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<somasonic> does a good irclib exist?
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<darix> somasonic: cinch
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<somasonic> darix, thanks
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<Technodrome> how long has a hash literal been able to be used as the last argument
<Technodrome> was that just a new feature with ruby 1.9?
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<lianj> don't think so
<Technodrome> so it was there in ruby 1.8?
<r0bglees0n> you could always do it
<r0bglees0n> (afaik)
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<Technodrome> r0bglees0n: for some reason i thought that was a more recent feature
<Technodrome> r0bglees0n: to the implicit { } has always been there?
<r0bglees0n> Technodrome: there's a possible ambiguity between a block and a hash but with the right syntax i believe its always been possible
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<havenwood> oh, now they're saying gusts up to 379 kph, this is a monster
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<r0bglees0n> havenwood: wrong chan ;)
<r0bglees0n> or maybe not
<r0bglees0n> but since we were talking about it in #pry i guess so
<havenwood> oops, miss-tell >..
<havenwood> yeah, I got my channels confused >.> oops! (sorry for the accidental noise)
<r0bglees0n> cool with me
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<imperator> havenn, phillipines?
<imperator> oops, havenwood
<havenn> imperator: yeah, looks really nasty
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<havenwood> imperator: looks to be a terrible typhoon, i guess the hope would be mostly wind damage and not too much flooding, but such a wind!
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<havenwood> imperator: arya in #pry is in the philippines, hopefully staying safe and dry
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<moneydouble> Hey. Anyone here looking for a small project? Requirements are Python and Ruby. Basically, need a simple SDK created in Ruby for our API.
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<freedrull> is there a way to mix in a module into another module as module_functions?
<ddfreyne> Rubyforge is down!
<ddfreyne> Noooooo
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<h0rrorvacui> I've not been there in forever. Whats the deal? I thought I saw something about being hacked?
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<ddfreyne> h0rrorvacui: No clue, but I needed http://kramdown.rubyforge.org/
<ddfreyne> Oh well.
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<h0rrorvacui> Several news outlets are reporting rubyforge might possibly be hacked
<h0rrorvacui> ddfreyne: so I guess I did see that
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<gnufied> morning yorick
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<ljarvis> hello
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<ljarvis> rubyconf is today right?
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<yorickpeterse> Fuck you kibana for not making my dashboard backwards compatible
<yorickpeterse> "TO EASE DEPLOYMENTS IT NOW RUNS IN THE BROWSER" - ease things my fucking ass
<maloik> yea it's today ljarvis
<maloik> ive seen dem tweets
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<maloik> or, if not today the nthis weekend
<ljarvis> yeah
<ljarvis> i think it's 3 day starting today
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<kith> is rubyforge the only place for docs on sequel?
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<kith> darix: thx
<darix> kith: or you can just run the doc serving locally
<darix> gem server or via yard
<kith> i'd have to read up on it first
<kith> so i'd rather read the online docs :D
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<darix> kith: "gem server -b 127.0.0.1" http://127.0.0.1:8808/
<darix> done
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<kith> darix: thx, but too late, already read up on the docs ;)
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<maloik> TIL inject is reduce
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<maloik> I'd heard of map and reduce before but never actually looked into them or read about them in depth
<maloik> a lot of things just clicked into place lol
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<banisterfiend> maloik functional languages like to refer to it as foldl
<banisterfiend> maloik you can also meet foldl's spookier cousin: foldr
<banisterfiend> which is slightly more of a headf*ck
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<gnufied> foldl and foldr are pretty good. but wait till you see their operator version
<gnufied> ::-> or something
<gnufied> :D
<gnufied> and then you have no idea what it does
<banisterfiend> gnufied in haskell?
<gnufied> banisterfiend: scala.
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<maloik> what do you call items on a product, invoice
<maloik> on a contract, invoice*
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<maloik> billables?
<tbuehlmann> do you mean line items?
<maloik> yea
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<tbuehlmann> line items then
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<maloik> but that's not a specific name for contracts/invoices are they ?
<maloik> is it*
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<ljarvis> maloik: billable items of some sort is fine
<ljarvis> that's basically what they are, item you're billing for
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<yorickpeterse> TODAY I BREAK ALL THE BUILDS
<darix> who would have thought yorickpeterse can be even more annoying.
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<imperator2> mornin darix
<yorickpeterse> darix: oh shut your pile hole already
<yorickpeterse> (it's pile hole right?)
<yorickpeterse> I always think it's pie hole
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<darix> yorickpeterse: why dont you just write in all caps again
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<darix> moin imperator2
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<yorickpeterse> BECAUSE NOT HAVING A CAPS LOCK MAKES THAT A BIT HARDER THAN USUAL
<imperator2> rubyconf 2013 starts today, right?
<imperator2> hm, should probably see if they have a feed
<imperator2> yorickpeterse, settle down beavis
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<imperator2> hm, guess they don't have a feed :(
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: it's pie hole
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<benwoody> imperator: http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
<benwoody> matz is on right now
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: not sure if troll or just brit
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<yorickpeterse> oh, it actually is
<yorickpeterse> derp
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<imperator2> benwoody, thanks!
<imperator2> watched part of it
<yorickpeterse> I'm just seeing a blurry confreaks logo
<imperator2> it just stopped; they're on break
<yorickpeterse> D: mods are here
<yorickpeterse> ah
imperator2 changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Nick registration required to talk || Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
<yorickpeterse> obligatory
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<imperator2> eh?
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<yorickpeterse> "mods are here, post {cheese pizza,sinks,etc}"
<yorickpeterse> errrr
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<yorickpeterse> wait
<yorickpeterse> that was when they were gone
<yorickpeterse> fak
<imperator2> oic
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<cout> hi dan
<maloik> Anyone aware of any css "frameworks" that only add a bit of basic typography, margin and form styles ? As to create a fresh web app without any real design to it, but that doesnt look as shitty as without styles
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<yorickpeterse> 960css?
<maloik> I dont want grids :)
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<maloik> like, most css frameworks that actually use the framework name are at a "complication level" of 10... no css at all is at 0... I want something at 1 or 2, if that makes sense
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<maloik> no grids, no super advanced buttons and animations... just very basic typography, something to make forms slightly better, and some better margin
<maloik> it probably doesnt exist to be honest, but you never know
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<yorickpeterse> lol, bots trying to access /wp-login.php?action=register on some random Ruby app we run
<yorickpeterse> and Google bot trying to confirm user registration
<yorickpeterse> (it's *actually* google bot)
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: brit troll?
<yorickpeterse> touche (too lazy to figure out how to get the thing on top of the e)
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<ljarvis> è
<ljarvis> ę
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<yorickpeterse> no the other one
<ljarvis> é
<yorickpeterse> Yeah
<ljarvis> ê
<ljarvis> ë
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<imperator2> cout, howdy
<imperator2> did you figure out your zsh issue?
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<cout> I can't remember which zsh issues
<imperator2> pwd vs Dir.pwd
<cout> I think the answer is no but I worked around it
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<cout> well the problem isn't zsh; it's ruby
<cout> ruby is giving me the absolute path instead of the the shell's pwd
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<cout> er, cwd
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<cout> also git rev-parse --show-toplevel was giving me the wrong dir
<cout> so I worked around it
<cout> now I have a different problem: how do I know if a given object is a mutable or immutable (Fixnum, TrueClass, etc.)
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<imperator2> try to .dup it?
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<csaunders> has anyone here written up some multi-platform gems?
<csaunders> I have a bug where the windows version of a gem doesn't install wdm, so people have the program crash on boot
<imperator2> csaunders, sure; this your gem?
<csaunders> yes
<imperator2> which gem?
<csaunders> shopify_theme
<imperator2> and wdm is a gem, too?
<csaunders> yeah
<csaunders> it's one of the listen gem dependencies
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<imperator2> well, i guess my first question is why wdm isn't in your gemspec
<cout> imperator2: I was hoping for something better than rescuing TypeError
<imperator2> cout, yeah, sorry
<imperator2> can't think of a better way
<csaunders> imperator2: don't know.
<imperator2> csaunders, i don't see a separate gem for windows for shopify_theme
<imperator2> looks like a single gem
<csaunders> yes it is
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<csaunders> I'd prefer to keep it that way… or is that not possible?
<cout> imperator2: I can test if it has a singleton class :)
<cout> but that's also rescuing typerror
<imperator2> csaunders, well, do they have different dependencies? or is one a binary?
<imperator2> hang on...
<csaunders> the theme works as is on Mac OS. Have yet to try it on Linux, but it probably just works there too. Windows is where it dies
<imperator2> wdm looks like a C extension
<imperator2> so it will fail unless the user has devkit installed
<imperator2> is that what's happening?
<imperator2> i mean, if you have wdm set in your gemspec as a dependency, then it's not your issue
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<csaunders> hmm…
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<csaunders> And that won't cause issues with say linux or mac though?
<imperator2> what? making wdm a dependency?
<csaunders> Yeah
<imperator2> just to clarify, those platforms do NOT need wdm? is that a windows-only dependency?
<csaunders> Windows only dependency.
<imperator2> ok, now we're getting somewhere :)
<imperator2> 2 ways to handle it
<imperator2> your pick
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<imperator2> first, create a separate gem, on for windows, one for everything else - means modifying your gemspec, and pushing 2 separate gems
<imperator2> second, use the ext/mkrf hack
<csaunders> ah alright.
<csaunders> I saw some stuff about ext/mkrf
<csaunders> wasn't sure if it's like… cool or not
<csaunders> btw, sorry about my explanation earlier… I need to work on explaining myself better :)
<csaunders> I was thinking of mkrf since it helps keep things in a single gem. Can just tell people to install one gem :)
<imperator2> i can't find the link now, but there's a how-to online somewhere
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<imperator2> it's kind of a security issue, since it means installing with sudo (I think, not actually sure with a Rakefile)
<imperator2> yep, that's the one!
<imperator2> er, i mean, you could (theoretically) put arbitrary code that would execute there
<imperator2> but then...that's not your issue ;)
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<imperator2> csaunders, so using that example, just check for File::ALT_SEPARATOR
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<csaunders> cool thanks :D
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<levifig> what's the convention on "question mark" methods that need variables?
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<levifig> hmm… dumb question since I just realized that the question mark is not a special character
<levifig> lol
<levifig> def method?(variable) <- I'm assuming?!
<levifig> the question really should be: is this something I should be doing? It will return a boolean, so… :X
<ericwood> levifig: if it returns a boolean
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<ericwood> so like if you're asking the method a yes/no question
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<levifig> ericwood, this specific method is a ping check
<levifig> ericwood, something like "def reachable?(host)"
<levifig> where the host will be passed from a foreach
<levifig> ericwood, that makes sense right?!
<MrZYX> levifig: perfectly fine to do and expected from a ruby developer
<levifig> MrZYX, awesome :)
<levifig> thank you guys :)
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<imperator> levifig, gem install net-ping :)
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<levifig> imperator, just did that
<levifig> the question now is: why is it asking me for "root privileges" ?!
<imperator> are you doing an icmp ping?
<levifig> "net-ping-1.7.1/lib/net/ping/icmp.rb:32:in `initialize': requires root privileges (RuntimeError)"
<levifig> ya
<imperator> that's why
<levifig> hmm
<levifig> should I just do a TCP ping?
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<imperator> if you just want an external ping, use Net::Ping::External
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<imperator> that works, too
<levifig> hmm
<levifig> I'll try External :)
<imperator> external is just a wrapped system call
<levifig> worked
<levifig> awesome
<levifig> thanks imperator ^_^
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<imperator> yw
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<imperator> levifig, your command line ping command is actually running suid root
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<imperator> hence why you need root privs for an icmp ping
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<levifig> imperator, thanks for the info (crazy to think though :X)
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<eam> levifig: on some systems you can grant raw socket permissions without full root (linux: CAP_NET_RAW)
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<levifig> eam, thanks :)
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<cout> hmm, I'm specifying 150em and 150px and the browser is treating it the same
<cout> I must be doing something wrong
<imperator2> fun with css!
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<r0bglees0n> hey
<cout> imperator2: old school, no css :)
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<cout> I know, no css == crap
<apeiros> cout: your `m` element is 1px wide? :D
<apeiros> (actually possible)
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<cout> apeiros: in two different broweers?
<cout> browsers
<apeiros> that'd not be relevant
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<apeiros> em is a relative measure
<apeiros> relative to the size of the width of the `m` character
<cout> I've heard other stories about em
<apeiros> so if your `m` is 1px wide, 1em = 1px
<cout> but no, my m is not 1px wide
<cout> more like 16
<apeiros> oh, seems I cite an antiquated definition of em
<cout> something about the distance to the monitor vs the distance to the sun divided by the circumference of the milky way
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<apeiros> (it is relative, though)
<cout> multiplied by the average number of pimples on the left foot of 13-year-old children in afghanistan
<apeiros> cout: inspect the element in question
<apeiros> check whether it really uses the em measure
<apeiros> maybe it's overridden or not picked up in the first place
<apeiros> anyway, the answer to "how do I do X best in CSS?" is always "close your laptop and go to the bar."
<cout> apeiros: it's using it, but treating it as px
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<apeiros> cout: syntax error in your css?
<cout> again, no css :(
<cout> I got yelled at when I tried to do everything "all fancy"
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<cout> (because the mistaken impression was that if I do it the right way that it takes longer)
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<imperator2> css is "all fancy" ?
<apeiros> ah, no css?
<apeiros> cout: plain html has no em I think
<apeiros> or browsers simply didn't implement it
<cout> yeah I'm just going to use the style property
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<imperator2> crap, forgot some of ruby's File singleton methods just return false instead of raising an error if the file doesn't exist
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<r0bglees0n> imperator2: I think some might even return false from respond_to?() =/
<apeiros> imperator2: what? which ones?
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<imperator2> File.file?('bogus') #=> false
<r0bglees0n> what platform is file? not available on?
<r0bglees0n> oh nvm, misunderstood you
<imperator2> i think all the File singleton boolean methods work that way
<apeiros> ah, yes
<apeiros> though IMO that's correct/expected behavior
<apeiros> 'is `nonexistent` a file? no'
<imperator2> eh, it's kinda weird, because really those are File::Stat methods behind the scenes i think
<r0bglees0n> id also to expect that, or an exception, what do you expect?
<imperator2> and if you try to stat a non-existant file it would raise an exception
<imperator2> i'll have to look at the source
<r0bglees0n> behind the scenes is irrelevent for an interface to make sense
<imperator2> r0bglees0n, i'd expect an exception, but i think i get the reasoning
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<r0bglees0n> i can't think of when predicate? would raise in ruby
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<r0bglees0n> it's a question for which you get yes, or no
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<imperator2> yeup, got it
<imperator2> and i just learned i have an "lc" command, which generates a .Net license file (meant to type "ls")
<imperator2> (on a completely unrelated note)
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<r0bglees0n> new MS marketing strategy
<r0bglees0n> see how many unix hackers can end up accidentally signing up to .NET
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<[spoiler]> r0bglees0n: haha
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<platzhirsch> drbrain: Thanks so much for the book, it was a splendid read, for someone who is not new to Ruby or programming.
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<lianj> book?
<drbrain> platzhirsch: you're welcome!
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<nofxx> Which one is better/least surprise -> Have a class 'Point' (geo array [x,y]) , embedded in many classes, suppose 'Market'. When you @market.point = '' or nil: @market.point should return NilClass or PointClass [nil, nil] ?
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<nofxx> or rubyesque*
<zenspider> empty string?
<zenspider> ew
<zenspider> Even Point[nil, nil] is pretty terrible as you can't use it as a NilPoint
<zenspider> Point[0, 0] might make more sense
<nofxx> zenspider: yea, it's terrible.. you'll need lot of checks everywhere
<apeiros> nil as a NilPoint
<apeiros> 0,0 is a point
<nofxx> zenspider: that's kinda wrong too, as 0,0 is a valid point (somewhere in middle pacific)
<nofxx> atlantic*
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<apeiros> assuming nilpoint is supposed to mean "absence of a point"
<zenspider> depends on how you're gonna use them
<zenspider> points.inject(&:+)
<apeiros> what's the sum of nothing and 1?
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<nofxx> zenspider: another option is have a method + ? method.. @market.point?
<zenspider> what's the sum of nil and 1 ?
<apeiros> none, that's my point
<apeiros> or NaN if you want
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<zenspider> so having Point[0, 0] used as your nil point makes more sense in the context I showed above
<apeiros> points.compact.sum # <- sum of actually existing points - now that makes sense
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<zenspider> misses the point (no pun) of a nil object pattern
<nofxx> point = "" is pretty common too if you think webapps
<apeiros> the point is that nil and zero are not the same
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<nofxx> (with form inputs)
<apeiros> nofxx: that's only if you fail at input conversion
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<nofxx> apeiros: ah, good point... make "" -> nil is good practice, right? I do it everywhere I can
<apeiros> depends
<nofxx> just hate have to thing && !thing.empty?
<apeiros> I still whish nobus (I think?) .? had been accepted
<apeiros> wish
<zenspider> fucking ew
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<apeiros> maybe with a nicer looking syntax (my own proposal was ->)
<zenspider> adding syntax to reinforce a bad coding practice is a bad idea
<apeiros> using nonsensical magical values is a better coding practice?
<apeiros> sorry, but that's BS
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<apeiros> your choice of NilPoint as 0,0 becomes problematic once you have a different operation than summing
<apeiros> f.ex.
<nofxx> zenspider: apeiros: so what's the preferred behaviour ? "" || nil -> NilClass , "wrong" -> fail "Err", "good, point" -> PointClass
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<zenspider> right. BS that's been proven in a ton of proven projects. whatever dude. read a patterns book. we're done here
<nofxx> adding some validation*
<apeiros> zenspider: *shrug* same
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<MrZYX> nofxx: either raise or use a default on invalid input IMO
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<nofxx> MrZYX: yea, going to play a lil, see which results in less code. The best solution is always the simplest one.
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<apeiros> "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
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<nofxx> apeiros: who said that? Marvin? ;)
<apeiros> if I knew :-/
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