apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<zenspider> damn I like mathematica... such a strange and wonderful language
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<bougyman> zenspider: it sure gobbles ram here.
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<apeiros> anybody with MRI insights know whether there's a difference for ruby between: `return a, b` and `[a, b]` (implicit return in the latter)
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<andrewvos> zenspider: I got it!
<andrewvos> Damn that was hard
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<andrewvos> For quite a while I thought the numbers had to also be primes, until I looked at 28 and was like DUHHHHH
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<centrx> >> require 'prime'; 28.prime?
<eval-in_> centrx => false (https://eval.in/149454)
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<t4nk474> hi
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<t4nk259> what?
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<whitequark> apeiros: no difference
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<metus_violarium> Hello. When I'am writting a gem, where should I include dependencies? In main module-file? Or In each file necessary dependencies for it?
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<whitequark> every 'entry point' for the gem should require the dependencies it needs
<metus_violarium> all of them?
<whitequark> e.g. if it only makes sense to do require 'yourgem', then lib/yourgem.rb should list all the dependencies
<whitequark> however, if you have something like require 'yourgem/json' and require 'yourgem/yaml', then each of those files would only require the relevant library (in this example, json and yaml)
<metus_violarium> I see
<whitequark> of course, if require 'yourgem/json' just does require 'yourgem', it's just like the first case
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<metus_violarium> Also, I had a problem. My lib needs library 'date', I forgot to include it in proper place and got an error, but I have not got any errors when I was testing it with rspec, because it requires 'date' itself
<metus_violarium> Is there way to test it too?
<whitequark> not really, if you want to keep rspec
* whitequark personally prefers minitest, which is way less bloated
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<metus_violarium> I am writting a gem which allows something like that: https://gist.github.com/violarium/71943c77e76c7c647f70
<metus_violarium> to print months
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* zenspider adds require 'date' to minitest...
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<zenspider> holy fuck I hate encodings so much
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<atmosx> zenspider: still on 1.9?
<zenspider> heh. no. currently testing on 2.0... but my feelings are pretty much the same across all of ruby >= 1.9 wrt encodings. 2.0+ is better, but not by that much
<zenspider> I think I've found a compromise that won't kill me... but who knows. testing against a few thousand files now
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<zenspider> holy fuck
<zenspider> that... might have fixed my last serious problem...
<apeiros> andrewvos: lol. yeah, problems get quite a bit harder when you misunderstand the rules :D
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<apeiros> oh, wow, why was I stuck at some odd place in my scrollback?
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<imperator> good morning
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<SteelGolem> good morning (UGT) to you too, imperator
<SteelGolem> greetings easily lost in the endless waves of joins and parts
<SteelGolem> washing your words away
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<imperator> ugt?
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<SteelGolem> universal greeting time
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<sogard> Hey, guys.
<sogard> Can you help me make MRuby?
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<sogard> Any help with MRuby?
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<imperator> refresh my memory, what's mruby?
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<SteelGolem> impatient for an answer but then doesn't reply
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<sogard> MRuby is Ruby for embedded. Sorry for the late reponse.
<sogard> response*
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<sogard> I downloaded the package and use make.
<sogard> used*
<apeiros> imperator: matz' 2nd try at ruby :)
<sogard> Now I have some .h files in the include folder and some .a files in build/../lib
<sogard> How can use these file to be able to compile the .c files?
<sogard> files*
<SteelGolem> sounds like you need gcc
<sogard> I'm using GCC.
<SteelGolem> but you don't know how to build an exe with it?
<sogard> No exe.
<sogard> I'm on Linux.
<SteelGolem> oh, well the equivalent binary file
<sogard> The problem is, how can I place these .h files and .a files so that I can use them system-wide?
<SteelGolem> does linux have a path variable or equivalent?
<sogard> Really?
<sogard> Of course it does.
<SteelGolem> i've touched linux a total of 2 weeks, playing with it
<sogard> Linux is pure awesomeness.
<SteelGolem> it is and it isn't
<sogard> For a developer, it is.
<SteelGolem> it depends on your needs
<sogard> Yep.
<SteelGolem> okay well i have no idea, so i'll shut up
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<badeball> sogard: check out gcc's search path: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Search-Path.html
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<sogard> I've put the files in /usr/local and it still doesn't find the .h files.
<badeball> however, I would claim that you shouldn't clutter the system space with your own stuff. instead you can instruct gcc to look for its includes with -l
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<imperator> /usr/local/include ?
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<SteelGolem> omg backquote strings
<SteelGolem> awesome!
<sogard> Yep.
<sogard> Works. Thanks a bunch.
<SteelGolem> making calls to the os in every language i've used so far has been such a pain in the face
<sogard> What do you mean?
<SteelGolem> i mean i'm inept
<SteelGolem> :3
<SteelGolem> but this is alot nicer
<sogard> :P
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<sogard> Linux, right?
<SteelGolem> no
<SteelGolem> win-based
<SteelGolem> like a loser
<SteelGolem> linux is to hard!
<SteelGolem> so is speling!
* SteelGolem slaps forehead
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<SteelGolem> i do plan on setting up a dual boot and trying harder to learn it
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<SteelGolem> but all the tools i use are getting me by for now
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<SteelGolem> also i'm wary of the things i'm hearing about google trying to mess things up
<sogard> What's Google trying to mess up?
<sogard> Wanna try a Linux course?
<SteelGolem> kernels
<sogard> It's for beginners, though.
<SteelGolem> i'm too poor for courses
<sogard> Free course.
<sogard> Of course.
<SteelGolem> hmm, i'm interested, but i'm trying to stay focused on learning ruby and then rails atm
<sogard> I get this now: "mruby.c:(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `mrb_open'"
<sogard> I've so little experience with gcc. :/
<SteelGolem> these kinds of things
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<SteelGolem> dammit i need to learn to grep
<apeiros> ok, I think I've made all possible errors and mistakes one can make in a 4 line method. anybody want to take a bet?
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<SteelGolem> sogard generally you go: gcc -o *.c -l lib1.a lib2.a
<sogard> I know.
<SteelGolem> sorry
<sogard> But I've already put the stupid .a files in the /usr folder.
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<SteelGolem> thanks for that course link, i bookmarked it
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<chris2> gcc -o *.c will nicely overwrite a source file ;)
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<SteelGolem> it's been so long since i used it
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<chris2> and you need -l before each lib anyway
<sogard_> Okay, but does it find the .a files?
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<chris2> should, yes
<SteelGolem> oh right, sources*.c -o binary.exe -l lib.a
<chris2> you can also pass the full path without -l for .a files
<sogard_> Shouldn't all the .a file from /usr/local/lib be used?
<sogard_> files*
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<chris2> else try -L/usr/local/lib
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<sogard_> Same thing. It doesn't find the methods from the mruby.c file.
<chris2> oh
<chris2> -lfoo for libfoo.a btw
<chris2> afk
<SteelGolem> agh thats right
<SteelGolem> well the makefile's made his archive files so there's no need to gcc
<SteelGolem> how bizarre sogard
<sogard_> Does it really have to be this complicated...
<sogard_> Man...
<badeball> sogard_: I was able to compile and embed mruby using the following commands: https://gist.github.com/badeball/8bf7f3d7feda312815f4
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<badeball> sogard_: tldr: stop putting things everywhere
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<sogard_> Thanks for the help.
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<Spades_> Can anyone explain why this code https://gist.github.com/anonymous/23519d18e75250f491ef outputs an empty hash?
<Spades_> on ruby 1.9.3
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<Mon_Ouie> Yes, that's because when you access an element that doesn't exist, it doesn't set it to the default valu
<Mon_Ouie> It simply returns the default value
<Mon_Ouie> If you now do anagram[:anything] it will return ['hi']
<Spades_> Mon_Ouie: so there is only 1 defeault value that is always returned?
<Spades_> if the element doesnt exist i mean
<apeiros> Spades_: you can have either one default value, or a default proc
<Mon_Ouie> Yes. That's the problem with the way you set the default value. If you mutate it, you mutate the object that is used as the default value for everything.
<Mon_Ouie> Which is why you want a default proc in this case
<Spades_> ah i see, i don't know about procs. I will look that up. thanks!
<apeiros> Spades_: note that if you don't set a default value, nil is the default
<apeiros> and in that case, ruby doesn't set keys either
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<apeiros> so, added unreachable pattern directly to my framework. lets hope that's not a stupid idea™
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<yorickpeterse> maloik: jesus, Arrrrcamp is the most impossible name
<yorickpeterse> Ah, apparently it's 3 Rs
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<ljarvis> moin
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: looks like rob has gone into that quiet stage
<yorickpeterse> yup
<yorickpeterse> Not sure what's worse though
<yorickpeterse> Him being wack or us stalking him
<ljarvis> yeah...
<ljarvis> although we're stalking him because concerned
<ljarvis> we're ^
<yorickpeterse> This is really the only case where saying that actually works
<ljarvis> good enough for me
<jhass> the nsa is concerned about us too...
<|jemc|> it's for our own good
<yorickpeterse> jhass: No, they are afraid
<yorickpeterse> that's different
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<[spoiler]> yorickpeterse: they're afraid for our own safety; that's like concern
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<ljarvis> they're afraid for their own safety
<yorickpeterse> I was on the phone today with my mother and made a remark about a Jihad. Pretty sure I'll have concerned government agencies at my doorstep soon
<[spoiler]> rubbish! They are full of love, and cuddles
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<yorickpeterse> Ok so I need the ultimate buzzword title for my Arrrcamp talk
<yorickpeterse> how does "Scraping big data at scale using Ruby and MongoDB on EC2" sound?
<yorickpeterse> hm, I should also mention multi-threading
<yorickpeterse> "Scraping big data at scale using multi-threaded Ruby code using MongoDB on EC2"
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<ljarvis> no
<jhass> "using NoSQL (MongoDB)"
<ljarvis> that sounds boring as fuck
<yorickpeterse> heh
<jhass> buzz words always sound boring to me, I thought that's their purpose?
<yorickpeterse> Also apparently the hot thing is to give the same talk for at least 10 conferences
<yorickpeterse> so I'll totally be doing this for the next 5 years
<ljarvis> jhass: buzz <> boring
<yorickpeterse> "Webscale scraping using Ruby, MongoDB, Riak, Redis and Ember.js"
<yorickpeterse> "in the cloud"
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: hah yeah i noticed that too, although most people submit the same 3 so there's a little more surprise
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: it fucking pisses me off
<yorickpeterse> They get their entry ticket and then milk it dry for the next 5 year
<yorickpeterse> * years
<yorickpeterse> If somebody varies it then w/e but the exact same talk multiple times in a row? ugh
<ljarvis> agreed
<yorickpeterse> Not that it's easy to come up with interesting topics, but then again programming isn't easy either
* yorickpeterse shakes fist
<yorickpeterse> In all seriousness though, I'll have to be careful not to rant for 30 minutes about parsing XML and how dumb review websites are
<yorickpeterse> or how they all copy each other
<yorickpeterse> or how it seems they all use the same company to write their systems
<yorickpeterse> And how the bigger the companies get the dumber their tech departments are
<ljarvis> can you add a picture of me in your slides? just because why not
<yorickpeterse> Sure
<yorickpeterse> The one with the Justin bieber cut?
<ljarvis> haha
<ljarvis> beautiful
<yorickpeterse> Between that and my yet-to-order pink pirate costume people will think I'm nuts
<yorickpeterse> which isn't far off the truth
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<yorickpeterse> actually, that reminds me
<yorickpeterse> I had this idea last night
<yorickpeterse> A Disney themed Ruby conference
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<ljarvis> oh god
<yorickpeterse> Dibs on Ariel
<yorickpeterse> or maybe Jasmine
<yorickpeterse> hmmm
<surrounder> haha
<yorickpeterse> The idea of somebody dressing up as Abu or w/e while giving some super serious talk is amazing
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<ljarvis> my vote is for aaron
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<ljarvis> heh
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<epitron> lol
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<jameswatling> Hey I have a question about setting HTTP headers using Net::HTTP - it seems that rails is converting the first character of the header to be capitalized - is there a way I can prevent this ( I know http headers are case insensitive, but the receiving server forces them to be lower case)
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