ljarvis changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p547: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<TvL2386> hi guys, I have put a static file in the public directory (RAILS_ROOT/public/mydir/readme.txt), but with assets:clean I assume it gets removed?
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<TvL2386> wrong assumption... just test it TvL2386...
<TvL2386> so my conclusion is that it is perfectly correct to put RAILS_ROOT/public/mydir/readme.txt in my git repo
<TvL2386> lol this is ruby-lang and not RubyOnRails... .excuse me!!!
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<yorickpeterse> TvL2386: Yeah how dare you ask a Rails question in here
* yorickpeterse slaps TvL2386 a few times
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<gpg_> hello.... where can i see documentation for this statement : sql = <<SQL some sql statement SQL
<gpg_> also i cant find the << documentation
<gpg_> i know its insert
<gpg_> thank you
<whitequark> it's not insert...
<gpg_> oh ok
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<yorickpeterse> It's a heredoc
<apeiros> hm, though that's not very explaining
<gpg_> so heredoc is just a string object but multiline?
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<matti> yorickpeterse: I needz moar tunes.
<gpg_> thanks yorickpeterse
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<gpg_> yorickpeterse: btw the other day u said something super enlightening..cant remember what..but...thanks alot man
<gpg_> yorickpeterse: it was about crypto :) so thumbs up
<benlovell> gpg_: are you sure it was yorickpeterse :trollface:
<gpg_> benlovell: :)
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<yorickpeterse> gpg_: euh
<yorickpeterse> matti: ever heard of Pax Japonica Groove?
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<yorickpeterse> gpg_: Ah yes, the StackOverflow question
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<yorickpeterse> matti: if you're into hip-hop then Michita (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRr5JbZQTM) is pretty good
<yorickpeterse> and Nujabes and the likes
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<gpg_> how to include a class with class name rather than file name?
<gpg_> inlcude 'classname'
<gpg_> include*
<jhass> you can't include a class by filename
<gpg_> jhass: great :)
<gpg_> :P
<gpg_> so how by class name
<jhass> and typically you don't include classes, you include modules
<jhass> do you confuse include and require maybe?
<yorickpeterse> Module != Class
<gpg_> maybe
<yorickpeterse> You can only `include` a Module
<jhass> yorickpeterse: but Class < Module
<gpg_> ok i want to inlcude a model.rb in my rails c
<gpg_> to use some methods and test functionality
<jhass> the rails console loads all models by default
<yorickpeterse> jhass: neg
<yorickpeterse> autoload
<jhass> did you try just using the model?
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<yorickpeterse> It doesn't hard require() them
<gpg_> so how to acces variables
<gpg_> inside my model.rb
<gpg_> from rails c
<yorickpeterse> what?
<jhass> ^
<gpg_> or is this only possible in debugger
<gpg_> ?
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<jhass> we're still not sure what you want to do
<gpg_> see contents of instance variable in model.rb
<gpg_> within rails c
<gpg_> is it pos
<jhass> Did you try Model.find(123).field?
<jhass> just like you would do in a controller
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<gpg_> this would query db
<gpg_> ?
<jhass> sure
<jhass> do you even try stuff?
<gpg_> :)))
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<gpg_> not enough sleep
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<yorickpeterse> oh, already left
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<ljarvis> hmm
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<anjen> Hi, I'm configuring a new PC online for Ruby/RoR development, in which I need to support both older (1.8.7/2.3.5) apps and be install and be prepared for the newer version of ruby and rails (both to migrate the old work and for any new work). Is RVM the "defacto standard" when it comes to what people use for Ruby verison management?
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<benlovell> anjen: it's a matter of opinion
<anjen> Or are there better alternatives?
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<anjen> yes benlovell, I figured...and why I'm asking ;)
<|jemc|> anjen: I use rbenv
<benlovell> most folks probably use rvm but depending on your views either rbenv or chruby are better
<benlovell> i use rbenv
<anjen> May I ask why? (doesn't need to be a book, just a quicky reply)
<anjen> ^^ why rbenv
<benlovell> sorry, i only reply in book form
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<anjen> ha! Ok, a book then
<benlovell> :)
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<havenwood> anjen: RVM has the most popularity but is over 20,000 lines of shell so it is complicated and does a lot. RVM has excellent support for older systems and Rubies.
<yorickpeterse> benlovell: YOU USE RBENV???111
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<havenwood> anjen: rbenv is a simpler solution that uses shims, chruby is simpler yet and properly sets env vars.
<benlovell> A WILD yorickpeterse APPEARS
<anjen> Thanks havenwood
<benlovell> yorickpeterse: it's a team decision i have to live with.
<yorickpeterse> benlovell: lel for forced tooling choices
<benlovell> yah
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<workmad3> benlovell: the team influences your local shell env? :(
<TvL2386> yorickpeterse, sorry sorry sorry
<yorickpeterse> workmad3: when your dev environment equals your production environment nothing can go wrong
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<yorickpeterse> You know for sure that if it works locally it works in production
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: if only :P
<yorickpeterse> sarcasm intended
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: :D
<benlovell> workmad3: yah it is a sad state of affairs
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: if you run rbenv on your servers, you deserve whateven happens? ;)
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<workmad3> *whatever
<benlovell> but to be fair, so long as i'm not using rvm
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<workmad3> benlovell: heh :) I used to quite like rvm... then it started foisting stuff like rubygems-bundler into the default installs
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<TvL2386> I'm using the brightbox ppa
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<anjen> Thanks for the answers, discussion, and alteratives to check out. Much appreciated folks.
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<nottheoilrig> i want to split a string into parts that match one regex
<nottheoilrig> parts that match a second regex
<nottheoilrig> and the parts in between
<jhass> can you maybe provide example input and desired output?
<nottheoilrig> jhass: thx yes
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<nottheoilrig> input 'xxxb^Hbb^Hbb^Hbxxx_^Hu_^Hu_^Huxxx'
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<nottheoilrig> eventual output 'xxx<b>bbb</b>xxx<u>uuu</u>xxx'
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<jhass> mmh, I've trouble following the rules for that
<nottheoilrig> the simplified first regex is '(.)\b\1'
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<nottheoilrig> the simplified second regex is '_\b.'
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<nottheoilrig> the actual regexes are a little more involved but independently they are working
<nottheoilrig> my challenge is applying them to the input so i can rip out the parts that match the first
<nottheoilrig> parts that match the second
<nottheoilrig> and the parts in between
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<jhass> since I still don't really understand the rules (your 'simplified' regexps dont't match the example), I guess it'll have to be =~ to get the index of the first, slice out that part, =~ on the remaining string to get the index of the second and slice out that part
<nottheoilrig> ^H in the input corresponds to \b in the regex
<nottheoilrig> sorry
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<jhass> you know that \b in a regexp means word boundaries?
<nottheoilrig> oops checking
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<nottheoilrig> good point "\b" or "\x08" or ^H is what i meant
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<nottheoilrig> anyway im used to doing this in python with re.split('((.)\b\1)|(_\b.)', input)
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<nottheoilrig> i notice there is String.split() in ruby
<jhass> yeah, that should work the same
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<nottheoilrig> not for me unfortunately
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<jhass> your_string.split(/((.)\x08\1)|(_\x08)/)
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<nottheoilrig> when i do that i get an array (good)
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<nottheoilrig> the trouble is that i cant tell which element of the array corresponds to which regex
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<jhass> I seem to get the same result in python (stripping a few None's)
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<nottheoilrig> in python i get ['xxx', 'b\bbb\bb\bb', 'b', None, 'xxx', None, None, '_\bu_\bu_\bu', 'xxx']
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<jhass> what's your real goal? Like replacing \x08bxxx\x08b with <b>xxx</b> ?
<nottheoilrig> so i can tell element [1] came from the first regex
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<nottheoilrig> element [3] and [7] came from the second regex
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<nottheoilrig> in general element i % 4 == 1 is capturing group 1
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<nottheoilrig> i % 4 == 3 is capturing group 3
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<jhass> so, again, your real goal is replacing \x08bxxx\x08b with <b>xxx</b> ?
<nottheoilrig> real goal is replace x\bxx\bxx\bx with <b>xxx</b> for all values of x
<nottheoilrig> and _\bx_\bx_\bx with <u>xxx</u> for all values of x
<jhass> meh, that's some weird format
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<nottheoilrig> that regex would be more like (?:(.)\x08\1)+
<nottheoilrig> sorry
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<nottheoilrig> and (?:_\x08.)+
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<jhass> I'd probably just do .gsub(/x\x08(.)/, '<b>\1</b>').gsub(/_\x08(.)/, '<u>\1</u>').gsub(Regexp.union('</b><b>', '</ul><ul>'), '') + some hash and interpolation stuff to remove the duplication
<whitequark> how about using an HTML parser
<jhass> doesn't look like html
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<jhass> well, it's generating html
<jhass> not parsing it
<whitequark> for tag post-processing
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<nottheoilrig> i reached for .gsub() first as well
<nottheoilrig> the problem is i also need to escape tags if already present in the input
<nottheoilrig> lemme try an example
<jhass> what's the problem with that? just escape them before the conversion phase
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<nottheoilrig> there is a glitch with that
<nottheoilrig> if the input is
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<nottheoilrig> <\x08<b\x08b>\x08>
<nottheoilrig> or something funky like that
<nottheoilrig> the *correct* output would be
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<nottheoilrig> <b>&lt;b&gt;</b>
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<nottheoilrig> ... but thats not what you get if you escape before conversion ...
<jhass> who designs such formatting m(
<nottheoilrig> which is why i started reaching for .split() instead
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<nottheoilrig> the ideom id use in python is
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<nottheoilrig> for group in parts[0::4]:
<dan2> hi - i have a simple ruby question
<nottheoilrig> yield escape(group)
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<nottheoilrig> for group in parts[1::4]:
<dan2> in the ruby cookbook, i see import statements, even in the 2nd edition, but i don't think ruby uses import.
<nottheoilrig> yield '<b>' + escape(group) + '</b>'
<nottheoilrig> for group in parts[3::4]:
<nottheoilrig> yield '<u>' + escape(group) + '</u>'
<dan2> so should i not use the cookbook?
<nottheoilrig> but im struggling to port that idiom to ruby
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<jhass> meh, .gsub(/(.)\x08\1/) {|m| "<b>#{CGI.escapeHTML(m[1])}</b>" }.gsub(/_\x08(.)/) {|m| "<u>#{CGI.escapeHTML(m[1])</u>" }.gsub(Regexp.union('</b><b>', '</ul><ul>'), '') I guess
<nottheoilrig> jhass: nice but what about the parts in between?
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<nottheoilrig> or did i miss something in your example ...
<jhass> mmh, no
<dan2> guys - please see my question :)
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<nottheoilrig> dan2: yeah as far as i know ruby has only "load" and "require" not "import"
<dan2> so my question again -> I see in the ruby cookbook, the book uses import statements. Isn't that wrong?
<dan2> ok
<dan2> great
<dan2> so even the latest cookbook uses import - whats up with that?
<dan2> thing is I'd like to use the cookbook, but its a disappointment
<jhass> what cookbook?
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<dan2> the one by lucas carlson
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<dan2> with a fox like thing on the cover
<havenwood> ah, a book
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<jhass> so nothing we can look at I guess
<havenwood> dan2: Sure it was #import?
<havenwood> dan2: They didn't define the method earlier in the book or something?
<dan2> example 'deleting a file'
<dan2> the link i posted is reachable - you'll see what i mean guys
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<jhass> eh, that's plain wrong
<dan2> yeah and its the latest edition too 2014 last update
<havenwood> dan2: I'd guess a polyglot author forgot which language they were using. Send a note to the editor. :)
<dan2> ok thanks for the clarification guys
<jhass> mmh, maybe it's about jruby?
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<jhass> still, even then it should be a require there
<dan2> yeah
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<dan2> its amazing how every time i attempt to learn ruby i look up something to compare it with other languages and bang some shit like this happens
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<nottheoilrig> dan2: the author probably just meant "require"
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<dan2> yes - i know what you mean, but this kinda thing is so inexcusable and discouraging
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<jhass> nottheoilrig: .gsub(/(?:(.)\x08\1)+|(?:_\x08(.))+|.+?/) {|m| if m[1] == "\x08"; t = m[0] == '_' ? 'u' : 'b'; "<#{t}>#{m.gsub(/(.)\x08(.)/) { CGI.escapeHTML($2) }}</#{t}>"; else; CGI.escapeHTML(m); end } # I'll take a shower now...
<nottheoilrig> jhass: awesome thanks a lot for your help!
<nottheoilrig> jhass: this is the format
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<jhass> meh, that happens if you mix data representation with formatting
<jhass> they should never have stored in that format
<jhass> instead they should have generated that from a sane format on demand
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<nottheoilrig> hmm you mean <b>foo</b> is sane but f\x08fo\x08o\x08o is not
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<jhass> yes, because <b>foo</b> is SGML (a, hum, "well", defined language) and b is describing what it is
<nottheoilrig> i guess it depends what program youre using to view/edit it?
<jhass> the overstriking stuff is the mechanism used to achieve the desired result, it's not a description
<jhass> it's related to the mechanical process of generating it
<nottheoilrig> okay maybe the overstriking comes from a semantic source
<nottheoilrig> like groff
<nottheoilrig> and im just translating from one presentation format (overstrike) to another (HTML+CSS)?
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<jhass> my point is that it should never have been used as a semantic format, the fact that it was doesn't defeat that argument. It's certainly parsable, but it's unnecessary hard
<nottheoilrig> you say overstike on demand and translate source (eg groff) to html+css
<jhass> and the strict translation would be <b>b</b><b>b</b> not <b>bb</b> I guess
<jhass> I say store in a sane format, today I would choose some OpenDocument stuff, maybe TeX or Markdown, and translate to the required output format on demand
<jhass> SGML isn't the best format to store either, it has too many liberties
<nottheoilrig> well since the input is overstrike at this point all i have is presentation so as long as they look the same its equivalent?
<jhass> but at least we have robust parsers for it by now
<jhass> yeah, basically another point that overstrike is bad, it looses the semantic intent and only leaves the resulting effect, mostly
<jhass> *bad for storage
<jhass> anyway, it's what you have and what you need to handle, so I end my rant here
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<nottheoilrig> i appreciate the analysis
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<crankharder> any idea why bundle would die with "invalid switch in RUBYOPT: -S" while building a native extention? I don't have that env variable set, so I imagine bundler is setting it?
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<drbrain> crankharder: space in path?
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