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<steev>
man fuck xda
<steev>
THIS THREAD WAS CLOSED BECAUSE OF WAREZ
<steev>
wat?
<RaYmAn>
presumably there was warez in the thread :P
<traeak>
heh
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<steev>
i've read through all 17 pages
<steev>
there is no MODEDIT anywhere aside from the main post
<steev>
in fact, all the links are still in the thread, just the main post is modified (and the links are the same in the other posts in the thread)
<steev>
it was also the only place to get a working CM10 for the LY-F1 without any hassles
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<revident>
steev, if that CM10 image was distributing proprietary drivers (in a manner that would violate licensing of them) then I could see that as valid reason for them to cut it off. Was that the case?
<RaYmAn>
usually xda is pretty lenient on drivers
<steev>
revident: no more proprietary than the usual drivers for android
<RaYmAn>
because they are considered required + the person flashing them already has a legal copy on his/her device
<steev>
either way, i was never really a fan of xda, now i don't have to go back ever
<RaYmAn>
It's more likely GPL related
<steev>
and i got the download link from futher in the thread, because mod was a dumbass
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<steev>
unless they've gone through and massively removed all links to roms
<rz2k>
this is with your commit about splitting disp/ump
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<steev>
revident: actually the interesting thing was, the only link that i'd really consider questionable was the link to the gapps (which was left unedited)
<RaYmAn>
steev: they often use the warez label if the author refuses to live up to GPL (at least, I've seen that in other threads)
<steev>
why not call it what it properly is then? CLOSED FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE GPL
<RaYmAn>
I was just communication what I've seen happen :P
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<steev>
RaYmAn: i'm sure, it's still annoying to me that people refuse to educate themselves. they really have a great opportunity with this, and instead associate it with illegally gained software that's usually of questionable nature
<RaYmAn>
rz2k: there should be a define identical to that one elsewhere (which then calls the _disp_get_ump_secure_id )
<RaYmAn>
technically speaking, violating GPL is ~warez ;)
<steev>
no, it isn't
<traeak>
so playing with android steev ?
<steev>
unless you're trying to argue stealing is stealing
<RaYmAn>
In both cases, you violate the copyright holders Copyright and hence their License.
<steev>
at which point, taking a pen home from the office ~warez
<traeak>
interesting with apple and the a6, it seems that improving the arm core design is a low hanging fruit. I guess arm isn't exactly well known for putting together a tight performance core
<RaYmAn>
it only applies to software obviously.
<steev>
violating the license isn't stealing the software
<RaYmAn>
then warez isn't stealing the software either
<RaYmAn>
cause all you do there is violate the license.
<steev>
traeak: actually that isn't true
<steev>
RaYmAn: really?
<RaYmAn>
it's not the process of downloading software that's illegal
<RaYmAn>
It's using it without having a valid license.
<RaYmAn>
technically speaking
<steev>
RaYmAn: so if i "warez" a copy of Maya3d or some other software program that costs 30K USD
<traeak>
steev: i was just saying that the jump from armv6 to armv7 was huge
<RaYmAn>
it's of course a bit more complicated than that
<RaYmAn>
steev: then you are violating the license of the program.
<steev>
all i've done is technically violated the license?
<traeak>
steev: only speculating that there'd be more low hanging fruit for getting big performance jumps
<steev>
traeak: there are 2 different cores available from ARM
<steev>
one for performance, one for power.... management
<steev>
90% of companies license the power maangement one
<steev>
RaYmAn: wow, if only i'd known that stealing a program "worth" 30K was really only a license violation
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<RaYmAn>
steev: value has no concept in whether you violate a license or not.
<RaYmAn>
obviously, if a program is more expensive, they can argue higher damages.
<RaYmAn>
steev: also, I guess it's more license violation => copyright infringement
<steev>
RaYmAn: you violate the license both times, the GPL already lists the "damages" possible (you lose your ability to distribute said program) - however, there is no proof that he's violating the GPL, and even if he were, i've seen no one ask him for the sources in the thread at all, and based on messages he seems pretty open about everything. he points to exactly where the work came from and tells
<steev>
what the differences are between the two.
<steev>
secondly, there's no set time frame for GPL "compliance" - it simply says "in a timely manner"
<steev>
Apple, who are a shitload larger than a single developer, take 6-12 months to post their gpl sources
<steev>
same for Goog and others, although they've gotten better at it lately
<RaYmAn>
IF said issue was GPL violation, the person is more than welcome to post his work elsewhere - XDA are free to decide that not posting sources after a mods ask (for example) => thread close
<RaYmAn>
(also, the license/copyrigth infringement vs stealing depends on country really - but either way, if paid software => stealing, surely violating gpl license => stealing)
<steev>
we can agree to disagree re: stealing (although i do believe it's wrong), but again, there was no indication whatsoever
<steev>
and yeah they are free to close it, but in my eyes they definitely went down a shitload of notches, not that they were particularly high up on the totem pole of sites worth visiting
<RaYmAn>
as I said wrt stealing, it varies by country. In my country it's not legally classified as stealing, but as copyright infringement.
<RaYmAn>
(which makes it a civil suit)
<hno>
rz2k, no idea how it works or what is valid.
<techn>
rz2k: hno: found bug. int should be unsigned int?
<rz2k>
also r2p4 doesnt have these ioctls, only get_secure_id
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<RaYmAn>
hno: Samsung Origen? iirc that's Mali400 as well and linaro has builds for Linux on that
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<RaYmAn>
hno: hmm, no..Looks like they are having issues getting hwgfx working on origin as well
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<hno>
rz2k, where are the ioctls defined again?
<bsdfox>
hey I just got my A2000 this morning and I'm trying to figure out how to boot ubuntu on it. I dd the image to an sd card stick it in and power it up but I get no video. pull the card out and it boots to android
<rz2k>
and I've diff'ed UMP and Mali400 in our next_mali branch with r3p0 from malideveloper, its 1:1.
<rz2k>
(except config.h for a10)
<hno>
we are at r3p0, right?
<rz2k>
yes
<techn>
rz2k: how it tries to get BUF2.. I wont get it :/
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<rz2k>
mm, dumb idea probably, but mali r3p0 seems to introduce two framebuffers support with this
<rz2k>
(mali_drv in DRM has support for two too)
<hno>
But why do they need two ioctls when these are called on the framebuffer?
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<rz2k>
no idea, another ARM-style crap code maybe?
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<rz2k>
because they left include to ../../../../devicedrv/
<rz2k>
in release version for public
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<hno>
and README.txt do not even reflect the right location where the ioctls are defined.
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<rz2k>
interesting that GET_UMP_SECURE_ID_BUF1 should retrive secure_id as just GET_UMP_SECURE_ID as techn said, but on my mele with next_mali kernel and modules secure_id = 1 which is define for UMP_INVALID_SECURE_ID
<rz2k>
so even if the x11 driver is broken, we still have our disp-ump broken, lol.
<hno>
Seems they are the same. _BUF1 == the original for first framebuffer, and _BUF2 the new for second framebuffer.
<hno>
The original one is no longer used.
<techn>
hno: I think _BUF2 is backbuffer
<techn>
so they implemented somekind doublebuffering?
<hno>
techn, yes seems so on a second reading.
<techn>
.. but README says that virtual xres should be 2*xres <- which is orginal double buffering mechanism? :/
<rz2k>
[ 3263.493] (II) MALI(0): Changing mode to 1024 768 1024 1536
<hno>
techn & rz2k posted a question about the new ioctl in arms mali driver forum at http://forums.arm.com/index.php?/topic/16220-what-is-get-ump-secure-id-buf2-ioctl/
<techn>
thanks
<hno>
Hmm... probably should update my gravatar.. don't quite look like me any more.
<mnemoc>
techn: have you been able to research into `fbset` support? 720p on the 1366x768 atrix lapdock really tires the eyes fast
<techn>
mnemoc: it's bit tricky.. but works somehow..
<techn>
RaYmAn: it could be i2c, but could not be ;)
<techn>
somekind hack it seems
<RaYmAn>
hm
<RaYmAn>
I can't rule out it's just tegra that exposes it as I2C.
<RaYmAn>
"The channel for transmitting the EDID from the display to the graphics card is usually the I²C bus, defined in DDC2B (DDC1 used a different serial format which never gained popularity)."
<techn>
could we create wrapper for that, so it looks like i2c for kernel? or should we use "firmware-edid", which I havent havent had time to study
<RaYmAn>
it's pretty damn hard to figure out what it does based on that code :/
<RaYmAn>
lol
<RaYmAn>
HDMI_WUINT32( 0x540,(0<<12) + (3<<8));//enable analog sda/scl pad
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<RaYmAn>
sda/scl sounds like i2c
<techn>
yep.. but why it won't show on i2c bus?
<techn>
or should it have driver to be shown there?' (i2c-detect)
<RaYmAn>
presumably they aren't exposing it as an i2c bus
<RaYmAn>
it needs a driver that exposes it, yes
<techn>
ah.. ok
<RaYmAn>
I guess it's unlikely the docs includea nything on this
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<RaYmAn>
techn: looking at the i2c-sunxi.c driver, I'd say it looks like it's HDMI, just at a different (HDMI-specific) base register address
<hno>
The EDID line is wired on Mele HDMI port at least. And there is plenty of EDID references in the driver.
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<hno>
drivers/video/sunxi/hdmi/aw/hdmi_edid.c is the driver. Plenty of hardcoded constants accessing unknown registers.
<hno>
all by numeric offset..
<RaYmAn>
yes, techn just posted a link to that :)
<RaYmAn>
The register accesses seem to (at first glance) correspond with how the sunxi-i2c driver does I2C communication.
<techn>
RaYmAn: so is it different master?
<hno>
it is possible it's actually accessing an i2c controller. Need to check the register offset.
<RaYmAn>
techn: that's my theory anyhow :P
<techn>
hno: offset is hdmi's
<hno>
right, it is.
<hno>
a hdmi controller register.
<hno>
wonder which pin it goes to.
<RaYmAn>
wth is firmware-edid?
* RaYmAn
pokes techn
<RaYmAn>
I suspect it's mostly an x86 thing?
<hno>
where did you find it?
<techn>
This enables access to the EDID transferred from the firmware. On the i386, this is from the Video BIOS. Enable this if DDC/I2C transfers do not work for your driver and if you are using nvidiafb, i810fb or savagefb.