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<
zcdny >
i want to upgrade my ruby version from 1.9.2, but i don't know which version intend to upgrade, 2.0.0 or 2.1.2,
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zcdny >
which one will be good
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linyu >
anybody here ?
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havenwood >
zcdny: 2.1.2 is good
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<
mister_integer >
Has anybody seen versioning issues running ruby from vim?
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<
mister_integer >
`ruby -v` => 1.9.3
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<
mister_integer >
`vim` >> `:!ruby -v` => 2.0.0
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* Nilium
shanks fowl
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<
Nilium >
PROBLEM SOLVED
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mister_integer >
vim, the popular text editor :P
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<
whitequark >
Nilium: that's really rude
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<
maloik >
ljarvis: you didn't make it to bacon after all then?
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<
yorickpeterse >
mornign
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<
yorickpeterse >
* morning
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chris2 >
does core ruby have a normal distributed rng?
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<
apeiros >
I don't think so
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<
chris2 >
i misremembered it then
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* chris2
goes code box-muller
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darix >
chris2: distrubed RNG, ... I would definitely trust that.
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chris2 >
yeah, need a self-contained solution tho
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darix >
chris2: the fun part is ... if you talk to such service you want encryption, which requires entropy already. ;p
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darix >
chris2: why not fix the systems ability to provide randomness for you?
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badeball >
darix: 'normal distributed' in relation to random numbers does not mean a service
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<
chris2 >
i just need some noise for a model
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<
darix >
badeball: well yes.
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darix >
badeball: i just had that discussion a few weeks ago
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<
darix >
about "Randomness as a service"
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<
darix >
people really thought that was a good idea.
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<
apeiros >
random ideas as a service
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* apeiros
used ziggurat or somesuch last time
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chris2 >
yeah, too much work for this small exercise :P
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* apeiros
assumed box-muller was one such transformation
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chris2 >
found that already
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<
ljarvis >
maloik: no unfortunately not, some stuff came up
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<
yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: POOK POOK POOK
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apeiros >
I really need to get all my source code from old computers on this one
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apeiros >
oh, found it
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apeiros >
no guarantees
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also written long before core got Random
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maloik >
ljarvis: :-(
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yorickpeterse >
apeiros: dat crypto
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: quoi?
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yorickpeterse >
que?
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: which crypto?
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yorickpeterse >
apeiros: probably should've dat "dat RNG"
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yorickpeterse >
* said
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yorickpeterse >
darn it
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yorickpeterse >
My Engrish
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apeiros >
well, not much work of my own in it
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apeiros >
mostly just translated some code to ruby iirc
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yorickpeterse >
Next TODO: push 34 Gems to RubyGems
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yorickpeterse >
then add 4 accounts to every single one of them as an owner
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yorickpeterse >
RubyGems would be nicer if it had organizations
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gnufied >
whoa, slow there champ!
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yorickpeterse >
eh?
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gnufied >
pushing 34 gems!
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yorickpeterse >
open sauce too
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yorickpeterse >
Once we get the green light we unleash the kraken on Github
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yorickpeterse >
which means going through 74 repositories and manually making them public ._.
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yorickpeterse >
My Github contributions graph is going to look so awesome when we open this
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yorickpeterse >
(assuming one would care)
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yorickpeterse >
18 Gems down, 16 more to go
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gnufied >
we not your command line ps2931
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ps2931 >
typed it by mistake
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apeiros >
gnufied -h
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Try 'gnufied --help' for more information.
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apeiros >
gnufied --version
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apeiros >
gnufied --help
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yorickpeterse >
Unrecognized option: --version
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yorickpeterse >
Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.
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yorickpeterse >
^ java
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I don't like it when CLIs don't use a standard pattern for help options
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apeiros >
"damn it." is an interesting version
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* apeiros
wonders whether that's a codename
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If you're using Thin then probably
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They have codenames like "Bat Shit Crazy" or w/e it was
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Elastic search gives weird names to the nodes
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"[cluster.service ] [Cameron Hodge] new_master"
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I notice it keeps changing between restarts
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gnufied >
[2014-05-19 12:07:16,273][INFO ][cluster.service ] [Warhawk] new_master [Warhawk]
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no "damn it" though yet
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xybre >
I have a project that automatically names nodes using collections of syllables. The name generator was the most fun part.
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yorickpeterse >
Right, I think I better prepare this talk I'm supposed to give tomorrow afternoon
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<
yorickpeterse >
something something I was supposed to do this last Caturday
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yorickpeterse: what kind of stuff is going out?
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<
yorickpeterse >
eh?
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yorickpeterse >
You mean what the talk is about?
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|jemc| >
I think he means the stuff getting 'open sauced'
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yorickpeterse >
oh right, slowpoke ndrst
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yorickpeterse >
It's basically a whole suite of natural language processing/analysis stuff
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yorickpeterse >
It uses Python, Ruby, Java and Perl
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ndrst >
haha slowpoke? sorry I am not reading 24/7 and see IRC as kind of async.
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yorickpeterse >
in Gems
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ndrst >
sounds interesting tough.
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yorickpeterse >
ndrst: tssk tssk
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yorickpeterse >
oh I forgot we also compile some C stuff upon installation
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ndrst >
yaya. It's enough that I get pinged on my phone when someone calls me here
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yorickpeterse >
Because in the language processing industry it's normal to use 15 different languages and tools
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yorickpeterse >
Read up
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yorickpeterse >
Plenty of Java
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yorickpeterse >
Actually Java was the least problematic
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yorickpeterse >
We're using JRuby for that
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yorickpeterse >
Funny enough Python was the biggest pain
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ndrst >
oh. sorry have aparently a built in java filter by now
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yorickpeterse >
Because apparently packaging in Python is even more fucked up than anywhere else
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ndrst >
but. why would you pack it all ito gems?
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yorickpeterse >
Historically these tools are total disaster to install, no guarantee about version stability either
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yorickpeterse >
They're written by researchers who know the algos/research but not how to code it
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yorickpeterse >
Basically they can talk the talk but not walk the talk
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yorickpeterse >
(or w/e it was)
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yorickpeterse >
So we take care of that
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ndrst >
so you use rubygems to distribute them no matter what lang?
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yorickpeterse >
also running `gem install foobar` is easier than having to install 5 different parts of which 3 are most likely not available in even apt
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yorickpeterse >
Yes
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yorickpeterse >
Granted we might loosen that up over time depending on how stable things get
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ndrst >
how do you deal with the python dependencies?
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ndrst >
an impressive number tough
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yorickpeterse >
So basically every Gem that needs external deps has two categories of dependencies: pre-build and pre-install
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yorickpeterse >
pre-build is what gets slapped in when building the Gem
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yorickpeterse >
pre-install gets handled upon Gem installation
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yorickpeterse >
For Python we require Pip to be available and install stuff in to the Gem directory itself
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yorickpeterse >
easy_install is a total joke for this so we had to require pip
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yorickpeterse >
Though even pip can not properly install stuff in to a fully isolated directory
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ndrst >
sounds still like a pain in a way
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yorickpeterse >
actually it shouldn't involve user interaction in any way, given Pip is available
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yorickpeterse >
which we check upon installation
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yorickpeterse >
It's not ideal, a native package would be better
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yorickpeterse >
But that means having to deal with 9000 different package managers
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yorickpeterse >
and then oh shit OS X doesn't have an actual package manager
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yorickpeterse >
it has 3 different hacks that are not ideal
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gnufied >
appstore!
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ndrst >
had any troubles with different os versions?
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yorickpeterse >
get out
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ndrst >
you could have tried a homebrew approach ?
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yorickpeterse >
ndrst: the only trouble we had initially was some group of team members only having Python 2.6 available
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gnufied >
wonder if appstore accepts cli apps
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yorickpeterse >
when we required 2.7
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ndrst >
up next then packing node.js stuff into rubygems?
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dvorak >
ndrst: rails already does that
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yorickpeterse >
ndrst: ha ha Node.js
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yorickpeterse >
Node is not proper enterprise, thus it's not used in the NLP world
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yorickpeterse >
Most folks do their stuff in either Java or Python
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ndrst >
but but you could do async shizzel with it.
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yorickpeterse >
also fuck you libreoffice impress
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ndrst >
yeah when I looked into it this topic it was mostly java.
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yorickpeterse >
It keeps freezing when I try to set a background colour in a slide :<
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ndrst >
ah yeah your talk?!
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yorickpeterse >
I'm trying to get a fucking pink background with comic sans
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yorickpeterse >
LibreOffice doesn't like that it seems
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gnufied >
libressl likes comic sans though
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gnufied >
sad you can't make presentations with it
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yorickpeterse >
Pretty sure Theo would haunt you forever if you tried
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igalic >
yorickpeterse: I had a pink shirt with white comic sans: YAY! PINK SHIRT!
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ndrst >
pretty sure you could create keys that look like slides
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ndrst >
thank god ssh at least works over 64 kbts
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yorickpeterse >
cat /dev/urandom > libreoffice
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yorickpeterse >
errr
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ndrst >
but srsly why use libre office?
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ndrst >
ists such a sad OSS tool
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RhadaX_ >
is there some french rubyiste ???
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centrx >
You're using libreoffice to code Ruby?
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yorickpeterse >
If there's anything better I'll take it
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yorickpeterse >
Most of the stuff I've found is hacked together CLI presentation tools
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yorickpeterse >
I require the ability to use Comic sans, at least
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yorickpeterse >
plus I had libreoffice impress installed (not the rest, just impress)
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yorickpeterse >
oooooh nice, I can set my background to a built-in image of a Rose that looks like it's from 1995
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ndrst >
mhh if you have latex installed go for beamer with a custom style
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yorickpeterse >
blegh, latex
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ndrst >
or emacs with orgmode
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ndrst >
I am not a fan of this markdown to JS tools
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yorickpeterse >
I've used Pandoc in the past for CVs and such (Markdown -> Latex) but meh
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ndrst >
plain makdown and then adjust the font and colors of your editor?
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ndrst >
hungry and all I have at home is tomato
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ndrst >
why the hell would you try to make pink slides?
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ndrst >
omg rubypython?
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yorickpeterse >
Because I like annoying people
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yorickpeterse >
but I think I'll use a background image instead
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yorickpeterse >
because the UI is...ugh
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yorickpeterse >
"While creating professional looking (with pretty graphics and other whatnots etc :D) presentations in GNU/Linux, office productivity suites such as LibreOffice, OpenOffice, KOffice and Caligra are widely used because they’re user friendly and rich in features."
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yorickpeterse >
ha ha
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yorickpeterse >
user friendly my butt
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ndrst >
I would prefer writing md to svg to do my slides before I use that
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yorickpeterse >
heh
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ndrst >
maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing. judging from all the indesign slides with colors and 3 words on them.
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yorickpeterse >
Hm, xsw might be an option
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yorickpeterse >
hmpf, last commit in 2009
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yorickpeterse >
great
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yorickpeterse >
ok Impress crashed multiple times in a row now
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yorickpeterse >
and I lost 2 slides
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yorickpeterse >
great
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ndrst >
wow had no idea that this can happen!
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yorickpeterse >
>:|
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yorickpeterse >
at least the font rendering is ok
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ndrst >
but seriously in 2014 and software can not make a backup?
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ndrst >
argh english. -> bed
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yorickpeterse >
what's a backup?
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drbrain >
seriously in 2014 software crashes?
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yorickpeterse >
drbrain: I take it you've never used Ruby?
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drbrain >
I don't think I've hit a segfault in a released ruby in a while, at least
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centrx >
yorickpeterse, It's your code that's crashing, not Ruby
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yorickpeterse >
totally
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yorickpeterse >
People told me Node never crashes
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yorickpeterse >
I should totally use Node
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yorickpeterse >
is it bad if I actually think Comic sans looks OK in my slides?
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yorickpeterse >
I wonder how many tickets to hell that will get me
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xybre >
Yes its bad.
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drbrain >
is it better or worse to pick a font that looks like Comic Sans but isn't?
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xybre >
It's better if the font is better, worse if the font is worse.
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drbrain >
what if you're just doing it to troll
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loincloth >
hey you guys ever notice how comic sans is kind of a bad font?
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wallerdev >
i like it
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loincloth >
it would be funny if somebody made fun of it!!1
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loincloth >
because it's so bad lolol
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drbrain >
I'm trying to move on to making fun of people who make fun of comic sans
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loincloth >
i'm there
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loincloth >
join me
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drbrain >
I want to be more subtle though
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loincloth >
wallerdev isn't invited for replying to my first volley seriously
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loincloth >
and now you're banned for questioning my subtlety
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wallerdev >
thank you
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loincloth >
just kidding everyone is invited
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loincloth >
but there is nowhere to go
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