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surrounder: tenderlove can't even
*push* the racc-jruby gem for like
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two months
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whitequark >
errr sunaku ^
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i've got a gem installed. if i run it from the command line ($ gem_name) it works fine, but invoke it as system('gem_name') from within a ruby script, in a directory with a Gemfile, it crashes with: gems/bundler-1.6.2/lib/bundler/rubygems_integration.rb:252:in `block in replace_gem': gem_name is not part of the bundle. Add it to Gemfile. (Gem::LoadError)
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rubygems detects whether its invoked on the command line and requires inclusion in the Gemfile or not accordingly?
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Hello
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The problem appears to be that my def get_string is not returning the correct input after looping
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I'm trying to get a %w() to work on the value of a variable. Google doesn't seem to give any results with variables.
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AlyssaDaemon: show some code as a gist
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AlyssaDaemon: well, why not use [searchString]?
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ledestin: because I need to seperate via whitespace
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ledestin: my desired result (From the gist is) ["hello", "world"]
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ledestin: well ["Hello", "World"]
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>> "Hello World".split
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havenwood: Huh, so why even have %w?
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AlyssaDaemon: [‘foo’, ‘bar’] is better as %w(foo bar)
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maloik >
"we updated our systems at the time you received your first error, but were pretty sure its a problem on your end. did you update java?"
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morning
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dostoyevsky >
For regular expressions there is \p{script} ... can I somehow ask a unicode character for its script?
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apeiros >
dostoyevsky: not with plain ruby
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apeiros >
dostoyevsky: what you can do is get the codepoint. scripts are organized in ranges.
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apeiros >
there also might be gems which help with that
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dostoyevsky >
apeiros: Yep... I currently just use the codepoint values... but having a mapping to the script would be convenient
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yeah, gem then. maybe somebody has done that mapping for you already.
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yorickpeterse >
Random question: for syntax there are dozens of ways of describing what it looks like (BNF for example)
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yorickpeterse >
Is there something similar for data structures? Typically I use something like Markdown lists but I'm curious if there's something more specific for this
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: UML!
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* apeiros
feels helpful
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<
yorickpeterse >
also I don't see UML working that well for datastructures
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well, at least not for what I want it to do
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dorei >
yorickpeterse: sql's schema can describe data ;-)
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yorickpeterse >
hmmm
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<
yorickpeterse >
Actually that's not even the craziest idea
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yorickpeterse >
Swagger has some stuff like that and it's "ok"
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But I was basically hoping for something that was an "official" thing
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yorickpeterse >
That is, similar to how BNF is at least commonly used/specified (and also bastardized)
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yorickpeterse >
I guess I want SOAP
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yorickpeterse >
._.
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<
yorickpeterse >
well something like a schema
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yorickpeterse >
then it's enterprise
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workmad3 >
yorickpeterse: EERD?
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workmad3 >
yorickpeterse: or do you want something non-diagramatic?
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yorickpeterse >
Preferred something I can write in plain text
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yorickpeterse >
e.g. I like BNF because it's fairly strict while still allowing some form of freeform text
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workmad3 >
yorickpeterse: hmm... ruby? :P
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yorickpeterse >
It's perhaps not suited for non devs, but it's a pretty compact way of describing "X consists out of this"
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yorickpeterse >
e.g.
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yorickpeterse >
<cache-key> ::= "foo_" <user-id>
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workmad3 >
e.g. 'class Person; attr_reader :name, :age; end'? :P
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workmad3: this would be pulled into a docs system
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yorickpeterse >
or at least it should be able to
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workmad3 >
yorickpeterse: yeah... I'm drawing a blank tbh, most of the stuff I've done has either been xml-schema type crap or diagrams
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workmad3 >
yorickpeterse: or just code
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yorickpeterse >
dorei: Hm, I guess a DDL would be it
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yorickpeterse >
I guess pseudo SQL would do
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dorei >
that wikipedia entry makes it seems to be rather coupled with sql, i've got no idea if that's the case
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yorickpeterse >
Something something that xkcd standards comic
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yorickpeterse >
* ._.
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yorickpeterse >
dat enterprise
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yorickpeterse >
I need help
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yorickpeterse >
also this isn't exactly easier to grok than plain text, dang it
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gregf_ >
yeah, if the .js file is included twice there'l be 2 ajax requests
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gregf_ >
bah :/ sorry
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yorickpeterse >
hm having said that, if I trim the enterprise fat it might actually be useful
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apeiros >
ljarvis: ping - you are working on natural language time expressions, right? (like "yesterday" --> Time.now - 1.day)
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maloik >
I think there's a couple more folks here who work on Chronic as well
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maloik >
can't recall who though
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yorickpeterse >
Note to self: vim-tabularize doesn't like you aligning 200 000 rows in a file
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yorickpeterse >
though it actually didn't take that long
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apeiros: correct
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yorickpeterse: yeah brighton ruby are gonna expect a bunch of degenerates
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ljarvis: hahaha
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yorickpeterse: when do you touch down?
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ljarvis: 09:05 in Stansted
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taking the loco2 hype train to Brighton
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should be there around 12:00 I believe
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zzak__: have you sorted your accommodation yet?
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zzak is coming too?
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oh wait, he's speaking
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derp
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ljarvis: have you played with moment.js' nat lang parser?
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ljarvis: so for Brighton I'm tempted to get myself white sport socks, sandals and a straw hat
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pretty sure the hat would actually fit me
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apeiros: No I've heard of it, not spent any time with it, how come?
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yorickpeterse: haha, you'd fit right in
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ljarvis: porting chronos to javascript
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moment.js seems to be the best js date lib I came across
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and chronos lacks natural language parsing of dates/durations
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something tells me this is the right thing to do…
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there's kronic too
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I think so
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ljarvis: weren't you working on Chronic 2.0 or something?
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you showed some teaser a while ago
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it's.. on hold :(
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ljarvis: which one would you use as a "template" if you'd write a natlang parser from scratch?
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not sure tbh, I haven't really looked at much of the js libs
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ljarvis: wat
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y u do dis
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ljarvis: relapse is not on github apparently?
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apeiros: no not yet, it's not quite there
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would you be interested in porting it to JS? :) (only if you're fine with BSD-2-clause and/or MIT license)
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a = [{a: 1, b: 2}, {a: 2, b: 3}]
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a.map {|x| x[:a]}
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PaulePanter >
Hi. Is there a shorter way to get all the values of the key `a`?
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No, the map version is the shortest
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yorickpeterse: Thanks.
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is there a simple syntax to define a private method ?
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hi, what is prefered....rvm or rbenv? coming from python's virtualenv with it's virtualwrapper
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defining a method and telling ruby it is private afterwards does not feel very straight forward to me
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tockitj: class Foo; …public methods; private; …private methods; end
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tockitj: all methods after calling 'private' without args are private
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and as of ruby 2.1: private def foo; …; end
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is there to localize private statement to next method.. ah ok
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apeiros: heh :) I was about to mention that, but couldn't remember if it was from 2.0 or 2.1
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thanks :)
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this one is important, thanks
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tockitj: yeah, ruby 2.1 made a small change to 'def'... it now returns the symbol of the method name
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hmmz.. why does this error on ruby 2.1: `class A; def a; self.b; end; private def b; :bbb; end; end.new.a`
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I get `NoMethodError: private method `b' called for #<A:0x000000013f0588>`
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tockitj: that would error on every ruby version
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tockitj: private methods can't be called with an explicit target
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tockitj: which includes 'self'
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ah, ok - thanks
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ok, ok - it works now
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tockitj: it demonstrated that your method was made private though ;)
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did not expect this - strange constraint
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tockitj: yeah... it's basically what 'private' means in ruby... no explicit target
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is there a difference between private and protected in ruby ?
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tockitj: yes
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i recall that they do not work as in other languages - private members are inherited iirc
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tockitj: protected is 'can be called by instances of the same class'
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tockitj: only compare against private methods of other languages
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tockitj: a 'private member' is pretty non-sensical in ruby ;)
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ah ok.. so private means - method can be called only by `self`, and protected means that it can be called by any instance that has that class in ancesstors list
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both private and protected are inherited by subclasses, right ?
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tockitj: the methods are inherited, yes
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dman777_alter >
why is javascript runtime required for rails?
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tockitj: and you can call private methods from a superclass... you just have to use an implicit 'self'
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dman777_alter: a) #rubyonrails, b) it's not required for rails... it's required for coffee-rails and uglifier which are part of the default Gemfile for asset pipeline support
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<workmad3> tockitj: a 'private member' is pretty non-sensical in ruby ;)
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heh, in what sense is it nonsense :D
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workmad3 >
tockitj: 'private member' in e.g. java is referring to an instance variable... and in ruby, instance variables don't have any external visibility
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tockitj: so all instance variables are internal state... and called instance variables (or ivars) rather than members :)
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workmad3: thanks
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thanks workmad (:
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hmmz.. just curious is there another languages that treats private/protected like ruby does ?
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what is a good alternative to pow for linux?
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what's pow?
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I am trying to use Ruby like an easy-to-use shell scripting language. So, I am making a call like `ps aux | grep clam[d]`.empty? to check if process ‘clamd’ is running.
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I discovered something strange: if I run that call in an irb, the output of “ps aux” varies depending on the width of my terminal. Meaning: instead of wrapping a line that is too wide, the info just gets cut off. So, the “grep” might find nothing even when a ‘clamd’ process is running, because the process names are actually cut off the output of ps aux.
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Is there an alternative to `` for calling shell commands that returns the output of those shell commands? Is this only an issue when running in irb in an actual terminal, e.g., it goes away if I call the script via ruby, or run it from cron.
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bnmn: I don't this doesn't directly answer your question.
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but pgrep -f is better to use than ps piped to grep
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never knew about pgrep, that looks useful
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both pgrep and pidof return nothing if the process isn’t running…I should just use them instead of that piping mess.
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probably
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bnmn: just never do pkill -v
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it is not verbose ;)
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