Kabouik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
vakkov has joined #neo900
Kabouik has joined #neo900
vakkov has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
illwieckz has joined #neo900
illwieckz_ has joined #neo900
vakkov has joined #neo900
Kabouik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Humpelstilzchen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
Humpelstilzchen has joined #neo900
Kabouik has joined #neo900
Kabouik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Kabouik has joined #neo900
vakkov has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
vakkov has joined #neo900
illwieckz_ has quit [Quit: Ça va couper chérie…]
illwieckz_ has joined #neo900
illwieckz has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
illwieckz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
illwieckz has joined #neo900
vakkov has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
specing_ has joined #neo900
specing has quit [*.net *.split]
specing_ is now known as specing
mvaenskae has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
lobito has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
lobito has joined #neo900
Pali has joined #neo900
lobito has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
lobito has joined #neo900
lobito has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
Pali has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
lobito has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has quit [Quit: leaving]
mvaenskae has joined #neo900
kolp has joined #neo900
infobot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
infobot has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has quit [Quit: leaving]
mvaenskae has joined #neo900
Kabouik_ has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
sparetire_ has quit [Quit: sparetire_]
vakkov has joined #neo900
vakkov has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
_whitelogger has joined #neo900
Wizzup has joined #neo900
ShadowJK has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
brolin_empey has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
brolin_empey has joined #neo900
ShadowJK has joined #neo900
_whitelogger has quit [Excess Flood]
_whitelogger has joined #neo900
raccoon_ has joined #neo900
arossdotme has joined #neo900
mva has joined #neo900
vakkov has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
Kabouik_ has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
mvaenskae has joined #neo900
Kabouik has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
mvaenskae has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
rjeffries has joined #neo900
vakkov has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
xes_ has joined #neo900
xes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
xes has joined #neo900
che11 has joined #neo900
xes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
Kabouik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
ruukasu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
Pali has joined #neo900
vakkov has joined #neo900
jonsger has joined #neo900
ruukasu has joined #neo900
che11 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
che11 has joined #neo900
jonsger has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
Kabouik has joined #neo900
<Wizzup>
DocScrutinizer51: hiya, I have all the cables etc ready for my charging while in hostmode test, but I'm not sure what exact program I should use. I have the h-e-n, and something with the same icon named "USB mode"
<Wizzup>
the links you have me mention a charger script, but that is a 404
<Wizzup>
you mentioned that "Pali's GUI" could do it, but I don't know what that one is
* Wizzup
re-reads posts
<Wizzup>
they seem to contain some contradicting info I think
<Wizzup>
I just had to plug in the charger after I selected the mode
vakkov has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
paulk-collins has joined #neo900
vakkov has joined #neo900
ac has joined #neo900
<ac>
hello
ac is now known as Guest17935
Guest17935 is now known as ac_laptop
<ac_laptop>
I would like some details about the modem choice on the down payment page
<ac_laptop>
does LTE include utms or not ?
arcean has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Kabouik__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Kabouik has joined #neo900
arcean has joined #neo900
<ac_laptop>
ok it does, but does the lte europe chip provides utms worldwide ?
vakkov has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
mvaenskae has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
<DocScrutinizer05>
alas not
<DocScrutinizer05>
the LTE modems are not very much "roaming"-affine
heinrich5991 has quit [Quit: quit.]
vakkov has joined #neo900
mvaenskae has joined #neo900
<DocScrutinizer05>
urgent service downtime warning from our server hoster: >> Start: 13. Mai 2015 20:00:00 CEST Ende: 13. Mai 2015 23:59:00 CEST (voraussichtlich)<< Duration: "probably a few minutes"
heinrich5991 has joined #neo900
arcean has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<sno__>
Any news on then you expect to release just the complete board
<sno__>
no need for the shell as i have plenty of those
<sno__>
then = when
<DocScrutinizer05>
I hope for this year
<sno__>
thats really great news
<sno__>
i am ready to buy right away
<DocScrutinizer05>
but generally the usual applies: "it's ready when it's done"
<DocScrutinizer05>
;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
you know Murphy's law, do you? :-)
<bencoh>
hush, dont summon murphy
<DocScrutinizer05>
on the bright side: we now have a pretty good idea down to the last chip how the device shall look like
<sno__>
http://i57.tinypic.com/zuqq1l.jpg I took one of the new n900's home today, i really like the keyboard and I can't wait to drop in the finished main board
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-D
<sno__>
I no longer use the 5s or even upgrade my main phone anymore due to privacy concerns, using an old nokia for now until neo 900
<DocScrutinizer05>
We appreciate every single DIY modder, since the N900 are one of the hardest parts to source
<sno__>
I have 8 n900's lying around
<sno__>
all in new condition
<sno__>
my business repairs phones, so I collect many of them over the years
<sno__>
all obsolete so they are sat collecting dust
<sno__>
until I found out about your project I quickly put them to one side after that
<DocScrutinizer05>
we *could* go build our own mech parts (particularly slider mechanism) but that only gets into reach for a few 1000s
<sno__>
the slider mech was one of the common failure points
<sno__>
I used to repair them about 6 years ago :D
<DocScrutinizer05>
Ohh?
<DocScrutinizer05>
what happened to the slider?
<sno__>
dust or debris would get down the back of the phones and then grind away at the flex cable
<sno__>
eventually the lcd would stop working
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think it could go wobbly but harly breaks
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, the FLEX is a completely different story
paulk-collins has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<sno__>
oh yes the actual mechanism is solid
<DocScrutinizer05>
flex cable actually is defect culprit #2 right after USB jack
<sno__>
actually the usb jack is soldered solidly to the board its just people would try to plug in micro usb leads the wrong way and press way too hard
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think the problem is with unplugging and applying bending force during that
<sno__>
hmm
<sno__>
i always use my nails to push aay at the housing when removing
<DocScrutinizer05>
as a general rule never hold the device while unplugging. Just push against case next to the plug
<sno__>
never broken any of my phones
<sno__>
bingo
<DocScrutinizer05>
exactly what I do as well :-)
<sno__>
is the baseband completely partmentalised?
<sno__>
a baseband exploit and then return into user memory is not possible?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, so absolutely totally completely you wouldn't dream it up :-)
<bencoh>
sno__: usb
<DocScrutinizer05>
we not only reduce data lines to modem to mere USB, we even have current monitors and RF monitors and an external power switch, and we monitor *all* signal lines for suspicious activity
<sno__>
can i temp disable the wrote strobe to main storage when plugging into usb?
<sno__>
write
<sno__>
I mean like a hardware switch
<DocScrutinizer05>
err sorry?
<bencoh>
sno__: I'd just use a usb cable with D+/D- shortened (or cut)
<sno__>
when plugging the device into a computer can it be exploited at that time?
<DocScrutinizer05>
the complete Mentorgraphics USB controller engine is completely under CPU control
<DocScrutinizer05>
sno__: nope
<DocScrutinizer05>
not even on power-up
<DocScrutinizer05>
as long as you got a valid bootloader chain in NAND
<DocScrutinizer05>
unlike any other phone (with ADB? etc) the Neo900 at no time is vulnerable to rooting via USB
arcean has joined #neo900
<sno__>
can the baseband know how much power the cpu is using at a given time?
<DocScrutinizer05>
no
<DocScrutinizer05>
not really
<DocScrutinizer05>
could do fancy guessing from battery voltage
<sno__>
does the cpu emit electromagnetic emissions that may help an adversary determine which instructions are being executed
<DocScrutinizer05>
I can't comment on this, we have no instrumetation to even check
<bencoh>
it's a (regular) omap3
<DocScrutinizer05>
probably CPU _does_ emit such RF, but on a very low signal level
<bencoh>
DocScrutinizer05: neo900.org is down (?)
<DocScrutinizer05>
urgent service downtime warning from our server hoster: >> Start: 13. Mai 2015 20:00:00 CEST Ende: 13. Mai 2015 23:59:00 CEST (voraussichtlich)<< Duration: "probably a few minutes"
<bencoh>
okay
<specing>
server hoster be like: "brb installing rootkits"
<DocScrutinizer05>
==> HTTP <==
<DocScrutinizer05>
State is now: OK (21:49h 2015.05.13)
<DocScrutinizer05>
State before: ERROR (was 6 minutes)
<DocScrutinizer05>
Service params: path=/ port=80
<sno__>
what about a custom emi shield for the cpu?
<sno__>
i could just add my own nm
<DocScrutinizer05>
we will comply with the rather harsch German CE emi regulations. Even a custom shielding doesn't rule out signals escaping
<DocScrutinizer05>
as a general rule EMI from CPU only gives *hints* on what the CPU is doing, it's not like a wireless in-circuit debugging channel
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, you probably could fingerprint e.g. john-the-ripper, but you can NOT tell what key it tries to crack
<sno__>
are you selling any working beta?
<DocScrutinizer05>
also to give an idea, I guess the maximum distance you could receive and decode any EMI form CPU is 5 meters
<DocScrutinizer05>
if at all
<DocScrutinizer05>
razher more like 10cm
<bencoh>
hmm, 600mhz (clockrate) at light speed is more than 10cm
<DocScrutinizer05>
sno__: we're about to build first working *complete* prottype, with externally attached CPU-board (BB-xM)
<bencoh>
but yeah, we're talking about a few microamps
<bencoh>
(or mili maybe)
<bencoh>
(at most)
<DocScrutinizer05>
bencoh: the main topic to look at when it comes to CPU EMI is antenna length and thus antenna gain
<sno__>
fractal antennas can do amazing things
<DocScrutinizer05>
the antenna length generally is in the sub-mm range
<DocScrutinizer05>
plus the CPU is already shielded from both sides, by a massive copper plabne below and a 3 RAM/NAND cips in PoP
<DocScrutinizer05>
chips*
<DocScrutinizer05>
thus I doubt much RF can get generated and actually transmitted by the ALU or other IPs on the SoC
<DocScrutinizer05>
prolly what's radiating most are the power supply lines to CPU core
<sno__>
well i'm already sold, i'm tired of the usual qualcomm/mediatech backdoored crap
<DocScrutinizer05>
you *could* "trace" a code execution if you knew *exactly* the code that gets executed. But that's totally impossible to predict on a multitasking system
<DocScrutinizer05>
sno__: hehe, so are we
<bencoh>
+1
<DocScrutinizer05>
and again, my educated guess on RFI/EMI is: no way more than 10cm distance
<DocScrutinizer05>
I would bet my ass on anybody trying to implement such attack fails for years even with direct physical contact to SoC allowed (modulo attaching wires to the circuit)
<DocScrutinizer05>
sno__: the qualcom/MTK crap has one huuuge advantage: it's incredibly cheap compared to our design
<DocScrutinizer05>
Moore's law doesn't stop at SoCs
<DocScrutinizer05>
we're using 2007 technology
<DocScrutinizer05>
at 2007 prices
<DocScrutinizer05>
nowadays you get a complete smartphone on a chip for what we pay for the OMAP3 alone
<sno__>
even if no one is trying to "hack" my phone theres just a nice feeling of being liberated by using something like neo 900
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, absolutely. I don't want to ever have to surrender to Android or Winphone or iOS
<DocScrutinizer05>
I want *me*_owning_ the phone, *not* any Apple or Google or M$
<DocScrutinizer05>
or Nokia (Harmattan)
<DocScrutinizer05>
==> HTTP <==
<DocScrutinizer05>
State is now: OK (22:28h 2015.05.13)
<DocScrutinizer05>
State before: ERROR (was 16 minutes)
<sno__>
why is it called neo?
<DocScrutinizer05>
because it's based on Openmoko Neo Freerunner and N900
<sno__>
the first to free people from the tryanny we live under ?
<bencoh>
:-)
<sno__>
oh
<DocScrutinizer05>
Name was the brightest idea in whole project
<bencoh>
let's hope it still packs with other bright/brilliant stuff ;)
x29a has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
sparetire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
arossdotme has joined #neo900
sparetire has joined #neo900
x29a has joined #neo900
arcean has quit [Quit: App terminated!]
jonsger has joined #neo900
Kabouik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Kabouik has joined #neo900
Kabouik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Kabouik has joined #neo900
Kabouik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Kabouik has joined #neo900
kolp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
<DocScrutinizer05>
6 customers out of 20 voucher mails, not half bad
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-)
<wpwrak>
now if we just knew how many actually saw the mail :)
<jonsger>
so you have about 125 customers?
Kabouik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]