apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<zenspider> whitequark: https://gist.github.com/1b07878457afab11466d better
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<whitequark> yeh looks fine now
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<ruby-lang938> can someone here help a noob out?
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<uberjar> no soup for you!
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<uberjar> ruby-lang938: don't ask to ask.... just ask
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<ljarvis> moin
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<yorickpeterse> Crazy idea of the day (well, yesterday): lets use RSpec as a form of platform monitoring/testing
<yorickpeterse> That is, writing RSpec tests to ensure certain production components are working
<yorickpeterse> I've had crazier ideas
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<ljarvis> this is a thing
<yorickpeterse> haha
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: you're staying at the marriott right?
<ljarvis> as is benlovell
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: eh
<yorickpeterse> m8 I'm staying at Ibis Brighton Centre
<ljarvis> that is an ambiguous response
<ljarvis> oops i meant ibis
<ljarvis> which one? the rich one or the broke-ass one?
<yorickpeterse> Marriott...do I look like some rich pleb to you?
<ljarvis> heh
<yorickpeterse> 88-92 Queens road North LaineBrighton & Hove, BN1 3XE that one
<ljarvis> cool
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<ruby-lang006> hi there!
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<olance> I'm using URI to parse a URL, add params to it and join back everything to a string
<yorickpeterse> oh, apparently RSpec now also added specify() as an alternative to it/example and all the 15 others
<olance> but I end up with something like that: /url/path?limit=1\u0026start=2
<olance> why do I get a non-ASCII char for & ?
<ljarvis> olance: just use uri to handle it
<olance> ?
<olance> I need a String output to a json payload
<olance> here's how I set the uri.query:
<olance> uri.query = params.map { |key, value| "#{key}=#{value}" }.join('&')
<ljarvis> >> uri = URI("example.com?existing=param"); a = URI.decode_www_form(uri.query); a << ["some", "thing"]; uri.query = URI.encode_www_form(a); puts uri
<eval-in__> ljarvis => undefined method `URI' for main:Object (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/171776)
<ljarvis> >> require 'uri'; uri = URI("example.com?existing=param"); a = URI.decode_www_form(uri.query); a << ["some", "thing"]; uri.query = URI.encode_www_form(a); puts uri
<eval-in__> ljarvis => example.com?existing=param&some=thing ... (https://eval.in/171777)
<olance> oh OK
<olance> I hadn't realized encode_www_form would be used for that
<ljarvis> it's a ball-ache I know, but I dont like messing with uri string building because it sucks
<olance> :)
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<olance> agreed ^^
<olance> thanks for the tip I'll try that!
<ljarvis> you could probably use URI.tap and improve that code a lot
<ljarvis> np
<benlovell> tappity tap
<ljarvis> .tap { dancer }
<maloik> you designer you
<yorickpeterse> hurrr ass.tap
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<olance> hmmm I don't know much about #tap but I'll have a look ^^
<olance> thx :)
<ljarvis> >> Object.send(:define_method, :method_missing) { }
<eval-in__> ljarvis => :method_missing (https://eval.in/171778)
<ljarvis> >> Object.send(:define_method, :method_missing) { }; x
<eval-in__> ljarvis => wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/171779)
<ljarvis> oh you
<ljarvis> >> proc { |x| }.()
<eval-in__> ljarvis => nil (https://eval.in/171780)
<ljarvis> i always forget which way around that is
<ljarvis> >> lambda { |x| }.()
<eval-in__> ljarvis => wrong number of arguments (0 for 1) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/171781)
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<sonvu_ae> hello anybody there?
<olance> yup
<olance> hi
<sonvu_ae> I have problem, i just start learning Ruby
<sonvu_ae> hi olance
<sonvu_ae> Here is the code: http://pastebin.com/ME6MDVLc
<sonvu_ae> I'm confuse that why ruby know |wordaa| in string variable
<olance> what do you mean, "in string variable" ?
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<sonvu_ae> I mean i just created a block and put wordaa as parameter and ruby automatic know how to get value from it
<olance> oh
<olance> nope :)
<olance> you've called each on your variable
<sonvu_ae> olance: string is count_words method parameter
<olance> each is an iterator, it will call the block you've given it with each character of the string
<sonvu_ae> so ruby automatic know wordaa when i call each?
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<sonvu_ae> oh i just get it
<olance> you could see your block do |wordaa| ... end as a function
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<olance> do you know javascript?
<sonvu_ae> it mean each method of string.each will return every word in "string"?
<sonvu_ae> yes i see, i'm come from java :)
<olance> ok
<olance> not sure you get this in Java though, but this is really like an anonymous function in javascript
<olance> your block is an argument to the each method
<sonvu_ae> so each method will return every word in "string"
<sonvu_ae> and put that into |wordaa|?
<olance> the each method will call your block repeatedly, once for each word of your string
<olance> yes :)
<olance> well in wordaa
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<sonvu_ae> well its now clearly
<olance> the pipes | are just the syntax in Ruby to enclose block arguments
<ljarvis> btw "string" isn't a string
<sonvu_ae> ruby syntax more lightly than Java
<olance> ah indeed it's an Array
<sonvu_ae> i know "string" is an array
<olance> I had missed that ^^
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<ljarvis> ok, at least you named it appropriately
<sonvu_ae> yep now i just get it
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<sonvu_ae> this block things is hard to get it
<sonvu_ae> thanks olance :)
<olance> :)
<olance> you're welcome!
<olance> blocks are hard yes, but very useful ;)
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<olance> ljarvis: encode_www_form can take a hash as an argument, so it's probably better to use decode_www_form(uri.query).to_h so that existing params can easily be overriden :)
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<sonvu_ae> olance: can you explain array[][] is what?
<sonvu_ae> i already know that array[x] is for access value from x position in array
<sonvu_ae> but array[x][y]
<workmad3> sonvu_ae: it's exactly the same
<workmad3> sonvu_ae: but requires array[x] to be holding another array (or something else you can access with [])
<sonvu_ae> like 2 dimension array?
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<workmad3> sonvu_ae: ruby doesn't have native n-dimensional arrays... but an array of arrays is a close enough approximation for most people yes :)
<olance> sorry sonvu_ae I was away
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<olance> but workmad3 got it :P
<sonvu_ae> yes thanks workmad3 and olance
<sonvu_ae> i move from Java so though Ruby have dimension array
<sonvu_ae> and do you have good book recommend for start learning ruby
<olance> sure :)
<sonvu_ae> is that book easy to go?
<olance> I honestly don't know for sure
<olance> both are references
<sonvu_ae> I have Programming Ruby 4th edition but it not fit for me
<olance> ah
<olance> well I don't know then :/
<olance> I haven't learned Ruby with books
<ledestin> I find Pragmatic Bookshelf books very good
<sonvu_ae> It have block example like what i just asked but it not explain what array.each |block|
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<sonvu_ae> You haven't learned with books?
<ledestin> this one is what I used http://ruby-doc.com/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
<ledestin> long time ago
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<olance> nope I just followed some tutorials here and there a long time ago and learned while working on a Ruby on Rails app
<sonvu_ae> yes i following on Pracmatic Guide Programming Ruby
<sonvu_ae> but i see it not fitted me
<sonvu_ae> Learning Ruby while working RoR app maybe cool
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<sonvu_ae> Hash.sort_by can lead into 2-dimension array?
<sonvu_ae> ex: {"the"=>3, "problem"=>1} can break into [["keep", 1], ["problem", 1]]
<sonvu_ae> and access with array[x][y]?
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<ledestin> >> { 1 => ‘foo’, 2 => ‘bar’ }.sort_by { |k, v| k }
<eval-in__> ledestin => undefined local variable or method `‘foo’' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/171795)
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<sonvu_ae> ledestin: it return 2-dimension array?
<ledestin> sonvu_ae: yes
<workmad3> ledestin: heh :) smart-quote fail ;)
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<workmad3> sonvu_ae: it returns an array of arrays anyway
<sonvu_ae> yes i got it :)
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<workmad3> sonvu_ae: if you ever end up using a language that does have proper n-dimensional arrays, it's useful to keep the concept separate from an array of arrays ;)
<sonvu_ae> i did research but it only return the result with sort-by {|a| a}
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<sonvu_ae> not sort_by {|k,v| k}
<sonvu_ae> thanks workmad
<sonvu_ae> better keep it different with Java
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<sonvu_ae> what is the different if i wrote { 1 => ‘foo’, 2 => ‘bar’ }.sort_by { |k, v| v } instead of { 1 => ‘foo’, 2 => ‘bar’ }.sort_by { |k, v| k }?
<ledestin> sonvu_ae: the way you want it sorted
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<ledestin> sonvu_ae: try executing it
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<sonvu_ae> ok executed :)
<sonvu_ae> sort_by { |k, v| v } will "sort by value" right?
<sonvu_ae> searched on ruby-doc but they didnt explain this case
<ledestin> sonvu_ae: well, docs explain that it sorts by whatever block returns
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<sonvu_ae> oh i see
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<sonvu_ae> thanks for your time :)
<ledestin> sonvu_ae: welcome
<gregf__> >> puts [ { :name => "foo", :sal => 1_000 }, { :name => "foo", :sal => 10_000 }, { :name => "bar", :sal => 100 }, { :name => "baz", :sal => 500 }].sort_by { |item| [item[:name],item[:sal]] }
<eval-in__> gregf__ => {:name=>"bar", :sal=>100} ... (https://eval.in/171801)
<sonvu_ae> clearly example ;)
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<sonvu_ae> what decice the way array is sorted is [item[:sal], item[:name]] right?
<sonvu_ae> ruby blocks is great but hard to catch up with a beginner
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<sonvu_ae> "item[:name]" is not nessecery
<sonvu_ae> if write "[item[:name], item[:sal]]" it will sort for "item[:name]" anyway
<sonvu_ae> even when remove "item[:sal]"
<gregf__> sonvu_ae: that sorts base on name and if the names are identical it sorts on sal
<sonvu_ae> oops :)
<sonvu_ae> i was thought it only sorts base on name or anythings come first only
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<sonvu_ae> what is in block will determine the way it sorts right?
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<sonvu_ae> you missed "h", sir
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<mark06> ah thanks!
<workmad3> sonvu_ae: when you use sort_by with a block, the collection is sorted by using <=> on the values returned from the block
<workmad3> mark06: ok... and how is that better than OptParser? or trollop? or thor? :)
<sonvu_ae> can u explain sort_by { |k, v| v } sorted by using <=> on what?
<workmad3> sonvu_ae: effectively, sort_by will create a new collection by calling that block on each item and recording the returned value
<workmad3> sonvu_ae: and will then sort using those values
<workmad3> sonvu_ae: <=> is just an operator in ruby that is semantically good for sorting (as it's meant to return -1 for less than, 0 for equal and 1 for greater than)
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<mark06> workmad3: it is explained in the readme file :P but one of the main advantages is that you need *one line* and everything is parsed into $options hash and $arguments array
<workmad3> mark06: one line and a large comment section
<sonvu_ae> after your answear and doing another research now i can understand ruby blocks and sort_by things :)
<workmad3> mark06: as opposed to one line and a block of configuration, etc...
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<workmad3> mark06: also, you don't support a fairly common argument pattern... '-o SOMEVALUE'
<workmad3> mark06: and no gem version ;)
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<mark06> it's an initial version workmad3, there are many ideas we can implement and that's certainly one.....
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<mark06> about large comment section, that's your help text, you'd write at best the same lines with unreadable code... ruby logic mixed with formatting logic.... that's solved by just allowing you to freely format your help text as you desire...
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<ledestin> mark06: I find that option + block is easier to understand
<mark06> the double-hash doc is three things at the same time... 1) your --help (you don't define an option in one place then write the help in another, you define the option only once)
<mark06> 2) your script documentation (you don't put copyright/license/version in comments, then in --help, then in variables.... you write it only once)
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<mark06> 3) the option definition itself.... then just require easyoptions and it's done... no blocks, api calls, option specs needed....
<mark06> for sure there are fields for improvements though... for example I miss an automated --version, and as you said workmad3, -o VALUE style....
<mark06> and also I miss macros beyond @script.name... e.g. @script.version (in case you need to store it in a variable, then it reads that var and you don't have to update version in more than one place...)
<workmad3> mark06: sure, I guess it's suitable for very simple options parsing needs... but I wouldn't say it was much easier than using optparse personally (which also generates the help strings for you when you define the option, keeps it all in one place, etc.)
<workmad3> mark06: and if you want to add in things like being able to specify whether something should be typecast or not, you'll likely end up with some much harder to read constructs
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<workmad3> mark06: also... what happens if I wanted to pass in filenames using your option parser that looked like '0000022212'? ;)
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<mark06> hmm no easyoptions won't generate help strings like optparse..... you will, by writing that comment, that *is* your help string..... easyoptions actually does the opposite.... it takes your help text and creates the option spec from there
<mark06> i.e. it knows what options your program can handle by reading your --help :P
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<mark06> I'd like to add type-aware options, yes.... but not with configuration mixed with that help text or any sort... it actually can handle integer at the moment, iirc.... if you pass a number it is automatically parsed into integer....otherwise as string.... and non-value options are booleans....
<mark06> I'd like to add lists, e.g. "--line-break=windows|unix|mac"
<mark06> ah yeah the filename would turn into an integer :)
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<workmad3> mark06: yeah... and my point with optparse is that optparse will construct your help message from your options, while easyoptions will deconstruct your options from your help message... either way, you're writing pretty much the same information ;)
<workmad3> mark06: i.e. an automatic help message isn't really a differentiating feature (which is kinda what you claimed ;) )
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<mark06> I imagined something simple like a prefix before the value string, e.g. --output=FILE (string even if passing number), but if it's --output=N:NUMBER or --output=number:NUMBER (or whatever syntax we come up wtih) then it should be easy to fix your filename case while making the help text still readable....
<mark06> or maybe we could use a small database of keywords for guessing the type.... so FILE, FILENAME, PATH and such would always be string, and COUNT, NUMBER etc.... that would be number....
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<mark06> there's a very similar project called docopt too
<mark06> no I didn't claim about the auto --help, that's only one small part of it, if you actually go through the readme :P
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<mark06> one thing about easyoption that I like is that you don't need to remember how to use it at all :P
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<mark06> I used optparse in the past... but don't remember how to write that once again.... http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+junk/trf/view/head:/trf.rb
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<mark06> easyoptions in real life:
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<mark06> and where's process_options? :)
<mark06> I personally don't like that style because the code isn't as readable as the formatted help and you are limited to the format chosen by the underlying tool....
<ledestin> well, it’s optparse-like, which is what I happen to like
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<darix> banister: if you use syntax in pry that is not compatible with ruby 1.8 could you add a corresponding ruby dep to the gem spec? tia.
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<banister> darix huh?
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<banister> darix oh you mean lock it down to ruby 1.9+
<banister> im not sure
<darix> banister: >= 1.9
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<darix> banister: well "gem install pry" pulls me an incompatible pry version on my 1.8 system
<darix> not sure how useful that is :)
<darix> banister: not sure how to express "allow >= 1.9 for MRI and basically any rubinius/jruby version"
<darix> :)
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<banister> darix btw why are you still on 1.8? :)
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<darix> banister: because 1.9+ is not a drop in replacement for 1.8 so you cant just upgrade it on enterprise distros?
<darix> banister: we would have loved if it were. it would have saved us a lot of "fun"
<banister> darix it's not that hard to upgrade it…everyone else has, about 2 years ago ;)
<darix> banister: oh we have packages for it. but who will upgrade all the ruby code that the customer run on their systems?
<banister> darix ssh session? :)
<darix> banister: ...
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<foucist> does ruby have anything like irb's _ ?
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<foucist> def foo; 1 + 1; ha = _; puts ha; end; foo #=> 2
<foucist> probably a good idea not to have that lol
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<centrx> foucist, I thought _ was just the plainest possible variable name, such as for discarding one result
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<foucist> centrx: yeah
<foucist> centrx: irb _ returns last result
<centrx> crazy b
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<ljarvis> maloik: LOL I just saw your PM from like a month ago :/ sorry
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<ponch> Hey y'all i need some help if any of y'all have a have a second
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<ponch> i'm trying to download a file from amazon s3 with my app and im getting a 403 forbidden error
<ponch> i'm using the open("#{link}
<ponch> send_data method
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<ponch> anyone on ?
<centrx> ponch, I am not sure about #send_data, try getting it to work without that component?
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<ponch> centrx, the send_data is the portion that actually sends the download to the computer for download
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<centrx> ponch, Try #rubyonrails for that
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<ponch> ah alright sorry i'm am i on the wrong irc?
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<centrx> ponch, This is a fine channel, you'll just find more people familiar with Rails on #rubyonrails
<centrx> ponch, #send_data looks like a Rails method, part of ActionController
<centrx> ponch, The recommendation I was making before was to do a minimal reproduction of the error. Does open(link) work by itself, without the forbidden message?
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<ponch> well now i'm more confused than i was bc the file downloaded without me seeing at like 11:25 so at one point it worked but its thown an error each time
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<ponch> checking right now
<ponch> no it doesn't it gives the 403
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<ponch> @centrx i think that might be the trouble line -- the thing that has me confused is that this exact code has worked in the past
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<ponch> yes @monees
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<ruby-lang477> Hello all, anyone have any exerience trying to get devise and openldap working?
<ruby-lang477> I am having issues with authentication and I am just stumpped.
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<centrx> ruby-lang477, Try #rubyonrails
<centrx> ruby-lang477, You will need to register a nickname with Freenode to join that channel
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<tejas-manohar> yo anyone checked out the new gmail api with ruby?
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<tejas-manohar> anyone used it?
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<tejas-manohar> does anyone know how to do this?
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<centrx> Do what?
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<yorickpeterse> the worm
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<wallerdev> lol
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<tejas-manohar> hey ruby folks im a complete noob and need to learn how to do http requests in ruby for gmail api
<tejas-manohar> anyone wanna help
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<yorickpeterse> tejas-manohar: what have you tried?
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<tejas-manohar> i dont know where to start
<tejas-manohar> :)
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<yorickpeterse> tejas-manohar: In risk of sounding like an ass, http://google.com/ is your starting point
<yorickpeterse> Queries such as "ruby http" should get you a long way
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<yorickpeterse> If you're looking for HTTP clients better than the crap that somes with stdlib, give https://github.com/nahi/httpclient or https://github.com/tarcieri/http a try
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<emmesswhy> hey guys, has anyone done the problems in chris pine's "learn to program"?
<emmesswhy> i'm having issues with one of the problems
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<emmesswhy> i get what's going on
<emmesswhy> the only problem i have is understanding what's going on in line 19
<emmesswhy> why is "smallest" assigned to "tested_object"?
<emmesswhy> sorry, i'm new to blocks and it's confusing me a bit
<emmesswhy> i get the rest, i just don't understand that line
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<emmesswhy> btw it's a sort algorithm haha
<emmesswhy> shoulda mentioned that
<drbrain> on line 17 you compare the tested object to the previously-found smallest object
<drbrain> if you've found a new one (line 17) you need to set it to the smallest
<emmesswhy> but the "smallest" object at the point only points to the last element in the array
<emmesswhy> that point*
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<emmesswhy> hence the pop method
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<drbrain> yep, but line 13 is a guess
<emmesswhy> a guess? :p
<drbrain> since you didn't look at any other items in unsorted you don't know if it is really the smallest
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<drbrain> [5, 3, 8, 7, 4]
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<drbrain> which one is smallest?
<emmesswhy> so 3...
<drbrain> how do you know?
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<emmesswhy> um :P
<drbrain> … you looked at each element and found that 3 was smaller than all the rest, right?
<emmesswhy> well yes
<emmesswhy> i am human :P
<drbrain> your algorithm does the same thing, but the computer needs to compare two numbers
<emmesswhy> i get that part
<emmesswhy> i just don't get what happens when "smallest = tested_object"
<emmesswhy> what actually happens there?
<drbrain> oh, sorry
<emmesswhy> because "tested_object" isn't actually an object...right?
<emmesswhy> it just points to all the elements in the array
<emmesswhy> so i'm a bit confused :/
<drbrain> it replaces the value in smallest (4 in the above list) with the value being looked-at
<emmesswhy> thanks for bearing with me btw :P
<drbrain> it's an object, in the above list, 5 would be first
<drbrain> then 3
<drbrain> since 3 < 4 is true, then smallest becomes 3
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<emmesswhy> oh i see
<drbrain> … first tested_object would be 5, then 3, then 8, then 7
<tejas-manohar> can someone help me make a POST request with rest-client
<emmesswhy> so if smallest isn't actually the smallest, then that assignment makes the next object the actual smallest
<drbrain> yes
<tejas-manohar> I see the usage example under "Usage: Raw URL"
<emmesswhy> but only if smallest_object < smallest
<emmesswhy> thank you so much :P
<drbrain> yay!
<tejas-manohar> what's the difference between the two POST formats
<tejas-manohar> RestClient.post 'http://example.com/resource', :param1 => 'one', :nested => { :param2 => 'two' }
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<tejas-manohar> and the bottom one
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<drbrain> looks like one does rails-style params and the other does json params with headers
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<akahn> is there any reason to use Rails's constantize over const_get?
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<drbrain> if you've already got activesupport loaded, probably not
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<tejas-manohar> hey guys, i need some ruby help with gmail restful api
<tejas-manohar> anyone willing to help me out?
<tejas-manohar> https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/v1/reference/users/messages/send -- trying to find out how to send an email -- im using the rest-client gem btw
<tejas-manohar> the method im writing takes in sender's email, recipent's, subject and body
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<karamazov> I'm dealing with some JSON which serves me an array of hashes. I've selected the specific has I want and it is currently [{"name" => "foo", "desc" => "bar:}] How can I remove it from the array?
<karamazov> *selected the specific array
<apeiros> ary.delete
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<karamazov> apeiros: Would that be better than be just referencing the array as response[0]?
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<karamazov> *me
<apeiros> karamazov: you didn't mention with one word why you want to delete the hash from the array. how do you suppose I deduce your use case and decide what solution is best?
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<karamazov> Bad wording, apologies
<apeiros> delete is more expensive than referencing. with the given information, there's not much more I could say.
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<karamazov> apeiros: I'm new to JSON but I receive and array full of hashes, I then filter that array down to a single hash -> [{"name" => "foo", "desc" => "bar:}] but when I want to set parameters I can only submit a hash. Wasn't sure if there was a more eloquent way of turning it into a hash besides referencing it.
<karamazov> Man...spelling today *receive an array
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<apeiros> hash = ary.first
<apeiros> but maybe you can use a more eloquent way of filtering
<apeiros> which yields a single hash to start with, instead of an array
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<karamazov> This is how I'm currently doing it https://gist.github.com/anonymous/72692169fb84c7eb5eb3
<karamazov> That specific code filers out all the data I don't need from the API and gives me all the repos of a user.
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<apeiros> open("https://api.github.com/users/xxxxxx/repos").read --> open("https://api.github.com/users/xxxxxx/repos", &:read) # ensure closing if all handles
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<karamazov> Thanks - didn't know about handles
<apeiros> I'm not quite sure about where you get the single hash
<apeiros> parsed_response after line 3?
<karamazov> Ah - didn't include the second part
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<jxport> Ack, I think I should have asked my question here..
<karamazov> I populate a select field with all the repo names, the user selects one, then I filter that out of the collection to yield one hash within the array
<apeiros> karamazov: use .find instead of .select
<jxport> When is it appropriate to use keyword arguments?
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<karamazov> apeiros: I'll give it a try real quick, thanks
<ledestin> jxport: when your audience wouldn’t mind using it
<karamazov> apeiros: Perfect...thank you!
<jxport> ledestin: I like the idea of not necessitating parameter ordering - I'm concerned I might overuse it, though (is that possible?)
<ledestin> jxport: it’s a replacement of {} at the end
<jxport> ledestin: my thought is - why not use it whenever there are 3+ parameters?
<jxport> And then - why not even just 2+?
<karamazov> I missed the part in the ruby-doc where select says it returns an array :)
<ledestin> jxport: that’s a good idea IMHO
<ledestin> jxport: consider switch(true/false), a contrived example. you could use a keyword argument, or better, 2 methods
<ledestin> jxport: turn_on and turn_offf
<jxport> ledestin: what about methods that only have two parameters? Would that be excessive?
<karamazov> apeiros: Can you explain the closing of handles? I'm not finding much on google
<ledestin> jxport: I follow readability, if it’s readable it’s good
<jxport> ledestin: it can just get very duplicative quickly
<ledestin> jxport: example?
<jxport> object.method(keyword1 : keyword1, keyword2 : keyword2, keyword3 : keyword3)
<apeiros> karamazov: in block-form, open ensures that before returning, the handle is closed
<jxport> ledestin: a sensible user of a method will likely have the parameters already in a sensibly named local
<ledestin> jxport: good point, sometimes you would have
<apeiros> karamazov: basically it's along: def open(resource); handle = open_without_block(resource); yield(handle); ensure; handle.close; end
<karamazov> Gotcha, and I was leaving the handle open?
<apeiros> without block form, you'd be responsible to close the resource
<karamazov> Without closing it, it'd just be sitting there eating up memory yeah?
<apeiros> correct. you didn't close it explicitly. the finalizer will eventually close it. but that can be whenever.
<apeiros> memory is probably the lesser issue. you can run out of handles.
<apeiros> and it's bad style :)
<karamazov> I can't be sporting bad style! Thanks for cleaning me up.
<ledestin> jxport: a good point, but sometimes it might be literals
<apeiros> yw
<apeiros> ledestin: toggle :on, and toggle :off. love ruby :p
<ledestin> jxport: consider that most of Ruby core is w/o that. so if you use it often, you don’t want to do keyword args I guess
<ledestin> apeiros: toggle :off
<ledestin> apeiros: else raise
<ledestin> and I still prefer toggle_off for readability somehow
<apeiros> depends on the use-case
<apeiros> if you need it parametrized, it can be annoying to have the if/else outside all the time
<apeiros> but yeah, sure. I e.g. have rails_logs_on and _off in my .pryrc
<tejas-manohar> aight
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<jxport> Googling Ruby always brings old results on the homepage, like 2009 / 2012 (wtf)
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<ledestin> what’s the [best] JS testing framework closest to RSpec?
<tejas-manohar> jasmine
<tejas-manohar> good experiences
<tejas-manohar> that would be a great question for SO... :)
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<ledestin> tejas-manohar: thanks
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<tejas-manohar> anyone know anything about mimemessage in ruby?
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