<mnemoc>
the need or not need of an early userspace mostly depends on what the chosen userspace's init expects to find and if your kernel has the enough modules built in to be able to find your root partition or not
<hno>
cheng, uInitrd is not needed unless you want it. Depends on what modules you build in kernel and where you have the root (i.e. a rescue boot usually have the root in an initrd)
<hno>
for a SoC you usually hae everything needed for finding the root built-in to the kernel not as modules.
<mnemoc>
and that's why the dependency of sunxi-disp in ump is awful as hell
<cheng>
so as long as kernel have driver to internal nand flash or sd-card (that contain root file system), initrd will not require?
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<mnemoc>
correct
<mnemoc>
and the filesystem driver
<hno>
mnemoc, you don't need disp to find the root.
<mnemoc>
hno: you need it to see something on the screen... like a boot log ;-)
<mnemoc>
having fbcon makes me greedy
<mnemoc>
no penguin no joy
* hno
prefers uart. Can't copy-paste from fbcon.
<mnemoc>
true
<mnemoc>
hno: btw, what is your opinion regarding a dedicated ML for linux/uboot/cedarX/... on sunxi?
<mnemoc>
for patches and tech discussions.... not sure if it's me... but arm-netbook's list feels like a totally wrong place for that
<RaYmAn>
it probably wouldn't be bad to have a dedicated patch discussion list
<hipboi>
hno: i just noticed your post in u-boot ml
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<hipboi>
i want a ML to review patches
<hipboi>
there is never code review in allwinner
<Marex>
hno: you can! ;-)
<Marex>
hno: you can dump the framebuffer via jtag ;-)
<cat_x301>
hipboi: +1 to ML
<Marex>
hipboi: for U-Boot patches, just submit through the U-Boot ML
<lundman>
hmm
<Marex>
hipboi: I said it already and I'll say it again ... Cc me, I'll rip you to shreds ;-)
<lundman>
yu have seen the wiki for u-boot patches, and the patch check script?
<Marex>
but we'll forge then in a bit
<Marex>
lundman: checkpatch.pl
<lundman>
great, great
<Marex>
lundman: but wiki is really crap, just submit them, don't hesitate
<lundman>
well, if you search for my name on the ML, you'll see my journey :)
<hipboi>
Marex: i think hno should be the better person to submit the patches to the u-boot ML
<cat_x301>
Marex: it would be good to have internal pre-review+signoff before spamming upstream ;)
<hipboi>
i think so
<grevaillot>
gerrit :) ?
<Marex>
cat_x301: just send it upstream
<Marex>
cat_x301: I'm glad you're so considerate, but we're really used to people spamming us with crap patches
<hipboi>
: D
<cat_x301>
Marex: :)
<Marex>
lundman: on the u-boot ml ?
<hipboi>
lundman has contributed the zfs in u-boot
<lundman>
yep, its ok, it was accepted in the end, pleased
<Marex>
hipboi: there's nothing to worry about, some people can be a bit more into the technical part and omit the human part, but you'll get used to it
<Marex>
lundman: zfs ?!
<lundman>
zfs!
<Marex>
oh man, now I see it
<Marex>
I was involved iirc
<lundman>
its the 21st century, nobody should have to make do with something less than zfs
<Marex>
heh
<lundman>
mind you, nobody shoul dhave to starve
<lundman>
you were yep :)
<hipboi>
time for dinner
<Marex>
lundman: yea ... sorry 'bout that, we're a bit congested with the patches that don't belong to any subsystem maintainer ... and we don't have FS maintainer now ;/
<Marex>
hipboi: bon appetit, I just had a breakfast :p
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<lundman>
it doesn't matter if it goes through in the end. Compared to the mplayer guys who have never accepted patches
<lundman>
even after you remove spaces from the end of lines :)
<lundman>
anyone here looked at IPTV, LIME / ITU-T H.762, ipv6 multicast etc?
<Marex>
lundman: it is actually a problem, because our patchwork backlog is growing
<lundman>
wondering if I should work on an android client for it
<Marex>
lundman: the arm part isn't usually a problem, everything's fine there ... it's the general plumbing part etc
<lundman>
yeah, the number of patches you get every day is impressive
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<Marex>
lundman: the horrible part will be the driver model that's landing now
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<hno>
Marex, it's fine to flame me if I haven't gotten to submit core support by the end of the month.
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<lundman>
ooh sweet, lets plan that
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<Marex>
hno: ;-)
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<CIA-123>
rhombus-tech: Yo master * r6846935c26dd /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn:
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<CIA-123>
rhombus-tech: Anton master * rbc6130e7347b /allwinner_a10/orders/x09.mdwn:
<CIA-123>
rhombus-tech: Anton master * ra751a2222c0e /allwinner_a10/orders/x09.mdwn:
* cat1
is disappointed by github.. very, very much..
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<mnemoc>
cat1: me too.... that's why I agree with the need of a ML
<steev>
but it's the only repo public that i could find that had a comment in a pull req
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<RaYmAn>
yeah, comments on pull requests are quite good
<RaYmAn>
gerrit is crappy comparatively
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<cat_x301>
RaYmAn: i today had bad experience with github in such a way that i could not create pull request: github simply exited with error once i attempt to select some other desitnation but origin.
<cat_x301>
RaYmAn: i might be doing something wrong, dunno.
* cat_x301
still believes that nothing is better than old plain ML :)
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<cat_x301>
but sure, certain culture should be present there as well..
* mnemoc
misses nntp and usenet
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<rz2k>
damn, my last uSD died in my mele a2000.
<rz2k>
:/
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<mnemoc>
hno: btw, I forgot to tell you the sunxi branch is working well in my boards
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<mnemoc>
but... are you sure it's not read-only class 10 as mine?
<Turl>
the class rating is on write
<Turl>
there's no "rating" on read speeds
<mnemoc>
if they aren't using chinese marketing
<Turl>
it's amazon
<Turl>
I doubt they'd do something that stupid
<Turl>
:)
<mnemoc>
*cough*
<Turl>
they could get sued..
* mnemoc
trying to buy it
<mnemoc>
Important Message
<mnemoc>
AmazonBasics SDHC Class 10 16 GB Secure Digital Card cannot be shipped to the selected address.
<mnemoc>
f* USA
<traeak>
heh
<Turl>
you can have an USA buddy buy it and ship on a good ole envelope :p
<mnemoc>
amazon.de would sell it to me for 13,61E...
<mnemoc>
still better than the 40E local
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<hno>
mnemoc, thanks for testing.
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<CIA-123>
rhombus-tech: Adrian master * r092075fe2aa4 /allwinner_a10/hackberry.mdwn:
<CIA-123>
rhombus-tech: Adrian master * rd79ef52fbe66 /allwinner_a10/hackberry.mdwn:
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<RaYmAn>
turl: lies. theres no industry agreement on whether its read or write speed. reputable companies use write though
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<jelly-home>
RaYmAn: wikipedia says otherwise. The SD Association defines standard speed classes indicating minimum performance to record video. Both read and write speeds must exceed the specified value. These are defined in terms of suitability for different applications:[39]
<CIA-123>
rhombus-tech: Adrian master * r239153abe83f /allwinner_a10/hackberry.mdwn:
<CIA-123>
rhombus-tech: Patrick master * r4300ed768efd /allwinner_a10/hackberry/discussion.mdwn:
<specing>
I doubt the chinese care about the association :D
<mnemoc>
if they can redefine CE as "Chinese Export"...
<specing>
:D
<ManoftheSea>
what's read or write? The SD card class?
<ManoftheSea>
I thought it was specified.
<jelly-home>
it is. The answer is "both"
<ManoftheSea>
oh yeah, jelly-home says it right there.
* ManoftheSea
goes back to being dead.
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<RaYmAn>
jelly-home: interestingly, the site it links to says it's minimum writing performance.
<RaYmAn>
incidentally, it seems it wasn't defined till version 2 of the specification
<RaYmAn>
before that it was manufacturers doing what the hell they wanted
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<techn>
anyone tried default sun5i config with tablet?
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<mnemoc>
techn: a13_defconfig works on the a13-olinuxino, not sure what config RaYmAn uses on his tablet
<techn>
I'm trying with MID a13 tabled.. got just color bars on screen
<mnemoc>
techn: btw, are you subscribed to the arm-netbook list?
<mnemoc>
uh
<techn>
but noticed then that kernel codes was 1 month old
<techn>
mnemoc: no.. but reading from html server :)
<RaYmAn>
techn: that's what I was getting as well. It changes if I use an android recovery however - that sets the framebuffer to graphics mode and displays stuff vaguely correctly
<techn>
btw. I proposed for that cedar guy that problem could be with configuration
<RaYmAn>
I haven't gotten android or X11 going with open kernel yet
<mnemoc>
techn: ... private reply?
<techn>
mnemoc: yes
<mnemoc>
evil
<techn>
:)
<techn>
I'll subscribe now :P
<mnemoc>
thanks :)
<techn>
Awaiting moderator approval :)
<mnemoc>
doh
<techn>
latest codes shows only black screen :(
<mnemoc>
uhm...
<mnemoc>
sunxi-disp built-in?
<techn>
yep
<Turl>
and hdmi and lcd built in too techn?
<techn>
yep
<mnemoc>
hdmi??
<Turl>
checked script.bin default output?
<techn>
yep :)
<mnemoc>
that might be a bad idea on a a13 tab
<techn>
script.bin is original from original firmware
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<techn>
[hdmi_para]
<techn>
hdmi_used = 0
<Turl>
try disabling the LYCHEE_HDMI thingy as mnemoc said