apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<NemesisD> hey guys. is it safe for an enumerator's size to "lie"
<NemesisD> i'm doing something like to_enum(:iterate_by_ids, search_ids) { search_ids.length }
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<NemesisD> the enumerator may actually yield fewer than that many times, but i don't want it to have to walk the whole enumerator start to finish, throwing away results to get the count, then walk through again for the yielded values
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<bcardarella> when I pass a block and call it later from another class should the scope of that block still have access to the methods from where it was created or just the local variables?
<r0bgleeson> bcardarella: self should be the same from where it was called.
<r0bgleeson> sorry, created
<bcardarella> ok, thanks
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<whitequark> bcardarella: unless someone invokes it with instance_exec.
<bcardarella> whitequark: that's what is happening. I found a workaround though
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<hakunin> I've been staring at the C source for a while and I can't figure out why Hash#has_key? is always slightly slower (~18%) than Hash#[]?
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<hakunin> anyone has any insight?
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<ohsix> is it still that slow when you know the key is in the hash already?
<hakunin> the only difference I see is st_lookup is called with 0 or with empty value structure respectively
<ohsix> i don't know ruby in particular, but i do know that one operation implies a hash operation while the other may imply a search
<hakunin> ohsix: i was just running artificial benchmarks
<ohsix> oh, no idea then, see: not knowing ruby
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<hakunin> ohsix: according to source the difference is only a value passed by reference vs 0 placeholder, and also the has_key returns Qtrue/Qfalse while Hash#[] just returns the value
<hakunin> ohsix: by my own logic i'd think the same
<hakunin> ohsix: but has_key mostly is the same exact thing as getting a value
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<cocoabean> I'm trying to capture 2 UDP replies, but my code stops after getting one. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8050838
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<yorickpeterse> morning kids
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<havenwood> yorickpeterse: g'evening
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<gnufied> Morning guv.
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<yorickpeterse> man it's nice when you get API access and are given the password "hello123" (essentially)
<pipecloud> yorickpeterse: Probably better than the time when I set it to "gofuckyourself" and forgot to change it.
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<yorickpeterse> ha
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<yorickpeterse> oh lol and it's plain HTTP too
<yorickpeterse> no SSL
<yorickpeterse> LOL, and it uses POST to get data
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: sounds... fun
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<yorickpeterse> meh, it's only one endpoint thank god
<yorickpeterse> it's some JSON layer mapped on top of a SOAP API
<yorickpeterse> go figure why it's POST
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<yorickpeterse> scumbag MRI re-implemented Date in C
<r0bgleeson> thats right
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<r0bgleeson> the sequel guy worked on it, i believe
<r0bgleeson> the pure ruby implementation was slow enough to be a bottleneck
<yorickpeterse> bit sad if you have to write stuff in C because your Ruby impl is too slow, but that might be just me
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<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: you could look at it many different ways
<yorickpeterse> I see C as a disgusting pile of shit
<r0bgleeson> i dont think MRI is going to turn into rubinius over night, so to get rid of a bottleneck using C makes sense
<r0bgleeson> why?
<yorickpeterse> I'm not saying it should, but I would focus on making my implementation faster as doing so brings bigger benefits
<r0bgleeson> MRI is getting faster and better
<r0bgleeson> if you had a bug but you'd need to make your whole implementation X times faster which may take at least a year, wouldn't you just write it in C instead?
<yorickpeterse> No, I would focus on fixing the actual problem
<yorickpeterse> since that one case might be better, but there's 10 other cases where it will affect people
<r0bgleeson> well, i have no idea what the Date bottleneck was
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<r0bgleeson> but it was considerably slower
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<r0bgleeson> thats true
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<chris2> who is responsible for rubyforge?
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<zzak> chris2: i think evan was
<chris2> any statement from them?
<zzak> there was a tweet lemme find it
<chris2> ok
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<havenwood> Yay for Ruby 2.1.0-rc1 \o/
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<jtoy> is there a method to pick out several items from a hash, so if i had {:car 1 :bar 2 :foo 3} I just want the hash back with car and bar?
<lewix> jtoy: foo.values_at("car", "bar")
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<jtoy> sorry, I mean a new hash without the other stuff
<MrZYX> ActivieSupport has .slice for that, but not in core ruby, no
<yorickpeterse> Hash[foo.values_at(...)]
<yorickpeterse> >> first = {:a => 10, :b => 20, :c => 30}; Hash[first.values_at(:a, :b)]
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => /tmp/execpad-220ec2cb1d2b/source-220ec2cb1d2b:2: warning: wrong element type Fixnum at 0 (expected array) ... (https://eval.in/81529)
<yorickpeterse> wait what
<yorickpeterse> oh, that only gives the values
<yorickpeterse> derp
<yorickpeterse> either way, you can use Hash.[] to build a new hash based on an array
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<jtoy> im surprised ruby dones thave something native
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<MrZYX> what's your usecase?
<jtoy> i have an options hash that can have a subset sent to another function
<MrZYX> why would it harm the other method to receive additional values in the hash?
<jtoy> i dont want to type oout :blah opts[:blah] :foo opts[:foo], i am on rails though so wil ltry that
<MrZYX> if you're on rails, as I said there's Hash#slice
<jtoy> because google's ruby apis suck
<jtoy> I forgot I was on rails :)
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<jtoy> cool guys,thx
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<havenwood> Am I missing something with how to use the new Ruby 2.1 refinements at the toplevel like you could in 2.0? Or is this just not impossible at the moment? https://gist.github.com/havenwood/8060187
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<havenwood> s/impossible/possible
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