apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<jhuang> What is the best way to distribute a Ruby command-line application? A gem? RBA? Or something else?
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<zenspider> gem
<zenspider> look at flog or flay for simple examples
<jhuang> Thank you! flog and flay, will check those out.
<jhuang> zenspider: Do these gems have a source repository on Github? Or is 'ruby gem install <...>' the only way to obtain their source ?
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<whitequark> seattlerb/flog
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<jhuang> whitequark: Thanks.
<jhuang> Is getoptlong the preferred command line parsing library to use for a command line application or is there another?
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<whitequark> I
<whitequark> I'd use slop
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<zenspider> sorry. went to dinner
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<maloik> out of curiosity, does seattlerb actually work on a lot of projects as a community?
<maloik> as in, do people feel more compelled to help out when it's part of the UG?
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<maloik> or are there perhaps events around those projects?
<maloik> just realized it might be an interesting way to try and spice up our own usergroup
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<yorickpeterse> so I had this idea on the train
<yorickpeterse> A street fighter game but using characters from the programming industry using my typical odd sense of humor
<yorickpeterse> e.g. Guido van Rossum whips people using a python
<yorickpeterse> Zed shaw beats people up using a guitar
<yorickpeterse> Matz has this hadouken thing where he shoots rubies at people
<yorickpeterse> I'm actually tempted to see if I can code that together
<yorickpeterse> somewhat more controversial: I might add Zombie Ritchie
<yorickpeterse> who rises from the grave
<yorickpeterse> but perhaps that's a bit too much
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<maloik> zombie ritchie? I must be missing something here
<yorickpeterse> Denis Ritchie
<yorickpeterse> * Dennis
<surrounder> lol, nice idea indeed
<yorickpeterse> was thinking of doing that in Rust, but just the sprites and everything alone would take forever
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<gpg_> ca i ask a capistrano question?
<DefV> NO!
<DefV> No questions today!
<DefV> It's friday
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* yorickpeterse slaps DefV and starts getting carried away
<gpg_> :)
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<gpg_> hey jhass can i trouble u with a capistrano error debugging?
* DefV wonders where they are carrying yorickpeterse away to
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<jhass> I don't use capistrano
<gpg_> jhass: ok :)
<yorickpeterse> DefV: hell
<DefV> gpg_: just ask your question
<jhass> gpg_: just ask your question and wait, don't search the right person to answer it
<DefV> yorickpeterse: where you belong!
<yorickpeterse> DefV: Yeah I have a date with Satan at 16:00
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<gpg_> ok
<gpg_> thanks
<gpg_> well i get permission denied when deploying and i just dont understand the error. i have added ssh key to github..so
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<maloik> I don't even see any permission denied in there
<maloik> this might also help
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<gpg_> sa
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<corecode> so it seems I cannot replace Kernel#loop
<corecode> interesting
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<darix> corecode: and you would do that why?
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<darix> so if i understand https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2013/12/21/semantic-versioning-after-2-1-0/ correctly... there cant be a 2.2.x release that has an ruby abi version of 2.1?
<corecode> darix: i tried to stub loop out for a unit test
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<corecode> the program does an infinite loop
<apeiros> >> module Kernel; def loop; yield; end; end; done = []; loop do done << :one; end; done
<eval-in> apeiros => [:one] (https://eval.in/162247)
<apeiros> corecode: flawless
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<corecode> oO
<corecode> i tried both def Kernel.loop; and Kernel.define_singleton_method
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<darix> corecode: he has superpowers.
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<jhass> corecode: that would define an instance method on the Module object Kernel points to
<jhass> that's not the same method as is Kernel#loop
<jhass> the loop method the module holds
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<corecode> ah, i understand.
<corecode> oh nice, mri is using deprecated C functions that don't exist on bionic :/
<whitequark> why would you want to run it on bionic O_o
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<corecode> so that i don't have to run some java stuff
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<whitequark> well yes, why would you want to do that?
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<darix> corecode: if you have a jvm ... why not jruby?
<corecode> i need to run as root
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<yorickpeterse> You can run jruby as root
<yorickpeterse> At least I'm pretty sure you can
<corecode> will it also run as root on android?
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<dorei> corecode: ain't root on android a simple su app?
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<yorickpeterse> corecode: dunno, try it?
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<corecode> not the faintest idea how to try that
<dvorak> jruby can certainly run as root in the general case
<corecode> yes, of course
<corecode> but on android? i don't know
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<imperator> greetings programs
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<apeiros> but… I'm a user!
<jhass> just what a program would say. turing test failed
<apeiros> phew, good thing I don't have to prove anything
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<imperator> dare i ask a licensing question?
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<imperator> basically, it's about artistic 2.0 and github: http://opensource.org/licenses/Artistic-2.0
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<imperator> and i got this ticket: https://github.com/djberg96/sys-proctable/issues/34
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<apeiros> sounds like he only read the first line of the license
<apeiros> and thought it applied to the source…
<apeiros> section "Distribution of Modified Versions of the Package as Source" applies to forks IMO
<apeiros> IANAL yadda yadda
<imperator> i agree
<apeiros> anyway… BSD 2 clause! (or MIT)
<apeiros> really, I hesitate to use things which are not under any of those two licenses. simply because I don't want to deal with legal issues and don't want to read through wades of legalese
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<yxhuvud> apeiros:ISC license is another one that is simple enough.
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<imperator> apeiros, ok, added my response, hopefully i got it right :)
<imperator> Interstellar Concordium?
<yxhuvud> internet software. It is the license openbsd use for new stuff.
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<apeiros> yxhuvud: waaaaat? open*BSD* does not use *BSD* license? teh fuck?
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<imperator> yxhuvud, ah, right, shoulda known Star Fleet Battles wasn't it ;)
<yxhuvud> apeiros: the practical difference isn't all that big.
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<apeiros> yxhuvud: the practical difference is "oh gawd no, yet another license, staaaaahp!"
<yxhuvud> point, but that attitude also leads to licenses never being simplified and improved.
<apeiros> ISC is simpler than 2 clause BSD?
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<apeiros> hm
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<yxhuvud> with the usual disclaimer that I too ain't a lawyer.
<apeiros> can somebody please kill all those yaks?
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<apeiros> I'm running out of razor blades :(
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<yxhuvud> can you do it the brasilian way?
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<imperator> ouch
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<xybre> imperator: grosser's code makes me sad :(
<imperator> xybre, well, now i see what caused his concern in the first place
<imperator> i dunno, nothing wrong with a license audit, but i wouldn't let programmers do it
<xybre> imperator: I jsut can't believe he's never heard of the Artistic license if he's a programmer.
<imperator> it is a bit odd
<apeiros> I haven't heard of it before
<xybre> Weird.
<apeiros> and I'm coding for >20y
<apeiros> I consider licenses a necessary evil. I only touch them with a 10 yard stick
<xybre> huh. I just assumed everyone knew the licenses of major software, even if not which went to where.
<apeiros> which major software uses artistic?
<xybre> Perl
<apeiros> hm
<apeiros> I'm curious what it used back when I was still working with perl
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<xybre> It used Artistic from the first release afaik, they later dual licensed it Artistic/GPL choose your own adventure.
<imperator> interview with Alison Randal about it: http://www.theperlreview.com/Interviews/allison-randal-artistic-license.html
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<xybre> Nice
<apeiros> license compatibility…
<apeiros> curious whether there's some table of code under which license can be redistributed under which other licenses
<xybre> "No license was specified for Perl version 1. Version 4.0.0 was released under GPL 1 with a few comments by Larry on his interpretation of the GPL. Version 4.0.36 had the Artistic License included, with only minor text differences to the license shipped with Perl 5 today. So, sometime between March 1991 and February 1993, the Artistic License was born."
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<xybre> So I had it backwards, Perl was originally released with GPL v1 with his own liner notes which turned into the Artistic License later around 1992.
<apeiros> yeah. iirc perl 5 was fresh out the presses when I started using it. might have partially worked with 4. not sure anymore. so I guess It'd have been already under artistic.
<xybre> Yep
<xybre> Artistic v2 was apaprently designed to be compatible with GPL v2 and v3, even though its dual licensed already.
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<yxhuvud> considering that perl6 still isn't in working shape, I guess your knowledge is still relevant
<apeiros> yxhuvud: you're assuming I retained my knowledge :(
<xybre> Perl 6 isn't working? since when?
<apeiros> also my grasp of programming back then was still somewhat limited
<yxhuvud> xybre: how many actually use it?
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<xybre> yxhuvud: ask in #perl6, but "in use" has nothing to do with "working".
<yxhuvud> I guess. python has much of the same issue.
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<xybre> More people use PHP than Ruby.
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<xybre> Does that mean Ruby doesn't work?
<apeiros> people still use ruby?
<xybre> If you want to find out if it works, then you should give it a try. The perl6 implementaion rakudo is easy to install.
<xybre> apeiros: Only on mainframes
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<yxhuvud> apeiros: dunno. I've spent the last week generating lua using python.
* apeiros now wonders how old cobol was when people started saying "people still use cobol?"
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<yxhuvud> gave me an itch to do some refactoring in the rails project I usually spend my time on
<xybre> It still weirds me out that FORTRAN is an actively developed language. It's like 60 years ago.
<xybre> s/age/old
<apeiros> hey now! that's younger than I am!
<imperator> I guess Fortress never caught on
<xybre> PHP is younger than I am.
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<imperator> latest rubyconf info is up - looks like san diego again
<darix> so if i understand https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2013/12/21/semantic-versioning-after-2-1-0/ correctly... there cant be a 2.2.x release that has an ruby abi version of 2.1?
<darix> xybre: Cobol is still actively developed aswell
<imperator> i will be in dallas playing board games at that time :)
<darix> xybre: and some companies pay a lot of money to have some machines that are still binary compatible to 50-60years ago
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<imperator> darix, good question, i have not actually made any real effort to understand it
<imperator> though we may all have to, as rubygems already gives me warnings about dependencies
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<darix> what kind of warnings?
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<imperator> "WARNING: open-ended dependency"
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<yxhuvud> ERROR IN APPLICATION. CORRECT SOURCE AND RESUBNIT
<darix> imperator: uhm ... what ever drbrain wants to tell us with that
<apeiros> SUBNIT!
<yxhuvud> apeiros. Yes. intercal.
* apeiros nits, supernits, subnits, strafenits…
<imperator> prenits, postnits, aroundnits...
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<apeiros> wrapnit!
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* apeiros shiftnits, pushnits
<apeiros> nit is a tremendously cromulent word
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<imperator> darix, well, i just wonder if at some point we'll get an error instead
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<xybre> darix: Is it? I haven't looked into COBOL much. But yeah makes sense, a lot of companies were heavily invested in that old tech (hardware) and probably have no idea how it works.
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<imperator> hm, should i try to get hash slicing added for 2.2?
<imperator> it's been at least 5 years since i've been rejected by ruby-core, i think i'm due
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<imperator> sorta proposed i guess: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/8499
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<yxhuvud> +1
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<yxhuvud> think what you want about activesupport monkey patching, but it sure add stuff back to the language. This isn't the first case
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<xybre> Yeah like Array#forty_two
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<yxhuvud> :D
<xybre> ActiveSupport has added less than a dozen features that are worth much, but those handful are so basic that its embarassing that they weren't in the language to begin with. And once you accept a few patches why not add more and more and more..
<apeiros> for the monkey patched stuff, I'd agree with xybre
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<apeiros> there are some non-monkey stuff things in AS which are quite valuable, but shouldn't be in core. though some could go into stdlib.
<apeiros> e.g. multibyte and transliteration
<yxhuvud> basic stuff can easily seem obvious in retrospect, but that doesn't mean they were obvious before someone actually demonstrated the usefulness. Symbol#to_proc comes to miund
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<yxhuvud> for example, slice and except may seem obvious but lua doesn't have them (afaik) despite tables being more or less the only datatype to do anything advanced in.
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<yxhuvud> (and a table is more or less a hash. the less part is that it is also used as an array).
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<apeiros> yxhuvud: sure (obviousness)
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<bcolfer> Hello
<bcolfer> I have a hash and the key is generated by another system based on a variable I create
<bcolfer> How can I reference that key?
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<xybre> "based on a variable I create"
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<apeiros> bcolfer: I can't really make sense of your question
<apeiros> bcolfer: you're talking about a Hash (hashmap) with a single key-value pair? and you don't know the key? or what?
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<ThatTreeOverTher> I'm having trouble installing ruby-llvm
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<ThatTreeOverTher> Cannot find llvm-config: tried ["llvm-config-3.4", "llvm-config"]
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<bcolfer> I have a hash that is generated from json : {"one":1, "two":2} the keys are generated based on variables I send to another system that sends back JSON
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<bcolfer> apeiros: I would send a variable "foo" and the key would be "foo-1" so my hash would be {"foo-1": 1, "bar-2": 2}
<apeiros> bcolfer: key = "foo-1"; hash[key]
<apeiros> >> hash = {"foo-1": 1, "bar-2": 2}; key = "foo-1"; hash[key]
<eval-in> apeiros => /tmp/execpad-7d62f7ca31ca/source-7d62f7ca31ca:2: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting => ... (https://eval.in/162469)
<apeiros> >> hash = {"foo-1" => 1, "bar-2" => 2}; key = "foo-1"; hash[key]
<eval-in> apeiros => 1 (https://eval.in/162470)
<apeiros> yeah, you should use valid hash syntax…
<bcolfer> aperios: Thought I did that in 1.9.3 (jruby) I'll check again
<apeiros> {foo: 1} is valid, {"foo-1": 1} is not
<jhass> bcolfer: I've the suspicion that you complicate that up by trying to find an analogy/generalizing it. Tell us your specific problem, ideally show code
<apeiros> also my nick isn't aperios. use tab completion for nicks.
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<bcolfer> I send a call to a salt-api server to do a deployment
<bcolfer> apeiros, jhass: I send a call to a salt-api with the name of an application and its version. Salt returns back JSON with a nested data structure and the key I'm looking for is something like this "pkg-|-app_name_|-installed"
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<jhass> so I guess you parsed the json to hash and have the value of app_name, in a variable called app_name, just do response["pkg-|-#{app_name}_|-installed"]
<jhass> (see how much I still needed to guess? that's not good)
<naquad> is there something like each with each method for arrays? i have 2 arrays: [1, 2], [3, 4] and i would like to get: [1, 3], [1, 4], [2, 3], [2, 4]
<naquad> decart multiplication basically
<naquad> *cartesian product
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<jhass> >> [1,2].product [3,4]
<eval-in> jhass => [[1, 3], [1, 4], [2, 3], [2, 4]] (https://eval.in/162492)
<naquad> and what if i have 3 arrays?
<jhass> >> [1,2].product [3,4], [5, 6]
<eval-in> jhass => [[1, 3, 5], [1, 3, 6], [1, 4, 5], [1, 4, 6], [2, 3, 5], [2, 3, 6], [2, 4, 5], [2, 4, 6]] (https://eval.in/162493)
<naquad> cool, thanks
<jhass> next time just scroll to Array docs at least once. kaythx
<jhass> *through
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<bcolfer> jhass, apeiros: Damn you RubyMine IRB ... yes it works when running IRB outside of RubyMine ... thanks!
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