<whitequark>
"21 million cubic meters of sand" that's a lot of minecraft blocks. 21 million, to be precise!
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<Lewix>
Is it accurate to say that in a method definition self is the object that calls the method. (I'm trying to explain self in a simple fashion_)
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<tbuehlmann>
self is the object that has that method. the caller might be something else
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<Lewix>
tbuehlmann: I don't think it's accurate to say that self is the object that has that method
<tbuehlmann>
that's right
<Lewix>
tbuehlmann: In an instance method definition - self is an instance of the class of the method
<Lewix>
In a singleton method - self is the object of the singleton method
<Lewix>
In a method definition at the top-level, self is the object that calls the method?
<Lewix>
but it seems to me that self is the object that calls the method in any of those
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<ddd>
its still self in all instances you just stated. that self has that method. its just the 'level' that changes. instance, class, singleton, etc
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<Lewix>
ddd: I'm not sure I understand your point
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<ddd>
it seemed you were disagreeing but maybe i misunderstood
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<Lewix>
ddd: whenever tbuehlmann says that self is the object that has that method. It means that self is expected to be C in that instance - class C; def foo; self;end;end. It's not the case
<tbuehlmann>
hm? self would be the object
<Lewix>
ddd: I believe that a general definition for self in a method could be - in a method definition self is the object that calls the method.I'm looking for a counter example
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<Lewix>
tbuehlmann: self would be an instance of C
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<tbuehlmann>
correct
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<tbuehlmann>
I don't get the problem
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<Lewix>
tbuehlmann: I don't have one
<Lewix>
00:05 Lewix: Is it accurate to say that in a method definition self is the object that calls the method. (I'm trying to explain self in a simple fashion_)
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<Lewix>
00:06 tbuehlmann: self is the object that has that method. the caller might be something else - you disagreed
<tbuehlmann>
yes, saying that caller and object might be different things
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<tbuehlmann>
might the wording?
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<Lewix>
tbuehlmann: so we agree i guess
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<Lewix>
tbuehlmann: by the way, can you give an example - caller and object might be different things. I have the feeling im forgetting something
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<TTilus>
you can think of oo method calls as messages being sent
<TTilus>
then self is the receiver and caller is the sender
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<tbuehlmann>
right, and the caller doesn't have to be the object itself
<TTilus>
exactly
<TTilus>
and you could think that the message content includes the method name and arguments
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<TTilus>
or just the arguments (and then the mathod name would be part of the receiver address togethe with the object)
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<Lewix>
TTilus: True. I mistakenly thought of the receiver as the caller.
<TTilus>
the message analogy is imo the best mental model for clarifying concepts if one is mixed up
<Lewix>
TTilus: What would be the caller
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<TTilus>
message sender, as i said
<TTilus>
messaging model is actually exactly what smalltalk promotoes
<TTilus>
s/promotoes/promotes/
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<Lewix>
TTilus: I mean what would be the message sender, is it implicit for the thing running the program
<TTilus>
now i dont quite understand
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<TTilus>
if a method call is a message being sent, then sender/caller is self at the pont where sending occurs and receiver/callee is self on the point where message is received
<Lewix>
The sender is implicit, it's the object who is the owner of the scope where the message originated
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<TTilus>
yes, you could say thet
<TTilus>
s/pont/point/ (sorry about the typos, im on cellphone :)
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<Lewix>
TTilus: I thought I was the only one chilling on irc on my cellphone
<Lewix>
TTilus: on the bus?
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<TTilus>
no, bed :D
<TTilus>
sunday morning, what would you expect...
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<andrewvos>
I'm writing a script that just builds code whenever it gets a github hooks...
<andrewvos>
Was wondering why some of my scripts just randomly don't work
<andrewvos>
I guess it's because I have to execute the script in interactive mode?
<rue>
Have to == ?
<rue>
And by interactive, you mean a pty?
<andrewvos>
rue: Well the thing is, I launch docker with -i which means to not kill docker until the process completes
<andrewvos>
This is inside my project code
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<andrewvos>
And my build tool just launches project/build
<andrewvos>
And the issue is, docker never enters interactive mode
<andrewvos>
So I'm guessing I need to wrap it in `bash -i -c"bla"` or something?
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<andrewvos>
Yeah I do mean a pty
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<andrewvos>
Basically, my question really is: How do I launch a script and make it think the user ran it
<andrewvos>
?
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<rue>
andrewvos: PTY
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<andrewvos>
Meh
<andrewvos>
Is there a bash tool that can do this?
<andrewvos>
Fake a PTY
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<whitequark>
andrewvos: script
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<whitequark>
i.e. it's a bash command
<rue>
$ ri PTY
<andrewvos>
whitequark: Thakns I had just stumbled upon that. Seems like it could work!
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<whitequark>
hey yorickpeterse
<whitequark>
I've been thinking about parser performance
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<whitequark>
try to measure the impact of tracking node locations in your use case
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<whitequark>
if it's significant, it may be possible to make a non-tracking Builder to get you just the AST, and then, when the error is found, you can find the same node in AST with locations by its path
<whitequark>
thus alleviating the cost for non-ugly code
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