees the SD cards fine
<Turl> RaYmAn: what's cotton candy? :P
<RaYmAn> Turl: seriously?
<rm> good ideas come to many smart people at the same time
<RaYmAn> I must say I have no doubt mk802 is essentially a knockoff or perhaps "inspired" :P
<Turl> sounds familiar, but haven't heard any buzz around it
<RaYmAn> the buzz was...uhm, CES last year or the year before
<RaYmAn> something like that
<RaYmAn> it went quite big
<RaYmAn> but then sort of died out.
<rm> it's $200
<Turl> they don't have a buy button
<Turl> looks like vaporware to me :)
<RaYmAn> it's not cheap and they've only done pre-order/dev order so far
<Turl> cortex A9@1.2Ghz + Mali
<RaYmAn> iirc it's omap4
<Turl> better than the A10 ones
<Turl> single core omap4?
<RaYmAn> no, dualcore
<Turl> didn't know such thing existed
<Turl> it doesn't mention dual core
<RaYmAn> hm
<Turl> also, OMAP with a Mali?
<Turl> doesn't OMAP have PowerVR?
<RaYmAn> hm
<RaYmAn> this was the buzz article :P
<RaYmAn> you're right, it's not omap
* RaYmAn tries to remember what it was then
<Turl> weird that their product page doesn't boast being dual core then
<RaYmAn> yeh
<Turl> it says "quad core mali" yet nothing on the A9
<RaYmAn> there is some kind of shop here http://store.cstick.com/customer/account/login/
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<RaYmAn> In any case, they were the first ones with this type of mini-computer :)
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<xxiao> i'm happy they did not patent it
<xxiao> apparently apple is smarter, even round edge for a device can be patented in usa
* xxiao is happy apple did not patent 'minipc', or 'usb-stick-alike pc', go to hell apple
<traeak> the software patents are hugely disturbing
<traeak> so when i hack on a new user interface that means i have to hot search the patent database every time i do something to make sure i'm not infringing ?
<specing> software patents are only valid in USA and Japan, AFAIK
<The-Compiler> Okay, no motivation and no ideas left to try getting my Mele to boot from SD anymore before having the TTL to USB adapter. Thanks for all the help guys.
<traeak> hmm?
<The-Compiler> me?
<traeak> it shouldn't be problem as long as your image is installed properly, intializes properly and gives you an ssh connection
<traeak> there is an issue of the mac id
<traeak> but you shodul be able to get the IP addy off your router once dhcp is established
<The-Compiler> even with no MAC address? Or do I have to do anything in that regard?
<traeak> i think your problem will be that the MAC id wn't be stable
<The-Compiler> I tried two Ubuntu images and an Archlinux image over the past 4 hours or so, and with none of them I had an output on the screen, also I didn't see it online in the router's logs (Tomato), device list, or via an ARP scan (nmap -sP)
<traeak> you won't get screen output probably
<traeak> only via X11
<The-Compiler> yeah, but it also isn't in the LAN
<traeak> so no lights on the ether port ?
<The-Compiler> the lights are on
<traeak> i can't remember :-p
<The-Compiler> well depending on the image actually
<Turl> traeak: fbcon support was merged recently :D
<traeak> my mele was shipped with a usb/ttl adapter
<The-Compiler> so I have no idea what else I could do before getting the adapter
<traeak> but i thought i remembered the mac id being sort of random
<traeak> i have an asus rt-16n with tomato on it
<The-Compiler> well that wouldn't matter
<The-Compiler> it just doesn't seem to get an IP at all, and I have no idea how I could see what's going on
<The-Compiler> what's even worse is I'd really be glad if I had it on Friday, and the shops which would get me a cable very fast want like $35/28 EUR for it
<traeak> holy crap
<traeak> the lastone i got was from eay for less than 2US shipped.
<traeak> or less than 4usd, can't remmeber but stupid cheap
<The-Compiler> well these are the FTDI cable which are 16 GBP (20 EUR / $25) at FTDI's shop
<traeak> i hope i'm wrong but i think you need the usb/ttl adapter to pass the macid to uboot. probably worth a new search
<traeak> i mean to set it up so it passes the mac id
<traeak> as i said i could be dead wrong :-p
<The-Compiler> heh I think you can just set it in the script.bin or uEnv.txt or so
<traeak> yes
<traeak> if you do that then you should be able to boot
<The-Compiler> so you mean it does not boot if I don't do that? o.O
<traeak> fbcon would just about kill the need for the usb/ttl adapter
<traeak> hehe i mean boot up so you can get into it :-p
<RaYmAn> traeak: depending on where it fails ;)
<The-Compiler> yeah, but if I don't do anything regarding MAC...
<traeak> your problem is you don't know if your card is even set up properly
<rm> The-Compiler, if you connect mouse with a LED (e.g. a simple optical mouse), can you see it turn-on/ flash after you power on the device?
<traeak> card as in flash
<The-Compiler> If I don't touch the MAC at all, it should just be random but still work, shouldn't it?
<rm> if you connect a keyboard, do you see NumLock/ScrolLock/CapsLock blink/react?
<traeak> how many different flash cards have you tried?
<The-Compiler> traeak: two, and one of them worked in my Pandaboard before
<The-Compiler> rm: not sure and too lazy to try as I'm in bed now :P (but the stock android still boots when I take out the SD card)
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<traeak> The-Compiler: i think rm is round about asking questions to see if your flash card is working/set up properly
<The-Compiler> hmhm... the flashcard itself and the socket work, in stock android I see the FAT32 partition
<rm> I think you just have something like this: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm/4203
<rm> so relax and wait for the USB TTL to arrive
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<The-Compiler> ewww, that would suck though
<traeak> that or you didn't do the right dance for setting up the boot partition and dd'ing the mbr
<traeak> or you just direct dd'd another image which you really shouldn't do
<The-Compiler> I tried two scripts and a direct image
<The-Compiler> everything on two cards
<traeak> if the image is bigger than your card by even a tiny amount you're hosed (i found that out)
<rm> there are pre-made whole-card "dd" images for the Mele
<The-Compiler> but again: do I _have_ to mess with the MAC adress to have a working Ethernet?
<The-Compiler> rm: as said, I have tried both that and scripts
<rm> if THOSE don't boot
<rm> then clearly something's wrong
<traeak> be systematic on rebuilding your images...or just wait :-p
<The-Compiler> my question about the MAC is still open?
<The-Compiler> -?
<traeak> i don't htink that's an issue, my past experience was that a random macid is generated
<The-Compiler> well, afk for a bit, taking a shower
<mnemoc> if you don't set your MAC in script.bin or pass mac_addr= with the bootloader you'll have a random one
<The-Compiler> okay, so at least I should see something in the router logs
<traeak> oh
<traeak> here's another issue
<traeak> if you got impatient during first boot
<traeak> no, sorry
<traeak> you should get a dhcp response regardless
<The-Compiler> I'm impatient with waiting for my TLL to USB adapter
<The-Compiler> :P
<mnemoc> assuming your OS is setup to use dhcp
<traeak> find another hobby for the time being :-p
<The-Compiler> but I really hope I don't have that issue, having to do some hack with the internal memory would suck
<rm> mouse should light up about 5-10 seconds after power-on; also keyboard should flash all 3 LEDs very early too
<mnemoc> and no one (udev) decided to rename your eth0 to eth1 because the mac changes
<rm> none of those? it didn't make it to the kernel and likely just stuck in u-boot or u-boot SPL
<The-Compiler> the only keyboard I have around is a wireless one without LEDs I believe :D
<traeak> yup, i'm with rm on that
<traeak> The-Compiler: you arne't set up for hardware hacking
<The-Compiler> true, true :D
<The-Compiler> well it worked fine with my Pandaboard, but that's made for hacking ;)
<rm> at least you have actual UART pins on the mele
<rm> only small soldering pads on the MK802
<rm> not even through-holes
<mnemoc> The-Compiler: the pandaboard is a PR tool created for hacking by TI itself, of course it has better support than any board using chinese SoCs
<traeak> slight hiccup with the GPU of course
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<The-Compiler> rm: hehe :D I'm an electronical engineer though and I'm fine with soldering 0402 SMD parts, so that wouldn't have bothered me ;)
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<The-Compiler> regarding <traeak> The-Compiler: you arne't set up for hardware hacking
<The-Compiler> what would you recommend me to get? TTL to USB adapter of course, I'll also get a keyboard so I can leave my wireless one at the PC... what else comes in handy?
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<mnemoc> The-Compiler: important to mention is that the uart and usb/otg headers are 2mm, not 0.1"
<mnemoc> so you will probably need special jumper wires
<The-Compiler> eek. Well I'll find something I guess.
<The-Compiler> and if not I'll just solder wires to the pins as I plan to get a miniUSB-port in there anyways
<WarheadsSE> The-Compiler: they should fit JST
<The-Compiler> I'm really curious why it isn't booting...
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<WarheadsSE> well the console will tell you that, for sure
<mnemoc> my console doesn't want to tell me why my ubuntu card decided to not start any getty or ssh :'( while I can run getty manually without problems using init=/bin/bash
<WarheadsSE> Hmm, but was there no spl/uboot output?
<mnemoc> I get all the output, even userspace stuff on the serial console
<Turl> mnemoc: upstart update?
<mnemoc> not manual at least
<mnemoc> Turl: but I assume it's upcrap related
* WarheadsSE poof
<mnemoc> but no hint in /dev/console or /var/log/* what's wrong :<
<hno> The-Compiler, the header in Mele is a standard 2.0mm 5 pin PH header, and you are likely to find a matching cable in USB mices and the like, only needing to move some pins.
<hno> mnemoc, likely the getty recipe isn't active.
<Turl> mnemoc: dmesg?
<mnemoc> Turl: no prompt -> no dmesg
<hno> dmesg only tells kernel issues mostly.
<hno> upstart not starting getty is not a kernel issue.
<The-Compiler> hno: or as said I'll just solder to it :P
<mnemoc> do you know how to re-activate them manually? (i.e. vi/ln/touch)
<mnemoc> openssh is not been started either
<mnemoc> pretty annoying
<mnemoc> almost as annoying as fbcon at 720p on a 7" monitor :)
<mnemoc> but that only when using init=/bin/bash ... because the getty on tty1 is not started by this upstart thing :< .... /me misses /etc/rc.d/...
<The-Compiler> that's why I use Arch. :P </war>
<mnemoc> (and /etc/inittab)
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<Turl> mnemoc: check /etc/init/tty1.conf
<Turl> and ttyX.conf with X=int
<mnemoc> they all look fine
<mnemoc> ttyX? ... uhm
<mnemoc> ah, sorry... tty$X :p
<mnemoc> yes, they all look fine
<Turl> :P
<Turl> do you have ttys enabled in kernel btw?
<mnemoc> yes. bypassing upstart I can run all the gettys and ssh manually without any trouble
<mnemoc> and my tty1.conf is identical to that
<hno> isn't there an emergency shell option in upstart?
* mnemoc googles for that
<mnemoc> hno: "emergency shell" seems to be a fancy name for tty[1-6]
<hno> Found https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455763 which punts to systemd..
<hno> mnemoc, it's not. the emergency shell drops you in a shell at the console, while init is still running.
<mnemoc> I think I'll just re-create the card with a fresh install
<hno> for debugging init related issues.
<mnemoc> that would be nice... init=/bin/bash isn't every useful to troubleshoot this
<rzk> cool, http://www.rosalab.com/ is porting webos to A10 for their products.
<mnemoc> when ssh gave me connection refused I thought /dev/pts wasn't been mounted... but /dev/tty* come from devtmpfs and it's premounted
<rzk> cant really get why they do that, but seems like they know how and where to sell it.
<mnemoc> rzk: using the gpl violating kernel/bootloader or public ones?
<rzk> dont know, this is just from words of a guy who today been at their office
<rzk> they offered him a job for A10 support or something
<mnemoc> nice
<rzk> that guy is Xlab by the way, he was here sometime ago
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