<ph88>
how can i see which version of ZenTest i need to run on ruby 1.8 ?
<zenspider>
that's from a bug in rubygems
<zenspider>
update rubygems
<zenspider>
uninstall zentest
<zenspider>
nuke that gemspec file, since it gets cached
<zenspider>
reinstall zentest
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<ph88>
ok thanks it looks good with the install
<ph88>
now i have 2 ruby versions on my pc
<ph88>
irb(main):001:0> require 'php' --> LoadError: no such file to load -- php
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<wallerdev>
probably need to install the gem on your other ruby still
<wallerdev>
and possibly require rubygems depending how old your ruby is
<zenspider>
1.8, so yeah
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<wallerdev>
i feel like irb required rubygems in 1.8.6 automatically
<wallerdev>
i know at one point they changed it, and require 'rubygems' would return false, and then they had to fix it so it returned true because people were getting confused
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<ph88>
D:/dev/Ruby187/lib/ruby/1.8/rdoc/rdoc.rb:280: warning: conflicting chdir during another chdir block
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<sarkyniin>
oh I added indentation on the second item
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<sarkyniin>
ugh.
<sarkyniin>
is there even a way to make a save file in ruby that can't be decrypted?
<sarkyniin>
making a game is a pain, since the user can just look at the encryption method used in the rb file and decrypt it.
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<badeball>
sarkyniin: if you can read, then a user can read it (in the end, it will necessarily be present in memory). anything else is just obfuscation.
<sarkyniin>
badeball: yeah, I know that.
<sarkyniin>
I can just hope players won't try to cheat ;_;
<sarkyniin>
that's no fun anyway
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<badeball>
if it's offline and singleplayer, does it really matter?
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<sarkyniin>
not really
<sarkyniin>
but I'd rather not make the game piss easy to cheat
<badeball>
I remember hacking on cs back in the day, and it was pretty much a cat-and-mouse game between cheaters and anti-cheating mechanisms
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<sarkyniin>
also, the ruby-doc website shows "loading" indefinitely when making a search for me.
<sarkyniin>
Is it the same for other people?
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<|jemc|>
it does that sometimes
<badeball>
sarkyniin: not for me at this very momement, but I usually just use google directly ('ruby <your keyword>'), as ruby-doc's search is almost just that
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<Gilles>
re
<Gilles>
test
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<centrx>
It worked!
<Gilles>
Thanks haha
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<Gilles>
Damn it's really hard to learn Ruby after Processing. In Processing you hit play the code run, in Ruby, it's like becoming an adult, you can't simply press play anymore haha
* centrx
looks up Processing
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<centrx>
Gilles, Also note there are two Ruby channels on Freenode, #ruby is the other one
<Gilles>
Any difference ?
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<centrx>
#ruby is more active, #ruby-lang is referenced on the official Ruby website
<centrx>
Both have some unique participants who refuse to join the opposite channel
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<Gilles>
Ok haha, didn't expected that from the MINSWAN community
<centrx>
Maybe "refuse" is too strong a word
<centrx>
Each channel has people who are not in the other one
<Gilles>
ok
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<Gilles>
Tell me if its the wrong place to ask (the #ruby chan seems more technical), after finishing codecademy ruby tutorial where should I go next (My first goals are to create a text editor (mac window and linux if possible) with moving text and a webchat for stranger to share metaphysical question) any guess ?
<agarie>
Read someone else's code
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<agarie>
It's one of the best ways to learn about a language :P
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<centrx>
Gilles, Rails and Thor are two major Ruby projects that have clean, Ruby-idiomatic code
<znow>
hi everybody
<centrx>
Gilles, So you can see how best practices are implemented in practice
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<centrx>
Hellow znow
<Gilles>
But rails seems like a huge thing for a beginner no ?
<Gilles>
hi znow
<havenwood>
Gilles: Fun to learn how to cut a gem, if you haven't yet.
<havenwood>
+1 read code
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<centrx>
Gilles, That's true -- though there are easily digestible parts of Rails you could look at
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<centrx>
Gilles, I would add in contrast to the reading code, that doing is often helpful as well
<Gilles>
The problem of codecademy is that you do code online but when I still doesn't know how to create an app. To cut a gem means check the source code. (ps: thanks for answers)
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<centrx>
Gilles, gem cutting is making a gem, which is a usable package of your code for use by others
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<havenwood>
Gilles: For creating an app, i'd highly recommend looking at Sinatra or Hobbit.
<centrx>
Gilles, I think you may be at an earlier stage of learning though
<havenwood>
Gilles: Create a Sinatra app and a gem! :)
<havenwood>
FiXato: Think more minimalist than Sinatra (and easier code for someone new to read).
<havenwood>
FiXato: Rack with a little sugar.
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<Gilles>
Ok thanks, yes i'm a beginner =) I don't know how to use ruby outside terminal or codecademy.
<FiXato>
I see :)
<centrx>
Gilles, Get started on the text editor and at each step along the way, ask yourself and the Internet and here: What am I doing and how do I do it best?
<centrx>
That's probably good advice for everything
<Gilles>
but the main thing is the how to go from terminal to text editor
<Gilles>
By the way thanks guy
<centrx>
Gilles, Okay, so there must be some standard way to show screen output
<Gilles>
I take note of what you said it s a bit reassuring
<centrx>
Gilles, The Unix standard is curses, but that is a pain to work with, so there may be a nice ruby library (gem) for it
<Gilles>
ok
<centrx>
Gilles, That would be for a text-based text editor. For a GUI, it's the same thing, there's some GUI library for Ruby, like "Shoes" is one
<agarie>
I'm against reading Rails
<agarie>
There are other projects easier to digest at first
<centrx>
Reading only ActiveSupport I guess I mean
<centrx>
ActiveSupport has a lot of small utility methods that don't interact with each other.
<agarie>
well, if you already know something about metaprogramming, Sinatra is quite small (less than 2k lines of code iirc)
<agarie>
ah right, ActiveSupport is a good one indeed
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<agarie>
Jekyll is interesting as well, there are lots of file/directory handling in case you aren't familiar with it yet
<Gilles>
ok I copy the chat in a text and start
<Gilles>
I'll be back here soon. Thank you. Soon you'll see my first apps