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<techn_> libv takes first couple peaces of that cake :)
<Gumboot> I want cake.
<Turl> the cake is a lie
* libv gets out his father ted DVDs for relaxing later, before sleeping
<Gumboot> Does that mean it has fewer calories?
<libv> has it got cocaine in it?
<Gumboot> I'm sure I read somewhere that cocaine is mostly ineffective if you eat it.
<libv> it's like dried grapes :)
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<libv> youtube, "ms.doyle cocaine cake", for those who do not know father ted
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<sv> is there anything special i need to do to make sound work on A10 with debian armhf? i'm not sure if there's a module i need to modprobe for alsa/pulseaudio to work or what
<Gumboot> "blocked in your country on copyright grounds"
<Turl> Sv: you should load the audio modules, yeah
<Turl> or make them builtin when building the kernel
<sv> what's the name of the module
<sv> oh i got tem nvm
<sv> them
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<drachensun> so I needed the next-mali kernel but now xbmc is working perfect
<sv> did you compile it yourself
<drachensun> yup, on the device
<drachensun> took awhile
<sv> what does next_mali have above the current mali/mali_drm
<drachensun> I'm not sure exactly but I was getting "EGL failed to initialize" with the sunxi-3.0
<drachensun> the stage/sunxi-3.0 might work too, I thought I was trying it but my copy script had a bug so I'm not sure if it failed or I was still using the stable kernel
<Turl> stage/ has next_mali inside
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<rz2k> Sv: ARM released new drm drivers with stuff from 2004 era
<rz2k> like drm_calloc();
<rz2k> so previous versions should work up to r3p1-rel0
<rz2k> drachensun: are you sure you either did chmod 777 /dev/ump && /dev/mali or created a rule for udev so it will do it automaticly?
<drachensun> yeah, the stage kernel is probably fine, I'm pretty sure I wasn't really testing it when I thought I was.
<drachensun> rz2k: yeah, I have a script doing that and its working
<sv> i'm going to try the stage kernel
<drachensun> yeah, I'm going to have to also as thats the version has the touch screen fix I need too
<sv> is 3.0 better than 3.4
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<sv> i can't find much infos on 3.4 being used
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<rz2k> wifi is dead in 3.4
<Turl> 3.0 is the 'stable' branch
<sv> ah, right
<Turl> 3.4 is the way forward
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<Turl> it's supposedly missing some stuff on USB though
<Turl> I used USB devices on it and it worked, however
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<Turl> lundman: ping
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<libv> yay, extra h of hacking :)
<drachensun> ok confirmed, the stage/sunxi3.0 kernel works too
<Turl> libv: ?
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<libv> daylightssaving time in CET
<Turl> ah :P
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<sv> stage is compiling right now
<sv> it's pretty fast when crosscompiling on a quad-core cpu
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<lundman> turl
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<sv> woo compiled
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<Turl> lundman: PM?
<lundman> Mayor
<lundman> but sure:)
<Turl> lol
<sv> and works perfectly too
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<Gatsby> does sun4i support thumbee instructions?
<Gatsby> or only thumb2
<hno> It's a Cortex-A8 so yes.
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<orly_owl> any a10 device with gigabit network?
<hno> orly_owl, hard to fit a gigabit interface on A10.
<orly_owl> what's the hurdle?
<hno> There is no I/O interface that can keep up with gbit. The fastest I/O bus on A10 is USB2.0.
<orly_owl> ah right
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<orly_owl> so a gigabit to usb 2.0 adapter would be faster then a2000 ethernet
<hno> For most applications the 100Mbps built in NIC is quite sufficient. It's not exacly a blazingly fast CPU.
<orly_owl> limited by usb 2.0 bandwidth of course
<orly_owl> also a good point
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<orly_owl> id like an a10 nas, that's all
<hno> Maybe faster. But USB has quite a lot of overhead.
<orly_owl> hmm yes
<lundman> needs more sata :)
<lundman> 6x 6gbps sata ports would benice
<orly_owl> and the a10 has to deal with that
<orly_owl> 6 sata would be nice
<lundman> "wake up lundman, you are having a nightmare"
<hno> yes, that would be an idea. SATA connected Ethernet.
<hno> don't know what the application would be. Usually when needing fast ethernet you also need fast storage.
<orly_owl> it shall be a slow nas then
<lundman> if it had two nics, it could be a router
<orly_owl> add a usb nic
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<hno> or two.
<hno> but a router only needs one if you have a switch.
<orly_owl> mhm
<hno> s/a s/a managed s/
<ibot> hno meant: but a router only needs one if you have a managed switch.
<orly_owl> the new ibot from apple?
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<hno> ibot <3
<ibot> extra, extra, read all about it, <3 is love
<orly_owl> ibot stole my baby
<hno> bad ibot
<orly_owl> hmmmm
<orly_owl> it's not aussie enough
<orly_owl> ibot: gday
<ibot> G'day mate, how's the fishin' and the sheila?
<hno> we love ibot
<orly_owl> you beaut
<orly_owl> ibot: weather
<hno> ibot: gone fishing?
<orly_owl> ibot fished in pm
<orly_owl> <ibot> no help on weather. Use 'help' without arguments.
<hno> wikipedia Allwinner A10
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<hno> ibot: wiki Allwinner A10
<ibot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allwinner_a10 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'Allwinner A1X', known under Linux as sunxi, is a family of SoC devices designed by AllWinner Technology Co. Ltd. from Zhuhai, China. Currently the family consists of the A13http://www.allwinnertech.com/product/A13.html and the A10.http://www.allwinnertech.com/product/a10.html The SoCs incorporate the ARM Cortex-A8 as its main ...
<hno> anyone: wiki Allwinner A10
<hno> What is Allwinner A10?
<hno> hmm..
<hno> where can I find Allwinner A10
<hno> ibot: Allwinner A10
<ibot> hmm... allwinner a10 is a System on a Chip manufactured by Allwinner. See http://linux-sunxi.org/A10
<hno> ibot is not the most friendly bot today.
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<Turl> ibot: wiki wiki
<ibot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use mdy dates|date=February 2012}} {{about|the type of website}} {{dablink|{{srlink|WP:NOTWIKI|Not to be confused with}} Wikipedia.}} {{selfref|"Edit summary" redirects here. For edit summaries as used in Wikipedia, see .}} {{selfref|"WikiNode" redirects here. For the WikiNode of Wikipedia, see .}} {{pp-semi-indef}} {{pp-move-indef}} , inventor of the wiki]] A 'wiki' ...
<Turl> ouch
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<rz2k> looks like another trans-atlantic fustercluck happening right now, github is 50kbps for me, plus freenode notice about hub down..
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<techn_> hno: how about that mini-x?
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<hno> techn_, did not get anything for mini-x
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<techn_> hno: seems that mailing to dev@linux-sunxi.org misses mails :(
<mnemoc> i'll install a real mailserver once hetzner gives me the new server. currently dev@ uses a forward provided by the free dns hosting (pointhq.com)
<hno> forwarders fail if there is SPF on the sender domain.
<hno> and gmail have SPF.
<hno> techn_, mail diretly to linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com
<lundman> i have spf!
<hno> Quite many uese SPF today. For good and bad.
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<RaYmAn> mnemoc: finally caved :P And a day too late :( The delivery date moved 7 days since yesterday :(
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<libv> pfff. finally looking good.
<libv> now for some testing
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<hno> libv, disp?
<techn_> googlegroups is shit
<libv> yeah
<libv> 188 files changed, 32610 insertions(+), 48920 deletions(-)
<libv> lindent accounts for a bit of that though
<libv> big pain, but life definitely will be easier afterwards
<hno> techn_, mini-x added.
<techn_> hno: thanks
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<libv> the diff against the original libv_disp reveals nothing spectacular
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<asdftrip> hello
<asdftrip> i am completely new to linux kernel compiling and all that, can anyone assist me with the Allwinner A10 platform?
<lundman> githib clone, make sun4i_defconfig
<asdftrip> i finished that part already
<asdftrip> my question is how to send the uImage and the modules to the device
<asdftrip> (in this case, a tablet)
<lundman> ah cant help, no tablet.. i thought they booted SD
<asdftrip> i think they do, however I've compiled the kernel for android, so I thought i could avoid u-boot
<lundman> ah, then you can dd to the /dev/nand device. either using android (and adb), or boot a linux, then do it
<asdftrip> nand...which? is it the same partition that holds script.bin?
<lundman> kernel is on nandc, in the ANDROID header format
<lundman> ie, mkbootimg
<asdftrip> oh.... so i'd need to pull script.bin first then mkbootimg, right?
<lundman> if you want to change it? I only replaced kernel, so I just changed nandc
<lundman> script.bin is on nanda, fat
<asdftrip> oh... that is true, sorry, i confounded them for a bit there
<asdftrip> i am very inexperienced with linux, so i tried mounting nandc to check out its contents but failed
<lundman> nah, just dd it in as a raw file, it has the android header if you look at it in hexdump
<lundman> then you can use split_mkbootimg into kernel and rootfs
<lundman> replace kernel, and use mkbootimg to put kernel and rootfs back
<lundman> then dd that image to nandc
<asdftrip> much appreciated, thank you
<asdftrip> i am unsure however how large is nandc, and what may happen if i cross the space limit
<lundman> it will stop you
<lundman> you can dd the whole partition in, it'll be more than you need
<lundman> then when you mkbootimg, it'll be smaller/right-size
<asdftrip> ok, thank you
<lundman> some quick notes on my wiki, and most likely on the sunxi wiki]
<asdftrip> i will check them out again - thx for your wiki btw
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<asdftrip> it seems i am doing something wrong, so i will dare to check with you
<asdftrip> where should i get split_mkbootimg from?
<lundman> found it on some random place, perl script.. actually it was called
<lundman> ./split_bootimg.pl nandc
<lundman> looks like I have a copy too
<asdftrip> thanks again
<asdftrip> is the mkbootimg on your ftp valid for A10?
<lundman> mkbootimg I think I got from apt-get
<asdftrip> hm
<asdftrip> can't find it on ubuntu 12.04
<lundman> or it comes with android sdk
<asdftrip> i found a package named abootimg that claims it can write /and/ extract boot.img
<asdftrip> i think i will give that one a try
<lundman> good luck
<lundman> the header is not complicated
<asdftrip> thanks, will report back - also, do you happen to know if the android ramdisk requires any special compression?
<asdftrip> i might want to edit the one for my tablet but i am not sure about creating the new archive
<lundman> nah, i took theirs, cpio
<asdftrip> ok, will research that
<asdftrip> er, is it normal if my new boot.img is very small?
<asdftrip> it seems the ramdisk is only 533 kb in size
<libv> hrm, mmc is always shaky with me it seems
<libv> same toolchain and same u-boot though
<asdftrip> seems i did something wrong, the tablet is stuck on the first boot logo
<asdftrip> oh well, time to restore backups i guess
<lundman> ramdisk is usually just busybox and init script to mount the real root
<libv> hrm, this new reboot it is much more stable... strange
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<asdftrip> i am wondering why it was stuck at the first boot logo
<asdftrip> ... there might be something wrong with the ramdisk after all, since the second android logo is in there i believe
<asdftrip> the .rle file
<lundman> did you set the boot address correctly?
<asdftrip> if i recall correctly it was the same as the original (as reported after make)
<lundman> android, you did make with sun4i_crane_defconfig?
<asdftrip> yep
<lundman> huh
<asdftrip> the only issue i can imagine...
<asdftrip> make returned an error inside kpanic.c
<asdftrip> i am guessing related to android kernel panic handling
<lundman> I had toenable ATAG to boot linux, or it would stop
<asdftrip> i could not find the appropriate parameter in config to disable it
<asdftrip> so i commented out the line in the source file
<asdftrip> after that make completed succesfully
<asdftrip> perhaps it still tries to initialize kpanic?
<asdftrip> as for atag, i believe it was enabled
<lundman> SUNXI_something_ATAG
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<asdftrip> funny, i can find nothing related to ATAG in the config
<asdftrip> perhaps i should clone the git again and start over
<asdftrip> unless it's CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_SUNXI=y
<lundman> nor mine
<lundman> hmm
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<lundman> nevermind that one then :)
<lundman> thought I did
<asdftrip> i will probably leave this for another day and compare my boot.img and its contents to the boot.img in a CM9 port
<asdftrip> and figure out what went wrong
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<asdftrip> what i know for sure is that ROMs flashed with custom recoveries do not modify the nanda partition, so they probably don't change the boot address either
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<asdftrip> okay, i saw what happened
<asdftrip> during the boot process, bImage is no longer loaded as per tutorials online
<asdftrip> now the tablet actually loads u-boot
<asdftrip> which means i should probably compile it as well before i can run my own kernel
<lundman> android loads 2 uboots, then kernel, or something
<asdftrip> root@android:/sdcard/nanda/linux # cat linux.ini
<asdftrip> cat linux.ini
<asdftrip> img_name = c:\linux\u-boot.bin
<asdftrip> img_size = 0x80000
<asdftrip> [segment]
<asdftrip> img_base = 0x4A000000
<asdftrip> [script_info]
<asdftrip> script_base = 0x43000000
<asdftrip> script_size = 0x10000
<asdftrip> [logo_info]
<asdftrip> logo_name = c:\linux\linux.bmp
<asdftrip> logo_show = 1
<asdftrip> i had followed the boot process on rhombus-tech
<asdftrip> which was
<asdftrip> [segment]
<asdftrip> img_name = c:\linux\bImage
<asdftrip> img_size = 0x2000000
<asdftrip> [segment]
<asdftrip> img_base = 0x40008000
<asdftrip> img_name = c:\linux\params
<asdftrip> img_size = 0x100
<asdftrip> img_base = 0x40000100
<asdftrip> [script_info]
<asdftrip> script_base = 0x43000000
<asdftrip> script_size = 0x10000
<asdftrip> [logo_info]
<libv> asdftrip: stop this.
<libv> use pastebin
<asdftrip> 'scuse me, i'm done
<libv> hrm, the prebuilt image is very happy with mmc
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<libv> so it is not a hw issue
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<libv> any ideas what i should look into to get my mele stable? hf toolchain? fex? u-boot? or is this just a kernel thing?
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<Hexxeh> do you guys have any neat tricks for getting a shell on a device with no serial or usb host ports?
<RaYmAn> what device and what do you have? :)
<Hexxeh> device is a nexus 7
<Hexxeh> i just have a regular microusb cable
<RaYmAn> I haven't gotten around to testing it yet, but it should be possible to get serial over the uart port
<Hexxeh> got a usb otg cable on order, but it'll take like a week to arrive
<RaYmAn> acccording to kernel source anyways
<RaYmAn> fbcon doesn't work?
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<Hexxeh> well it does, but i can't type anything
<Hexxeh> it's just a touchscreen
<Hexxeh> i need a shell to debug what's going on with the UI
<RaYmAn> ah, right
<Hexxeh> can't even connect network to get SSH
<RaYmAn> otg is probably only way then :/
<Hexxeh> dayum
<RaYmAn> you got the new chromebook yet? =P
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<Hexxeh> i'm blindly throwing userdata images at it trying different things in the hope that one works
<Hexxeh> but at 800MB a pop, it's slow :P
<Hexxeh> not yet
<libv> so a usb keyboard doesn't work either?
<RaYmAn> kind of requires a usb otg cable :P
<Hexxeh> yeah, which i don't have yet
<Hexxeh> atm i'm blindly trying to get wifi connected
<Hexxeh> so that i can get SSH
<RaYmAn> actually
<RaYmAn> you have a regular usb cable to host, yes?
<Hexxeh> yeah
<libv> ok :)
<RaYmAn> setup kernel to do cdc or serial gadget
<RaYmAn> instead of android gadget
<RaYmAn> then make your init setup console on that
<Hexxeh> i uh, have no idea how to do that :P
<Hexxeh> basically trying to do chromium os for tegra 3 devices
<RaYmAn> step 1 is change kernel config in usb gadget setup
<Hexxeh> but this happens to be the only tegra 3 device i have handy
<libv> Hexxeh: give up!
<libv> Hexxeh: and send it to some guy in norway who will hack tegra3 and who will be very grateful :p
<RaYmAn> Hexxeh: basically setup serial gadget (Documentation/usb/gadget_serial.txt )
<RaYmAn> and make sure you setup something to listen on that serial port
<Hexxeh> downloading kernel source now
<RaYmAn> then you should be able to just connect from host pc
<Gumboot> Does the whole L4T thing not cover ChromeOS? I thought I saw something about it in there, but I really wasn't paying attention.
<Gumboot> Maybe it was Android. I just remember seeing two options.
<RaYmAn> the tegra3 device tree in chromeos does use the L4T drivers.
<RaYmAn> waluigi
<RaYmAn> nvidia kernels & drivers are rather...particular about versions. Every last revision seems to break binary drivers :/ which kind of kills community support a lot.
<Gumboot> OK, initially that looks like a cat jumped on your keyboard, but it's a Nintendo thing, right?
<RaYmAn> It's a google thing presumably
<RaYmAn> some device codenamed waluigi
<Gumboot> Yeah, waluigi as in Wario and Waluigi -- some kind of bad versions of Mario and Luigi.
<RaYmAn> http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git;a=tree;f=overlay-waluigi;h=c1eb09b7ad0b28548d4dbdb7dad609e18c4f77bd;hb=HEAD
<Gumboot> Kind of guessing, here.
* RaYmAn shrugs
<RaYmAn> I guess.
<libv> even though the nightly builds are broken, i want to give them a go to have some solid starting point for testing my mmc
<libv> is there any info on what image does what?
<libv> yergh, 7z
<Hexxeh> RaYmAn: okay, built with that option enabled, what device does it appear as that I can spawn a shell on?
<RaYmAn> I'm guessing it is in the documentation .txt I pointed to - I don't remember
<RaYmAn> looks like it's ttyGS0 on device and ttyACMX on host
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<libv> hrm, just grabbed a hyundai a7hd on ebay
<libv> guess i won't be getting an aurora after all
<Hexxeh> hm, abootimg doesn't want to let me build a boot image without a ramdisk
<RaYmAn> just put in a small 1-byte file
<RaYmAn> kernel doesn't seem to care
<Hexxeh> nah, it's failing to boot and dropping me to busybox
<RaYmAn> on tf201, the bootloader is buggy, so that if you don't include a ramdisk, it fails
<Hexxeh> host machine is showing the serial device though which is a good sign
<RaYmAn> oh, so you can build a bootimage, it just doesn't work, or?
<Hexxeh> yeah
<RaYmAn> well, as I said, I had huge issues on tf201 with empty ramdisk. Using a 1-byte ramdisk fixes it
<RaYmAn> (literally nothing happens if you don't have a ramdisk *sigh*)
<Hexxeh> trying that now
<Hexxeh> it's failing to mount root and bailing
<Hexxeh> does fastboot choke on large files?
<Hexxeh> my userdata image is like 800MB
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<Turl> Hexxeh: it used to, at least on some devices
<Hexxeh> any workaround?
<Turl> well, there was a fastboot that did partial uploads for my motorola, but no idea if that required bootloader support or something
<Turl> Hexxeh: what device are you working on?
<Hexxeh> nexus 7
<Turl> can't you use dd? :P
<Hexxeh> to what? :P
<Hexxeh> all i have is fastboot
<Turl> fastboot flash a recovery
<Turl> then boot into it and dd whatever partition you need
<Hexxeh> hmm, i need to keep this install process simple for people though
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<Hexxeh> btw, how do you repartition these devices?
<Hexxeh> it'd be useful to split userdata into two partitions
<RaYmAn> without nvflash it's a bit annoying
<Hexxeh> eh, i'll leave that and use my hack then
<RaYmAn> tbh, if you want to go that direction, I'd say just stuff an LVM on top of userdata
<Hexxeh> well i can squeeze cros into two partitions
<Hexxeh> and 1 with some patches
<Hexxeh> minimum is really a root and a stateful
<Hexxeh> but if the root is rw you can make stateful a loop mounted file on the root
<Turl> don't you have a system partition though?
<Hexxeh> i do, not using it atm
<Hexxeh> thinking of using it to cache updates on
* RaYmAn wishes google would let us have nvflash on n7 :(
<Hexxeh> it doesn't work?
<RaYmAn> it's locked down.
<Hexxeh> SBK?
<RaYmAn> yeah
<Hexxeh> is it device specific?
<RaYmAn> not sure
<RaYmAn> but given it is on e.g. tf201, I'd imagine it would be per-device
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<RaYmAn> As far as I have gathered, it's usually set during provisioning (Except samsung who was clevar enough to set it after release through a publicly released bootloader ;))
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<drachensun> anyone tried a touch screen with xbmc? mine will slide around but wont click like the mouse
<WarheadsSE> what driver are you using it
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<drachensun> ft5x_ts
<WarheadsSE> K, and using evtouch?
<drachensun> I dont think so
<drachensun> will that do it?
<WarheadsSE> it think that is more designed for touch usage as such
<WarheadsSE> I dont have any touch screens myself :/
<WarheadsSE> at the moment at least
<drachensun> ok, worth a try
<WarheadsSE> or at least a look
<WarheadsSE> one more part of X11 to config.
<drachensun> I had the modify the driver to perform inverts as specified in the fex file and I read on miniand another guy fixed that with evtouch, so it would be a good thing to have working
<drachensun> ugh yeah
<drachensun> I was trying to get the screen to rotate with xrandr, wasted hours and no luck
<drachensun> I can rotate it in the xorg.conf but not on the fly
<drachensun> so no using the g sensor yet
<WarheadsSE> I need to get back to the Mele soon
<drachensun> its been pretty exciting lately, getting xbmc was big too me.
<drachensun> its streaming online videos and everything
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<WarheadsSE> It wil be big to our users @ ALARM too
<WarheadsSE> I can *possibly replace my bluray in the living room
<techn_> WarheadsSE: ALARM?
<WarheadsSE> Arch Linux ARM
<WarheadsSE> acronym
<techn_> thanks
<WarheadsSE> techn_: np
<WarheadsSE> you'd be surprised the occasional noob that freaks out
<WarheadsSE> think they must have some nasty hacker on their network because their router is displaying "alarm"
<techn_> :D
<jlj> will it be possible to boot any allwinner A10 system using a single image at some point?
<jlj> seems a lot of them are really similar, but still require different distributions..ie script.bin and stuff
<jlj> would be neat
<drachensun> I doubt the script.bin is going away, it defines physical differences between the boards and there are lot of different ones running around
<jlj> was hoping it maybe could be auto generated at boot or something like that
<jlj> but guess the script.bins are here to stay huh.. oh well they work I guess
<drachensun> well there is a theory the live suit program can autoprobe the settings somehow
<techn_> jlj: I think current solution is to have general rootfs and hwpack which is device specific
<drachensun> if so, that would mean it might possible to do the same
<jlj> drachensun: that would be nice
<jlj> techn_: yeah I've seen that in some distros. some just seem to have large .imgs for each device type though.
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<jlj> might be unofficial ones or something
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<Turl> fuu
<Turl> mnemoc: the sata fix is overclocking my mali >.<
<techn_> Turl: my mali runs @400Mhz
<techn_> on mini-x
<Turl> yeah that's 'overclocked' :(
<Turl> causes it to fail after a while of GL ops
<Turl> at 320Mhz (ie, before sata patch) it works fine
<libv> techn_: i am pretty happy with my disp changes atm, things are much more logical, and much cleaner. it will be a big break though
<libv> i am currently struggling with getting mmc stable on the mele, and trying to debug things
<libv> who here is currently actively building and running (stage/)sunxi-3.0 on a mele?
<Turl> mali is sourced from pll4
<libv> what toolchain, what u-boot, what fex, etc...
<Turl> libv: I ran both 3.0 and 3.4 on mele, it worked fine
<libv> Turl: toolchain, u-boot version?
<Turl> toolchain.. arm-eabi- 4.4.3 from android prebuilts tree
<Turl> uboot, the prebuilt one hno has on its website
<libv> i have the lkcl ubuntu image running stable (armel), but my armhf direct build has a very shaky mmc
<Turl> fex, whatever came in it iirc
<techn_> libv, I'm using sunxi-bsp with mini-x and a13_mid
<techn_> toolchain 4.6.3 linaro
<libv> ok, so the first thing to try would be armel?
<techn_> my u-boot is armel.. rootfs/kernel armhf
<libv> ok?
<techn_> no problems
* libv goes and tries that one
<techn_> full setup is linaro alip + hwpack build with sunxi-bsp where linux branch is changed to stage
<libv> techn_: how are you not running into linking issues with your hf toolchain?
<libv> on uboot
<techn_> I'm using armel u-boot
<libv> so you built against a completely different toolchain
<techn_> everthing else is armhf
<libv> than against which you built the kernel
<Turl> techn_: were you hit by 'the sata issue' previously?
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<techn_> Turl: no I don't have sata on my devices
<techn_> Ok.. sata is on chip but still didn't have any issues
<libv> techn_: if you build uboot with -soft-float against the linaro armhf toolchain, it refuses to link against the libgcc.a in that toolchain
<libv> techn_: so you must've built your uboot against a different toolchain
<techn_> libv: oh.. I have armel separate toolchain
<libv> ok
<techn_> *separate armel :)
<libv> :)
* libv grabs the last linaro armel toolchain and tries uboot with that
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<Turl> I sent a patch to the ML, I'd appreciate testing from people who had the sata issue earlier :)
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<ZaEarl> how are we on installing to nand? can we install and run Linux from nand?
<hno> libv, I build u-boot using the linary bare-metal toolchain.
<libv> hno: so hf?
<hno> s/ry/ro/
<ibot> hno meant: libv, I build u-boot using the linaro bare-metal toolchain.
<hno> libv, no, soft. GCC supports both.
<libv> yes, but then linking falls over
<hno> but for some reason the armhf toolchain picks up the wrong libs.
<libv> ok
<libv> so "bare-metal" is a special version
<libv> (it is kind of a dubious statement and bad naming then :))
<libv> or?
<hno> Hmm.. probably the bare-metal toolchain is soft-float by default even. Have never investigated in detail.
<libv> well, the el/hf mix so far is not working well for me, but creating the sd from scratch now
<hno> http://www.linaro.org/downloads/ bottom of the page.
<libv> cool, will give that a whirl soon
<hno> The gcc-linaro-arm-linux-gnueabihf is supposed to work as well, but something is confused and it picks the wrong gcc libraries at linking.
<Gumboot> Does u-boot actually use floating-point code?
<Gumboot> I guess that's not an issue, is it. The linker will fall to pieces whether it's relevant or not.
<Gumboot> Is there a tool to scratch that information out of the objects so that things can just be got-on-with?
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<Turl> hno: it probably lacks the softfp libs
<Turl> like when you use -m32 without gcc-multilib
<Gumboot> I remember seeing the command line option to point the linker at the right files, and was really pleased to finally have that mystery solved, but I then forgot what it was and where I saw it.
<Turl> try installing gcc-multilib package if you're building on linaro
<libv> heh, i do not know what of my poking made it different, will now try again with hf
<libv> mmc seems ok now
<libv> uboot is now armel, image is alip though as i was tired of waiting for the full image to be copied over to the sdcard
<libv> day and night difference though, cpufreq at 'ondemand' seems very fast to 'performance'
<hno> Turl, no, it has the softfp libs, but it's nearly impossible to make it select them.
<hno> *multilib:
<hno> .::arm-linux-gnueabihf !marm !march=armv4t !mfloat-abi=soft;arm-linux-gnueabi marm march=armv4t mfloat-abi=soft;
<hno> seems to only trigger if ALL of -marm -march=armv4t -mfloat-abi=soft, not the expected if any of them is specified.
<hno> s/,/ is specified,
<hno> canging that to ".::arm-linux-gnueabihf !marm !march=armv4t !mfloat-abi=soft;arm-linux-gnueabi mfloat-abi=soft;" works.
<hno> Good, that fixed the linaro 2012.10 toolchain.