<DocScrutinizer05>
there's also the misleading "tax incl."
<DocScrutinizer05>
which should be "not taxed"
<wpwrak>
... after hunting down and killing countless others, "like me on fb", "our best-selling products", "mail to a friend", "show customers on a global map", "subscribe to [yet another] newsletter", ...
<DocScrutinizer05>
prestashop, 'great'¡
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<wpwrak>
yes, the tax thing may need some further consideration
<DocScrutinizer05>
lemme try to kill it the usual way
<wpwrak>
(usual) "a man in a dark parka has been seen near the tax office at the time of the molotov cocktail attack" ? :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
"a hacker with nasty tooling has been seen near the prestashop 'translations' database"
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<wpwrak>
now i'm scared :)
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<Oksana>
What's wrong with show customers on a global map? ;-)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry?
<DocScrutinizer05>
aaah
<jonsger>
oh 990 EUR + x :(
<DocScrutinizer05>
we don't want all that fancy stuff siply to reduce the workload to *fix* it
<DocScrutinizer05>
I raher hope -x, but yes, that's what USD exchange gave us
<DocScrutinizer05>
very sorry about it
<jonsger>
so my graphic card has to live longer ^^
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-) that's a fine spirit
<DocScrutinizer05>
EUR/USD killed off a 30% of our calculations
<DocScrutinizer05>
~700*1.3
<infobot>
910
<DocScrutinizer05>
add on top the 1GB chip and a few unforeseen expenses
<DocScrutinizer05>
the >32GB eMMC etc
<jonsger>
yes, but your luck is that you haven't a real competitor ^^
<DocScrutinizer05>
there's still hope for better price, when we can sell significantly >1500 devices
<DocScrutinizer05>
iirc my numbers (or rather Werner's, kudos for his evaluation work), we might go down a 150 or even 200 when we for example would sell 3000 units
<DocScrutinizer05>
afk, brinner pending
<DocScrutinizer05>
~brinner
<DocScrutinizer05>
duh
<DocScrutinizer05>
~brinner is breakfast at dinner time
<infobot>
DocScrutinizer05: okay
<freemangordon>
Pali: yes, about 50% of the code is same
<wpwrak>
Oksana: i guess if we'd randomize and quantize the data, it may actually be "safe" :) not sure if it would actually be permissible under german law, though. they have some funny laws there, regarding "personal data"
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<DocScrutinizer05>
@everybody: please don't send money now until we open shop. Only use shop to do payments! Thanks!
<DocScrutinizer05>
rationale: we already have processed all payments up to this point and will send out vouchers for them. However any new payment _not_ done via shop will fall off this list since the list is already prepared
<DocScrutinizer05>
and there won't be a payment record in shop database either
<DocScrutinizer05>
so please just postpone payments another 1 or two days
<DocScrutinizer05>
thanks :-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
@Otto: don't worry, I'll sort out your payment manually :-D
<specing>
Did you accept payments in eur only?
<DocScrutinizer05>
I guess paypal accepts whatever you want
<DocScrutinizer05>
for bank money transfer I dunno
<specing>
but they are stored in eur?
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes
<specing>
well that is bad idea
<DocScrutinizer05>
well
<DocScrutinizer05>
now converting it to USD is probably an even worse idea
<specing>
maybe
<DocScrutinizer05>
but yes, we probably might consider what's the best moment for conversion of currencies
<DocScrutinizer05>
for USD->EUR now is a better moment than 12 months ago
<DocScrutinizer05>
so *if* we had _not_ converted payments from USD to EUR a 12 months ago, we now would see a better exchange rate for that, and we wouldn't suffer the worse EUR->USD exchange rate on sourcing
<DocScrutinizer05>
well ... *IF*
<DocScrutinizer05>
I'm no investment banker
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway, thanks for mentioning it. It's actually something we should consider if we can improve our procedures
<specing>
you are buying components in usd, right?
<DocScrutinizer05>
usually, yes
<specing>
I'd advise just keeping the funds in usd, then
<DocScrutinizer05>
yep, thanks
<DocScrutinizer05>
we'll check how to implement that
<specing>
I wonder if it would be possible to have an account in which you can store all currencies
<DocScrutinizer05>
dunno
<DocScrutinizer05>
never checked so far
<DocScrutinizer05>
I +think* at least paypal allows such option
<specing>
probably costs $$$ for no valid reason whatsoever
<specing>
this would be better because you avoid conversions until you actually need to buy something
<DocScrutinizer05>
then for several reasons we don't want to keep huge amounts of funds in PP account
<specing>
its all 1% here, 3% there, 10% everywhere
<DocScrutinizer05>
they could get blocked, killing our business
<specing>
and then you are out of funds and have to close shop
<specing>
true
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway, brinner still pending. afk. thanks again
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<wpwrak>
what one usually does is open one account per currency. mixed-currency accounts would be weird.
<DocScrutinizer05>
and messy to handle
<wpwrak>
also, i would expect that most of out payments for components would be in EUR, right ? i.e., if GC sources most of the things, they'll probably bill us in EUR even if they themselves pay some things in USD
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, that's likely
<DocScrutinizer05>
we should ask them
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<wpwrak>
and if an operation has enough in- and outbound transfers in different currencies, which GC probably does, they may simply be their own exchange house and just move bookings between accounts, without actually exchanging money