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<furan> hno not much, just info about what stage it's at
<furan> I'll copy a log
<furan> trying my hand at upgrading NANd
<furan> turns out i had a bad usb cable the other day (what luck)
<furan> anyway, I've got the new entry for the 32gig chip I'm using in every place that references it (including the code used to flash, etc)
<furan> and it flashes successfully, but then boots back into fel again
<furan> so I have to ask, does brom have a list of supported nand? that can't be true.
<Turl> furan: can you boot an sdcard still?
<furan> fel sd card works, cwm one doesn't, yet
<Turl> furan: because you could try an sdcard + linux and see if nand works
<furan> well I think the device is good
<furan> just need to get the nand info correct
<furan> (id is fine, block count/die count aren't)
<furan> here's the debug output of livesuit
<furan> there's a little loader noise in there, you can ignore that
<furan> not sure if it's useful for anything but there it is :P
<steev> specing: on the LY-F1, factory image, which partition is considered recovery
<steev> furan: iirc, you may have to hack up the fex a bit, if you haven't. istr something about telling it how much nand you have
<furan> already have
<furan> basically just patched everywhere that used a specific nand id with a new nand id and fixed table entries
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<Boulet> hi everybody
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<tristezo2k> hello everybody, I need so help to make spdif work on my a10
<tristezo2k> I found a log of this room at
<tristezo2k> I have an a10-media-pc booted with debian
<tristezo2k> and spdif is not starting properly
<tristezo2k> according to the room log it might be something on the script.fex
<tristezo2k> I am no so sure where to go from there :)
<Turl> do you get audio on any of the other outputs?
<tristezo2k> I don´t have any other output
<tristezo2k> my ddevice doesn´t have analogic outputs
<tristezo2k> and I don´t have an hdmi monitor :-S
<tristezo2k> however
<tristezo2k> audio seems to run, I mean mixer and such
<tristezo2k> it looks to me that the spdif is not being recognized
<tristezo2k> checking boot logs from android and debian
<tristezo2k> I see an error message in debian
<tristezo2k> http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?6,9197,9269#msg-9269
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<orly_owl> any NAS devices using allwinner?
<lundman> great idea, I already ported zfs
<orly_owl> i hear that's good for nas
<lundman> very
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<Turl> I use mine as NAS
<Turl> have a 1T USB disk attached to it and share it over NFS
<orly_owl> your what
<lundman> zpool 4.53T 2.53T 2.00T 55% 1.00x ONLINE -
<lundman> woo
<lundman> oh wait, that's the smallone
<Turl> lundman: no compression? :)
<lundman> heh yeah mkv dont compress so much :)
<Turl> :)
<lundman> zpool1 31.2T 1.70T 29.5T 5% ONLINE -
<lundman> woo
<Turl> I was thinking of installing Debian/kFreeBSD on my new PC
<Turl> just for the sake of trying it out :)
<orly_owl> is there an arm port? ^^
<Turl> idk
<Turl> never heard of bsd on arm
<Turl> :P
<lundman> free andnet both have armports
<lundman> i used tobe allnetbsd
<lundman> getting tired of this space
<lundman> dontbuy luxeed u7 keyboard
<Turl> looks... interesting
<Turl> I see it has no numpad though, not a chance I'll ever buy it :)
<lundman> yeah the leds worked for about 2 months
<lundman> now they blink like it had a storke
<lundman> er stroke
<orly_owl> or a stork delivering a baby
<Turl> lundman: how can you survive without a numpad? :P
<lundman> never use them..
<lundman> but I know some people only use them
<orly_owl> you just type numbers like so: one, two, three...
<Turl> lundman: I find it heavily inconvenient to use the numbers over the a-z keys
<Turl> if it weren't for the non-a-z chars that are shift combos over there I'd nuke that row
<lundman> yeah, I learnt my typing on C64, so its not like I learnt to uyse them
<lundman> but numpadis good when gaming
<Turl> I never use the numpad with games :|
<Turl> games should use the arrow keys
<Turl> or wasd if it's some shooter for right handed people :)
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<lundman> ye
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<Mazon> "Gimli and Peter will receive a new version of libVE within today so that you can move on. Allwinner is redeveloping the cedarX by following OPENMAX too and will share with the community once available. " <- yeah
<Mazon> about f* time :)
<Boulet_> oh nice
<Mazon> interresting that they're switching to openmax
<Boulet_> yeah
<Boulet_> but openmax already has some optimization for neon, i wonder if they will really use their CedarX processor in those new libs.....
<Mazon> I don't know much about the openmax api, but the fact that it's used throughout bodes well for the use of allwinner SoCs in xbmc systems
<Mazon> and other media decoder uses
<Mazon> and encoder?
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<specing> steev: I have no idea :|
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<Mazon> so, the front page of http://www.geniatech.com says: "Android 4.1 is now available on Android TV Box ATV1200 and ATV1600" - but where can you actually BUY the ATV1200 ?
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<RaYmAn> it'd be nice to know what SoC it actually uses
<Mazon> amlogic m6
<Mazon> afaik
<Mazon> so, dualcore and 1GB ram ... what the mele should have had :)
<Mazon> just dont know whats on the board, development wise
<RaYmAn> yeah
<RaYmAn> and whether amlogic is opensource friendly or not (probably not)
<Mazon> they will be demoing it at IFA come september
<orly_owl> does elinux.org have a list of allwinner hardware
<orly_owl> or is therre another site
<Mazon> afaik, amlogic is not that friendly, according to luke
<RaYmAn> Mazon: btw, where did you hear about openmax vs cedarx thing?
<orly_owl> ty
<Mazon> RaYmAn, xbmc forum
<RaYmAn> ah
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<hipboi_> anyone has nexus 7?
<RaYmAn> yup
<RaYmAn> not with me though - at home
<hipboi_> i have played with it a little bit
<hipboi_> i feel it's not very good...
<RaYmAn> How so?
<RaYmAn> I was quite impressed tbh (and I have uhm, 6 other tablets)
<hipboi_> it's thick
<hipboi_> and many buttons, input field are very small
<hipboi_> like in google play, install button
<RaYmAn> I'll admit those are a bit small, yeah
<hipboi_> and the inform center
<hipboi_> looks not good
<specing> yeah, all these consumer devices are crap anyway
<RaYmAn> really? I'm quite happy with my n7.. The size is quite nice - it's really designed for portrait usage only - landscape isn't that great. It plays videos nicely, has an awesome quality screen with a relatively high res
<RaYmAn> and it's speedy and batteyr is pretty decent
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<WarheadsSE> Mazon: Arch Linux ARM is working with a person in teh company to get as much open as possible. Their video stack blows for accessibility at the moment.
<Marex> cedarX
<Marex> ?
<Mazon> WarheadsSE, great to hear
<WarheadsSE> Not cedarX, the amlogic chips
<Turl> Allwinner going to use OMX? :D
<Mazon> Turl, bit slow today ? :)
<Turl> yeah
<Turl> :P
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<Turl> I'll believe it when I see it though :P
<Turl> the only company that ever delivered on time in my experience has been authentec :P
<Turl> hipboi why did you say on the ML that Mali performance is bad on JB?
<hipboi> not bad?
<hipboi> from your experience?
<Turl> it's the same or better than on ICS
<hipboi> ok
<hipboi> it will be a long time for arm to release a new driver for JB
<RaYmAn> ICS drivers work pretty well on JB for e.g. tegra2/3
<RaYmAn> obviously tegra != mali, but still.
<Turl> there's no change 'required' for JB afaik
<hipboi> yes
<RaYmAn> Turl: there is the vsync stuff - but not really required
<hipboi> but there are improvement
<Turl> yeah, other than VSYNC, but it works without it
<hipboi> like triple buffer
<RaYmAn> yeah, should make it more smooth
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<hipboi> Turl: is your repo of JB built successfully?
<Turl> hipboi yes
<Turl> no cedar though
<WarheadsSE> Turl: its step 1 on breakig the cedarX down.. i dont see where Allwinner is switching
<Turl> it'd be really good if that piece of news that allwinner is switching to OMX were true hipboi :)
<WarheadsSE> OH, THERE Turl
<hipboi> i don't think there will turn to OMX
<hipboi> they
<WarheadsSE> Just received an additional message:
<WarheadsSE> "Gimli and Peter will receive a new version of libVE within today so that you can move on. Allwinner is redeveloping the cedarX by following OPENMAX too and will share with the community once available.
<WarheadsSE> Best regards,
<WarheadsSE> Eva"
<Turl> ^ hipboi that
<hipboi> really?
<hipboi> today?
<Turl> switching to OMX is a win for allwinner on the long run really
<Turl> less maintenance cost for new android versions
<Turl> OMX api is stable
<hipboi> is today in the message means today?
<Turl> hipboi probably
<Turl> I saw it on a post on xbmc forum dated today too
<Boulet> "is a win for allwinner"
<Boulet> allwinner wins it all, so that was expected :o)
<Turl> lol
<Turl> yeah there's where I saw it :)
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<Turl> ouch 7.3 earthquake on Japan & Russia
<Marex> Turl: again ?
<Turl> cnn entry is dated last night
<lundman> i felt thatone
<lundman> but quite gentle down here
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<Marex> lundman: :-(
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<WarheadsSE> yet another A10
<WarheadsSE> lol @ "Boxchip A10"
<WarheadsSE> Apparently it boots with the evb.bin setup ok. unlike the LY-F1 A721 ....
<orly_owl> looks nice
<WarheadsSE> its "purdy"
<WarheadsSE> I'm noticing only spl issues with these boards that are dual banked as 2x2x128M vs 2x1x256M, everything else seems to be working ok when it
<Boulet> has JTAG and uart, nice
<WarheadsSE> Have to figure that out later
<WarheadsSE> it's got samsung dram, so at least that is not total shit
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<tristezo2k> I got it running over my table right now :)
<tristezo2k> it is playing jason becker right now with mpd
<Boulet> what is that huge capacitor for ?? (that they did not populate on the board)
<Boulet> oops battery
<Boulet> ;)
<tristezo2k> yes, it is at the power input, this is the backside
<WarheadsSE> tristezo2k: which tablet
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* WarheadsSE taps screen
<tristezo2k> SOorry, The one you pointed, the a10 media pc
<tristezo2k> I used three days to make it work :)
<tristezo2k> it presents itself as Board: A10-EVB at the serial console
<RaYmAn> that string is hardcoded in uboot
<RaYmAn> it also says that if I boot hno's u-boot on my a13 tablet :P
<tristezo2k> sorry, it has been three days learning how to make this things work too
<tristezo2k> starting from 0 :P
<RaYmAn> serial console helps a lot =P
<tristezo2k> this is the complete boot sequence on serial
<tristezo2k> I had to extract the script.bin from the original android, and put it along the debian it is now running to make spdif work.
<WarheadsSE> mm, yeah, 1 bank of 512
<WarheadsSE> the A721 LY-F1 A10 tablet seems to be 2 banks of 256
<WarheadsSE> doesn't init right, takes a massive crapola
<WarheadsSE> Would be nice if you add it's bin converted to fex to the wiki or somewhere.
<tristezo2k> ok
<WarheadsSE> I'll need to do that when I get time to actually futz with the gooseberry
<tristezo2k> on which oage?
<tristezo2k> page?
<WarheadsSE> tristezo2k: idk
<tristezo2k> idk ?
<WarheadsSE> if anyone ever wants to send ne of these to an Arch Linux ARM dev, we'll make it happy ... https://www.miniand.com/products/Hackberry%20A10%20Developer%20Board
<hno> tristezo2k, mnemoc collects bin files for various devices.
<tristezo2k> mnemoc? looks like menmonics :)
<tristezo2k> mnemonics, sorry, ok it is here http://pastebin.com/a7NTDWP9
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<RaYmAn> hno: oh, btw. Before I booted kernel directly, I was using u-boot, halted at serial. U-boot loaded over fel that is. might be able to get more info on what breaks that way?
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<o00owooto00o> Hi, anyone around to give some assistance? A10 tablet, flashing CM10 - was advised i need to increase /system size, however not told what ROM would allow me to do this... any help would be great
<o00owooto00o> ly-f1 tablet
<Turl> o00owooto00o: no ROM will let you repartition as far as I'm aware
<hno> o00owooto00o, best way to repartition is to have a livesuite image with suitable partitioning, and select for format the flash when running livesuite.
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<Turl> if you don't want to livesuite you can use a super ultra fresh recovery built by yourself with the latest amery kernel + something like http://turl.linux-sunxi.org/repartition-zatab-jb.zip
<Turl> adjust the size of the partitions on the script
<Turl> then format data & system and reflash your rom of choice
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<o00owooto00o> okay. i dont mine livsuite. just dont know what img has the right system size
<furan> wish I could get this nand upgrade working
<furan> livesuit flashes now, and it takes a lot longer since the chip is much larger
<furan> but brom reboots into fel
<furan> which makes me wonder if brom has supported nand hardcoded
<furan> otherwise I am not sure how it is able to read the first page
<furan> I guess if I can get everything working I could have an sd card with u-boot on it that jumps to u-boot on the nand
<furan> yeah I should try to get sd card boot working today
<hno> RaYmAn, test1 + u-boot.bin over fel?
<Boulet> in the USB branch of u-boot, there is a fastboot.c
<Boulet> with it is it possible to load a kernel via usb without flashing it ?
<o00owooto00o> Turl any idea where to get an IMG with bigger /system ?
<Boulet> it should be possible to boot everything without flashing isn't it ?
<Boulet> maybe load test1, come back to fel, load the kernel to DDR3 via fel, load u-boot and u-boot executes kernel ?
<hno> Boulet, no idea. It's a pretty mutilated fastboot.
<hno> Boulet, there is also the option of loading kernel over serial. No hacks needed
<Boulet> serial, you mean UART ? gosh...
<hno> yes
<Boulet> i am not sure i have that patience ...
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<furan> I should also figure out the uart...
<hno> Boulet, it's only 5min for the kernel.
<Boulet> right but would be 5sec by fel ;)
<furan> btw does brom/fel output anything over uart?
<Boulet> as long as we tell u-boot to just execute and not load anything
<hno> furan, no
<furan> ok
<hno> Boulet, you can't fel to u-boot. You would need to fel copy the kernel before starting uboot
<hno> but then, why uboot?
<Boulet> yes, that's what i said :)
<Boulet> hno, right, why uboot ....
<Turl> o00owooto00o: I'm not aware of any in existence
<furan> another question, when I look at the boot partition, linux.ini references u-boot, but where does u-boot decide to boot from nand? is it hardcoded?
<furan> (e.g. there is no boot.scr or whatever0
<hno> o00owooto00o, easy t build one from the SDK.
<hno> furan, ther is both a default environment, and an environment partition in the nand.
<hno> furan, halt u-boot and then printenv to see how yours is configured.
<hno> requires uart.
<o00owooto00o> hno... not sure how to do it? Turl gave me this link. http://turl.linux-sunxi.org/repartition-zatab-jb.zip but not sure what to do
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<hno> o00owooto00o, get an A10 Android SDK. edit the fex with your desired partitioning. Build. flash with livesuit
<hno> then flash again with the rom you want to use
<o00owooto00o> A10 SDK? from android website? not sure where?
<RaYmAn> hno: yeah - it seemed to work fine here... with u-boot.bin :) Just load it at same address as boot1 does (e..g linux.ini thing)
<furan> thanks hno
<furan> I just killed a board by ripping a pad
<furan> just got a microscope for soldering and ordered finer tips
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<hno> furan, get a board with an uart header, there is two known ones. Or do the SD breakout trick.
<furan> in this case it was nand flash pad
<furan> I am normally good at smt, just been a few years
<furan> basically I am working on having a 64gb nand flash allwinner device
<furan> but I can use mk802 to get it working
<furan> so going to solder a tsop socket on the mk802 board and use the well-known uart pads on it
* hno is an smt novice. Components had 2.54mm spacing when I did most my soldering.
<tristezo2k> :)
<hno> those 0805 sized resistor mats with 4 resistors each on the A13 Olinuxino board looks scary to solder with a solder iron.
<tristezo2k> there is a technique... you just put solder on all legs and then remove what shouldn´t be there
<L84Supper> i didn't know that tubes had smt pads :)
<hno> tristezo2k, Yes, learnt that the hard way yesterday in a little accident while soldering leads to a 1206 sized mat nearby..
<tristezo2k> learning the hard way is mostly the only way :)
<L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uiroWBkdFY SOIC QFP etc is not to hard to get the hang of
<furan> tristezo2k: yeah I use that
<L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY checkout 0603 howto @ 1:50
<hno> RaYmAn, looking at the JTAG page. you say one should connect nTRST and nRESET to GND?
<RaYmAn> hno: no, sorry. I'm saying if you use the microsd breakout, they are connected to that
<hno> L84Supper, the 0603 resistor mat is 4 resistors in 0603 package. Each resistor i like 0402
<RaYmAn> In practice I'm only connecting TDI,TDO,TMS,TCK, GND and VDD
<hno> By VDD you mean Vref to the probe I?
<RaYmAn> I guess
<RaYmAn> it's called VTG on the jtag pinouts I've seen
<hno> The same.
<hno> target voltage reference
<RaYmAn> okay
<RaYmAn> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0499e/BEHEIDDH.html
<RaYmAn> I see :)
<RaYmAn> I guess that explains why it wasn't working without :P
<L84Supper> hno: you'll get the hang of it, it takes a steady hand but I've been able to fix routing mistakes in proto's even under BGA's
<RaYmAn> I really had very little clue about JTAG before I started on this :P
<hno> L84Supper, under? How do one do that?
<hno> desolder the BGA, rework the board, resolder?
<L84Supper> hno: pretty much :) cut trace, drill hole etc, solder 40 ga wire, reball resolder
<L84Supper> there are a few youtube vids on howto
<hno> L84Supper, do that wire fit under the BGA?
<L84Supper> hno: yeah, it's tight, 40 ga is ~0.003" (0.08mm) dia + 10um of enamel insulation
<L84Supper> hno: you can get even finer wire, they use <25um dia wire for wire bonding inside BGA packages to the die
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<WarheadsSE> split of the A10 stuff in the Arch Linux ARM forums
<WarheadsSE> I suppose it is about time.
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