apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<whitequark> surrounder: tenderlove can't even *push* the racc-jruby gem for like
<whitequark> two months
<whitequark> errr sunaku ^
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<wioux> i've got a gem installed. if i run it from the command line ($ gem_name) it works fine, but invoke it as system('gem_name') from within a ruby script, in a directory with a Gemfile, it crashes with: gems/bundler-1.6.2/lib/bundler/rubygems_integration.rb:252:in `block in replace_gem': gem_name is not part of the bundle. Add it to Gemfile. (Gem::LoadError)
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<wioux> rubygems detects whether its invoked on the command line and requires inclusion in the Gemfile or not accordingly?
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<ruby-lang197> Hello
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<ruby-lang197> Anybody want to help me with why this doesn't work? https://gist.github.com/jdschmidt/3508789b20fad78e5c01
<ruby-lang197> The problem appears to be that my def get_string is not returning the correct input after looping
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<AlyssaDaemon> I'm trying to get a %w() to work on the value of a variable. Google doesn't seem to give any results with variables.
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<ledestin> AlyssaDaemon: show some code as a gist
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<ledestin> AlyssaDaemon: well, why not use [searchString]?
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<AlyssaDaemon> ledestin: because I need to seperate via whitespace
<AlyssaDaemon> ledestin: my desired result (From the gist is) ["hello", "world"]
<AlyssaDaemon> ledestin: well ["Hello", "World"]
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<havenwood> >> "Hello World".split
<eval-in> havenwood => ["Hello", "World"] (https://eval.in/168298)
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<AlyssaDaemon> havenwood: Huh, so why even have %w?
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<ledestin> AlyssaDaemon: [‘foo’, ‘bar’] is better as %w(foo bar)
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<maloik> "we updated our systems at the time you received your first error, but were pretty sure its a problem on your end. did you update java?"
<maloik> doh
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<dostoyevsky> For regular expressions there is \p{script} ... can I somehow ask a unicode character for its script?
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<apeiros> dostoyevsky: not with plain ruby
<apeiros> dostoyevsky: what you can do is get the codepoint. scripts are organized in ranges.
<apeiros> there also might be gems which help with that
<dostoyevsky> apeiros: Yep... I currently just use the codepoint values... but having a mapping to the script would be convenient
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<apeiros> yeah, gem then. maybe somebody has done that mapping for you already.
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<yorickpeterse> Random question: for syntax there are dozens of ways of describing what it looks like (BNF for example)
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<yorickpeterse> Is there something similar for data structures? Typically I use something like Markdown lists but I'm curious if there's something more specific for this
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: UML!
* apeiros feels helpful
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<yorickpeterse> also I don't see UML working that well for datastructures
<yorickpeterse> well, at least not for what I want it to do
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<yorickpeterse> http://hastebin.com/raw/edorugajor e.g. this is what I'd typically do
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<dorei> yorickpeterse: sql's schema can describe data ;-)
<yorickpeterse> hmmm
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<yorickpeterse> Actually that's not even the craziest idea
<yorickpeterse> Swagger has some stuff like that and it's "ok"
<yorickpeterse> But I was basically hoping for something that was an "official" thing
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<yorickpeterse> That is, similar to how BNF is at least commonly used/specified (and also bastardized)
<yorickpeterse> I guess I want SOAP
<yorickpeterse> ._.
<yorickpeterse> well something like a schema
<yorickpeterse> then it's enterprise
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: EERD?
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: or do you want something non-diagramatic?
<yorickpeterse> Preferred something I can write in plain text
<yorickpeterse> e.g. I like BNF because it's fairly strict while still allowing some form of freeform text
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: hmm... ruby? :P
<yorickpeterse> It's perhaps not suited for non devs, but it's a pretty compact way of describing "X consists out of this"
<yorickpeterse> e.g.
<yorickpeterse> <cache-key> ::= "foo_" <user-id>
<workmad3> e.g. 'class Person; attr_reader :name, :age; end'? :P
<yorickpeterse> workmad3: this would be pulled into a docs system
* workmad3 is about to get slapped
<yorickpeterse> or at least it should be able to
<dorei> yorickpeterse: I think schemas are rather official, check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_definition_language
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: yeah... I'm drawing a blank tbh, most of the stuff I've done has either been xml-schema type crap or diagrams
<workmad3> yorickpeterse: or just code
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<yorickpeterse> dorei: Hm, I guess a DDL would be it
<yorickpeterse> I guess pseudo SQL would do
<dorei> that wikipedia entry makes it seems to be rather coupled with sql, i've got no idea if that's the case
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<yorickpeterse> Something something that xkcd standards comic
<yorickpeterse> http://xkcd.com/927/
<dorei> lol
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<yorickpeterse> * ._.
<yorickpeterse> dat enterprise
<yorickpeterse> I need help
<yorickpeterse> also this isn't exactly easier to grok than plain text, dang it
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<gregf_> yeah, if the .js file is included twice there'l be 2 ajax requests
<gregf_> bah :/ sorry
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<yorickpeterse> hm having said that, if I trim the enterprise fat it might actually be useful
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<apeiros> ljarvis: ping - you are working on natural language time expressions, right? (like "yesterday" --> Time.now - 1.day)
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<maloik> I think there's a couple more folks here who work on Chronic as well
<maloik> can't recall who though
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<yorickpeterse> Note to self: vim-tabularize doesn't like you aligning 200 000 rows in a file
<yorickpeterse> though it actually didn't take that long
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<ljarvis> apeiros: correct
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: yeah brighton ruby are gonna expect a bunch of degenerates
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: hahaha
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: when do you touch down?
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: 09:05 in Stansted
<yorickpeterse> taking the loco2 hype train to Brighton
<yorickpeterse> should be there around 12:00 I believe
<ljarvis> haha
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<ljarvis> zzak__: have you sorted your accommodation yet?
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<yorickpeterse> zzak is coming too?
<yorickpeterse> oh wait, he's speaking
<yorickpeterse> derp
<ljarvis> :D
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<apeiros> ljarvis: have you played with moment.js' nat lang parser?
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: so for Brighton I'm tempted to get myself white sport socks, sandals and a straw hat
<yorickpeterse> pretty sure the hat would actually fit me
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<ljarvis> apeiros: No I've heard of it, not spent any time with it, how come?
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: haha, you'd fit right in
<apeiros> ljarvis: porting chronos to javascript
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<apeiros> moment.js seems to be the best js date lib I came across
<apeiros> and chronos lacks natural language parsing of dates/durations
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<apeiros> something tells me this is the right thing to do…
<ljarvis> there's kronic too
<ljarvis> I think so
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: weren't you working on Chronic 2.0 or something?
<yorickpeterse> you showed some teaser a while ago
<ljarvis> relapse
<ljarvis> it's.. on hold :(
<apeiros> ljarvis: which one would you use as a "template" if you'd write a natlang parser from scratch?
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<apeiros> tomoz?
<apeiros> ah
<ljarvis> um
<ljarvis> not sure tbh, I haven't really looked at much of the js libs
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: wat
<yorickpeterse> y u do dis
<ljarvis> wot m8
<apeiros> ljarvis: relapse is not on github apparently?
<ljarvis> apeiros: no not yet, it's not quite there
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<apeiros> would you be interested in porting it to JS? :) (only if you're fine with BSD-2-clause and/or MIT license)
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<PaulePanter> a = [{a: 1, b: 2}, {a: 2, b: 3}]
<PaulePanter> a.map {|x| x[:a]}
<PaulePanter> Hi. Is there a shorter way to get all the values of the key `a`?
<yorickpeterse> No, the map version is the shortest
<PaulePanter> yorickpeterse: Thanks.
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<tockitj> is there a simple syntax to define a private method ?
<dman777_alter> hi, what is prefered....rvm or rbenv? coming from python's virtualenv with it's virtualwrapper
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<tockitj> defining a method and telling ruby it is private afterwards does not feel very straight forward to me
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<apeiros> tockitj: class Foo; …public methods; private; …private methods; end
<workmad3> tockitj: all methods after calling 'private' without args are private
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<apeiros> and as of ruby 2.1: private def foo; …; end
<tockitj> is there to localize private statement to next method.. ah ok
<workmad3> apeiros: heh :) I was about to mention that, but couldn't remember if it was from 2.0 or 2.1
<tockitj> thanks :)
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<tockitj> this one is important, thanks
<workmad3> tockitj: yeah, ruby 2.1 made a small change to 'def'... it now returns the symbol of the method name
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<tockitj> hmmz.. why does this error on ruby 2.1: `class A; def a; self.b; end; private def b; :bbb; end; end.new.a`
<tockitj> I get `NoMethodError: private method `b' called for #<A:0x000000013f0588>`
<workmad3> tockitj: that would error on every ruby version
<workmad3> tockitj: private methods can't be called with an explicit target
<workmad3> tockitj: which includes 'self'
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<tockitj> ah, ok - thanks
<tockitj> ok, ok - it works now
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<workmad3> tockitj: it demonstrated that your method was made private though ;)
<tockitj> did not expect this - strange constraint
<tockitj> true (:
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<workmad3> tockitj: yeah... it's basically what 'private' means in ruby... no explicit target
<tockitj> is there a difference between private and protected in ruby ?
<workmad3> tockitj: yes
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<tockitj> i recall that they do not work as in other languages - private members are inherited iirc
<workmad3> tockitj: protected is 'can be called by instances of the same class'
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<workmad3> tockitj: only compare against private methods of other languages
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<workmad3> tockitj: a 'private member' is pretty non-sensical in ruby ;)
<tockitj> ah ok.. so private means - method can be called only by `self`, and protected means that it can be called by any instance that has that class in ancesstors list
<tockitj> both private and protected are inherited by subclasses, right ?
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<workmad3> tockitj: the methods are inherited, yes
<dman777_alter> why is javascript runtime required for rails?
<workmad3> tockitj: and you can call private methods from a superclass... you just have to use an implicit 'self'
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<workmad3> dman777_alter: a) #rubyonrails, b) it's not required for rails... it's required for coffee-rails and uglifier which are part of the default Gemfile for asset pipeline support
<tockitj> <workmad3> tockitj: a 'private member' is pretty non-sensical in ruby ;)
<tockitj> heh, in what sense is it nonsense :D
<workmad3> tockitj: 'private member' in e.g. java is referring to an instance variable... and in ruby, instance variables don't have any external visibility
<tockitj> true! :)
<workmad3> tockitj: so all instance variables are internal state... and called instance variables (or ivars) rather than members :)
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<dman777_alter> workmad3: thanks
<tockitj> thanks workmad (:
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<tockitj> hmmz.. just curious is there another languages that treats private/protected like ruby does ?
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<dman777_alter> what is a good alternative to pow for linux?
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<sunaku> what's pow?
<sunaku> Math.pow?
<pixelhandler> sunaku http://pow.cx
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<sunaku> oh cool
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<sunaku> here's a linux alternative to pow: https://github.com/ysbaddaden/prax
<sunaku> it has a nice homepage too: http://ysbaddaden.github.io/prax/
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<bnmn> I am trying to use Ruby like an easy-to-use shell scripting language. So, I am making a call like `ps aux | grep clam[d]`.empty? to check if process ‘clamd’ is running.
<bnmn> I discovered something strange: if I run that call in an irb, the output of “ps aux” varies depending on the width of my terminal. Meaning: instead of wrapping a line that is too wide, the info just gets cut off. So, the “grep” might find nothing even when a ‘clamd’ process is running, because the process names are actually cut off the output of ps aux.
<bnmn> Is there an alternative to `` for calling shell commands that returns the output of those shell commands? Is this only an issue when running in irb in an actual terminal, e.g., it goes away if I call the script via ruby, or run it from cron.
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<bougyman> bnmn: I don't this doesn't directly answer your question.
<bougyman> but pgrep -f is better to use than ps piped to grep
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<bnmn> never knew about pgrep, that looks useful
<bnmn> thanks
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<bnmn> both pgrep and pidof return nothing if the process isn’t running…I should just use them instead of that piping mess.
<bougyman> probably
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<darix> bnmn: just never do pkill -v
<darix> it is not verbose ;)
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