apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<joneddy> has anyone used the roo gem? i'm having problems importing from an xlsx file
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<danielbarrera> hello
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<danielbarrera> I can ask a question
<ari-_-e> is that a question? :)
<danielbarrera> to excuse the simple
<danielbarrera> $ ./configure && make && sudo make install
<ari-_-e> danielbarrera: please don't PM without asking
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<ari-_-e> danielbarrera: do you have a question? if so, you can just ask it
<ari-_-e> you don't have to ask to ask
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<ari-_-e> danielbarrera: stop
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<ari-_-e> danielbarrera: if you want further help, ask in the channel
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<t4nk883> Friends you know how empty a github repository without deleting and re-creating
<ari-_-e> t4nk883: perhaps ask in #git?
<t4nk883> or completely overwritten with git push
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<t4nk883> oK
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<freedrull> is there any reason to name a method with something past tense (e.g. published, transmitted, etc)
<freedrull> i would only do it with a boolean (published?)
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<freedrull> or maybe published_at
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<ari-_-e> freedrull: why wouldn't there be a reason?
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<Rich_Morin> Are there any books that give a good introduction to Rake?
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<Rich_Morin> "Ruby in Practice" has about nine pages.
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<Rich_Morin> "Rake Task Management Essentials" is a booklet.
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<maloik> question
<maloik> has there EVER been a point where testing was not a widely accepted method?
<maloik> (in ruby's lifespan)
<ari-_-e> method of what?
<maloik> as in, a way of approaching your projects
<maloik> I think nowadays everyone agrees your projects should be tested, I'm wondering if there was ever a point where it'd be acceptable not to
<ari-_-e> I think testing has been a widely accepted part of software development for a long time - whether it actually gets done... that's another question :)
<maloik> (was mostly a rethorical question to put my mind at ease)
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<yorickpeterse> maloik: yes
<yorickpeterse> one-off commandline tools and the likes
<maloik> I'm guessing that excludes invoiding software
<maloik> :-(
<maloik> s/invoiding/invoicing
<yorickpeterse> Still haven't written tests for that thing?
<maloik> I'm still trying to figure out the domain logic
<maloik> like, there no point in testing if a+b=c if I don't know if b should be there in the first place
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<yorickpeterse> oh yay....rspec 3 requires you to enable the `should` syntax
<yorickpeterse> ugh
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<yorickpeterse> rspec.should.probably stop_using('really wacky pseudo-English')
<ari-_-e> yorickpeterse: I think a lot of ruby projects in general really need to stop doing that
<yorickpeterse> well, honestly I do prefer `foo.should == bar` over `expect(foo).to eq(bar)`
<yorickpeterse> while we're really picky, "should" and "expect" aren't the right terms
<yorickpeterse> It probably should (hehe) be something like `foo.must == bar`
<yorickpeterse> or just good ol' assert_equals(foo, bar)
<yorickpeterse> Also, going from `foo.stub(:bar)` to `allow(foo).to receive(:bar)` is ... odd
<yorickpeterse> blegh, maybe I should look into Minitest
<whitequark> minitest is great
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<yorickpeterse> The stubbing looks odd though
<matti> :)
<yorickpeterse> blegh, I think I'll just enable the should() syntax and be done with it
<yorickpeterse> or I can just stop being so fucking pedantic
<yorickpeterse> Hm...so many choices, only so much time
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<yorickpeterse> ok re-enabling the stuff
<yorickpeterse> Old syntax definitely reads nicer
<yorickpeterse> now to do this for 44 repositories
<yorickpeterse> ._.
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<sluukkonen> I still haven't decided if I love or hate rspec
<yorickpeterse> I consider it "ok"
<yorickpeterse> I used Bacon for a year or two but changing it's output format is worse than trying to teach a donkey how to drive a car
<yorickpeterse> Plus rspec's mocking/stubbing is quite nice
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<sluukkonen> lately (because they keep changing the syntax every goddamn week) I've been leaning on the hate side
<apeiros> sluukkonen: I decided a couple of years ago that I dislike rspec
<apeiros> hate is too much for something which I'm gladly not forced to use
<sluukkonen> yeah hate isn't the correct word here
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: so what do you dislike from RSpec?
<yorickpeterse> Besides the impossible to type constant
<yorickpeterse> and the Cucumber "documentation"
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<apeiros> a) that you have to essentially learn a new language for something as simple as testing, b) that this language is ever changing, c) that IMO that language actually makes it harder to follow the tests, and d) it doesn't give me what I want/expect from a test framework
<yorickpeterse> Hm, if you go full crazy with all the features then yeah
<yorickpeterse> (e.g. shared examples and all that stuff)
<yorickpeterse> I guess it's nice that devs over here either don't know about those features or just don't use them
<ari-_-e> I've found myself disliking the ruby style of DSLs in general
<yorickpeterse> ari-_-e: careful with your words there :P
<ari-_-e> or the style that seems to be most popular
<apeiros> ari-_-e: I like them, a lot. but that doesn't mean they're always appropriately used :-/
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<apeiros> I mean stuff like AR's migrations are pleasant and intuitive to read
<yorickpeterse> Oh, don't get me started on that topic
* apeiros presses some buttons…
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<apeiros> where *do* I get you started? :)
<yorickpeterse> so you know how everybody tells you not to use models in migrations right?
<yorickpeterse> "DON'T USE MODELS!!!! DON'T INSERT DATA FROM MIGRATIONS!!!"
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<yorickpeterse> Yet nobody actually came up with a decent solution for that
<apeiros> nobody told me, no :)
<yorickpeterse> Rails has "seeds" but fuck those
<apeiros> ah
<yorickpeterse> if I'm not mistaken those are always run
<yorickpeterse> So if you run `rake db:seed` 15 times you'll end up with the same data 15 times
<apeiros> I think seed actually deletes data
<yorickpeterse> wat
<yorickpeterse> it nukes the DB first?
<apeiros> the tables which you seed, yes
<yorickpeterse> ugh
<apeiros> so not a good idea to use it on your production tables to *add* data :D
<yorickpeterse> Yeah...good thing I never tried that I guess
<apeiros> we have custom stuff for that. but tbh, I often put it in migrations.
<yorickpeterse> I just slap that in migration then spend quality time making sure model structures are reloaded
<apeiros> we merge migrations every few months anyway
<yorickpeterse> Also: AR doesn't support multiple migration tables I think
<apeiros> reducing them to two migrations + seed data
<yorickpeterse> so if you have multiple projects migrating the same DB using different migrations all hell breaks loose
<apeiros> one migration containing all "proper" creates and stuff, and one containing plain executes
<yorickpeterse> In particular because AR will get super confused about what to stuff in db/schema.rb
<apeiros> heh, never tried that
<yorickpeterse> I used Sequel again last week, god I missed that
<yorickpeterse> It supports all that, and nicely too
<apeiros> we have schema owning projects for that
<yorickpeterse> Though getting an equivalent of `rake db:schema:dump` and `rake db:schema:load` is a bit of a hassle
<apeiros> I think we can't use those due to our execute statements
<yorickpeterse> oh, RDMS specific stuff?
<apeiros> which we have to use since rails doesn't have a clue about views f.ex.
<yorickpeterse> heh, I think Sequel can actually handle that too
<yorickpeterse> It can do platform independant dumps, and specific ones
<apeiros> well, if you want to call views RDBMS specific…
<apeiros> but yes, I guess we have a bit of oracle specific stuff in there.
<yorickpeterse> ssssshhhh, the database is a black box
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<yorickpeterse> data goes in, data comes out
<apeiros> but 99% it's views
<yorickpeterse> don't ask
<apeiros> don't tell?
<yorickpeterse> exactly
<apeiros> lol
<yorickpeterse> Who needs foreign keys, views and all that
<ari-_-e> never a miscommunication
<yorickpeterse> Just solve all your database constraints on application level
<yorickpeterse> stuff just works
<apeiros> oh, current rails creates foreign keys, no?
<yorickpeterse> No idea, we're still on 3.2
<apeiros> I think 3.2 already does. if you use t.reference instead of t.integer. not sure, though.
<apeiros> I still use t.integer + manual fk constraints
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<yorickpeterse> I remember that at my previous employer they said something like "Don't use foreign keys because it makes deleting tables harder"
<yorickpeterse> ._>
<apeiros> my team sometimes hates me for that, though :D "Fuck, why can't I delete this record!? OH GAWD DAMIT FK CONSTRAINT! ARGH!"
<ari-_-e> apeiros: yes, how dare you care about the integrity of your data
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<yorickpeterse> THE DATABASE IS A BLACK BOX!!11
<DefV> integrity schmintegrity, as I always sa
<DefV> probable integrity, that's what I go for
<DefV> most data is probably correct
* whitequark slaps DefV around a bit with a large trout
<ari-_-e> 100% correct 50% of the time
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<yorickpeterse> DefV: I'd like to introduce you to my database
<whitequark> DefV: he uses mongodb in production
<whitequark> that's all you need to know about yorickpeterse really
<yorickpeterse> hey
<yorickpeterse> don't make me come over
<apeiros> neeehehehe :)
<yorickpeterse> no more Mongo, soon (tm)
* apeiros still hopes to migrate 90% of our daily business from oracle to postgres
<yorickpeterse> we already made a blood pact at the office not to use Mongo for anything new any more
<whitequark> so you're being fired then? seeing as they won't have a job for a mongo person anymore
<yorickpeterse> har har har
<yorickpeterse> Seriously though, I'll get on that plane and slap you with a trout
<yorickpeterse> IRL
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<whitequark> http://z0r.de/906
<whitequark> (sfw, but with sound)
<yorickpeterse> wtf is this
<apeiros> wtf did I just watch?
<whitequark> aragorn ar här!
<apeiros> whitequark: you're russian, right?
<whitequark> yes
<whitequark> seen it
<yorickpeterse> polandball is funny at times
<yorickpeterse> http://www.reddit.com/r/polandball <- for those unfamiliar with it
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<yorickpeterse> warning: quite offensive
<whitequark> oh, that's how it's called
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<mcroun> hello!
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<roelof_> Hello, I have to use duck typing to look if a class has some methods. I thought I can do this with classname.responds_to? (method)
<roelof_> But what if someone makes a definition which calls like this test("roelof.new"_
<roelof_> (roelof.new)
<roelof_> I do not see how I get the new into the (method)
<yorickpeterse> eh?
<apeiros> not sure I understand roelof_, but maybe this helps:
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<apeiros> >> [Array.method_defined?(:at); [].respond_to?(:at)]
<eval-in_> apeiros => /tmp/execpad-b3cd4583ac52/source-b3cd4583ac52:2: syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting ']' ... (https://eval.in/157785)
<apeiros> gah
<apeiros> >> [Array.method_defined?(:at), [].respond_to?(:at)]
<eval-in_> apeiros => [true, true] (https://eval.in/157786)
<apeiros> shift fail
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<roelof_> maybe for clarity I try this challenge : http://www.codewars.com/kata/52b50a20fa0e77b304000103/train/ruby
<ari-_-e> redirects me to the signin page
<roelof_> sorry : here I pastebin it : http://pastebin.com/tSEkNTPg
<roelof_> and the begin is this : http://pastebin.com/kzNvmjQi
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<ari-_-e> roelof_: as apeiros implied, #respond_to? is used on instances, not Class objects
<ari-_-e> it checks whether you could actually use that method on that object
<ari-_-e> and you can't invoke an instance method of a class on its Class object
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<roelof_> oke, so im on the very wrong path
<ari-_-e> you are?
<roelof_> I want to use responds_to? and you explained I cannot do that
<ari-_-e> no I didn't
<ari-_-e> I said you were mistaken about how respond_to? is used
<ari-_-e> you said that it was classname.respond_to?
<roelof_> oke
<ari-_-e> which it's not
<roelof_> sorry it object.responds_to
<ari-_-e> that might actually be better for you :)
<ari-_-e> roelof_: so, SantaClaus defines a say_ho_ho_ho method
<ari-_-e> what do you have to do to call that method
<ari-_-e> ?
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<roelof_> but then I do not get true or false as a answer
<roelof_> BRB
<ari-_-e> I'm not suggesting you should do that in your function
<ari-_-e> I'm just trying to lead you to an understanding
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<roelof_> ari-_-e: thanks, that what i like about this channel
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<roelof_> To look if I understand it on roelof.new roelof is the class and new is the method . Right ?
<roelof_> class = object
<ari-_-e> yeah
<roelof_> oke, So I cpuld do roelof.responds_to (:new)
<roelof_> could do
<ari-_-e> roelof_: yes, that would return true
<ari-_-e> so in the code you pasted, what would respond to say_ho_ho_ho?
<ari-_-e> the one in SantaClaus
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<roelof_> ari-_-e: sorry for the late respons. it become a little bit caostic here
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<roelof_> but the answer is SanTaClaus.say_ho_ho_ho or just ho_ho_ho
<ari-_-e> just ho_ho_ho?
<roelof_> wrong answer ;(
<roelof_> :(
<ari-_-e> how could it be just ho_ho_ho?
<roelof_> then it's SantaClaus.ho_ho_ho
<ari-_-e> how could it be that?
<ari-_-e> the method is called say_ho_ho_ho
<roelof_> then it's SantaClaus.say_ho_ho_ho
<ari-_-e> ok, well not quite
<ari-_-e> it's in instance method
<ari-_-e> not a class method
<roelof_> pfff ruby is confusing :(
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<roelof_> ari-_-e: I will read my book again about class methods
<roelof_> Thanks for the help and patience with me
<ari-_-e> roelof_: it's good to read about class methods, but again the ones in the code you pasted aren't class methods
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<roelof_> ari-_-e: another try x = SantaClaus.say_ho_ho_ho
<yorickpeterse> fuck, updating to rspec 3 was more painful than hoped
<yorickpeterse> Ripping out some other Gems because they spit out deprecations, blegh
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<ddv> not a big fan of rspec anyways
<roelof_> ddv: what are you using then for tests ?
<ddv> minitest
<roelof_> oke, just assert_equal and so on ??
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<ddv> roelof_: yes
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<gnufied> it took rspec-mocks 3 years or so to catch up with mocha
<gnufied> funny how we reinvent the wheel
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<roelof_> gnufied: how do you mean that ?
<roelof_> sorry I have to leave . Meeting till 5 o clock :(
<roelof_> thanks all for the help and patience
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<yorickpeterse> ugh, so there's https://github.com/threedaymonk/text
<yorickpeterse> It has a Soundex implementation
<yorickpeterse> yay
<yorickpeterse> except it doesn't handle whitespace
<yorickpeterse> ._.
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<yorickpeterse> and it seems to be broken too
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<centrx> :(
<yorickpeterse> Yeah, the soundex codes are not the right length
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<yorickpeterse> e.g. in MySQL:
<yorickpeterse> SELECT SOUNDEX("SanFraaaaaaabaaaar") AS soundex; # => S51616
<yorickpeterse> But the Gem returns "S516"
<yorickpeterse> hmpf
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<centrx> yorickpeterse, I wouldn't use MySQL as your reference implementation. MySQL is just as likely to be wrong as some random github gem
<centrx> yorickpeterse, In fact Soundex is four characters
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<yorickpeterse> I don't think it's required to always be four characters
<yorickpeterse> unless MySQL uses some soundex superset
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<yorickpeterse> well, on to the next algorithm
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<yorickpeterse> if only everything was written in [a-zA-Z] then matching names accurately would be easy
<yorickpeterse> or at least easier
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<yorickpeterse> jebus
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<anon_911> hi
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<centrx> !hi
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<matti> centrx: -> lo
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<anon_911> anybody looking for some pair programming ?
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<roelof> ari-_-e: do you have time for me to talk about the problem of this afternoon
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<roelof> why does this not work ( answer = url.match \w{4,} ) I see this error message : bare backslash only allowed before newline. near line 2: "w{4,}"
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<workmad3> roelof: because you forgot to wrap your regexp up in // characters
<workmad3> roelof: so what you have there is a syntax error :P
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<roelof> someone who can help me with this : http://pastebin.com/mdMkXpyS
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<jhass> roelof: match returns a MatchData object, not a String
<jhass> also it helps to swap the arguments on the assert_equals
<jhass> finally use URI.parse
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<roelof> jhass a URI.parse on what ??
<jhass> to parse URIs
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<roelof> you mean uri.parse(url) to parse the url which is a argument on this function ?
<jhass> yes
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<roelof> jhass : still this stupid error message : Test::Error: Expected: "tamarawobben.nl", instead got: #
<jhass> well, you probably still return some kind of object instead of a string
<ari-_-e> roelof: you might want to spend more time with the basics
<ari-_-e> understanding what objects are, etc
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<roelof> ari-_-e: I agree with you but I learn the best by doing things instead of just read about it
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<roelof> If I just read about it . I still have to figure out how to use this in real
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<roelof> ari-_-e: that is the big issue I have with things
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<ari-_-e> roelof: why don't you open up an irb prompt and just experiment?
<ari-_-e> try things, and if something doesn't make sense, see if you can see the patterns
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<ari-_-e> if you can't, see if you can find anything about it in a book or online
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<roelof> ari-_-e: that what I try
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<roelof> but im a little bit further on my search. This is partly working : http://pastebin.com/RT43Azcb
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<t4nk091> hello
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<jhass> hi
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<lewix> a colleague asked me what can ruby do that js can't - surprisingly I couldn't come up with anything
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<wallerdev> probably because theyre both turing complete
<wallerdev> lol
<jhass> you can hammer in a nail with a screwdriver, it's just a lot easier with a hammer. After all programming languages are just tools. Figure out your demands and choose the appropriate tool
<Rich_Morin> lewix: Ruby allows me to write code that I enjoy looking at later; JS does not.
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<centrx> lewix, Theoretically any Turing-complete language can do anything another language can do. The difference is in expressiveness/verbosity, style, and safety.
<centrx> lewix, e.g. Brainfuck: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/
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<Mon_Ouie> Also execution time, even certain asymptotic bounds aren't guaranteed to be achevieable
<Mon_Ouie> (e.g. you can't have an array in Brainfuck, that would let you change the nth element in O(1))
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<eam> Mon_Ouie: brainfuck *is* an array, it just has inc/dec as the only available pointer math
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<Mon_Ouie> eam: "that would let you change the nth element in O(1)"
<eam> that ain't the definition of array
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<Mon_Ouie> That's not the point. The point is you can't have that.
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<eam> I see, I suppose there are various similar hidden scaling costs in ruby then, what with the gc?
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<miqui> should i use === op to compare strings?
<ari-_-e> miqui: no, just use ==
<ari-_-e> use === if you want its specific behavior
<miqui> ari-_-e: thanks can you recommend a site to read up on your comments?
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<ari-_-e> hm, what about my comment?
<ari-_-e> case statements use ===
<ari-_-e> some classes override it to provide special behavior
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<wallerdev> >> class Cool; def ===(other); 'good work'; end end; Cool.new === 100
<eval-in_> wallerdev => "good work" (https://eval.in/157988)
<wallerdev> thats about all you need to know
<ari-_-e> so maybe read about case statements, if that's what you were wondering about? I dunno
<wallerdev> lol
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<miqui> k, thanks ari-_-e and wallerdev
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<miqui> is eval.in opensource?
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<Mon_Ouie> It wasn't last time I checked
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<Mon_Ouie> (security concerns)
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