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<microdex> Can anyone think of a reason Unicorn would be swollowing logs and timing out?
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<imperator> rubygems 2.3 released
<imperator> microdex, what platform? does it do its own logging or use syslog?
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<microdex> Ubuntu 12.10
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<imperator> middleware swallowing it maybe?
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<unsymbol> moin
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<maloik> def notify_om_support_a_domain_on_a_chefable_server_is_pushed_from_an_old_server(subdomain)
<maloik> nice and descriptive
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<apeiros> not very concise :) but I'd take that over noms_dpushed or somesuch
<yorickpeterse> code is self documenting
<maloik> absolutely :)
<whitequark> I once had an idea for a language that is literally self-documenting
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<whitequark> every single function is a compound German noun that is both executable and describes what it does
<apeiros> whitequark: you read knuth's literate programming?
<whitequark> I know what WEB is. that's too sane
<yorickpeterse> Why German?
<yorickpeterse> Why not runic?
<whitequark> because no other language I know of has compound nouns
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<yorickpeterse> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U16A0.pdf haha, this even exists
<maloik> I'm pretty sure dutch has compound nouns?
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<whitequark> of course it does, it even has Linear B
<whitequark> and there's a proposal to add tengwar but it's kinda in limbo
<yorickpeterse> srsly
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<yorickpeterse> New years resolution: invent a writing script, get it in the Unicode spec
<yorickpeterse> I wonder if it does Klingon
<yorickpeterse> "In September 1997, Michael Everson made a proposal for encoding this in Unicode.[2] The Unicode Technical Committee rejected the Klingon proposal in May 2001 on the grounds that research showed almost no use of the script for communication, and the vast majority of the people who did use Klingon employed the Latin alphabet by preference"
<yorickpeterse> Oh, so that they *do* reject
<whitequark> sure
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<yorickpeterse> Fuckers
<whitequark> #yorickpeterse-hates-unicode-consortium
<yorickpeterse> Yeah and screw the W3 while we're at it
<yorickpeterse> corrupt bastards
<whitequark> no, don't screw W3C, we don't need more of it
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<yorickpeterse> They lost their credibility when they bent over to the big evil corporations and specced DRM
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<whitequark> I don't get what all the fuss around DRM is even about
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* whitequark gets the torrent for the latest GoT episode
<gpg_> i think this is more of a ruby question so will post here
<gpg_> how do I pass value to query in this example?
<gpg_> post here first then ror
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<gpg_> how can i make a method only set a variable from parameter? like so: def method(id)
<gpg_> def method(id)
<gpg_> @id = id
<gpg_> end
<gpg_> doesnt seem valid because variable needs to be initialized?
<gpg_> but i just want method to se that variable and nothing else
<gpg_> *set
<Mon_Ouie> What variable needs to be initialized?
<gpg_> @id
<Mon_Ouie> You're initializing it right there to id
<gpg_> maybe its because i am calling it on a Model.method
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<Mon_Ouie> But what is the actual problem then?
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<Mon_Ouie> Oh, I see. That's because it's a class variable — not an instance variable — and @@variable_id wasn't set at the time when product_counts was called.
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<zenspider> gah
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<yorickpeterse> hihi, co-worker cursing in Greek
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<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/uutils/coreutils ooooh, I think this will be the new Atwood's law
<yorickpeterse> Everything that can be rewritten in Rust will eventually be rewritten in Rust
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<ddfreyne> I think we should just use one single language and let every programmer use that.
<yorickpeterse> Yes, I vote we all use Bash
<ddfreyne> I think Visual Basic is a good choice, because it's easy to learn so that we don't exclude anybody
<whitequark> ddfreyne: fuck you
<gnufied> lol
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<yorickpeterse> Oh neat, Chrome now decided that desktop notifications are supposed to be sticky
<yorickpeterse> So now I have to manually close them
<yorickpeterse> grrrr
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<gnufied> any chruby user here? how do run a executable which was installed via a gem (such as bundler) with sudo on Linux?
<gnufied> the documented approach seems to be use - sudo chruby-exec
<gnufied> except, chruby-exec only preserves path in which ruby was installed
<yorickpeterse> chruby-exec is a buggy mess
<gnufied> not path where gems are installing their executables
<yorickpeterse> the proposed way for Cron is super flaky too
<yorickpeterse> This is what I use for crons:
<yorickpeterse> I could not get chruby-exec to work
<gnufied> drat then. it seems another option is to change linux security policy to preserve environment variables on sudo
<gnufied> sudo -E is supposed to do that
<gnufied> but it is dictated by security policy, so not entirely.
<gnufied> chruby tries hard to be user offensive imo. :(
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<gnufied> i just can't get what they document to work
<yorickpeterse> chruby is a bit of a pita yes on server environments
<yorickpeterse> inb4 don't use chruby in production, get off my lawn
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<darix> gnufied: you can configure in sudoers which vars to keep
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<gnufied> darix: i know.
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<foucist> hey folks
<foucist> is there a good way to add parens to all method definitions in a ruby codebase ?
<foucist> def foo blah => def foo(blah)
<foucist> i suppose i can do it with sed
<whitequark> not that I know out of the box, but I've described something similar here: http://whitequark.org/blog/2013/04/26/lets-play-with-ruby-code/
<foucist> would be neat to know about scripts for enforcing style guides though
<whitequark> that would be rubocop
<foucist> whitequark: interesting
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<foucist> whitequark: parser + rubocop.. on the fly fixing? ;)
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<whitequark> it's possible but I think not done
<apeiros> foucist: rubocop already includes a couple of automatic fixing
<apeiros> and I'm quite sure it uses one of the ruby parsers (not sure whether it uses whitequark's)
<whitequark> it uses mine
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<foucist> ah
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<TvL2386> been banging my head to the wall for a few hours now... I have an http post that needs to send a form and add query parameters in the url
<TvL2386> trying to convert it from Curb to Net::HTTP
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<TvL2386> ah, I can add the query parameters to the form of course... I'm such a noob
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<|jemc|> anyone aware of a tool or resource for detecting the language of a code snippet if I don't recognize it?
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<apeiros> |jemc|: github has something
<apeiros> they've opensourced it, so I'd expect it to be under /github
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<|jemc|> jhass: I'm pretty sure github/linguist basically works by file extension
<jhass> "Most languages are detected by their file extension. For disambiguating between files with common extensions, we first apply some common-sense heuristics to pick out obvious languages. After that, we use a statistical classifier. This process can help us tell the difference between, for example, .h files which could be either C, C++, or Obj-C."
<|jemc|> in this case, I don't have a file extension
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<gnufied> then, it should fallback to statistical analysis?
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<mustmodify> I'm wondering if something is possible, but I doubt it. I want to instantiate a class with a lambda, a lambda and a hash, or a hash... and just have it automatically assign one or the other. def new( app = lambda{}, atts = {});end; ... I guess I could use type checking.
<jhass> def initialize(app, atts={}); if app.is_a? Hash; atts = app; app = default_lambda; end .... is the most common way I've seen
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<mustmodify> jhass: yep, that's what I'll do. In terms of a defined interface it's a bit sloppy but also nice... so I have mixed feelings about it. :S
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<mustmodify> so I'm pretty sure I have this but just ... looking for confirmation. Lambdas keep the scope of wherever they were created... so a lambda can do something like lambda { @x.new(@y)} where @x and @y are instance variables, and that's guaranteed to work?
<drbrain> mustmodify: correct
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<mustmodify> that's ... both disturbing and intriguing.
<mustmodify> drbrain: thanks for the confirmation. Seems like there must be a lot of overhead in keeping that context around... is that a big memory sink? Or is it not a big issue?
<workmad3> mustmodify: with ivars, it will depend on how the lambda is executed
<workmad3> mustmodify: as it's possible to change the 'self' context of a lambda with instance_eval, which will change ivars... but not local variables
<toretore> but instance_eval isn't really "executing the lambda"
<toretore> imo
<toretore> it's a special construct
<workmad3> toretore: the lambda gets run ;)
<toretore> sure, but you can't make your own instance_eval for example
<drbrain> mustmodify: fancier languages keep around only what is directly referenced but ruby keeps around the scope where the lambda was created
<drbrain> so you can accidentally hold on to "too much"
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<workmad3> toretore: sure... but my point was that, when dealing with stuff that uses 'self' either implictly or explicitly within a lambda or proc then yes, it can change depending on how the lambda is invoked
<workmad3> toretore: which you can't necessarily tell when you pass a lambda into something else as a callback of some form
<toretore> sure, it's a valid point
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<toretore> though, *something something about not accessing ivars directly* cc apeiros
<workmad3> toretore: :D
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<mustmodify> drbrain: I guess what I'm asking is whether that's typically makes a big impact on the size of what's in memory, or is relatively small? Obviously that will depend on the app... so there may not be a good answer.
<drbrain> mustmodify: depends on how long the lambda lives before GC and how much was on the stack when it was created
<drbrain> err, in the context
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<crankharder> anyone have an example of a gem autoloading a glob of files inside itself? that is, foo_gem knows how to require all files here: lib/foo_gem/nested_folder/*
<crankharder> I want to be able to just add files in that path and them be required/available
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<crankharder> Dir.glob("foo_gem/nested_folder") is empty - I suspect becase pwd is local to whatever app has included the gem
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