apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<MikaAK_> Cool
<MikaAK> Atom IRC
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<apeiros> möyn
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: m8 I'm going to Brighton
<yorickpeterse> that is if everything isn't already booked
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<maloik> weren't you sleeping under a tree?
<maloik> doubt those will be booked
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<yorickpeterse> Might have to fight over them with the local hobo community
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, tempted to set my flight's title to "Dr."
<yorickpeterse> "Dr. Y Peterse" shit that looks classy
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<maloik> hahaha
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: m8 can you not give me like, 100% discount on Loco?
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<maloik> :D
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<yorickpeterse> man the standard contributing guides Bundler craps in your README is total garbage
<yorickpeterse> "create a fork use feature branch pull request plox" geez that's helpful
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<yorickpeterse> Gah, there was some Gem that could read memory usage and the likes from /proc with a fallback to `ps`
<yorickpeterse> and of course that one time I need it I forgot the name
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<miqui> anybody here use rubocop? looking for a good ruby linter..
<yorickpeterse> Are you looking for something that checks style issues or (potential) technical problems?
<yorickpeterse> (or bot)
<yorickpeterse> * both
<jhass> apeiros: time to post your config ;)
<maloik> I believe we run something that's called rubocop-pronto
<maloik> or pronto-rubocop
<maloik> as part of our CI runs
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<wazery> hello
<miqui> yorickpeterse: hmmm is there one that those both style and potential issues?
<yorickpeterse> miqui: No
<yorickpeterse> rubocop does mostly style stuff with some basic warnings (e.g. it has basic checking for unused variables I believed)
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<yorickpeterse> But *ahum* there's https://github.com/yorickpeterse/ruby-lint which does the opposite
<miqui> ok, which one does potential tech problems?
<miqui> cool, so i am using zuul to setup gates in my ci, so i can use both, rubo for the style and ruby-lint for the other stuff...
<yorickpeterse> zuul?
<miqui> yeah is a tool coming from the openstack infra project....
<miqui> its very powerfull...
<miqui> gerrit+jenkins+zuul
<miqui> to do your ci/cd
<yorickpeterse> oh boy, Jenkins
<jhass> ruby can also do itself some basic linting with ruby -c
<miqui> thanks guys...
<miqui> sorry..
<miqui> guys/gals....
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<maloik> for some reason I can't stand people who split their thoughts using //
<maloik> it looks so weird // oh hi there this is a new sentence // i dont know how punctuation works
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<workmad3> maloik: "I do this // mostly to annoy maloik // because I'm mean".gsub("//", "\n")
<maloik> :-(
<matti> // Ohai //
<matti> ;D
* matti hugs maloik
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<yorickpeterse> :<
<matti> Oh, I let yorickpeterse out.
* matti hugs yorickpeterse
<yorickpeterse> :<
<matti> yorickpeterse: *there* *there*
<matti> wb apeiros
<yorickpeterse> (っ´ω｀)っ
<matti> Ohhh
<apeiros> thanks. hi matti
<matti> :)
* apeiros totally happy hacking away on his starbase orion clone :D
<matti> Haha
<matti> apeiros: You reminded me of Eve Online.
<maloik> EVE is great
<maloik> but boring in a way
<apeiros> never played that
<matti> maloik: After I got my first capital ship.
<matti> maloik: I retired ;]
<matti> maloik: I spent more with spreadsheet than flying ;p
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<yorickpeterse> Played it for over a year or so
<yorickpeterse> Too much politics
<maloik> haha it's called spreadsheets online for a reason
<yorickpeterse> not enough shooting
<matti> maloik: Indeed.
<maloik> yea finding targets can be challenging
<matti> We should create Ruby, Inc. there.
<yorickpeterse> Oh, that was not the problem
<yorickpeterse> not at all
<apeiros> if I should get to a playable version of this game, I'll hold AI competitions :)
<yorickpeterse> Played in TEST for a year, plenty of stuff to shoot
<yorickpeterse> Problem is either everybody was 1) too lazy to stop farming 2) dumb as a brick
<yorickpeterse> or 3) events happened at 04:00 my time
<yorickpeterse> That and yes, the spreadsheets
<yorickpeterse> Doesn't really work if you want to quickly play a game for an hour or so on a Tuesday evening
<matti> yorickpeterse: I ended up opening a bank within my corporation.
<matti> yorickpeterse: Retired with 50 billion ;p
<maloik> that's what I meant though
<matti> yorickpeterse: Maintaining POSes was a pain ;p
<maloik> I'm a pvp pilot, so playing for an hour doesn't work
<maloik> because you can't find targets
<maloik> (that are not blobs)
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<matti> maloik: Haham ano
<matti> maloik: Yeah
<maloik> been doing some diablo3 lately, and yesterday I installed heroes of newerth again (a dota clone)
<yorickpeterse> matti: I mostly did ratting and planetary interaction things
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<maloik> should keep me busy
<yorickpeterse> (whatever that was called)
<yorickpeterse> Oh and bombing people
<yorickpeterse> That was quite fun
<yorickpeterse> Sit somewhere in space for 2 hours
<yorickpeterse> bomb 2 ships
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<yorickpeterse> call it a day
<maloik> I actually only quit EVE like a month or two ago
<maloik> (again)
<maloik> but still paying and training my char cause I know last time I was kind of upset for not having done so in the past 5 years
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<maloik> so my 2006/7 character only has like 40 million SP
<yorickpeterse> meh, TEST imploded a few months after I left
<yorickpeterse> Apparently the big bad Mittani stomped them
<yorickpeterse> also we're a bunch of fucking nerds
<yorickpeterse> Talking about spreadsheet emulators in a Ruby IRC channel
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<maloik> no u
<matti> LOL
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<matti> yorickpeterse: And you PAY for to play with spreadsheet in space!
<matti> yorickpeterse: Its almost as getting Microsoft Office to put tables in Excel ;]
<yorickpeterse> Yeah, except the tables shoot at you
<yorickpeterse> and spam local
<matti> Haha
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<yorickpeterse> I remember an instance where I bought a ship somewhere before checking where it was. It was some pirate/enemy infested area
<yorickpeterse> Decided to just take a gamble and get my ship
<yorickpeterse> I think I died 3 times in a row getting a new ship each time
<yorickpeterse> every time 1-2 jumps before home I got bombed or killed otherwise
<yorickpeterse> :<
<yorickpeterse> The Eve Struggle
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<maloik> tonights user group is gonna be fun
<maloik> first in a while with over 15 participants (25 signed up)
<maloik> and talks on ember, hexagonal rails and a rubymotion for android talk/demo (by lrz himself)
<maloik> good times :-)
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<wmoxam> maloik: where?
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<maloik> ghent
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<maloik> (belgium)
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<wmoxam> cool
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<maloik> we're filming them so they should end up on vimeo or so
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<yorickpeterse> (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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<apeiros> I still don't get how "what the fox say" got so wildly popular…
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<jhass> I have that for a lot of really popular music...
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<apeiros> dreamhack has the weirdest music & vids during break time…
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<maloik> what kind of games are on?
<yorickpeterse> mind games
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<whitequark> apeiros: neither really the authors understand...
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<apeiros> whitequark: que?
<apeiros> maloik: I only watch sc2
<apeiros> I think they have other things on as well, wouldn't know what. CS, LoL and some others I think
<yorickpeterse> Starcraft 2?
<yorickpeterse> oh wait, heh
<yorickpeterse> derp
<yorickpeterse> I once watched a game of League in South Korea
<yorickpeterse> It involved......
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<yorickpeterse> http://i.imgur.com/tCEA4a7.jpg for the lazy
<yorickpeterse> ^ I think that's still my highest scoring post on Reddit ._
<yorickpeterse> * ._.
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<wmoxam> Ruby annoyance of the day: can pass binmode: true to File.new, but not to Tempfile.new
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<yorickpeterse> well, that one can be solved easily
<yorickpeterse> temp = Tempfile.new; file = File.new(temp.path, :binmode => true)
* yorickpeterse runs
<yorickpeterse> (really quickly)
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: I'm not quite sure which one the NK and which one the redditer is… (horse vs. cap guy)
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<yorickpeterse> At the time it was quite funny because it was in between some pretty serious looking Starcraft match
<yorickpeterse> I speak like 2 words Korean so I had no idea what was going on
<yorickpeterse> "oh they're blowing up stuff...cool
<apeiros> :)
<wmoxam> heh
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<yorickpeterse> Now I'm listening to Korean hip-hop...I have no idea what this is about
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<yorickpeterse> They could be rapping about mass murder and I'd still happily bounce in my chair
<apeiros> hah, only as little as 5953 turns required to research all technologies with the starting population all assigned to research :D
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<gnufied> so apart from manveru there are really no dota2 people here.
<manveru> aloha
<gnufied> it is there at dreamhack too!
<manveru> who summoned me?
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<gnufied> he he. we were talking about games at dreamhack!
<manveru> you at dreamhack?
<gnufied> nope. though, I wish. I am sitting far far away.
<manveru> watching empire vs c9 atm, but i didn't get to go there either :(
<manveru> will be at esl one though, and ti4
<gnufied> wowser. I am in US, but I dunno if I can make it to TI4
<yorickpeterse> manveru: never knew you were such a hardcore e-sports fan
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<manveru> hehe, it's my job now :)
<manveru> well, actually over a year now
<manveru> really enjoying it
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<manveru> didn't even know what esports is before, so i'm surprised too
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<apeiros> oh, what's your job now?
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<yorickpeterse> his name is secretly RiotPhreak
<yorickpeterse> tons of manveru
* yorickpeterse hopes anybody gets that
<apeiros> and there I thought he might be liquidmana
<apeiros> but then he'd not be writing right now :)
<manveru> i've played lol once... but i suck at it :P
<apeiros> (mana is the last foreigner at DH)
<manveru> i'm working at elo entertainment, we run dotabuff.com and elobuff.com
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<apeiros> damit, I have to go to the restaurant. this tandoori chicken sauce from the shop is horrible. have to get a proper one.
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<manveru> i wish the next indian restaurant wasn't an hour away :P
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<apeiros> half an hour for me. but I get a couple of dozen indian restaurants there :)
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<gnufied> well then. I can cook decent Indian food (being a Indian), but someone needs to invite me to Europe.
<apeiros> gnufied: whot? you don't get a visum otherwise?
<manveru> uhm, inviting is the easy part, but getting you here...
<apeiros> was about to say the same
<apeiros> I can invite you anytime, if you wish
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<gnufied> he he. I was kidding. one of the problems though is - getting spices that we use traditionally. when I was coming here (US), I brought like 2 KG of ground spice (which I handpicked back in Bangalore and used local machine to grid them). Needless to say US customs were not happy.
<gnufied> thankfully spices are allowed as long as they are not whole.
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<apeiros> send them via postal service?
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<Sigma00> as long as they're not whole? So you can cut a tiny (visible) portion and send it?
<gnufied> I think the idea is, you should not able to bring seeds (which lots of spices are)
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<snoopybbt> guys, could you name a good configuration file parsing library
<apeiros> YAML
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<jhass> JSON
<manveru> ruby
<apeiros> manveru: aaahaha. I actually dislike DSLs for most configs :-/
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<manveru> i like env vars for other cases
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<yxhuvud> I dislike YAML for all configs I've seen it used for.
<manveru> but if the config is only for a ruby app... i dislike having to parse just for the sake of it
<apeiros> I've learned about env vars being a security issue on many *nix systems
<apeiros> yxhuvud: how come? what would you prefer instead of e.g. secrets.yml and database.yml in rails?
<manveru> because they're visible from /proc ?
<apeiros> manveru: yes
<yxhuvud> apeiros: either json or ruby. The latter definitely ruby.
<apeiros> at least as I understood :)
<yxhuvud> honestly I'd want a pretty big refactoring of database.yml to get away from the think that an env is a database. an env should be a set of databases.
<apeiros> dsl's just makes it so much more ugly for deployment systems
<manveru> we tried stuff like etcd, but ran into major issues
<apeiros> luckily our servers aren't public-facing, so it's not an issue for us yet
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<apeiros> that said, most secrets for us are file based with user-only read
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<manveru> there's not much to improve over .pgpass
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<apeiros> wasn't an older security concept to start the server as user A, read the file, fork under user B?
<apeiros> manveru: that's pg specific, though
<manveru> if you have access to user B you can also read what he has in memory
<apeiros> that's decidedly more difficult than to glob and read files, though
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<apeiros> also I think you theoretically could drop the password once you've established the connection, no?
<manveru> if you never want to reconnect, sure
<apeiros> won't work with things like cookie secret base
<bougyman> manveru: what issue did you run into with etcd?
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<bougyman> we were thinking about using it for some stuff (not configs)
<manveru> bougyman: we tried using it for locking
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<manveru> he describes the issue well
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<manveru> one day all our config just vanished
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<manveru> bougyman: slowly moving to runit here :D
<cout> manveru: really?
<apeiros> manveru: re "if you have access to user B" - in that case, it also no longer matters how you got your password/secret :)
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<apeiros> rather, "you can read his memory"
<cout> manveru: oh wait you mean something different from http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.8.7/libdoc/runit/rdoc/
<apeiros> and I don't think that's actually true, no? same user doesn't mean "can read foreign process' memory"
<manveru> hmm, that's possible, unless same user is root :)
<apeiros> :)
<apeiros> yeah. if root, game over
<manveru> well, even if someone got all our passwords and databases... we don't keep auth or payment data, but might lead to some downtime
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<manveru> actually says that env vars aren't world-readable either
<manveru> not anymore, anyway
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<bougyman> manveru: i tried s6 for a while, too
<bougyman> still use runit for most things
<manveru> never heard of it
<bougyman> it corrects one of the few runit issues i've seen
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<bougyman> that is, under certain situations the log service can fail and logs get lost.
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<manveru> hm, interesting
<manveru> why do you use runit then? :)
<apeiros> manveru: interesting @ visibility
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<bougyman> manveru: it's a very rare condition, i've seen it happen once in 11 years (the log service thing)
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<bougyman> and I have bunches of helpers written for runit.
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<manveru> hehe, yeah
<manveru> i might try s6 sometime... but looks like i have to learn docker-fu first
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<matti> Ohai manveru
<matti> manveru: Docker is easy peasy.
<matti> ;]
<manveru> hey
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<manveru> last time i tried it, it was a crazy onion layer to dumb down lxc
<manveru> i still don't know what docker even _is_
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<manveru> plus atm all our services are single binaries that run on anything that go can target, so containers seems like overkill ^^;
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<matti> manveru: It requires a bit of a mindset change.
<matti> manveru: Especially if you have services that tend to rely on persistent state/data.
<manveru> not really... all static data is in the binary
<manveru> the dynamic part is messaging via beanstalkd and pg/redis/riak
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<bougyman> manveru: looked at kafka?
<bougyman> we're using it with great success here.
<bougyman> for topics
<darix> bougyman: i almost read a book from him. does that count?
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<manveru> bougyman: we actually moved most to nsqd recently
<manveru> does kafka still need jvm?
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<apeiros> is it named "kafka" because it is waiting for godot?
<bougyman> manveru: yeah, kafka still needs jfm
<bougyman> jvm, too
<bougyman> so zookeeper is needed, too
<manveru> yeah... with nsq we can also just copy the binary and be done, it has no dependencies and runs on all platforms
<manveru> so every machine we have a service on also has its own nsq node that talks to the others
<apeiros> manveru: sounds like an interesting place to work at
<manveru> it's fun, yeah :)
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<matti> manveru: ;]
<matti> bougyman: You can technically run it without ZK ;s
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<matti> bougyman: We did this at $company -1.
<manveru> we got this far without java... no need to add it now :P
<matti> Haha
<matti> manveru: JVM is not inherently evil ;]
<matti> manveru: But true dat, no need to add to the stack if not needed.
<matti> ;]
<manveru> it's one less headache
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<matti> :)
<manveru> now i only have to get rid of rails next year :)
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<bougyman> matti: I don't think you can in .8
<bougyman> at least, there's no documented way to do so.
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<matti> bougyman: Ahh, I see.
<bougyman> manveru: nsdq can't deliver what we want.
<matti> bougyman: But, indeed its great piece of tech ;]
<bougyman> order has to be guaranteed.
<bougyman> and they have to be durable.
<bougyman> looks neat but those two are blockers, here.
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<manveru> it can be durable with wal, but no way to get order
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<joevandyk> am i doing something wrong?
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<jhass> hm, I'd just try a modified PATH: PATH=$PATH:/tmp/ruby-2.1.2/bin/ ./configure
<joevandyk> jhass: doesn't work, same problem
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<joevandyk> tool/config.sub is missing, should it be there?
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<joevandyk> this is a git checkout of the source code
<joevandyk> i ran autoconf
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<joevandyk> hm, had to run 'automake -a'
<joevandyk> got errors on it though, but it made tools/config.sub
<joevandyk> err tool/config.sub
<joevandyk> is there a better way?
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<joevandyk> this is not my day. when i build ruby 2.1.2 from a source tarball, when the ruby binary has 'strip' ran on it, it segfaults.
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