mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
<Marex> debianin: you know what 'to knit' means, right ?
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<debianin> Marex, no, let me see a web translator...
<debianin> ah ok, now i understrand
<debianin> i hope, at least.
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<Marex> debianin: :D
<Marex> debianin: sorry, I'm fighting dcache-dma combo here ... far from funny
<Marex> it's driving me nuts quickly
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<debianin> Marex, are you fighting with ptototype of cubieboard?
<debianin> what distro?
<debianin> what means USB OTG "on the go"?
<Marex> debianin: no no ... of course not
<debianin> hardware seems powerfull, but lack info about software ,supported distros and so on.
<Marex> debianin: I dunno man ... allwiener doesn't let anyone produce proper software (even the NDAed datasheet is crap)
<debianin> mmm if no debina /ubunto allowed, than cubieboard is not for me at all.
<debianin> debian/ubuntu
<Marex> debianin: system software, not userland goo ...
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<debianin> Marex, ? what you mean?
<Marex> debianin: bootloader and kernel ... to make those proper, you need documentation to the chip and schematics to the board
<debianin> as far as i read, developers are coing to public project and schematic, isnt it?
<debianin> also rpi has a closed driver/firmware, but all other info are avaiable, so debina can run on it.
<debianin> debian*
<Marex> debianin: it's more about the kernel I'm concerned ... if you're forced to use some ancient hackish crap, your userland will gradually become incompatible with it
<debianin> so? it will be cibie board "open" and "free" for real ot it is only a crap hype?
<Marex> debianin: we'll see when it arrives
<Marex> but until allwiener figures out that opening docs is _the_ way to go ... it'll all be crap
<debianin> so let be patient and wait: the future wll anwser to us.
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<Turl> have you guys seen the webOS release? :)
<Turl> the mobile one is based on OpenEmbedded I'm reading
<Marex> Turl: yes
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<captainigloo> and one mele a1000 ordered ! i'm nan happy guy :)
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<TomNL> i was wondering. i thought nobody succeeded in getting mali x11 driver running..then i came accross this
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<TomNL> would this mean HW accell in X11?
<Marex> TomNL: try it
<Marex> hno: so how's it going ?
<Marex> btw why can't we use the 3.0.3x kernel on the MK802 but have to stick with the ancient crap ?
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<TomNL> hehe i am gonna try it...but have to see if it runs on mele
<Marex> the chip's the same in all of those
<Marex> I wonder, is it possible to rebuild that cyanogen mod for MK802 from Chris Troy ?
<Marex> I have rough idea how to get and rebuild the tree, yet maybe I'm missing something important -- like I might need to do some postprocessing or something ?
<RaYmAn> given the mk802 has very little unique hardware mostly everything should work with any CM tree for allwinner devices.
<RaYmAn> TomNL: it kind of looks like he's at the same point everyone else is at.. X starts up, but beyond that not much...
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<Marex> RaYmAn: then there must have been some reason why the old kernel was used
<Turl> mk802 had broken AXP/CPUFreq last I heard
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<Marex> Turl: AXP ?
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<Quarx> Turl: cm10 ready:) almost all bugs fixed.
<Turl> Marex: power regulator
<Marex> Quarx: wasn't it the cedarX that didn't work ?
<Turl> Quarx: nice :)
<Marex> Turl: I see ... can that be somehow fixed ?
<Turl> Quarx: with #ifdef? :)
<Quarx> Marex: cedarX works fine. hdmi + sound too
<Turl> Marex: I guess? :) nobody with an mk802 has cared to fix it so far afaik
<Quarx> Turl: nope :p i cleanup many a10 code, like tv plug
<Marex> did that "Chris Troy" gave up on this?
<TomNL> quarx: looking forward to cm10 :D
<Marex> Quarx: did you take over or something ?
<TomNL> quarx: what kind of bugs are left?
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<Quarx> TomNL: ethernet support.. and i don't know more problems.... ethernet can be easy added too (i'm not tried add it for now)
<Quarx> OTG works
<Marex> Quarx: oh ok
<TomNL> cool :)
<Marex> Quarx: do you happen to have build instructions ? I know how to fetch the code, compile it ... is any postproc needed ?
<Quarx> replace boot.img and modules
<Quarx> i'm still use old kernel 3.0.8 not from sources (from ainol)
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<Quarx> my tablet hates our sources of kernel
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<Marex> Quarx: that's all ?
<Quarx> and maybe update-script, if your tablet have different partitions
<Marex> Quarx: that mk802 is some toy connected to tv
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<Quarx> Marex: video?
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<Marex> Quarx: what about it? Yes, it's a hdmi output to connect to tv
<Quarx> hdmi works:)
<Quarx> to tv too
<Marex> Quarx: that's nice :)
<Marex> does anyone actually roll out any official releases of CM ?
<Marex> or semi-official ?
<Marex> if not, oh well ... I might as well let it running overnight and see the result
<rzk> Quarx: tried running your JB on A13?
<Quarx> rzk:i don't have a13
<rzk> hno and olimex guys are working on A13 olinuxino, they could use your help. also I have a13 cheapo-tablet and I thought about trying to build up sources from allwinnerwk git, they seem to have updated JB for a10/13
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<mnemoc> rzk: Turl has JB running on A10, but no cedarx support because of api incompatibilities in the libraries
<rzk> quarx says that he resolved issues with cedar
* rzk writing a13-mid page for wiki
<mnemoc> ice
<mnemoc> nice*
<mnemoc> uh, the zatab reviewed on linux journal
<RaYmAn> url?
<Turl> this new templates thingie for LO is good
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<RaYmAn> kind of unrelated, but TI is crazy... Cortex M4, 80Mhz, 256KB flash, 32KB ram - 5$... It's like a super-powered arduino but cheap as hell. https://estore.ti.com/Stellaris-LaunchPad.aspx
<RaYmAn> 32-bit ARM cpu as well. Not quite linux capable, but still ;)
<rm> RaYmAn, any estimate what they charge for international shipping?
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<RaYmAn> rm: free
<RaYmAn> I ordered two - paid 9.98$ in total including shipping to DK
<RaYmAn> wow, it has fpu + 16-bit SIMD, lol
<RaYmAn> I'm not really sure what arm revision it is
<RaYmAn> hmm, ArmV7E-M
<rm> I might order two as well
<rm> there doesn't seem to be a datasheet on the actual board
<RaYmAn> yeah
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<rm> how do you program it?
<RaYmAn> it comes with built-in jtag thingy - so you just plug it into usb, lol
<rzk> dont order that if you are not familiar with cortex-m3/4
<rm> is there an arduino-like for-dummies IDE/language? :D
<rzk> no
<RaYmAn> probably not
<RaYmAn> but C should be easy enough
<RaYmAn> with dietlib or newlib
<RaYmAn> rzk: why not? :D
<RaYmAn> It's a perfect opportunity to learn
<rm> well, if it expects people to write bare-metal level code
<RaYmAn> yeh - that's one of the reasons I ordered :)
<rzk> also we need to wait for errata for that mcu, first m4 from STM had dosen of problems
<rm> that'd be time consuming for no good reason, unless you want to do exactly this
<RaYmAn> rzk: at 5$, it's livable :)
<RaYmAn> rm: I do! :D
<rzk> one of the coolest ones was 50% perfomance drop due to asic layout error or something like that, no fixes.
<RaYmAn> lol
* RaYmAn has been using one of his tegra devices for bare metal
<RaYmAn> it's kind of hard without jtag
<RaYmAn> :P
<RaYmAn> and kind of a waste
<RaYmAn> tbh, I suspect it should be relatively easy to port arduino to it
<rm> I think it's not that bad actually
<rzk> arduino was ported to msp430 recently
<RaYmAn> nice
<rzk> called Energia
<RaYmAn> for the launchpad device or?
<rzk> yeah
<RaYmAn> nice
<rzk> for launchpad, firstone
<RaYmAn> It's kind of crazy how cheap these boards are
<rzk> thats TI marketing money going to right place
<RaYmAn> I mean, for most purposes they'll do at least the same as arduino, but at a fraction of the cost
<rm> people says TI wants to conquer the market via dumping
<rm> with these boards
<RaYmAn> yeah
<RaYmAn> it'll work i'm sure
<RaYmAn> :P
<rm> and then raise prices :D
<RaYmAn> As long as I get cheap boards I'm happy :D
<rm> I'll probably order, but closer to 25th sept
<rm> not a fan of sending money then waiting for a month for them to even ship
<RaYmAn> heh
<RaYmAn> I used money in my paypal, so whether it's sitting in my paypal account or in TI's grasp doesn't really matter much :)
<RaYmAn> (i've previously received a bunch of stuff from TI, so not worried it won't arrive or anything like that)
<rm> > For $4.30, the LaunchPad includes a development board, 2 programmable MSP430 microcontrollers, mini-USB cable, PCB connectors for expandability, external crystal for increased clock accuracy, and unrestricted software integrated development environments (IDEs)
<rm> also one of those perhaps
<RaYmAn> yeah, it's pretty cool
<RaYmAn> they are definitely trying to compete with AVR and PIC
<RaYmAn> now thye just need to make a pandaboard-like launchpad at 10$ ;)
<debianin> cubieboard seems nice, but pity no more than 2 usb ports, 3 is better, 4 the best.
<RaYmAn> that's what hubs are for
<RaYmAn> :)
<RaYmAn> I mean, it's not like they are expensive and I don't think the SoC supports more than two ports, so it would have to be a hub anyways.
<debianin> the vantage is to have not external accessories, ub is accessoryie.
<rzk> rm: we have a fail here, TI doesnt send stuff to Russia anymore.
<rzk> no c2000/stellaris launchpads for us :(
<rm> how do you know
<rm> when signing up I see it in the list of countries
<rm> ok
<rm> ECCN O.o
<rm> export control
<rm> anyways, good nite
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<Marex> RaYmAn: tegra has jtag ... well accessible too
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