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<bsdfox> Board: A10-EVB
<bsdfox> DRAM: 512 MiB
<bsdfox> NAND: 3800 MiB
<bsdfox> is there really 4gb nand onboard the a2000?
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<projectgus> do you have any reason to suspect otherwise?
<projectgus> btw, has anyone ever tried to hook up a SATA port multiplier to an allwinner a10 sata port?
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<WarheadsSE> projectgus: don't have an a10 board with populated header
<WarheadsSE> otherwise, I could have.
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<WarheadsSE> Mele A100, Arch Linux ARM, now with systemd : 15 second boot time, with 3 second uboot boot delay.
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<ZaEarl> boot from nand?
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<WarheadsSE> sd card.
<ZaEarl> sd is dog slow, 15 seconds is amazing
<WarheadsSE> and that is without going through the trouble of readahead
<WarheadsSE> looks like I am getting varying times between 15-18s
<WarheadsSE> that 3 seconds seems to be dhcp/openntpd
<WarheadsSE> could proably shave that 2-3 seconds off with a static ip.
<WarheadsSE> Considing an RPi can boot the new v6h w/ systemd in ~10 seconds
<WarheadsSE> but they don't have the longer uboot/bootloader delay
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<WarheadsSE> and my measurements are power on until login
<WarheadsSE> so mine includes that ~4 seconds of uboot.
<lundman> make it 1 second
<WarheadsSE> that, isnt going to happen :p
<WarheadsSE> I mean sure, I can reduce it. but that 3 seconds is there for the people that want to be interrupting it.
<WarheadsSE> but, with uEnv.txt & boot.scr .. wtf eh?
<lundman> you only need 1s to interrupt it :)
<lundman> its not 9600baud anymore! :)
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<WarheadsSE> I'll deal with that later
<WarheadsSE> just really updating the rootfs & checking systemd
<lundman> yep
<WarheadsSE> everything I have with new-er kernels works without much issue.
<WarheadsSE> PLX OX820 .. omfg.
<WarheadsSE> just barfs everywhere
<WarheadsSE> oh, and xxiao I've apparently lost serial on my oldest unit :p
<xxiao> WarheadsSE: you mean the lovely pogo-pro
<xxiao> ?
<WarheadsSE> yes
<WarheadsSE> my very first, bought opening day, then hacked to hell.. has now stoped all uart communication
<xxiao> either the circuit board, or the chip itself, has a shaky serial for sure
* WarheadsSE shrug
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<WarheadsSE> this thing has been beaten to a pulp
<WarheadsSE> I've gotten my money's worth from it
<xxiao> i only saw once when Rx failed to work, but that's on an alpha-chip, i.e. very first tape-out
* xxiao still has the open-case pogo-pro on the bench, not sure what to do about it, no intention to use pogoplug's software
<WarheadsSE> depends on what you _do_ want to do with it
<xxiao> i want to make a nas running whatever software i want to load
<WarheadsSE> well
<xxiao> just pulled out a mini-itx via epia 10000 i buit 7 years ago and it runs fine, but the fan is noisy
<WarheadsSE> in NAND?
<xxiao> you mentioned you're booting from SATA...which takes priority on other boot options
<WarheadsSE> that how the BOM works, yes
<xxiao> i still need change bootargs under u-boot right?
<xxiao> i can ssh to pogoplug's own linux, do a fw_setenv there, reboot to SATA ...
<WarheadsSE> or, skip that entirely
<xxiao> did a quick look at arch arm linux's instructions
<xxiao> your script kind of covers that i think
<WarheadsSE> there is some magic you can do to the sata (stage0 boot code & uboot on sata), and bypass the NAND en-masse
<xxiao> you mean put stage0 to SATA?
<WarheadsSE> Yeah.. I have a forum thread that has all that.
<xxiao> if the chip's bootrom always try SATA first, then it's do-able for sure
<WarheadsSE> yeah
<xxiao> sound interesting, i need that thread...
<WarheadsSE> The pure sata boot method takes precidence in the BROM
<xxiao> how do you supply power to your SATA?
<WarheadsSE> me? eSATA dock
<xxiao> don't want to have a big ugly ATM-power sit nearby
<xxiao> ATX
<WarheadsSE> others - USB rigged to a SSD
<xxiao> thanks for the link, definitely want to try that
<xxiao> usb-rigged-to-SSD, i'm fine to buy a 60GB SSD for this, what do you mean by usb-SSD?
<xxiao> i have a thermaltake dock here but it's usb only
<WarheadsSE> There is example of usb-powered SSD
<WarheadsSE> they basically pulled the 5VDC rails out of a usb cord
<xxiao> i'm searching a eSATA stick
<xxiao> something like 16GB, one end eSATA, another end USB
<xxiao> i can use the USB port to burn images to it, while the eSATA side for pogo
<WarheadsSE> interesting
<WarheadsSE> remember, eSATA ~= eSATAp
<WarheadsSE> you've got to provide the power from somewhere.
<lundman> yeah
<lundman> worst design ever
<lundman> no wonder every damned hdd case is usb these days
<WarheadsSE> get one of these, go to town .. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820250058
<bsdfox> should I not be using armhf on a10?
<WarheadsSE> bsdfox: only matters atm if you want cedar
<xxiao> the esata-usb-stick somehow has EOL
<bsdfox> not sure if I want cedar?
<xxiao> from the picture it seems self-powered, not sure how it does that with eSATA
<bsdfox> whatever config performs the best
<xxiao> bsdfox: unless you have lots of floating point calculations i was told armhf does not buy much performance
<WarheadsSE> eSATA doesnt have power.
<xxiao> WarheadsSE: the SLC is neat, should be used in all serious embedded devices, but i need an adapter to make that standard SATA to eSATA?
<WarheadsSE> yeah.. I have a startech
<xxiao> it's EOL, seems like it's self-powered
<WarheadsSE> you've seen my G+ album, yes?
<xxiao> not really
<xxiao> give me a link for me to circle :0
<WarheadsSE> "or laptop with powered eSATA port"
<WarheadsSE> that means eSATAp
<xxiao> u r right
<xxiao> i don't think pogo does that
<WarheadsSE> ...
<WarheadsSE> No.
<WarheadsSE> xxiao: that embedded/industrial, can run on ~ .2A, well with the USB power output.
<WarheadsSE> just have to hack up a sata power cable and tap the 5VDC rail to a USB port.
<WarheadsSE> it would even fit inside the device nicely.
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<xxiao> i'm going to buy this usb3+esata one for now
<xxiao> will still put arch-linux to a usb and uuid-boot it, if something went wrong then i will always have SATA to the rescue, due to broken serial
<xxiao> would rather use eSATA as a storage device instead of an OS device, these two should be separated for NAS
<WarheadsSE> cooling fan is new
<WarheadsSE> just know that occasionally they make the BROM mad, and don't work
<WarheadsSE> i have this hooked up to mine http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153071
<WarheadsSE> except with the esata
<xxiao> i almost bought that one, then realized i could get a usb3 one with $10 more
<WarheadsSE> w/ a fan
<WarheadsSE> interesting
<WarheadsSE> nvm that ^
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<xxiao> why that fan?
<xxiao> i am going to cut it off
<xxiao> most docking does not have that fan
<xxiao> some enclosure has it, but this is an open air installation
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<cat_x301> morning; can anyone recommend chip (no more than $70) tablet with HDMI output? Sure I can search, but would like to hear first hand experience :)
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<mnemoc> cat_x301: I doubt you can find such thing yet
<cat_x301> mnemoc: i remember seeing something that was offered for 45$, but did not risk to order
<mnemoc> the cortex-a5 with hdmi tabs aren't that cheap yet, and allwinner-a13 ones don't have hdmi
<mnemoc> unless you search for arm11 devices...
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<cat_x301> allright. btw, how are things with linux-sunxi-3.4, haven't seen any updates there recently.
* cat_x301 is a bit offline these days..
<mnemoc> personally I haven't have much "spare" time... there are some commit in 3.0 to merge, and then sync with the latest 3.4.x ... was going to try to implement pinctrl next
<mnemoc> since 3.7 pinctrl and multiplatform support will be required
<mnemoc> but beside having earlyprint the most important bit of the core is the pio support, and these days that means pinctrl
<mnemoc> cat_x301: did you make your 3.6 using cherrypicks? is it available?
<cat_x301> mnemoc: it is available but i did not merge display and gpu.
<cat_x301> mnemoc: wrt mali - i was not sure whether to take 3p1 or 3p0
<cat_x301> mnemoc: sorry, i have asked this already but now forgotten: which branch would be a candidate for cherry picking for disaply and co
<cat_x301> s/disaply/display
<cat_x301> mnemoc: is next_mali good enough?
<mnemoc> no
<mnemoc> stick with `linux-sunxi-3.4` as base for 3.6 forwarding
<mnemoc> once next_mali actually gives something it will be merged to 3.0-v2, and then forwarded to linux-sunxi-3.4
<mnemoc> but at the moment it's still wip/experimental
<mnemoc> cat_x301: url to your 3.6?
<cat_x301> mnemoc: git@github.com:polarcat/linux-allwinner.git branch sunxi
<mnemoc> neat, thanks
<cat_x301> mnemoc: i haven't done any testing there since last merge from linus tree, so be aware!
<mnemoc> ok
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<cat_x301> mnemoc: btw, stupid question, but which way you usually do forwarding: take new kernel and do cherry-picking/merging, or vice versa -- old kernel as base and then cherry pick from upstream?
<mnemoc> I use some scripts to cherry pick from the old branch into the new: http://dpaste.com/803443/ <---- start.sh..... and next.sh http://dpaste.com/803444/
<mnemoc> FROM/TO in start.sh define the range of commits
<mnemoc> I usually do a "refenrece" branch which is the merge of all not-sunxi. upstream-3.4 + latest 3.4.x in the 3.4 case
<mnemoc> and use that as FROM
<mnemoc> upstream-android-3.4 I mean
<mnemoc> it's a sort of "poor-man stacked git"
<mnemoc> but for 3.6+ i would really prefer to stick with the bare core and leave real-life (with drivers) in 3.0/3.4 until it gets polished
<mnemoc> polished = unified drivers, pending bugs fixed, and mali integration working
<cat_x301> mnemoc: the bare core -- mach stuff?
<mnemoc> yes
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<mnemoc> and forward that part to the current arm-soc requirements. DT/pinctrl/gpiolib/multiplatform
<cat_x301> mnemoc: yeah, this is good plan. I was thinking of starting sort of polishing for mach-sunxi, but lack of knowledge and experinence prevented me from that.
<mnemoc> (fortunatelly pinctrl brings gpiolib for free)
<cat_x301> mnemoc: did anyone start to work on DT for sunxi?
<mnemoc> cat_x301: in "multiplatform arm-soc" mach-foo is almost empty :|
<mnemoc> not that i know
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<mnemoc> personally I don't even know how to map sunxi configuration/flexibility to DT yet.... that's why I wanted to start win pinctrl instead of DT
<mnemoc> but i can't until the weekend
<mnemoc> will update the 3.4 branch today
<cat_x301> mnemoc: if i would know what to do about pinctl :)
<RaYmAn> I agree pinctrl/gpiolib is a better starting point - DT isn't much use if you can't setup pins in it :P
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> cat_x301: 3.4 needs help deperately too. specially usb gadget
<mnemoc> :)
<cat_x301> mnemoc: what about display, does it work already?
<mnemoc> disp, sure
<cat_x301> mnemoc: in 3.4?
<mnemoc> afaik yes
<mnemoc> at least I got fbcon once :p
<cat_x301> need to try again. last time i saw issues with it.
* cat_x301 also needs to fix gentoo broken deps first..
<cat_x301> i somewhat managed to get my system out of control :)
<mnemoc> don't forget http://linux-sunxi.org/Gentoo :)
<cat_x301> mnemoc: i am talking about my host, not target ;)
<mnemoc> ah, ok
<cat_x301> mnemoc: but there should be http://linux-sunxi.org/Mer ;)
<mnemoc> :D
<RaYmAn> I think wayland would be interesting
<RaYmAn> xbmc proved that opengles on fb worked so that suddenly makes it very interesting :D
<RaYmAn> (e.g. without X)
<lundman> wooo
<lundman> dont want to use X
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: oh, didn't know that was an option
<RaYmAn> mnemoc: wayland is really intended to run without X
<mnemoc> thought mali was x11 bound
<RaYmAn> apparently not
<mnemoc> not about wayland, about mali/fb on sunxi
<RaYmAn> I got uhm, whats-his-name to test using a customized es2_info
<cat_x301> lundman: do you know if wayland supports multi-head mode? (xinerama alike)
<mnemoc> cat_x301: greedy
<RaYmAn> and it was showing that it used the mali drivers
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: amazing
<RaYmAn> there are X servers that can run as wayland clients I think
<mnemoc> cat_x301: let's focus in getting one head working first please :p
<mnemoc> drivers probably need love to support a second
<lundman> uh
<cat_x301> mnemoc: yeah, a bit ahead of time, sorry :D
<RaYmAn> one could start with getting fb support for dual-head :P
<mnemoc> lcd + hdmi on any tablet, sure
<cat_x301> RaYmAn: i think one would need 2 fbs
<lundman> why do you need to watch two movies at the same time :)
<lundman> so we have a xbmc/fb to test ?
<RaYmAn> cat_x301: I agree
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<mnemoc> and big cleanup of the disp drivers to remove statics
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<mnemoc> cat_x301: A10 (with hdmi) for <$70
<RaYmAn> mnemoc: does lcd + hdmi work now?
<RaYmAn> or does it just clone?
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: i doubt you can even have both enabled at the same time currently
<mnemoc> but should be possible
<RaYmAn> but yeah - not that important :P
<RaYmAn> also, opengles2 just requires an EGL implementation that can create a window without x to run straight on fb
<mnemoc> cat_x301: if you pick "brown or silver" it falls to $53
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: E17 supports GL and fb...
<RaYmAn> anyone have that link for the xbmc?
<RaYmAn> mnemoc: GLES?
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: I think so
<RaYmAn> ah, yeah -that was it
<RaYmAn> couldn't find it on arm-netbook mailing list
<mnemoc> last commit include all the a10 related stuff
<mnemoc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5-Prx19ZM <--- amazing ad from samsung mocking apple fanboys :p
<andoma> the GL libs to run opengl directly on the FB .. where can I find those?
<RaYmAn> i guess they are in the lubuntu image he mentions
<andoma> yeah probably
<cat_x301> mnemoc: looks as decent tablet!
<RaYmAn> i dont think anyone has redone it yet
<mnemoc> http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400#r2p4 only has a link for armhf bins... and to use cedarx they need to be armel^Warmv4
<mnemoc> if you extract them from the image, please add it to the wiki page
<mnemoc> cat_x301: very good for the price, and you get the same SoC we are hacking ;-)
<cat_x301> mnemoc: very true!
<andoma> mnemoc: will do .. i might have a stab at it tonight
<mnemoc> andoma: great!
<andoma> ftr i'm the lead dev of a mediaplayer called showtime (http://www.lonelycoder.com/showtime/) and i was thinking of getting it running on my mk802 (preferrably without X)
<mnemoc> hope he makes bindings to something others can use too, like gst, ffmpeg or libva
* mnemoc hates player-specific bindings
<lundman> empatzero has no binary to quick test? if he needs space for downloads I can help
<RaYmAn> he mentions he uses armel opengl libraries from https://github.com/cnxsoft/a10-bin
<mnemoc> and which cedarx libs exactly?
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<RaYmAn> no idea
<RaYmAn> I'm only really interested in the opengles part of it
<mnemoc> :)
<RaYmAn> but it does sound like any glibc gl libraries would work
<lundman> there is a depend file in git
<lundman> sigh, wget from dropbox.. yuck.. if he wants, I can provide storage
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<merbanan> mnemoc: his xbmc patch has a script to download some cedarx libs
<mnemoc> merbanan: ah, nice
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<specing> Erm
<specing> Olimex is selling over farnell too?
* specing just got an imx olinuxino advert in his mailbox
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<mnemoc> :)
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<naguirre> mnemoc: did you tried e17 with the a10 ?
<naguirre> btw e17 doesn't support fb
<naguirre> EFL does, but e17 is the wm
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<mnemoc> haven't tried, but considering e17 uses EFL, shouldn't that give it fb support for free?
<naguirre> e17 deal with X
<mnemoc> ah, ok
<mnemoc> i thought ...edge? would abstract that for it
<mnemoc> evas
<naguirre> you mean edje ? edje is the theme engine
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<mnemoc> too many esomething names, got confused
<mnemoc> s/edge/evas/ :)
<naguirre> evas works with gles, x11, gl_x11, gl_cocoa
<naguirre> and even widnows stuff (direct draw and gdi)
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<naguirre> evas only display pixels
<naguirre> it's the canvas enfine
<naguirre> if you wan to create a window you need ecore
<naguirre> and ecore deel with fb, x11, win32, cocoa
<naguirre> and wayland
<mnemoc> nice :)
<naguirre> but e17 uses ecore_x, for windows management
<naguirre> do you can have e17 on top of fb
<naguirre> s/do/so
<mnemoc> using x11/fb in the middle
<naguirre> but efl apps works fine in both env
<naguirre> actually i tried elementary on A10 with with fb only and it works fine
<naguirre> it would be better with gles tough
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<naguirre> xbmc works on a10 + linux with this repo ? https://github.com/empatzero/xbmca10/
<naguirre> a10 + linux + x11 + gles ?
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<phh> not x11
<phh> but yes
<naguirre> hum, so gles + fb ?
<phh> yes
<phh> hum
<phh> i'm not totally sure it's fb
<naguirre> ah maybe with sdl
<phh> well sdl has to access to something
<phh> usually it's x11
<CIA-15> rhombus-tech: wzdd master * r8c0df9939640 /allwinner_a10/orders/wzdd_.mdwn:
<CIA-15> rhombus-tech: wzdd master * r8d1b8e869158 /allwinner_a10/orders/wzdd_.mdwn:
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<WarheadsSE> cute
<RaYmAn> I checked the source/includes, and it seems that ARM is explicitly providing the ability to run on fbdev
<CIA-15> rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r7a7ddb4cb48a / (allwinner_a10.mdwn allwinner_a10/source_code.mdwn): add G2D link
<WarheadsSE> I should be getting back to this next week, which will be good
<mnemoc> :)
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<Turl> anyone in need of 0.99USD com/net/org? https://twitter.com/Namecheap/statuses/248471361780060160
<mnemoc> uh
<RaYmAn> are namecheap any good?
<Turl> they were voted best on lifehacker
<RaYmAn> when?
<RaYmAn> :P
<Turl> this same month :P
<Turl> I have one domain with them, so far no issues
<mnemoc> $1 first year, $15 after that and $30 for transfering :p
<Turl> in any case, 1+15=16
<Turl> but I doubt they'll want 15 :P
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> registrars always manage to screw you :<
<Turl> godaddy is the king when it comes to that
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* WarheadsSE has 3 domains on namecheap
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<mnemoc> WarheadsSE: how long?
<mnemoc> i'm sick of 1&1
<WarheadsSE> mnemoc: eh, 6 years?
<mnemoc> sounds good :)
<WarheadsSE> added on recently with their last $0.99USD promotion
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<empat0> lundman: my reply got stucked in spam filter?
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<Marex> specing: imx olinuxino ? you mean mxs, no ?
<Marex> hno: hey, how's the upstream push prep going ?
<mnemoc> imx233
<Marex> that's mxs ;-)
<Marex> mx-sigmatel
<mnemoc> :)
<Marex> imx == mx freescale
<mnemoc> uh
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<CIA-15> rhombus-tech: wzdd master * r21de5e7edf82 /allwinner_a10/orders/wzdd_.mdwn:
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<naguirre> and i'm wondering if there is a recovery process for the mele
<mnemoc> sure, you can always boot from SD or FEL (usb) and "unbrick" it
<naguirre> yes byt without SD or usb ?
<naguirre> i'm thinking about a way to unbrick from another nand partition
<naguirre> i mean i have one
<naguirre> system
<mnemoc> usually that done with "dual booting"
<naguirre> and another with recovery
<naguirre> yes but there is a button or something to boot to the second system ?
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<naguirre> or to tell the bootloader to swith on the recovery partition
<mnemoc> the stock bootloader knows to read buttons to choose what to boot
<mnemoc> but not the open uboot
<mnemoc> he wants something more human-friendly
<naguirre> yeah :)
<naguirre> and without ssd
<naguirre> sd
<naguirre> or usb
<mnemoc> naguirre: assuming you are aiming at using the open source boot chain, you would need to add support to uboot to read the buttons
<cde> if u-boot works then it's not bricked
<naguirre> ah so there is a button :)
<naguirre> cde: no bricked in usual way, in user way, i mean if something goes wronf during update
<naguirre> i wnat a way to come back to production version
<naguirre> mnemoc: ok, i already to this kind of stuff in uboot
<naguirre> you are talking about the button on the right side of the mele ?
<cde> just provide a tools that creates a "factory reinstall" sd
<naguirre> i don't want to use sd card
<mnemoc> naguirre: the mele in particular only has the power button, so you do need a recovery card
<naguirre> if i understand correctly as long as the first nand sector is readable, you are able to boot something
<mnemoc> SD and FEL by pass the nand booting entirely
<mnemoc> bypass*
<hno> naguirre, mele only have a power button.
<naguirre> yep
<naguirre> ok
<naguirre> but it seems the power button doesn't work for me
<naguirre> to power up i just need to plug AC power
<hno> i don't thing you can enter recovery mode with it.
<mnemoc> it's probably connected to the AXP
<naguirre> what's the AXP ?
<mnemoc> AXP209, power managemnt unit chip
<hno> that's normal. You can push the power button for 12 seconds to power off if you like. och a quick push to suspend/resume.
<naguirre> ah ok
<hno> be warned that the 12 seconds is a hard power off, pretty much equivalent to pulling the power. So don't do any operations involving I/O while doing that.
<naguirre> yep i see
<hno> phoenixcard is the official recovery for mele.
<hno> a specially prepared SD card which reflashes the device.
<hno> prepared from Android firmware image + phoenixcard tool.
<naguirre> there is IO on the mele ?
<hno> There is NAND, and plenty of USB ports where you can connect storage.
<naguirre> for example could i use Rx/Tx of the debug lines for IO ?
<hno> Sure, the "debug" lines are just an UART.
<mnemoc> naguirre: if you need GPIOs you are better off with an a10/a13-olinuxino or a cubieboard
<hno> if in that mode then you also have about 10 pads which can be used for various I/O functions of GPIO.
<naguirre> mnemoc: i need spdif
<naguirre> and i need rca Audio also
<naguirre> and wifi
<mnemoc> extension board maybe?
<naguirre> cubieboard is a good candidate, with an expansion board
<naguirre> but mele is finally the best choice for the price
<naguirre> i looking at olinuxino
<mnemoc> you can most probably use part of the USB OTG and UART0 headers as GPIO
<mnemoc> in the mele
<naguirre> ok, and add code in uboot to detect
<hno> for what purpose?
<naguirre> recovery :)
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<naguirre> sdcard is finally the best choice ;)
<hno> you have the u-boot console on uart0.
<naguirre> yeah i don't want to loose it
<hno> from the u-boot console you can easily boot recovery.
<naguirre> yep that not the problem, the problem is enter in this mode
<mnemoc> he wants a grandma to be able to do it
<naguirre> and i would like an external way to do so
<naguirre> haha exactly:)
<hno> then teach u-boot to read the power button is probably the best.
<hno> if you want internal recovery from recovery partition. Otherwise SD card based recovery.
<naguirre> yep
<hno> the power button is just a button unless you hold it for long.
<naguirre> ok that's good to know
<naguirre> thanks for help
<naguirre> ah and another question, there is a way to change the LED from uboot and from linux ?
<naguirre> or it's directly connected to vcc ?
<mnemoc> phoneix card based installers make it blink red
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<mnemoc> and something in the gpl violating kernel turns it blue before reaching userspace
<naguirre> gpl violating kernel :)
<mnemoc> "stock kernel" :)
<naguirre> but no classic led driver
<mnemoc> not yet
<naguirre> ok
<naguirre> and another question, what's behind nand driver ?
<naguirre> i can't see any mtd layer
<mnemoc> it's fully home grown
<hno> not sure it's home grown. But sure, it's not mtd.
<naguirre> ah :)
<naguirre> so no way to get ubi running on it
<naguirre> how it deals with bad blocks ?
<hno> exactly how is unknown, but it deos deal with bad blocks.
<hno> and do wear leveling etc.
<naguirre> ah ok fine
<RaYmAn> wear elvelling is done in the driver at least - probably most bad block handling as well
<hno> yes
<naguirre> ouch
<naguirre> ubi is so good for that
<mnemoc> tom mentioned the developers of that driver considered mtd obsolete and that's why the invented their own...
<naguirre> mtd obsolete ?
<hno> obsolete in the sense that it's not good for hosting a fat filesystem.
<naguirre> fat16 you mean ;)
<naguirre> ok :)
<naguirre> bon conclusion, pour le recovery, le plus simple reste la carte sd
<naguirre> 8h sorry :)
<hno> kan bara gissa vad du menar.
<naguirre> usb host is working in uboot ?
<hno> no
<naguirre> ok
<hno> Actually no USB driver at all in the free u-boot, but even in the allwinnerized u-boot there is only fastboot device mode implemented.
<hno> the driver do support host mode however, but not integrated in u-boot.
<naguirre> ok
<hno> exact sane druver as for the kernel, only different glue layer.
<hno> s/dru/dri/
<ibot> hno meant: exact sane driver as for the kernel, only different glue layer.
* hno can't type tonight either. Switching between two slightly different keyboards hurts.
<RaYmAn> mtd does seem kind of stale..last I checked it hardly supported any recent nand chips (including the one on a13-olinuxino)
<RaYmAn> everyone is mostly switching to eMMC, so I guess it is kind of obsolete? :P
<hno> for good reasons. Much easier to deal with a block device than NAND erase blocks.
<hno> plus that the eMMC is far more compact.
<hno> I don't see much reason why one should design for bare NAND today.
<mnemoc> job security?
<destinal> lol
<hno> Wonder if tom also prepared pads for eMMC. I think you can fit pads for SD, eMMC and NAND at the same location without too much effort.
<hno> providing choice without having to redo the PCB.
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<destinal> hno: which board are we talking about?
<mnemoc> destinal: the cubieboard
<hno> I know he prepared the board for a choice of uSD 2 or NAND.
<mnemoc> yes
<hno> mnemoc, do you remember where is those early prototype pictures are?
<mnemoc> july's prototype was published on G+... but not longer there
<hno> It's there in his blog.
<hno> Ah, limited sharing.
<hno> but NAND already mounted there. Can't tell if there is eMMC pads.
<destinal> mnemoc: ah I didn't realize tom was making his own board
<mnemoc> destinal: mine already left .hk :)
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<mnemoc> good night
<hno> Yes, good idea. Good night.
<hno> Not sure where mine is. Last status is "2012-09-19 18:27:01Posted through Sweden Post"
<RaYmAn> probably stuck in customs
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<hno> customs is within sweden post after it arrives here.
<RaYmAn> I assumed posted through sweden post meant that it had been passed on to sweden post, but I guess I might be wrong
<hno> It does, but they also include their tracking, but there is none.
<hno> I think there was similar indications when he shipped the mele so not worried yet for some days.
<hno> there is a tracking number for sweden post as well, but not recognised.
<hno> I do remember clearly that sweden post did show that the mele had arrived in Stockholm and then sat on the package for 8 days.
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