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<johncash> If I have some code I want to run on some data like foo(data), should I create a proc or a method? This method/proc won't be called on the instance of the class or the class itself
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<johncash> it's only used internally by the class
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<drbrain> I create a method
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<ari-_-e> johncash: does it use instance variables?
<johncash> ari-_-e: nope
<ari-_-e> is there actually any reason to put it inside the class, if it doesn't use anything from the class?
<johncash> ari-_-e: the only time it's used it for data inside the class
<johncash> what other class would I put it into?
<johncash> it uses data inside the class but it's passed explicitly not as an instance variable
<ari-_-e> a method is fine
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<johncash> then when *is* a good idea to use a proc? are they pretty much only used as blocks in ruby?
<pipework> johncash: Nope. I use them to not evaluate something until it's called.
<johncash> methods don't evaluate anything until they're called…?
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<pipework> johncash: You make an interesting point. You could just wrap what you'd type as proc { Time.now - @oven.started_at } into a class that has a call method or a method you call, but why bother?
<pipework> I could see arguments on both sides that I'd agree with. What do you think?
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<johncash> i think that i do not know enough to make the best decision thus i chose to ask on irc
<pipework> Well, don't you think that the proc and lambda syntaxes are pretty clean, clear, and under control?
<pipework> If you feel like the code in that lambda doesn't belong where it is, or it deserves to be a method, or deserves its own class, then do it. I'd start by writing the proc or private method unless it's going to be a part of the object's public interface. I like using procs in hash arguments too sometimes.
<johncash> ah like passing a proc as an argument
<johncash> that's a good litmus probably. asking "Am I going to explicitly pass this function to someone"
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<pipework> johncash: You can do the same with Object#method though.
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<pipework> johncash: receiver.method_name(callback: method(:my_callback))
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<johncash> yeah but if you're going to jump through hoops like that, it seems pretty obvious that a proc is called for
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<pipework> For example: User.invite(email: 'joe@minaswan.co.jp', success: method(:successfully_invited))
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<pipework> One could also just use :successfully_invited if the receiver knows who to send the message to.
<pipework> Get creative if you want.
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<Gendalph> I have a quick question: if I love Perl, how good are my chances to love Ruby?
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<zenspider> Gendalph: lots borrowed from perl, so pretty good?
<Gendalph> zenojis, I think good enough to try it
<Gendalph> thx
<zenspider> n/p
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<Rich_Morin_> I have a Rakefile (http://pastie.org/9259921) which seems to run OK, but doesn't multitask. Help?
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<Rich_Morin_> nm
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<kingpong1> #rubyonrails
<kingpong1> just dont know how to join it without typing it with #
<kingpong1> in channel
<kingpong1> soz
<kingpong1> :)
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<FiXato> /join #rubyonrails
<maloik> you just type /join #channel
<kingpong1> ok
<FiXato> try that command kingpong1 :)
<FiXato> anything starting with a / will be parsed as a command
<kingpong1> FiXato: kool :)
<[spoiler]> hello folk
<yorickpeterse> morning
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<[spoiler]> I have a tangential question. Is there a way to convert encoding from one format to another? Someone cock up their database and for some reason, when we backed up the database, all the encoding got fucked up?
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<[spoiler]> Like, it's unicode but all instances of "š" for example now looks as "Å¡" lol
<[spoiler]> I suppose i could do a literal search/replace for those characters and and fix it, but it's still bizarre...
<yorickpeterse> force_encoding
<yorickpeterse> >> "Å¡".force_encoding('UTF-8')
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => "š" (https://eval.in/159114)
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<yorickpeterse> That modifies the string in place btw
<[spoiler]> Oh!
<yorickpeterse> >> "Å¡".encode('UTF-8')
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => "š" (https://eval.in/159115)
<yorickpeterse> that doesn't
<[spoiler]> yorickpeterse <3
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: uh, force_encoding and encode do two completely different things…
<apeiros> >> Encoding.default_internal
<eval-in> apeiros => nil (https://eval.in/159119)
<apeiros> >> Encoding.default_external
<eval-in> apeiros => #<Encoding:UTF-8> (https://eval.in/159120)
<apeiros> >> ENV["LANG"]
<eval-in> apeiros => "en_US.UTF-8" (https://eval.in/159121)
<[spoiler]> gid, is there a way to do this conversion through SQL directly? :s I feel like using ruby is overkill
<apeiros> ..>> "Å¡".encode('UTF-8') # => "š" # <-- that's weird…
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<apeiros> >> "Å¡".encoding
<eval-in> apeiros => #<Encoding:UTF-8> (https://eval.in/159122)
<apeiros> interesting - the output on eval.in differs
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<apeiros> that might explain why eval-in has generally some issues with pasting unicode in the channel
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<[spoiler]> yeah it does
<[spoiler]> lmao
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<[spoiler]> on eval.in it's just "Å¡"
<apeiros> which it should be
<apeiros> because you input "Å¡" as utf-8 and it stays utf-8 in both operations. so no change in either case.
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<[spoiler]> oh f/
<[spoiler]> which encoding does the bot pass from irc though?
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<[spoiler]> because ` "Å¡".force_encoding('UTF-8') # => š` is the desired output :P
<apeiros> I'm not quite sure. I expected it to be all unicode (utf-8), but above behavior indicates there's a transcoding happening somewhere
<apeiros> [spoiler]: above works if your editor is using win-1252
<[spoiler]> ah.
<apeiros> i.e. open a file, put that code in and save it as win-1252. then run it. should print "š" (well, add a puts, obviously :D)
<apeiros> all force_encoding does is set the encoding attribute on the string. it does not change any bytes.
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<apeiros> encode on the other hand will convert the content of the string if source and destination encoding differ
<[spoiler]> apeiros, that's to be expected though
<apeiros> yes. "to be expected" and "people *know* that it's to be expected" are different
<apeiros> and "know why it's to be expected" even more so :)
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<[spoiler]> hmm
<[spoiler]> I wonder if there's a way to do this directly in SQL lmao
<[spoiler]> also, why are encodings always such a mess :|
<yorickpeterse> Either way, in general String#encode / String#force_encoding is a way to deal with encoding pains
<yorickpeterse> But you should of course solve that on input level whenever possible
<apeiros> [spoiler]: encoding stuff is database dependent
<apeiros> but yes, oracle e.g. provides functions/procedures. I'd bet so does postgres.
<[spoiler]> apeiros, it's odd because (it's MySQL), because this broke only after the database was backed up
<[spoiler]> well, restred from backup
<apeiros> sounds like you had broken settings
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<apeiros> i.e. exported it as win-1252 and then reimported it as utf-8
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<yorickpeterse> FYI I also think MySQL doesn't implement UTF8 as UTF8 or something
<yorickpeterse> it had some oddity with it where it wasn't actual UTF8
<apeiros> actually it'd be the other way round. export properly. import as win-1252, treat the converted as utf-8
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<apeiros> if I were you, I'd properly test db restoration to avoid that problem in the future…
<[spoiler]> apeiros, lol, it's their unmanaged VPS, they just asked for help
<[spoiler]> we don't mess with unmanaged vps settings :/
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<kingpong1> and this one
<yorickpeterse> kingpong1: ?
<kingpong1> any help on these would be great I alread yasked on #rubyonrails
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<kingpong1> yorickpeterse: i want to convert raw sql to rails query
<kingpong1> yorickpeterse: just need a pointer
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<[spoiler]> kingpong1, what's a "rails query?"
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<whitequark> activerecord, I guess
<[spoiler]> So, just make them models
<[spoiler]> and use the methods rails provides
<[spoiler]> well, activerecord provides
<yorickpeterse> [spoiler]: way to miss the point
<kingpong1> [spoiler]: ok will not as rails question
<[spoiler]> I'm confused now
<yorickpeterse> [spoiler]: if you look at the gist you can see they are using stuff AR provides
<yorickpeterse> They're just trying to convert a literal SQL query to those methods
<[spoiler]> oh, I didn't look at the gist lmao
<yorickpeterse> ...
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* yorickpeterse likes slapping people and randomly picks [spoiler] to slap
<[spoiler]> LOL
<kingpong1> yorickpeterse: [spoiler] u r fun :)
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<[spoiler]> mother f* this charset is stupid
<[spoiler]> charset thing
<FiXato> kingpong1, have a look at http://guides.rubyonrails.org/active_record_querying.html and then start building up your active record find chain using those methods to retrieve the data you want. I would start with first doing the joins/includes till you have a result that has the fields you want, and then trim it down to the minimum necessary by chaining on where(), select() and any limits/offsets and
<FiXato> group/having you need. Take incremental steps, so you know where your data selection starts going wrong :)
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<FiXato> Don't look too much at your original query; start from scratch and add the activerecord chains you need :)
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<kingpong1> FiXato: u make sense :)
<kingpong1> FiXato: cheers
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<[spoiler]> I hate silly clients like this.
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<yorickpeterse> so I'm not a secret agent, but having to go to starbucks to crawl some websites feels close to it
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<apeiros> got your company IPs blocked? :D
<yorickpeterse> No, not yet
<yorickpeterse> But everybody is like "ooooh be careful boooo"
<yorickpeterse> so I went to starbucks to do my thing there
<yorickpeterse> Our office network is shit toay so can't use any proxies really
<yorickpeterse> * today
<yorickpeterse> running out of tea though..
<yorickpeterse> (of course I only bought a 2 euro cup of tea, because i'm cheap)
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<yorickpeterse> I wonder how many people are listening in on this wifi network
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<apeiros> can't you put it on expenses?
<apeiros> heh, at railsconf, you could see everybodys irc password :)
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<yorickpeterse> well good thing I'm tunneling that over SSH
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<benlovell> yorickpeterse: are you coming to brighton in july?
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<Ainieco> hello
<Ainieco> not sure where to ask it better but facing this issue while doing ruby so i'll ask here if you odn't mind
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<Ainieco> 1 | 2 | 4 == 7; how to remove arbitrary part of "1 | 2 | 4" having just 7?
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<Ainieco> is it just "-"?
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* Ainieco sucks at bitwise logic
<apeiros> I don't really understand your question
<apeiros> you mean you have 7 and want to remove the 2 from it?
<apeiros> i.e. 7 <???> 2 == 1 | 4
<Ainieco> apeiros: right
<Ainieco> apeiros: i can check if 2 is in 7 by "(7 & 2) == 2"
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<apeiros> well, if all your numbers are powers of 2, + and - will work
<Ainieco> but how to remove 2 from 7, looks like it just a "-" but not sure if it's correct
<Ainieco> apeiros: yep, they're power of 2
<apeiros> but bitwise would be & ~, iirc
<apeiros> >> 7 & ~2
* apeiros kicks eval-in
<apeiros> "he's dead, jim". oh dear :(
<Ainieco> apeiros: what does ~ means?
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<apeiros> "not"
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<Ainieco> gotcha, thanks
<apeiros> inverts all 0 and 1's
<apeiros> i,e, a & ~b effectively unsets all bits from a which are set in b
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<Ainieco> apeiros: that makes sense, thank you again!
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<Ainieco> apeiros: by the way, is there true bitwise variant of "(7 & 2) == 2", i.e without "==" part?
<apeiros> Ainieco: since ruby doesn't treat 0 as false and 1 as true - no
<Ainieco> ok
<workmad3> Ainieco: well, you could do '(7 & 2).nonzero?'
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<workmad3> Ainieco: that only works because the only possible answers from x & 2 are 0 or 2 though... for 3 you'd have to use == 3
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<Ainieco> workmad3: understood
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<yorickpeterse> benlovell: perhaps, I still have to work out my travel plans for this year
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<yorickpeterse> well, my Dutch address parser is actually not too bad
<yorickpeterse> Not sure if Ragel + Racc is the best tooling choice but hey, it works sort of
<whitequark> sounds overkill for addresses
<yorickpeterse> actually, you need context for it to be parsed properly
<yorickpeterse> And I figured that as a hack Racc would be faster than doing things manually
<yorickpeterse> e.g.
<yorickpeterse> "Lepelstraat" is both a street and city name
<yorickpeterse> "straat" is usually used to indicate streets, but in this case it's also a city
<yorickpeterse> So the only way to know if it's a street is if it's followed by some kind of house/block number indication
<yorickpeterse> e.g.
<yorickpeterse> "Lepestraat 15" <- street
<yorickpeterse> errr Lepelstraat
<yorickpeterse> (translates: "Spoon street")
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<yorickpeterse> Same goes for city names
<yorickpeterse> or provinces
<yorickpeterse> e.g. "Utrecht" is both a city and province here in .nl
<yorickpeterse> The only way to figure out what it is is the pattern
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<yorickpeterse> "Foobarstraat 14, Utrecht, Utrecht, The Netherlands" <- easy to guess
<yorickpeterse> "Foobarstraat 14, Utrecht, The Netherlands" <- probably the city since provinces are usually not used in addresses
<yorickpeterse> "Utrecht" errrr...
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<yorickpeterse> So yeah, you need context to know what it is
<yorickpeterse> There's probably an easier way than Racc, but for a 30 minute train hack this isn't too bad
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<yorickpeterse> If street names always had a universal indicator you could do it with just Ragel
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<whitequark> oh, cool
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<yorickpeterse> though it would have to set the levels instead of just on/off
<yorickpeterse> basically it's 1-5 where anything between 3-5 means "Yorick gets blasted with cold air regardless"
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<yorickpeterse> (I sit directly below an air exhaust or w/e you'd call them)
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<yorickpeterse> err underneath
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<xybre> This building is either burning up or freezing.
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<xybre> The facility controlls the HVAC, so its jsut whatever they feel like.
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<yorickpeterse> heh, flying to brighton is cheaper than train
<yorickpeterse> stupid Eurostar is so expensive
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<xybre> Didn't they spend like umpteen billions to build the Eurostar?
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