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<keith-man> is there a list of the propgation delay for each elements that make up ICE40 HX?
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<keith-man> okay. What units is that file in?\
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<sorear> picoseconds
<keith-man> kk and why the numbers formatted like that
<keith-man> IOPATH I O 208.578:230.644:259.498 174.754:193.243:217.417
<keith-man> I see number colon number colon number.
<sorear> Haven't figured that part out yet.
<keith-man> is the number in the center the time when the value has peak and so is it rise peak fall? is the second number like fall min rise?
<sorear> My current best guess is that they're three separate values from three separate runs of icecube
<sorear> Possibly corners
<sorear> the icestorm code takes the max of them, does not use them independently
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<keith-man> okay is one the set rise time and the other set fall time?
<keith-man> so do we have min avg and max
<keith-man> well it looks like this script generates those txt files
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<rqou> azonenberg_work: idle thought: we should do a badge for defcon
<azonenberg_work> Because i toootally need more things to do with my time
<rqou> yup :P
<pie_> bad-ge
<pie_> wow. https://www.patreon.com/dutchcoders well, bandwidth happens i guess
<awygle> anyone know what happened to that thing where you could put ads in your github Readme?
<rqou> wtf?
<awygle> I feel like I read something about github shutting it down, but I can't find the official statement.
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<rqou> hey azonenberg_work, how's the house btw?
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<azonenberg_work> rqou: we have one room 100% finished for in-wall stuff (ready for rough electrical inspection, still needs insulation and sheetrock)
<azonenberg_work> Goal is to finish room #2 to that extent by saturday - we have to pull out a bunch of old insulation, frame out a new stud wall over some bare concrete, then put power in the new wall plus the wall it shares with the garage
<azonenberg_work> then room #3 ideally on sunday, it needs a stud wall over some concrete, power in that wall, and a jumper to connect two strings of outlets that i already have installed
<azonenberg_work> oh, and data wiring still
<azonenberg_work> During the week we'll probably start work on the future office room, that was entirely tabled while waiting for a sub to jackhammer out the concrete slab and install a french drain
<azonenberg_work> They finished that earlier today so once the concrete cures enough that i can build a wall on top, i can start framing out that room
<azonenberg_work> in the meantime i can rip out the old electrical outlets on the one wall i kept (interior wall, all of the exterior walls had the studs removed)
<azonenberg_work> and start putting power on that
<rqou> wait, why does your office need a drain?
<azonenberg_work> After that, i have to rip out sheetrock on one side of the stairs and install a light switch for the already-installed overhead light box
<azonenberg_work> and the first floor is ready for electrical inspection
<azonenberg_work> Because we're at the bottom of a hill in a very wet part of the country with underground springs all over the place
<azonenberg_work> About 5 gallons of water per hour are trying to get into the basement
<azonenberg_work> The sump pump couldnt suck it out fast enough
<rqou> wait, is the office in the basement?
<azonenberg_work> Yes
<azonenberg_work> well, first floor / basement
<azonenberg_work> its below grade on one side and at grade on the other
<rqou> ah ok
<rqou> no earthquake concerns?
<azonenberg_work> There's earthquake concerns in the entire pacific northwest :p
<azonenberg_work> not more so in this area afaik
<rqou> right, but usually basements aren't too popular in earthquake-prone regions?
<azonenberg_work> every house i've seen here has one
<azonenberg_work> because here's so many hills
<azonenberg_work> If you build a house flat and the ground is sloped, you have two options
<azonenberg_work> have the uphill side underground, or the downhill side floating above ground
<azonenberg_work> the former is more stable
<rqou> ok
<rqou> i guess the bay is just a lot more flat
<azonenberg_work> yeah
<azonenberg_work> The office room has grade level around chest height
<rqou> also, at least over in the PNW you actually have housing :P
<azonenberg_work> meanwhile, on the other end of the house
<azonenberg_work> the lab has grade level at floor level
<azonenberg_work> its a garage
<azonenberg_work> s/is/was/
<azonenberg_work> Lol, barely
<azonenberg_work> seattle real estate market is NUTS
<rqou> still less than the bay
<azonenberg_work> bainbridge was nuts as well, median home price there is up to 800K
<rqou> still less than the bay
<rqou> :P
<azonenberg_work> not by much
<azonenberg_work> seattle is worse
<rqou> still less than SF :P
<azonenberg_work> they had a condemned hulk ready for the bulldozer selling for $575
<azonenberg_work> The land was probably worth 600+ alone, they discounted it because you had to level the building first
<rqou> btw an article is currently floating around the bird website about a guy who wants to build an apartment building in SF
<rqou> it's taken 4 years and $1m and construction isn't allowed to start yet
<azonenberg_work> if it makes you feel any better
<azonenberg_work> bainbridge just imposed a moratorium on further development as well
<azonenberg_work> for some months until some new zoning laws are approved
<rqou> O_o
<rqou> they got bit by the nimby disease too?
<azonenberg_work> the only building permits they're granting are existing applications in process
<azonenberg_work> and renovations to existing single family residences
<azonenberg_work> Meanwhile out in poulsbo where we're moving
<azonenberg_work> the city has a population of 10,290
<azonenberg_work> according to the sign at the border
<azonenberg_work> We're a bit closer to downtown than i really wanted, and our new street is a relatively quiet residential road that people have taken to using as a shortcut between two other parts of town
<azonenberg_work> So we get lots of thru traffic
<azonenberg_work> But it's affordable, we own the place, and i can build an evil lair finally :p
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<rqou> better than me cramming evil lairs in my parents' house :P
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<azonenberg_work> Lol
<azonenberg_work> well its gonna be another year or so until i actually have it to the point i'm happy, i think
<azonenberg_work> considering that a lot of the gear i still want to get is expensive
<azonenberg_work> the proposed new UPS is $8K
<azonenberg_work> 23U / 1100 pounds of batteries
<azonenberg_work> 6 kVA peak output, will run 5 kW for 75 minutes or 700W for 8 hours
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<rqou> lol much bigger than my 900VA consumer-grade device :P
<rqou> <troll> you should get solar panels </troll>
<azonenberg_work> i have a 1500 now
<azonenberg_work> but its not enough
<rqou> PNW = no sun ever :P
<azonenberg_work> the new one will be hard wired to a 50A subpanel
<rqou> solar feeding a HVDC grid would be "interesting"
<rqou> (assuming you have sun of course, which you don't)
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<azonenberg_work> soooo this is interesting
<azonenberg_work> i need to investigate
<azonenberg_work> apparently my NAS is running in 100baseT mode instead of gig
<azonenberg_work> I wonder how long this has been going on
<azonenberg_work> that would explain things being slow lately...
<rqou> lol
<rqou> no 10g nas for you?
<azonenberg_work> not yet
<azonenberg_work> i wonder if this is a bad crimp or something
<azonenberg_work> yeah TDR shows pair D open at 2m length
* azonenberg_work goes out to garage
<azonenberg_work> wonder if loose cable or bad crimp or what
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<azonenberg_work> Weko
<azonenberg_work> Welp*
<azonenberg_work> In the process of swapping the (confirmed bad) cable between the nas and the switch
<azonenberg_work> i unplugged the cable to my border router without noticing
<azonenberg_work> Lol
<azonenberg_work> now that THAT link is up...
<azonenberg_work> i'm finally NFS'ing at 1gbps
<rqou> lol
<rqou> wait NFS?
<azonenberg_work> yes
<rqou> you should consider switching to 9p
<rqou> no stupid kernel mode server implementing an awful protocol
<azonenberg_work> lol
<azonenberg_work> nfs works just fine if i actually run it at full speed
<azonenberg_work> I need to stick a 10g card in the nas after i move
<azonenberg_work> they arent too pricey and i'll have fiber everywhere anyway
<rqou> oh yeah, 9p is much more resilient when run across slow links
<azonenberg_work> my problem was that i was trying to pull a vivado install image onto another box
<azonenberg_work> i needed to saturate it :p
<rqou> ah
<rqou> btw idk if all of the glue has been written but you can use 9p as rootfs over a serial link
<rqou> this is useful if you're ever bringing up a deeply embedded box
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<awygle> nfs4 is finally pretty good
<rqou> hmm maybe
<rqou> iirc nfs4 is basically a rewrite?
<rqou> the mechanisms for configuring the kernel-mode server is still annoying
<awygle> Yes, and it was terrible for a while but now it's finally decent
<rqou> 9p's server is just a simple userspace binary
<awygle> "we made it stateful for speed!" "it's 40% slower"
<rqou> you can do things like run it in a user namespace too
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<azonenberg_work> yeah i do everything with nfs4
<rqou> ugh, currently studying power electronics, and magnetic materials are super finicky and annoying
<rqou> why do these things actually have nontrivial physical size and weight? :P
<awygle> mu
<rqou> also TIL skin effect really does matter :P :P
<rqou> (i'm mostly a digital guy)
<awygle> digital just means lying to nature
<rqou> i'm going to get so screwed when i get around to actually building my "learn how to build high-speed digital" board
<awygle> ... I'm gonna go to bed.
<awygle> PCBs are soothing because there's an unambiguous right way to do everything
<rqou> i should force you to spend the rest of your life carefully winding inductors :P
<awygle> I built an inductor winding robot
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<awygle> For magnetorquers
<rqou> wait, you've actually built designs with nontrivial magnetics?
<rqou> did you also take EE113?
<rqou> wait wait wait
<awygle> Nnnno I don't think so
<rqou> "The magnetorquer creates a magnetic field that interfaces with an ambient magnetic field, usually Earth's"
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<awygle> Yup
<rqou> wtf who thought of this and why does this work?
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<awygle> I SPIN DA SPACE SHIP
<awygle> It's absolutely required so you can dump your momentum bias from your reaction wheels
<awygle> It's just a backwards compass nbd
<sorear> isn't it a regular compass?
<awygle> You're using it for the opposite effect but the mechanism is the same
<awygle> I wanted to build a hemholtz (sp?) cage but never got around to it
<awygle> Anyway. Sleeeep.
<rqou> oh wtf
<rqou> magnetic core loss numbers can be measured in W/lb
<rqou> WHAT ARE THESE UNITS?!
<rqou> what is wrong with american engineers?
<rqou> azonenberg_work: ^
<rqou> how do you like W/lb as a unit?
<azonenberg_work> lol watts per pound?
<azonenberg_work> wut
<rqou> yup
<rqou> sane people would measure the loss in W/cm^3 instead
<azonenberg_work> or even W/in^3
<azonenberg_work> But W/lb is useless without knowing the density of the core
<azonenberg_work> and even if i did, i cant imagine why power per unit mass, vs volume, would be useful to me
<rqou> the textbook says "The specific gravities of magnetic steel alloys are all approximately 8"
<rqou> :P
<rqou> magnetics comes from "that" era of engineering
<rqou> where really skilled MEs have all of these figures memorized
<azonenberg_work> lol
<rqou> also it comes from the era where power transformers actually weighed a non-negligible number of pounds :P
<rqou> well, they still do
<rqou> but people find ways to use different transformers instead
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<jn> "The specific gravities of magnetic steel alloys are all approximately 8". unitless. :P
<rqou> specific gravity is unitless
<rqou> it's a ratio to the density of water
<jn> oh, ok, fair point
<sorear> although as a small counterpoint I'm annoyed that people measure conductivity on a volumetric basis, when unless you're winding a magnet you probably don't actually care about the volume of the wires
<rqou> this book uses ohms per length
<rqou> semiconductor people normally use ohms per square
<rqou> oh yeah, ohms per square is also a fun unit :P
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<sorear> teachers love the fact that Cu has the second highest volumetric conductivity but this is almost completely irrelevant
<whitequark> rqou: huh? I have that figure memorized, it's very handy
<rqou> which figure?
<whitequark> pretty much all non-exotic steels have a density of around 8
<whitequark> whether stainless or carbon
<rqou> ah
<rqou> i guess my mechanical engineering skills are just really weak
<eduardo__> rqou: I think only those people out-ninja you which focus on their shit.
<eduardo__> rqou: like azonenberg says NO to most things he could possibly work on.
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<pie_> i like how ice40 sticks on ebay are more expensive than from lattice
<pie_> well, unless shipping, i dunno
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<awygle> I assumed, foolishly, that that unit involved Webers rather than watts
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<qu1j0t3> might interest somebody @Broadcom: Tomahawk® 3 – the world’s first 12.8 Tb/s Ethernet switch chip – is now sampling. │
<qu1j0t3> | https://t.co/0oTJYstdPF
<qu1j0t3> 13:22:22 TweetSchestowitz | ▏ chip – is now sampling. https://t.co/0oTJYstdPF
<qu1j0t3> urg sorry for format
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<balrog> qu1j0t3: datasheet available?
<balrog> nope, all NDA
<qu1j0t3> :(
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<awygle> 32x400G. damn.
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<azonenberg_work> awygle: want
<azonenberg_work> lol
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<mithro> Afternoon everyone!
<awygle> afternoon, mithro
<awygle> how's it going?
<mithro> awygle: Slow start today
<mithro> awygle: obessing about the routing infrastructure inside Artix-7 (it's infecting my dreams now...)
<genii> The Nanopi M3 place had a datasheet of that chip
<awygle> ah, you have the routing infrastructure version of Tetris Syndrome
<mithro> awygle: Yeah
<genii> I think Samsung S5P6818, based on Exynos 8818
<mithro> awygle: I'm ***so*** close to getting vpr to route something -- but I keep getting bitten by the amount of technical debt I've already accumulated
<awygle> i've had variations on that theme. most notably 802.11a
<awygle> mithro: ah that's always rough :/ i usually hit a point where ignoring the tech debt eats up so much of my brain that i have to stop and clean up to make progress
<awygle> mithro: that's what i've been doing at $DAYJOB today and yesterday. no more magic numbers or unnecessary copies!
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<awygle> actual abstractions instead of huge flat arrays with hardcoded indexes! it's beautiful! they should have sent a poet!
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<qu1j0t3> :)
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<rqou> friggin linode downtime
<rqou> also friggin problem set that i need to stop procrastinating on
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