apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<zcdny> Hi, there
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<zcdny> i want to upgrade my ruby version from 1.9.2, but i don't know which version intend to upgrade, 2.0.0 or 2.1.2,
<zcdny> which one will be good
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<linyu> anybody here ?
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<havenwood> zcdny: 2.1.2 is good
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<mister_integer> Has anybody seen versioning issues running ruby from vim?
<mister_integer> `ruby -v` => 1.9.3
<mister_integer> `vim` >> `:!ruby -v` => 2.0.0
<fowl> whats vim?
* Nilium shanks fowl
<Nilium> PROBLEM SOLVED
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<mister_integer> vim, the popular text editor :P
<whitequark> Nilium: that's really rude
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<maloik> ljarvis: you didn't make it to bacon after all then?
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<unsymbol> greets
<yorickpeterse> mornign
<yorickpeterse> * morning
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<chris2> does core ruby have a normal distributed rng?
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<apeiros> I don't think so
<chris2> i misremembered it then
* chris2 goes code box-muller
<apeiros> :)
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<darix> chris2: distrubed RNG, ... I would definitely trust that.
<chris2> yeah, need a self-contained solution tho
<darix> chris2: the fun part is ... if you talk to such service you want encryption, which requires entropy already. ;p
<darix> chris2: why not fix the systems ability to provide randomness for you?
<badeball> darix: 'normal distributed' in relation to random numbers does not mean a service
<chris2> yes
<chris2> i just need some noise for a model
<darix> badeball: well yes.
<darix> badeball: i just had that discussion a few weeks ago
<darix> about "Randomness as a service"
<darix> people really thought that was a good idea.
<apeiros> random ideas as a service
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<badeball> chris2: it is possible to convert a random number with uniform distribution to one of normal distribution. see inverse transform sampling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_transform_sampling.
<chris2> yes
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* apeiros used ziggurat or somesuch last time
<chris2> yeah, too much work for this small exercise :P
* apeiros assumed box-muller was one such transformation
<chris2> found that already
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<ljarvis> maloik: no unfortunately not, some stuff came up
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: POOK POOK POOK
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* yorickpeterse flaps arms like chicken
<apeiros> I really need to get all my source code from old computers on this one
<apeiros> oh, found it
<apeiros> no guarantees
<apeiros> also written long before core got Random
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<maloik> ljarvis: :-(
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: dat crypto
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: quoi?
<yorickpeterse> que?
<toretore> was?
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: which crypto?
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: probably should've dat "dat RNG"
<yorickpeterse> * said
<yorickpeterse> darn it
<yorickpeterse> My Engrish
<apeiros> well, not much work of my own in it
<apeiros> mostly just translated some code to ruby iirc
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<yorickpeterse> Next TODO: push 34 Gems to RubyGems
<yorickpeterse> then add 4 accounts to every single one of them as an owner
<yorickpeterse> RubyGems would be nicer if it had organizations
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<gnufied> whoa, slow there champ!
<yorickpeterse> eh?
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<gnufied> pushing 34 gems!
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<yorickpeterse> open sauce too
<yorickpeterse> Once we get the green light we unleash the kraken on Github
<yorickpeterse> which means going through 74 repositories and manually making them public ._.
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<yorickpeterse> My Github contributions graph is going to look so awesome when we open this
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<yorickpeterse> (assuming one would care)
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<yorickpeterse> 18 Gems down, 16 more to go
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<ps2931> help
<gnufied> we not your command line ps2931
<gnufied> are*
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<ps2931> sorry
<ps2931> typed it by mistake
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<apeiros> gnufied -h
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<yorickpeterse> Try 'gnufied --help' for more information.
<apeiros> gnufied --version
<apeiros> gnufied --help
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<yorickpeterse> Unrecognized option: --version
<yorickpeterse> Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
<yorickpeterse> ^ java
<yorickpeterse> I don't like it when CLIs don't use a standard pattern for help options
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<gnufied> damn it.
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<apeiros> "damn it." is an interesting version
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* apeiros wonders whether that's a codename
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<yorickpeterse> If you're using Thin then probably
<yorickpeterse> They have codenames like "Bat Shit Crazy" or w/e it was
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<gnufied> Elastic search gives weird names to the nodes
<gnufied> "[cluster.service ] [Cameron Hodge] new_master"
<gnufied> I notice it keeps changing between restarts
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<gnufied> [2014-05-19 12:07:16,273][INFO ][cluster.service ] [Warhawk] new_master [Warhawk]
<gnufied> no "damn it" though yet
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<xybre> I have a project that automatically names nodes using collections of syllables. The name generator was the most fun part.
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<yorickpeterse> Right, I think I better prepare this talk I'm supposed to give tomorrow afternoon
<yorickpeterse> something something I was supposed to do this last Caturday
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<ndrst> yorickpeterse: what kind of stuff is going out?
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<yorickpeterse> eh?
<yorickpeterse> You mean what the talk is about?
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<|jemc|> I think he means the stuff getting 'open sauced'
<yorickpeterse> oh right, slowpoke ndrst
<yorickpeterse> It's basically a whole suite of natural language processing/analysis stuff
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<yorickpeterse> It uses Python, Ruby, Java and Perl
<ndrst> haha slowpoke? sorry I am not reading 24/7 and see IRC as kind of async.
<yorickpeterse> in Gems
<ndrst> sounds interesting tough.
<yorickpeterse> ndrst: tssk tssk
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<yorickpeterse> oh I forgot we also compile some C stuff upon installation
<ndrst> yaya. It's enough that I get pinged on my phone when someone calls me here
<yorickpeterse> Because in the language processing industry it's normal to use 15 different languages and tools
<ndrst> no java?
<ndrst> :D
<yorickpeterse> Read up
<yorickpeterse> Plenty of Java
<yorickpeterse> Actually Java was the least problematic
<yorickpeterse> We're using JRuby for that
<yorickpeterse> Funny enough Python was the biggest pain
<ndrst> oh. sorry have aparently a built in java filter by now
<yorickpeterse> Because apparently packaging in Python is even more fucked up than anywhere else
<ndrst> but. why would you pack it all ito gems?
<ndrst> into
<yorickpeterse> Historically these tools are total disaster to install, no guarantee about version stability either
<yorickpeterse> They're written by researchers who know the algos/research but not how to code it
<yorickpeterse> Basically they can talk the talk but not walk the talk
<yorickpeterse> (or w/e it was)
<yorickpeterse> So we take care of that
<ndrst> so you use rubygems to distribute them no matter what lang?
<yorickpeterse> also running `gem install foobar` is easier than having to install 5 different parts of which 3 are most likely not available in even apt
<yorickpeterse> Yes
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<yorickpeterse> Granted we might loosen that up over time depending on how stable things get
<ndrst> how do you deal with the python dependencies?
<ndrst> an impressive number tough
<yorickpeterse> So basically every Gem that needs external deps has two categories of dependencies: pre-build and pre-install
<yorickpeterse> pre-build is what gets slapped in when building the Gem
<yorickpeterse> pre-install gets handled upon Gem installation
<yorickpeterse> For Python we require Pip to be available and install stuff in to the Gem directory itself
<yorickpeterse> easy_install is a total joke for this so we had to require pip
<yorickpeterse> Though even pip can not properly install stuff in to a fully isolated directory
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<ndrst> sounds still like a pain in a way
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<yorickpeterse> actually it shouldn't involve user interaction in any way, given Pip is available
<yorickpeterse> which we check upon installation
<yorickpeterse> It's not ideal, a native package would be better
<yorickpeterse> But that means having to deal with 9000 different package managers
<yorickpeterse> and then oh shit OS X doesn't have an actual package manager
<yorickpeterse> it has 3 different hacks that are not ideal
<gnufied> appstore!
<ndrst> had any troubles with different os versions?
<yorickpeterse> get out
<ndrst> you could have tried a homebrew approach ?
<yorickpeterse> ndrst: the only trouble we had initially was some group of team members only having Python 2.6 available
<gnufied> wonder if appstore accepts cli apps
<yorickpeterse> when we required 2.7
<ndrst> up next then packing node.js stuff into rubygems?
<ndrst> :D
<dvorak> ndrst: rails already does that
<yorickpeterse> ndrst: ha ha Node.js
<yorickpeterse> Node is not proper enterprise, thus it's not used in the NLP world
<yorickpeterse> Most folks do their stuff in either Java or Python
<ndrst> but but you could do async shizzel with it.
<yorickpeterse> also fuck you libreoffice impress
<ndrst> yeah when I looked into it this topic it was mostly java.
<yorickpeterse> It keeps freezing when I try to set a background colour in a slide :<
<ndrst> ah yeah your talk?!
<yorickpeterse> I'm trying to get a fucking pink background with comic sans
<yorickpeterse> LibreOffice doesn't like that it seems
<gnufied> libressl likes comic sans though
<gnufied> sad you can't make presentations with it
<yorickpeterse> Pretty sure Theo would haunt you forever if you tried
<igalic> yorickpeterse: I had a pink shirt with white comic sans: YAY! PINK SHIRT!
<ndrst> pretty sure you could create keys that look like slides
<ndrst> lol
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<yorickpeterse> ha
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<ndrst> thank god ssh at least works over 64 kbts
<yorickpeterse> cat /dev/urandom > libreoffice
<yorickpeterse> errr
<yorickpeterse> |
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<RhadaX_> HI
<ndrst> but srsly why use libre office?
<ndrst> ists such a sad OSS tool
<RhadaX_> is there some french rubyiste ???
<centrx> You're using libreoffice to code Ruby?
<yorickpeterse> If there's anything better I'll take it
<gnufied> lol
<yorickpeterse> Most of the stuff I've found is hacked together CLI presentation tools
<yorickpeterse> I require the ability to use Comic sans, at least
<yorickpeterse> plus I had libreoffice impress installed (not the rest, just impress)
<yorickpeterse> oooooh nice, I can set my background to a built-in image of a Rose that looks like it's from 1995
<ndrst> mhh if you have latex installed go for beamer with a custom style
<ndrst> woah
<yorickpeterse> blegh, latex
<ndrst> or emacs with orgmode
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<ndrst> I am not a fan of this markdown to JS tools
<yorickpeterse> I've used Pandoc in the past for CVs and such (Markdown -> Latex) but meh
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<ndrst> plain makdown and then adjust the font and colors of your editor?
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<ndrst> hungry and all I have at home is tomato
<ndrst> why the hell would you try to make pink slides?
<ndrst> omg rubypython?
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<yorickpeterse> Because I like annoying people
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<yorickpeterse> but I think I'll use a background image instead
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<yorickpeterse> because the UI is...ugh
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<yorickpeterse> "While creating professional looking (with pretty graphics and other whatnots etc :D) presentations in GNU/Linux, office productivity suites such as LibreOffice, OpenOffice, KOffice and Caligra are widely used because they’re user friendly and rich in features."
<yorickpeterse> ha ha
<yorickpeterse> ha
<yorickpeterse> user friendly my butt
<ndrst> I would prefer writing md to svg to do my slides before I use that
<yorickpeterse> heh
<ndrst> maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing. judging from all the indesign slides with colors and 3 words on them.
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, xsw might be an option
<yorickpeterse> hmpf, last commit in 2009
<yorickpeterse> great
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<yorickpeterse> ok Impress crashed multiple times in a row now
<yorickpeterse> and I lost 2 slides
<yorickpeterse> great
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<ndrst> wow had no idea that this can happen!
<yorickpeterse> >:|
<yorickpeterse> at least the font rendering is ok
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<ndrst> but seriously in 2014 and software can not make a backup?
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<ndrst> argh english. -> bed
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<yorickpeterse> what's a backup?
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<drbrain> seriously in 2014 software crashes?
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<yorickpeterse> drbrain: I take it you've never used Ruby?
<yorickpeterse> :>
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<drbrain> ☺
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<drbrain> I don't think I've hit a segfault in a released ruby in a while, at least
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<centrx> yorickpeterse, It's your code that's crashing, not Ruby
<yorickpeterse> totally
<yorickpeterse> People told me Node never crashes
<yorickpeterse> I should totally use Node
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<yorickpeterse> is it bad if I actually think Comic sans looks OK in my slides?
<yorickpeterse> I wonder how many tickets to hell that will get me
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<xybre> Yes its bad.
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<drbrain> is it better or worse to pick a font that looks like Comic Sans but isn't?
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<xybre> It's better if the font is better, worse if the font is worse.
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<drbrain> what if you're just doing it to troll
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<drbrain> ?
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<loincloth> hey you guys ever notice how comic sans is kind of a bad font?
<wallerdev> i like it
<loincloth> it would be funny if somebody made fun of it!!1
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<loincloth> because it's so bad lolol
<drbrain> I'm trying to move on to making fun of people who make fun of comic sans
<loincloth> i'm there
<loincloth> join me
<drbrain> I want to be more subtle though
<loincloth> wallerdev isn't invited for replying to my first volley seriously
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<loincloth> and now you're banned for questioning my subtlety
<wallerdev> :)
<wallerdev> thank you
<drbrain> ☹
<loincloth> just kidding everyone is invited
<loincloth> but there is nowhere to go
<drbrain> \o/
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