mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
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<Shivan> Hi
<Shivan> i remember that some time ago someone was talking about the Ingenic JZ4770
<Shivan> In my attempt of running Linux on it i come up to this page http://www.ingenic.cn/product.aspx?ID=62
<Shivan> What calls my atention is the source code for the Mplayer, mplayer-hq-jz4770-20111220-r13.tar.bz2
<Shivan> With it seems to have the source code for the videos libs needed for hardware decode
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<mSquare> Where can i locate list of allwinner-a10 tablet manufacturers, specs, prices ? Any clues?
<mSquare> ZaEarl: cool..thanks..
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<mnemoc> techn: do you have a serial console on that device? linux or android?
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<mnemoc> techn: btw, did you know http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~marcheu/lgd/tree/ ?
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<rm> got my U-Host :3
<rm> what photos don't tell you, it's not cheap plastic as it looks like,
<hipboi> rm: hehe
<rm> but some kind of soft-rubber coating
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<rm> making it feel like something of really high class
<rm> I believe this is called "soft-touch"
<hipboi> because of the "ugly look", very few people buy it
<rm> it looks and feels 1000% better in real life than on the photos
<RITRedbeard> I imagine the photos feel like celluloid.
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<mnemoc> rm: nice :)
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<xxiao1> intel's new atom, clover trail, will not work with linux, as it needs to be win8 only
<xxiao1> this is probably the first time i heard a IC vendor states loudly that its chip will not work with certain OS
<mnemoc> :o
<jelly-home> xxiao1: there have already been atom mainboards which had disabled long mode because 64bit windows did not work on them
<jelly-home> your atom cpu has 64bit? You want to run 64bit linux on this HTPC board? Tough
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<traeak> the whole think is that powervr sucks, imageon sucks and they need to be removed from the market
<traeak> next version of atom will dump powervr in favor of intel's own video core
<traeak> so i guess they dont' want to sink resources into that atom or something
<traeak> interesting question, but i'm sure MS is a bad guy here as well
<traeak> it's probably best to avoid atom altoghether at this point
<traeak> it brings nothing new that was around in 2008
<traeak> with atom i mean
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<xxiao1> atom's architect was laid off due to its failure, somehow intel still keeps releasing new atoms
<xxiao1> anyways i don't use atom for anything other than my netbook
<traeak> what is "failure" to them?
<traeak> i mean they grabbed mindshare in a market that wasn't there
<traeak> and essentially destroyed it
<traeak> befoe someone else could develop it
<traeak> defensive strategy
<xxiao1> certain atom was shot for smartphone...
<xxiao1> which never happened.
<traeak> intel didn't realize the demand for netbooks
<traeak> which IMHO is still there, they just need to actually upgrade those damn cpus
* xxiao1 thinks netbook is better than tablets in many places
<traeak> ie: my original acer aspire ones areperformance wise on par with the netbooks sold today
<traeak> although i have to admit an 11.6 or 12.1" screen is probably most practical
<traeak> i do have this nokia 3g netbook with 12??x720 screen
<traeak> that's actually a nice machine
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<traeak> after the last plane trip i'm afraid an 11.6 might be too big for that
<traeak> 9 hour battery is very nice though
<xxiao1> which is the No.1 reason i bought netbook, to use on airplane when there was no power outlet back then
<traeak> i recently saw an atom/ion hp 11.6 for 170usd
<xxiao1> nowadays some airplane provides outlets
<traeak> international flights
<traeak> domestic well...
<jinzo_> btw: they're actually mass producing/shipping some Intel based smartphones
<traeak> medfield
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<jinzo_> I'we been hearing they're quite good for the price.
<jinzo_> but I would guess Intel doesen't make any money on it at the moment
<traeak> yeah probaly subsidized
<traeak> and tons of competition
<traeak> how many arm soc manufacturers are there?
<traeak> intel vs all of them
<jinzo_> but not that many of them (in the smartphone market let's say) drive innovation/have big research teams
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<traeak> that would be arm themselves
<jinzo_> still, nvidia, quallcom, TI, samsung,... are doing their own R&D to some degree
<jinzo_> to differentiate themselfs from other ARM manufacturers
<traeak> intel has one millstone around their neck
<traeak> their profitabilty historically has been amazing
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<traeak> i think for the soc market it's not nearly so...
<jinzo_> and they can do some preatty good R&D and products if they have to.
<jinzo_> on the other hand you have IBM & hynix with memristor sheningans... bah.
<traeak> ahh turning market on its head
<traeak> good things
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<jinzo_> yeah, but postponing that for 1 years so the current buisness doesen't get a big blow sucks.
<traeak> we need more competition in the market
<traeak> "if you aren't willing to cannibalize your own market someone else will do it for you"
<traeak> that's a good environment to be in typically
<traeak> for consumers especially
<traeak> patent bullshit
<jelly-home> hah, hynix is playing multiple fields apparently
<jelly-home> "SK hynix is pursuing Phase-Change Memory (PCM) with IBM, MRAM (magnetic RAM) with Toshiba, and memristors (resistive RAM or ReRAM) with HP"
<jinzo_> yeah, and they delayed the technology because they wanted to phase out their memory products without too much risk/loss.
<traeak> of course
<traeak> well they can afford to sit on their patents since they are absurdly long for modern tech markets
<traeak> product cycles now are months
<traeak> in the 1800's i think product cycles were years if not decades
<traeak> probably years
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<techn> mnemoc: should adb work with default a13 kernel cfg?
<mnemoc> never tried it
<mnemoc> iirc in 3.0-v2/sun4i_crane_defconfig works
<mnemoc> in 3.4 we don't have usb gadget at all yet
<xxiao1> . .bashrc failed to work on ubuntu 12.04? . ./.bashrc works fine
<xxiao1> never saw this before
<mnemoc> weird
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<techn> mnemoc: CONFIG_ANDROID_RAM_CONSOLE_EARLY_INIT=y in sun5i cfg, sun4i has not set
<techn> mnemoc: should usb work drivers work with a13? :)
<mnemoc> usb host works just fine in my olinuxino...
<techn> how about slave?
<mnemoc> never tried it
<mnemoc> neither on sun4i
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<techn> found couple differences which could matter
<mnemoc> want to unify the driver? :)
<techn> no.. just cfg differences :)
<techn> but ofcourse it could help if we could use same cfg
<techn> hmm.. our usb gadget android is broken?
<techn> no it's usb ether.c
<mnemoc> it needs to be reimplemented, they hacked slave support directly into gadget/android.c
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<CIA-17> rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r793b1ccab5f8 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus
<CIA-17> rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r48d0054f0326 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (.mdwn not_valid/pochy.mdwn not_valid/x09.mdwn x09.mdwn): order processing cleanup
<CIA-17> rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rfb6c78b56011 /allwinner_a10/orders/Straiker.mdwn: order processing cleanup
<CIA-17> rhombus-tech: http://robertmaksytov.livejournal.com/ master * r3968975d440a /allwinner_a10/orders/Straiker.mdwn:
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<CIA-17> rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rffb570a2e99b /enyxos4410.mdwn:
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<eflatun> hi i am trying to make a bootable sd card for my miniX from miniand.com. their mk802 images didnt worked for me and they dont respond me
<eflatun> while compiling the kernel (make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage step) there is an ero
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<eflatun> eror like
<eflatun> arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm/standby.S: Assembler messages:
<eflatun> arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm/standby.S:3: Error: file not found: arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm/standby/standby.code
<eflatun> make[2]: *** [arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm/standby.o] Hata 1
<eflatun> make[1]: *** [arch/arm/mach-sun4i/pm] Hata 2
<eflatun> make: *** [arch/arm/mach-sun4i] Hata 2
<eflatun> can anyone help me
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<rz2k> what branch are you using?
<rz2k> also, do this happen when you are using -j option or not?
<eflatun> ehat do you mean with branch
<rz2k> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_mmc_boot/ suggests you to use github.com/allwinner/ which is wrong, you need to use https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner
<rz2k> somebody, update the rhombus wiki already :/
<eflatun> should i go over all steps
<techn> I'm using cnx software scripts.. they seem to work pretty nice, with couple modifications..
<rz2k> yeah, if you are not familiar with building the kernel you can download daily build from http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly/latest/
<eflatun> let me to try to that repo thank for reply
<techn> and I'm using mk802 config
<rz2k> eflatun: http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/13/hardware-packs-for-allwinner-a10-devices-and-easier-method-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-12-04-sd-card/ read "Creating a bootable Ubuntu 12.04 SD card for Mele A1000, MK802, MINI X…"
<techn> on Minix
<eflatun> wow fast link you say
<eflatun> i will consider the options
<rz2k> dont download hwpacks from dropbox links though, use new ones from http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly/latest/
<rz2k> that article is somewhat old.
<techn> but still valid.. atleast almost :)
<mnemoc> that's the latest
<techn> just check if new versions are available
<rz2k> eflatun: also check this wiki http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page it will answer your futher questions (probably).
<techn> like latest linaro-alib-ubuntu was released end of last month
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<techn> hmm.. I got pinguing when I enabled logo :/
<techn> and android console still not working
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