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jhuang >
What is the best way to distribute a Ruby command-line application? A gem? RBA? Or something else?
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zenspider >
look at flog or flay for simple examples
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jhuang >
Thank you! flog and flay, will check those out.
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jhuang >
zenspider: Do these gems have a source repository on Github? Or is 'ruby gem install <...>' the only way to obtain their source ?
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whitequark >
seattlerb/flog
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jhuang >
whitequark: Thanks.
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Is getoptlong the preferred command line parsing library to use for a command line application or is there another?
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I'd use slop
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sorry. went to dinner
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maloik >
out of curiosity, does seattlerb actually work on a lot of projects as a community?
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maloik >
as in, do people feel more compelled to help out when it's part of the UG?
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maloik >
or are there perhaps events around those projects?
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maloik >
just realized it might be an interesting way to try and spice up our own usergroup
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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yorickpeterse >
so I had this idea on the train
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yorickpeterse >
A street fighter game but using characters from the programming industry using my typical odd sense of humor
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yorickpeterse >
e.g. Guido van Rossum whips people using a python
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<
yorickpeterse >
Zed shaw beats people up using a guitar
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<
yorickpeterse >
Matz has this hadouken thing where he shoots rubies at people
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yorickpeterse >
I'm actually tempted to see if I can code that together
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yorickpeterse >
somewhat more controversial: I might add Zombie Ritchie
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<
yorickpeterse >
who rises from the grave
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yorickpeterse >
but perhaps that's a bit too much
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maloik >
zombie ritchie? I must be missing something here
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<
yorickpeterse >
Denis Ritchie
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<
yorickpeterse >
* Dennis
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surrounder >
lol, nice idea indeed
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yorickpeterse >
was thinking of doing that in Rust, but just the sprites and everything alone would take forever
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gpg_ >
ca i ask a capistrano question?
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DefV >
No questions today!
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* yorickpeterse
slaps DefV and starts getting carried away
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gpg_ >
hey jhass can i trouble u with a capistrano error debugging?
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* DefV
wonders where they are carrying yorickpeterse away to
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jhass >
I don't use capistrano
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gpg_ >
jhass: ok :)
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yorickpeterse >
DefV: hell
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DefV >
gpg_: just ask your question
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jhass >
gpg_: just ask your question and wait, don't search the right person to answer it
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DefV >
yorickpeterse: where you belong!
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yorickpeterse >
DefV: Yeah I have a date with Satan at 16:00
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gpg_ >
well i get permission denied when deploying and i just dont understand the error. i have added ssh key to github..so
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maloik >
I don't even see any permission denied in there
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maloik >
this might also help
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corecode >
so it seems I cannot replace Kernel#loop
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corecode >
interesting
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darix >
corecode: and you would do that why?
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corecode >
darix: i tried to stub loop out for a unit test
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corecode >
the program does an infinite loop
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apeiros >
>> module Kernel; def loop; yield; end; end; done = []; loop do done << :one; end; done
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apeiros >
corecode: flawless
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corecode >
i tried both def Kernel.loop; and Kernel.define_singleton_method
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darix >
corecode: he has superpowers.
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jhass >
corecode: that would define an instance method on the Module object Kernel points to
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jhass >
that's not the same method as is Kernel#loop
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jhass >
the loop method the module holds
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corecode >
ah, i understand.
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corecode >
oh nice, mri is using deprecated C functions that don't exist on bionic :/
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whitequark >
why would you want to run it on bionic O_o
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corecode >
so that i don't have to run some java stuff
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whitequark >
well yes, why would you want to do that?
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darix >
corecode: if you have a jvm ... why not jruby?
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corecode >
i need to run as root
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yorickpeterse >
You can run jruby as root
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yorickpeterse >
At least I'm pretty sure you can
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corecode >
will it also run as root on android?
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dorei >
corecode: ain't root on android a simple su app?
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yorickpeterse >
corecode: dunno, try it?
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corecode >
not the faintest idea how to try that
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dvorak >
jruby can certainly run as root in the general case
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corecode >
yes, of course
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corecode >
but on android? i don't know
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imperator >
greetings programs
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apeiros >
but… I'm a user!
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jhass >
just what a program would say. turing test failed
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apeiros >
phew, good thing I don't have to prove anything
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imperator >
dare i ask a licensing question?
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apeiros >
sounds like he only read the first line of the license
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apeiros >
and thought it applied to the source…
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<
apeiros >
section "Distribution of Modified Versions of the Package as Source" applies to forks IMO
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apeiros >
IANAL yadda yadda
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<
imperator >
i agree
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apeiros >
anyway… BSD 2 clause! (or MIT)
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apeiros >
really, I hesitate to use things which are not under any of those two licenses. simply because I don't want to deal with legal issues and don't want to read through wades of legalese
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yxhuvud >
apeiros:ISC license is another one that is simple enough.
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imperator >
apeiros, ok, added my response, hopefully i got it right :)
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<
imperator >
Interstellar Concordium?
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yxhuvud >
internet software. It is the license openbsd use for new stuff.
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apeiros >
yxhuvud: waaaaat? open*BSD* does not use
*BSD* license? teh fuck?
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imperator >
yxhuvud, ah, right, shoulda known Star Fleet Battles wasn't it ;)
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yxhuvud >
apeiros: the practical difference isn't all that big.
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apeiros >
yxhuvud: the practical difference is "oh gawd no, yet another license, staaaaahp!"
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yxhuvud >
point, but that attitude also leads to licenses never being simplified and improved.
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apeiros >
ISC is simpler than 2 clause BSD?
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yxhuvud >
with the usual disclaimer that I too ain't a lawyer.
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apeiros >
can somebody please kill all those yaks?
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apeiros >
I'm running out of razor blades :(
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yxhuvud >
can you do it the brasilian way?
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xybre >
imperator: grosser's code makes me sad :(
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imperator >
xybre, well, now i see what caused his concern in the first place
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imperator >
i dunno, nothing wrong with a license audit, but i wouldn't let programmers do it
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xybre >
imperator: I jsut can't believe he's never heard of the Artistic license if he's a programmer.
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imperator >
it is a bit odd
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apeiros >
I haven't heard of it before
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apeiros >
and I'm coding for >20y
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apeiros >
I consider licenses a necessary evil. I only touch them with a 10 yard stick
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huh. I just assumed everyone knew the licenses of major software, even if not which went to where.
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apeiros >
which major software uses artistic?
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apeiros >
I'm curious what it used back when I was still working with perl
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It used Artistic from the first release afaik, they later dual licensed it Artistic/GPL choose your own adventure.
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license compatibility…
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curious whether there's some table of code under which license can be redistributed under which other licenses
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"No license was specified for Perl version 1. Version 4.0.0 was released under GPL 1 with a few comments by Larry on his interpretation of the GPL. Version 4.0.36 had the Artistic License included, with only minor text differences to the license shipped with Perl 5 today. So, sometime between March 1991 and February 1993, the Artistic License was born."
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So I had it backwards, Perl was originally released with GPL v1 with his own liner notes which turned into the Artistic License later around 1992.
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apeiros >
yeah. iirc perl 5 was fresh out the presses when I started using it. might have partially worked with 4. not sure anymore. so I guess It'd have been already under artistic.
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Artistic v2 was apaprently designed to be compatible with GPL v2 and v3, even though its dual licensed already.
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considering that perl6 still isn't in working shape, I guess your knowledge is still relevant
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apeiros >
yxhuvud: you're assuming I retained my knowledge :(
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Perl 6 isn't working? since when?
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also my grasp of programming back then was still somewhat limited
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xybre: how many actually use it?
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yxhuvud: ask in #perl6, but "in use" has nothing to do with "working".
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I guess. python has much of the same issue.
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More people use PHP than Ruby.
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Does that mean Ruby doesn't work?
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people still use ruby?
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If you want to find out if it works, then you should give it a try. The perl6 implementaion rakudo is easy to install.
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apeiros: Only on mainframes
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apeiros: dunno. I've spent the last week generating lua using python.
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* apeiros
now wonders how old cobol was when people started saying "people still use cobol?"
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gave me an itch to do some refactoring in the rails project I usually spend my time on
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xybre >
It still weirds me out that FORTRAN is an actively developed language. It's like 60 years ago.
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apeiros >
hey now! that's younger than I am!
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imperator >
I guess Fortress never caught on
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PHP is younger than I am.
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latest rubyconf info is up - looks like san diego again
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xybre: Cobol is still actively developed aswell
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imperator >
i will be in dallas playing board games at that time :)
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xybre: and some companies pay a lot of money to have some machines that are still binary compatible to 50-60years ago
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darix, good question, i have not actually made any real effort to understand it
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though we may all have to, as rubygems already gives me warnings about dependencies
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what kind of warnings?
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"WARNING: open-ended dependency"
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ERROR IN APPLICATION. CORRECT SOURCE AND RESUBNIT
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imperator: uhm ... what ever drbrain wants to tell us with that
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apeiros. Yes. intercal.
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* apeiros
nits, supernits, subnits, strafenits…
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imperator >
prenits, postnits, aroundnits...
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* apeiros
shiftnits, pushnits
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nit is a tremendously cromulent word
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darix, well, i just wonder if at some point we'll get an error instead
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darix: Is it? I haven't looked into COBOL much. But yeah makes sense, a lot of companies were heavily invested in that old tech (hardware) and probably have no idea how it works.
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hm, should i try to get hash slicing added for 2.2?
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imperator >
it's been at least 5 years since i've been rejected by ruby-core, i think i'm due
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think what you want about activesupport monkey patching, but it sure add stuff back to the language. This isn't the first case
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Yeah like Array#forty_two
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ActiveSupport has added less than a dozen features that are worth much, but those handful are so basic that its embarassing that they weren't in the language to begin with. And once you accept a few patches why not add more and more and more..
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for the monkey patched stuff, I'd agree with xybre
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there are some non-monkey stuff things in AS which are quite valuable, but shouldn't be in core. though some could go into stdlib.
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e.g. multibyte and transliteration
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basic stuff can easily seem obvious in retrospect, but that doesn't mean they were obvious before someone actually demonstrated the usefulness. Symbol#to_proc comes to miund
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for example, slice and except may seem obvious but lua doesn't have them (afaik) despite tables being more or less the only datatype to do anything advanced in.
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(and a table is more or less a hash. the less part is that it is also used as an array).
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yxhuvud: sure (obviousness)
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I have a hash and the key is generated by another system based on a variable I create
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bcolfer >
How can I reference that key?
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xybre >
"based on a variable I create"
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apeiros >
bcolfer: I can't really make sense of your question
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apeiros >
bcolfer: you're talking about a Hash (hashmap) with a single key-value pair? and you don't know the key? or what?
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I'm having trouble installing ruby-llvm
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ThatTreeOverTher >
Cannot find llvm-config: tried ["llvm-config-3.4", "llvm-config"]
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I have a hash that is generated from json : {"one":1, "two":2} the keys are generated based on variables I send to another system that sends back JSON
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apeiros: I would send a variable "foo" and the key would be "foo-1" so my hash would be {"foo-1": 1, "bar-2": 2}
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apeiros >
bcolfer: key = "foo-1"; hash[key]
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apeiros >
>> hash = {"foo-1": 1, "bar-2": 2}; key = "foo-1"; hash[key]
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eval-in >
apeiros => /tmp/execpad-7d62f7ca31ca/source-7d62f7ca31ca:2: syntax error, unexpected ':', expecting => ... (
https://eval.in/162469)
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apeiros >
>> hash = {"foo-1" => 1, "bar-2" => 2}; key = "foo-1"; hash[key]
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apeiros >
yeah, you should use valid hash syntax…
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bcolfer >
aperios: Thought I did that in 1.9.3 (jruby) I'll check again
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apeiros >
{foo: 1} is valid, {"foo-1": 1} is not
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jhass >
bcolfer: I've the suspicion that you complicate that up by trying to find an analogy/generalizing it. Tell us your specific problem, ideally show code
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apeiros >
also my nick isn't aperios. use tab completion for nicks.
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I send a call to a salt-api server to do a deployment
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bcolfer >
apeiros, jhass: I send a call to a salt-api with the name of an application and its version. Salt returns back JSON with a nested data structure and the key I'm looking for is something like this "pkg-|-app_name_|-installed"
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so I guess you parsed the json to hash and have the value of app_name, in a variable called app_name, just do response["pkg-|-#{app_name}_|-installed"]
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jhass >
(see how much I still needed to guess? that's not good)
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naquad >
is there something like each with each method for arrays? i have 2 arrays: [1, 2], [3, 4] and i would like to get: [1, 3], [1, 4], [2, 3], [2, 4]
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naquad >
decart multiplication basically
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naquad >
*cartesian product
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jhass >
>> [1,2].product [3,4]
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naquad >
and what if i have 3 arrays?
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jhass >
>> [1,2].product [3,4], [5, 6]
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eval-in >
jhass => [[1, 3, 5], [1, 3, 6], [1, 4, 5], [1, 4, 6], [2, 3, 5], [2, 3, 6], [2, 4, 5], [2, 4, 6]] (
https://eval.in/162493)
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naquad >
cool, thanks
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jhass >
next time just scroll to Array docs at least once. kaythx
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jhass, apeiros: Damn you RubyMine IRB ... yes it works when running IRB outside of RubyMine ... thanks!
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