mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
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<bsdfox_> anyone got a recent mele-a1000_hwpack_2012.09.18.7z ?
<bsdfox_> I read that SATA is working lately but I can't find any to dl or get my cross compiler going
<rz2k> logs are saying that u-boot compilation dying with u-boot cant be compiled with hard-float abi
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<bsdfox_> yeah I see one from 10/9 but all the posts I see about sata working are from the last 3 days
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<ZaEarl> anyone try to build Chrome OS for A10? :)
<RaYmAn> it'll probably run quite badly without properly accelerated X11 drivers
<ZaEarl> I guess it's called Chromium OS now.
<ZaEarl> Is it using an X11 stack?
<RaYmAn> afaik, yes
<RaYmAn> I spent some time trying to get it running on my transformer prime, but lost interest before it worked =P lol
<ZaEarl> They recommend running it in VMs, so it can probably get by without much acceleration ok.
<RaYmAn> I imagine it should be possible to get it booting with fbdev X11 driver
<RaYmAn> as a start
<ZaEarl> ok, the retail product is Google Chrome OS. The open source edition is Chromium OS.
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<techn_> how come our wiki guides points to some other persons repo instead of linux-sunxi
<techn_> ah.. it's for cubieboard
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<mnemoc> those tutorials need serious cleanup
<mnemoc> it's absurd them all include info about how to install a toolchain for example
<mnemoc> techn_: i totally agree tutorials should all point to the main repos, not people of board specific forks
<mnemoc> but also be properly splitted by topic
<mnemoc> making buildroot is not cubieboard-only
<mnemoc> using livesuit is not buildroot only
<mnemoc> main problem with livesuit support at the momemnt is that we don't have a u-boot branch that hooks correctly between boot0/boot1 and our kernel
<mnemoc> as we require (optional in 3.0, but default) the bootloader to pass proper machine type and mem info
<mnemoc> i was wondering if we should fork (and maintain) the allwinner-tools repo
<mnemoc> there is a patch for fixing the kernel driver livesuit for linux needs lingering around
<lkcl> techn_: oh. that's funny. everyone complained when i insisted that people be a bit more rigorous about the rhombus tech wiki.
<lkcl> hm
<lkcl> they didn't like that, so moved to linux-suni instead. now you're saying that linux-sunxi is disorganised. funny that.
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<mnemoc> lkcl: the reason was not organization, was scope. for RT the A10 is merely the SoC to use in the first EOMA card, linux-sunxi is 100% decided to these chips in particular
<mnemoc> lkcl: and as you did with A10-specific info we are now suffering a flood of interest bound to the cubieboard
<mnemoc> lkcl: having pages about the hackberry in RT's wiki is kind of.... weird
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<mnemoc> miniand can't have less in common with RT
<mnemoc> lkcl: the split was intended to keep eoma's wiki/mailing list from been taken over by A10 fans
<mnemoc> lkcl: btw, http://selfstarter.us/
<mnemoc> but it's ruby :|
<mnemoc> yuck
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<mnemoc> lkcl: any realistic timeframe for us to be able to fund the mini engineering eoma68 board, and open hardware a10/imx6/exynos5 card?
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<mnemoc> Turl: ping
<Maqs> what's the difference between "stage/" and non-stage?
<Turl> mnemoc: pong
<Turl> hard to beat ~30s latency on a saturday morning :P
<mnemoc> Maqs: stage has patches that will go to non-stage after tested
<Maqs> ok, thanks
<mnemoc> Turl: i want to make a "sunxi-bsp" repo, to help people build our stuff, also android's
<mnemoc> also, did you manage to test the stage branches on android?
<Turl> what would you find on this bsp repo?
<Turl> mnemoc: I didn't test stage per se, but I've been running with mali_next since like forever and I have cpufreq in the mix now too
<Turl> I'll kick a build with stage/3.0 later today though to test the display stuff
<mnemoc> submodules to the other repos, and a couple of Makefiles and scripts to do the stuff
<Turl> kick off*
<Turl> mnemoc: you cannot really intend to do android as submodules :P
<mnemoc> Turl: only it's head
<mnemoc> Turl: but anyhow, that's where I need your help :)
<mnemoc> `make zatab android` :p
<Turl> there's no head
<Turl> it's all managed by `repo'
<mnemoc> `make mele_a1000 buildroot`
<mnemoc> Turl: right, that's exactly the stuff I'll need to be able to setup via scripts
<Turl> `make reposync; make lunch zatab; make bacon' would be pretty fail
<Turl> considering it'd be wrapping make in make already :P
<mnemoc> narf
<Turl> it can be done, but it doesn't add any value imo
<mnemoc> get rid of broken ape-proof-wannabe tutorials
<Turl> hm?
<mnemoc> or at least shrink them
<Turl> ape-proof stuff would be good, but apes are too good at figuring out the best way to make stuff fail :<
<mnemoc> there are tons of tutorials of pages and pages and pages of instructions, errors and patches on which most stuff is a boilerplate we can actually get rid of
<mnemoc> meh. lunch. back in 30m
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<Xlab> Hi all. I'm trying to get /dev/fb1, but device doesn't exist. What is the current status of FB1 support in the kernel?
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<bsdfox_> who runs dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly?
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<mnemoc> cnxsoft
<mnemoc> but it would be awesome if he could hand it over to someone more active
<bsdfox_> I'd be happy to host some if I can get my cross compiler setup :)
<mnemoc> hosting is not a problem
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<mnemoc> but at this stage things change fast, and the nightly generation needs to keep the pace
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<Xlab> root@allwinner10:~# cat /dev/fb1
<Xlab> cat: read error: No such device
<Maqs> from 2012.10.10 on there are no more builds?
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<bsdfox_> Maqs, they've been failing
<Maqs> can't you just remove "-msoft-float" from PLATFORM_RELFLAGS in arch/arm/cpu/armv7/config.mk (uboot)?
<bsdfox_> Maqs, that's why I was asking who runs it :P should be an easy fix
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<mnemoc> installing gcc-multilibs solved the -msoft-float problem for me
<mnemoc> gcc-multilib
<Maqs> what's the point in installing something when you can just remove something smaller? ;-)
<mnemoc> i suppose u-boot isn't behaving well in hf and that's why soft-float is forced
<Maqs> there are a few thousand (bit exaggerated) tutorials out there telling users to remove -msoft-float :-)
<Maqs> dunno.. http://linux-sunxi.org/FirstSteps describes it like this.. i found a few other sources telling me to do that..
<mnemoc> blame libv for that one
<Maqs> libv: feel blamed, please. :-)
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> it would be nicer to split that tutorial...
<Maqs> ok, i'll go with gcc-multilib.. easier than manually removing it all the time. i'm quite lazy..
<mnemoc> me too
<mnemoc> gcc-multilib on a native armhf system obviusly
<mnemoc> when cross compiling you need to install the sf toolchain
<Maqs> but can't be long until i can tell all the objects to build a linux kernel by heart
<mnemoc> i just started a mini project to try to simply the entry, https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-bsp
<mnemoc> `make my_board` first, to get kernel and u-boot
<mnemoc> and the adding targets for some buildroot, hwpack and android
<techn_> mnemoc: cool.. :)
<techn_> make install to deploy
<mnemoc> :p
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<wingrime> mnemoc:please look at sun4i-gpio.c driver , look like /dev/sun4i-gpio not implement and all control doion over sysfs
<mnemoc> hipboi wrote that :p
<wingrime> can I cleanup /dev/sun4i-gpio from driver code ?
<mnemoc> yes
<wingrime> driver name can be replaced with sunxi-gpio ?
<mnemoc> if you can fix the read of outputs it would be awesome too :p
<wingrime> or it have some depedences
<mnemoc> wingrime: yes, but different commits please
<mnemoc> no deps
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<wingrime> fix warnings with series of patches ?
<mnemoc> nah, you can fix warnings in one patch
<mnemoc> i mean the driver rename and the driver cleanup
<wingrime> ok
<wingrime> more one
<wingrime> sun4i_gpio_dbg(x...)printk(x) can be replaced with pr_debug ?
<mnemoc> yes, please
<mnemoc> and probably pr_fmt too
<mnemoc> (for prefixing)
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* Xlab wants to talk to framebuffers guru
<mnemoc> Xlab: techn and rz2k are more into the disp driver
<mnemoc> not sure if any of them would like to be called "guru" anyway
<libv> Maqs: :)
<libv> Maqs: booting worked fine with hf, just some mmc issue i haven't tried to track down yet
<Maqs> mmc issue with hf or in general?
<Xlab> i just have a question about 2 separate framebuffers overlaying, on mali400 %)
<Xlab> i know that omap dss have this functionality
<libv> Maqs: no idea, as i haven't tried to track it down yet
<Maqs> ok
<mnemoc> Xlab: i doubt our driver supports it yet
<libv> i am now knocking myself out by carefully and nicely step-by-step trawling through the disp code
<Maqs> btw, does that version of uboot have some kind of menu support?
<mnemoc> *cough*
<Xlab> :(
<mnemoc> Xlab: it might do soon, it's the part with more devs interested in cleaning/improving
<Maqs> yay, waiting for xbmc to build.. i can't drink as much coffee as it would take to do that while waiting.. :-)
* mnemoc fallsback to green tea when the body refuses more coffee
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<Turl> who sent the fix nand warnings patch?
<mnemoc> Turl: I think it's wingrime
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<Turl> nevermind, patch makes sense now
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<wingrime> there is way to write nanda without flash all with a livesuit ?
<Quarx> wingrime: you can write only nanda via livesuite
<Turl> Quarx: not true
<Turl> you can mount and write files normally too
<wingrime> Quarx:I meet you here
<wingrime> is there any linux flash tool for fel
<mnemoc> not yet
<Turl> mnemoc: : livesuit?
<mnemoc> i assume he means open source
<Quarx> Turl: without correct nanda no way to mount partition.. or?
<mnemoc> sure, livesuit for linux should be able to do so
<wingrime> livesuit for linux *
<wingrime> ?
<wingrime> what problem send bootpayload with usb mass storage
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<wingrime> or some hand-made read/write protocol
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<libv> olimex only makes the a13 olinuxino available today, right?
<libv> ah, just a diagram has been made available so far
<mnemoc> the a13 olinuxino is on sale, a13-olinuxino mini is on prototyping, a10-olinuxino is still on design
<libv> thanks :)
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<mnemoc> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A13/ .... nice, they received the LCDs
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<Turl> way better than my current solution :P
<mnemoc> yes, those are nice :)
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<mnemoc> but obviusly more expensive than the dongles alone
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<Turl> L84Supper: we were discussing that yesterday or the day before
<L84Supper> Turl, yeah, will they keep support for developer mode in the future?
<Turl> I suppose so
<L84Supper> or will it get locked down?
<Turl> entering dev mode wipes your chromebook so there's no risk
<L84Supper> it would be nice if it stays open
<mnemoc> it has developer mode accournding to the chromium-os site
<mnemoc> some fancy dancing with the keys, but it's there
<L84Supper> mnemoc, sure, version 1, out on the streets today, how about in 6 months? or v2
<L84Supper> it still looks nice for the next year or two
<L84Supper> until the battery dies
<mnemoc> L84Supper: having both modes it's warrantied on all google chromebooks
<mnemoc> is*
<L84Supper> i wonder if there is enough space to make a larger SSD?
<mnemoc> but you'll see the scary warning on every boot
<mnemoc> L84Supper: it's emmc, not sata
<mnemoc> but having usb3 kinds of compensates that
<L84Supper> mnemoc, which bootloader are they using?
<mnemoc> uboot
<L84Supper> thats great
<L84Supper> so buy 2-3
<mnemoc> i saw in the irc channel they said they use bootcore + uboot on x86, and uboot-only on arm
<L84Supper> they hired 3 coreboot devs in the past 3 years
<mnemoc> coreboot*
<L84Supper> nice to see that they actually have kept the boot and init open
<mnemoc> afaik you can't get rid of chromeos completely, the warning screen will ask if you want to reflash it on every boot
<mnemoc> but probably someone will find a way
<mnemoc> but beside that scary warning screen, it's an open device
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<L84Supper> finally
<L84Supper> one lest thing to have to build myself :)
<mnemoc> :)
<L84Supper> guess we can shut down the channel and go home now :)
<mnemoc> hell no.
<mnemoc> not until the world is free of x86 and win8 laptops :p
<L84Supper> I did't know it was anti-x86 in here
<Turl> x86 is awful but don't kill it :<
<specing> KILL IT
<Turl> it does shit faster than the competition :P
<L84Supper> it's got a few more years
<specing> and burns 10* more power
<mnemoc> so it's harmful to mankind and the planet
<Turl> specing: but it's faster
<L84Supper> maybe if AMD glues and arm to stream processors
<mnemoc> die x86 die
<L84Supper> but they are to poorly managed to try
* mnemoc loves his e350 based laptop
<Turl> get me an i7 3770K-performant arm chip today :<
<specing> for running dumb unparalised programs? sure.
<specing> Imagine a 100+ core ARM at 1GHz
<Turl> specing: parallel programming is just a marketing hype
<Turl> everybody knows the way to go is a single thread!1
<Turl> and 64
<Turl> 0K should be enough for it
<specing> Also combining big processors with epiphany-like accelerator cores...
<Turl> that's called GPGPU :P
<Turl> and it's only useful to play crysis
<specing> No, that is called 300W environment pollution
<mnemoc> the x86 way is not single thread, it's 1000x threads sharing memory and with locks every two lines of code
<mnemoc> which ends up been worse than single threaded
<specing> 4- core ARMv8 at 2Ghz + 256+ epiphany cores in a single chip...
* mnemoc has no interest in those "epuphany" cores in grid at all
<mnemoc> but it's nice the importance they give to openness
<Turl> do they sell those watt measuring thingies on china?
<mnemoc> yes
<Turl> I'm intrigued to know how much does my desktop PC use during idle
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<mnemoc> Turl: something like that?
<Turl> mnemoc: yeah one of those thingies
<Turl> mnemoc: but with a decent connector, we don't use ":o" faces to plug stuff :P
<mnemoc> the category has 25 pages of products
<Turl> better indeed
<Turl> not sure if my curiosity is worth 50US$ though :P
<mnemoc> 50? you should find for 20
<Turl> says 25+28 shipping
<mnemoc> US plug?
<Turl> the one you linked
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<mnemoc> Turl: you use AU plug???
<specing> My laptop is probably 30-50W while running, idle or not
<specing> the power supply is so damn hot
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<mnemoc> shipping included
<Turl> mnemoc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#Argentina_IRAM_2073_.28Argentinian_10.C2.A0A.2F250.C2.A0V.29_and_compatible_types
<Turl> 23 + 31USD shipping :<
<Turl> 37 x 2 doesn't ship to .ar
<mnemoc> Turl: ask the seller, they always forget to add some countries
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<Turl> they redesigned the logo heh
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<mnemoc> Turl: not bad
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<techn_> Turl: could you add r2p4 android libs here => https://github.com/linux-sunxi/mali-libs
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<rz2k> maybe we should add mali x11 drivers with includes fixed and libump fixed for dri2 loading too?
<mnemoc> +1
<shivansps> that means working 2D acceleration?
<rz2k> 3d
<mnemoc> shivansps: mali400 doesn't do 2d
<shivansps> so it will never work for xserver?
<rz2k> 2d for x11 is done by EXA software acceleration
<mnemoc> shivansps: yes, after libv blesses us with a exa driver using g2d
<rz2k> driver is needed for DRI2 integration
<shivansps> andddd thats the good part of x86 and windows... *runs .exe* all done :P haha
<rz2k> lol
<mnemoc> seriously? you can pass *hours* installing drivers on that junk
<mnemoc> even to have very basic hardware support
<rz2k> techn_: also could you please somehow mark rel1 and rel2 and whatever revision of libs
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<shivansps> actually on x86 ive having more trouble with linux than on windows, but it depends
<rz2k> because if we will have r3p1-rel1 they will be entirely incompatible with rel0 drivers (see my messages about DRM drivers being coded by guys who apparantly have time machine)
<rz2k> also there is two revisions of r2p4..
<shivansps> it was a joke anyway haha
<rz2k> but as far as I know they are compatible with each other.
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<shivansps> oh btw, i was able to boot linux on my jz4770, but the "pisces board" u-boot configuration only see 64mb of ram :/ here is where ainol u-boots sources could come in handy
<techn_> rz2k: It could be that DRM stuff was accedently in that rel1 delivery
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<rz2k> yeah but I've tested r3p1-rel1 x11 on r3p1-rel0 libs and secure_id is failing
<rz2k> err, not secure_id, pixmap allocation
<rz2k> it gets first buffer ok, then creates framebuffer fails and shouts in log with unable to create pixmap
<rz2k> so the order of things changed somehow.
<rz2k> time to write post to their forum
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<Fab_FR> Hello there
<Fab_FR> I created a page for my A13 tablet on linux-sunxi.org
<techn_> Fab_FR: nice.. I should do same of mine
<Fab_FR> And now I will start to hunt the pins that would manage the HDMI :D
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<rz2k> there is no hdmi in a13
<mnemoc> his a13 tablet has hdmi connector :|
<rz2k> wtf
<rz2k> :/
<shivansps> i bet its a reused A10 PCB
<mnemoc> rz2k: indeed, but in capitals
<mnemoc> shivansps: that would be valid IF A10 and A13 had the same footprint
<mnemoc> but they are completely different
<shivansps> omg... i was expecting the A10 and A13 to be compatible pin to pin....
<shivansps> that HDMI n A13 works?
<mnemoc> shivansps: the a13 can even be soldered by hand
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<mnemoc> shivansps: by someone skilled enough
<Fab_FR> For the moment nope, but I'm looking for which pins could be interesting to try on
<mnemoc> shivansps: it's a completely different package, made for cheap-as-hell tablets
<shivansps> mmmm i bet that is to reduce the number of layers on the pcb
<Fab_FR> As for my PCB It has many layers I guess
<rz2k> no, both a10 and a13 can be layed out on 4layer, problem is bga fine-pitch pick and place machines
<rz2k> which china seem to lack
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<Fab_FR> On the back of my PCB is written HDSI, so... that's strange
<Fab_FR> HDSI stands for High density semiconductor interconnect?
<rz2k> also bga can be checked only with xray, when tqfp can be checked with eye sight
<shivansps> still some times i dont understand the companys... did you see the A10 netbooks? most of the does not have HDMI, none has eSATA or even a empty internal 2.5" disk bay, thats a job for the A13, not the A10... and there is not A13 netbooks, when they should compite with VIA 8650 in price...
<rz2k> I think guys who make a10 products just dont get that they can sell them.
<ZaEarl> sun6i would be awesome in a laptop
<rz2k> (...if we will have kernel sources, u-boot sources and mali libs)
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<ZaEarl> I have word from Eva that they will release the source
<mnemoc> see to believe
<ZaEarl> it's the best we have
<shivansps> i hate to say it... but Windows sells, Linux do not, sun6i need to be fully compatible with Windows RT if it has to have any chance to be sucessfull in sells for netbooks and notebooks
<shivansps> i hate windows rt/8 anyway
<shivansps> there is any info con the sun6i yet?
<ZaEarl> most likely quad-core A7 with Mali T6xx
<rz2k> ZaEarl: seriously? that the first time I hear that they dont say "this is our cool technology, we are open to requests but not for opensource"
<mnemoc> ZaEarl: nah, mali 450. ARM won't launch their 8xT6xx with a chinese manufacturer
<shivansps> but they have 2 T6xx
<ZaEarl> mnemoc, I see the 450 can handle 8 cores, so, yes, it could be that.
<mnemoc> but it's cool anyway :)
<ZaEarl> a good boost to performance, sounds good to me
<shivansps> no opengl support :(
<ZaEarl> We're going to see a lot of 2048x1536 displays. they'll need the boost.
<rz2k> shivansps: if 450 is based on 400 we have a chance
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<shivansps> just opengl es, T6xx should have the desktop OpenGL... mmmm there is 5 T6xxx now.... maybe there is a chance for a T604...
<ZaEarl> I don't see OpenGL listed on the T6xx specs. Just OpenGL ES.
<shivansps> i still hoping that to be a mistake, the mali competitos have support for DX9 and well all OpenGL
<shivansps> ARM is listing just DX11...
<shivansps> http://pastebin.com/mJtSvqh8 First boot of the JZ4770 with the CP2102, using some demo rotfs from ingenic, im gona try a debian... debootstrap should do the trick
<bsdfox> isn't DX windows only?
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