#ruby-lang on 2014-06-11 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-05-09 04:45 apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com

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02:22 <barhum2013> I was running zeus with Ruby 1.9.3 and Rails 3.2.17 without a problem. I upgraded to Ruby 2.0.0 and now the zeus start command stays at waiting? I found some threads online but found no solution. Has anyone dealt with this?

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08:20 <yorickpeterse> morning

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08:28 <maloik> o/

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08:35 <DefV> \o

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09:19 <yorickpeterse> Pet peeve of the day: people using custom markup formats

09:19 <yorickpeterse> e.g. "--> foobar" for lists

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09:30 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: what about if the custom markup is awesome and easy to read? :)

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09:34 <yorickpeterse> it's not

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09:35 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: heh :)

09:35 <yorickpeterse> I'm fine with plain text, but shit like "-->" for lists and "---- Foo" for titles makes no sense

09:36 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: I tend to use * for lists... which I guess is close enough to markdown for your liking?

09:38 <yorickpeterse> Yes, and it's at least a sane default

09:39 <yorickpeterse> * or - are probably the only two forms I don't mind

09:39 <yorickpeterse> Perhaps I am too pedantic, quite possibly

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09:39 <yorickpeterse> s/possibly/possible

09:41 <canton7> I'd argue that there are enough standardised markup formats out there, and most are awesome pretty readable :P no need for any roll-your-own

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09:56 <workmad3> canton7: I prefer this line of thought :) http://xkcd.com/927/

09:59 <canton7> at a guess: competing standards?

09:59 <canton7> aah yes! nice one

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10:02 <workmad3> canton7: yeah... it seemed more appropriate than date standard :)

10:03 <canton7> hehe, yeah

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10:28 <yorickpeterse> Removing code, knowing somebody will get angry at me ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ

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10:57 <corecode> hi

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10:59 <corecode> i'm wondering about how to create a unit test for an application i'm writing; the application opens a /dev/* node (File.open), and I need to do an ioctl before using syswrite and sysread. I think I should create some sort of mock testing shim, but I'm not sure where and how to create it. Any pointers?

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12:56 <ggeorgiev1> how to get silversearhcer working in vim

12:56 <ggeorgiev1> i have ag working in terminal

12:56 <ggeorgiev1> but not in vim

12:56 <ggeorgiev1> i have this is vimrc let g:ackprg = 'ag --nogroup --nocolor --column'

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12:56 <ggeorgiev1> ? whats the command to use it with?

12:56 <ggeorgiev1> thanks!

12:56 <maloik> not really the channel for it here

12:57 <maloik> but that looks like what I have

12:57 <ggeorgiev1> so :ag in vim?

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12:58 <maloik> I suppose so, should say so in the readme

12:58 <yorickpeterse> ggeorgiev1: this is a Ruby IRC channel, not for Vim

12:59 <ggeorgiev1> ok go to #vim

12:59 <ggeorgiev1> sorry guys dont get upset

12:59 <ggeorgiev1> sorry just thought u might know

12:59 <ggeorgiev1> soz

13:00 <yorickpeterse> np

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13:01 <ggeorgiev1> kool :)

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14:13 <mlangenberg> Did Ruby 2.0 or 2.1 also introduce an alternative syntax for Enumerable#inject where you don’t need to return the intermediate result in the block?

14:14 <yorickpeterse> That's each_with_object

14:14 <yorickpeterse> which has been around since 1.9.2/1.9.3

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14:15 <yorickpeterse> >> [10, 20, 30].each_with_object({}) { |num, hash| hash[num] = true }

14:15 <eval-in> yorickpeterse => {10=>true, 20=>true, 30=>true} (https://eval.in/161045)

14:15 <mlangenberg> Ah, thanks, yes that’s what I was looking for.

14:15 <maloik> that's pretty cool, didn't know that existed

14:15 <yorickpeterse> Every time you use #inject for that a baby seal switches to Node.js

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14:16 <maloik> I'm going to be saving a lot of baby seals from now on

14:16 <maloik> get myself a nice new coat

14:16 <maloik> saving them from nodejs, of course

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14:16 <yorickpeterse> :<

14:17 <yorickpeterse> please don't wear Node.js baby seal coats

14:17 <maloik> they're not nodejs baby seals if I didn't use #inject for that now are they

14:17 <maloik> I've earned them

14:18 <yorickpeterse> heh

14:18 <yorickpeterse> "DEATH OR NODE.JS, PICK YOUR CHOICE"

14:18 <maloik> :-)

14:18 <igalic> tea & cake

14:18 * yorickpeterse likes slapping people and randomly picks igalic to slap

14:19 <yorickpeterse> we shall have none of your non-violent nonsense

14:19 <yorickpeterse> but yes I could do with some cake

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14:31 <maloik> I totally read that as coke

14:32 <maloik> crazy dutch people

14:32 <maloik> with their drugs

14:32 <maloik> :-)

14:33 <DefV> hm, a cake or death joke

14:34 <yorickpeterse> maloik: I don't do drugs mkay

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14:36 <maloik> :D

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14:46 <yorickpeterse> ughhh, 12 more repositories to clean up

14:47 <yorickpeterse> Cleaning up Rake stuff in about 18 or so of them

14:47 <yorickpeterse> with 12 more to go

14:47 <yorickpeterse> Most of it is copy-pasting now but it's so boring

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14:50 <yorickpeterse> also still waiting for the lawyers to give the green light for open saucing it :/

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15:52 <mustmodify> I /nick

15:52 <mustmodify> sorry

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15:54 <mustmodify> I assume someone has done this, but I can't find it. Has someone wrote a module to extend boolean so that, for an operation that returns true/false ( or anything like it ) you could do self.save.then { what to do if it works}.else{what to do if it doesn't }

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15:56 <workmad3> mustmodify: don't think so... most people looking at a line like that would probably just use a ternary... 'self.save ? success_stuff : error_stuff' or a full if/else statement

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15:57 <mustmodify> yeah. I like ternaries but they can get unreadable.

15:57 <mustmodify> I mean, if it's multi-line.

15:57 <workmad3> mustmodify: yeah... but so would that .then.else construct if it was multiline ;)

15:57 <workmad3> mustmodify: I suspect exactly the same code that would make a ternary unreadable would make that construct unreadable ;)

15:58 <mustmodify> workmad3: I'm not sure that's _as_ true. I think ternaries are almost explicitly unreadable for multi-line. But if you were careful with your spacing, I don't think that would be true of the other. But I guess I'm about to find out. :)

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16:00 <workmad3> mustmodify: https://gist.github.com/workmad3/5c19ae87313eb2516c46

16:00 <workmad3> mustmodify: guess it's simple enough to allow playing around with :)

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16:01 <mustmodify> workmad3: damnit you beat me to it...

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16:03 <workmad3> mustmodify: it's kinda smalltalkey :)

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16:06 <mustmodify> workmad3: yeah, originally I came up with this because I heard someone say that if/then _could_ have been more OO, if @matz really wanted to go full-stop OO with Ruby.

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16:08 <workmad3> mustmodify: yeah, smalltalk has an if/else construct that's just messages

16:09 <workmad3> mustmodify: afaik, pretty much like the one I wrote, but within a single method :)

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16:13 <workmad3> mustmodify: just updated that gist with a .do method

16:13 <workmad3> mustmodify: that lets you do thing.do _if: ->{}, _else: {}

16:13 <workmad3> err, ->{} on the end there

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16:15 <mustmodify> workmad3: why _if rather than if: ?

16:15 <workmad3> mustmodify: syntax issues

16:15 <mustmodify> oh

16:15 <mustmodify> duh

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16:24 <mustmodify> workmad3: you could go all javascript-promise-esque and do success and fail. But I don't think I like javascript that much.

16:24 <mustmodify> An error handling block might be nice, but I pretty sure you can't rescue as an after-thought.

16:25 <mustmodify> it would have to be lambda{ thing }.success{ thing }.on_explosion { #whattodo }.but_if_it_goes_nuclear { kernel_panic }

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16:34 <workmad3> mustmodify: pretty much, yes

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16:37 <mustmodify> workmad3: github doesn't have a workmad2 or workmad1 .. why the 3?

16:38 <workmad3> mustmodify: because :P

16:38 <tbuehlmann> alle guten dinge sind 3

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16:59 <mustmodify> workmad3: I'm totally going to gemify this and use it in my projects when I have free time. HA HA HA HA HA

16:59 <mustmodify> https://github.com/mustmodify/then_else.rb

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17:13 <larikang> I'm having hard time understanding the behavior of Module#constants

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17:14 <larikang> it seems to behave differently when used on Object vs other classes

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17:17 <centrx> HOW

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17:18 <larikang> Object.constants has all top-level constants, but Array.constants (for example) is empty

17:18 <jhass> >> [self, self.class] # so Object is the default namespace for all constants that are defined outside one

17:18 <eval-in> jhass => [main, Object] (https://eval.in/161124)

17:18 <larikang> even though every class is a subclass of Object

17:19 <larikang> yeah, I'm talking specifically about how constants deals with inheritance

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17:26 <jhass> ah, interesting. I guess Object is just special cased here so you don't inherit all its constants

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17:28 <larikang> that's my guess too but I can't find the code that handles that case

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17:29 <larikang> I haven't found anything obvious like if (klass != rb_cObject)

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17:32 <jhass> http://rxr.whitequark.org/mri/source/variable.c#1987 I think?

17:32 <johncash> I'm trying to write an rspec test but my before hooks aren't firing, anyone ever heard of that

17:32 <jhass> (it stops when it reaches rb_cObject)

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17:33 <larikang> ugh! I was so close to that

17:33 <larikang> that looks right

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17:46 <imperator> howdy folks

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17:47 <yorickpeterse> hail hydra

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