<whitequark>
pipecloud: both a language and an OS? that's silly
<pipecloud>
whitequark: We already started the OS and wanted to build a systems language after we started.
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<pipecloud>
The reason was that building an OS might be sufficient use to inform the language what it should do. Since getting users isn't really something that you can do easily, we'd rather put the language through building an OS with it while we write it. We'll write stuff in C as necessary in the OS, but build out our language to replace the c components.
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<pipecloud>
whitequark: Why is it silly? :(
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<whitequark>
pipecloud: because a language is already complex enough, basically
<whitequark>
plus an OS is a very specific use case
<pipecloud>
whitequark: We seem to be implementing some pretty non-specific stuff so far.
<pipecloud>
Basics mostly.
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<whitequark>
pipecloud: honestly I don't think anyone should implement a new systems language unless they know quite specifically what they want, at the very least
<whitequark>
(speaking as someone who worked on one for two years)
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<whitequark>
e.g. Rust's new thing is region MM and type-enforced thread safety. it's incredibly tricky components to get right.
<pipecloud>
whitequark: The OS is what's informing us of what we want though.
<pipecloud>
It's that whole "I can't get a job because I don't have experience because I can't get a job due to the fact that no one will hire me for lack of experience."
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<whitequark>
pipecloud: again: OS is a very specific, uncommon application
<whitequark>
it's easy to sidestep important issues that way, e.g. modularity assuming a closed-world system
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<jtoy>
pipecloud: i missed par tof the conversation, what is the toy OS used for?
<pipecloud>
jtoy: Toying.
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<jtoy>
oh, besides for fun, do people still built custom OSs for x86 machines?
<pipecloud>
whitequark: Well, we intend to build the kernel to be closer to a minix in design and architecture of processes being mostly outside the kernel as they can be.
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<pipecloud>
We don't think it's easy or anything, but it's well worth the knowledge gained regardless of how far we get with it.
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<ddd>
jtoy: not from the ground up, but a lot of people (myself included) use LFS to build the components.
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<ddd>
great educational tool on what parts are needed, what goes where, why, and how much work distributions do for the average user
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<ddd>
he's going deeper and writing a custom kernel, but LFS is the next step higher (plus the knowledge gained from writing it from scratch to see what's involved *and* how hard it actually is)
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<laphlaw>
not sure if this is a bug.. but:
<laphlaw>
[[1,2]].first += [3]
<laphlaw>
undefined method `first=' for [[1, 2]]:Array
<laphlaw>
this works, however: [[1,2]][0] += [3]
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<lianj>
>> ([[1,2]].first) += [3]
<lianj>
> ([[1,2]].first) += [3]
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<lianj>
hm no bot love
<laphlaw>
that doesn't work.. syntax error, unexpected tOP_ASGN, expecting end-of-input
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<laphlaw>
(i'll be your bot)
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<heftig>
lianj: but [[1,2]][0] += [3] works
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<bougyman>
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<asahi>
I have a list of IP addresses for which I'm running Socket.getaddrinfo(ip, nil) but some networks respond slowly, which holds up the thread from continuing. Can anyone suggest a way around this?
<drbrain>
asahi: require 'resolv-replace'
<asahi>
drbrain: that's it?
<drbrain>
asahi: well, it might not replace Socket.getaddrinfo, but it does provide a multithreadable resolver
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<asahi>
drbrain: thanks I'll try it
<drbrain>
asahi: so you could do (in threads):
<drbrain>
hrm, no you already have IPs, not names?
<asahi>
just IPs
<asahi>
and i'm looking to get hostnames
<drbrain>
so you're just doing reverse DNS lookup? you don't need to create sockets or anything?
<ledestin>
asahi: use multiple threads
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<asahi>
yes, just doing a reverse DNS lookup
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<drbrain>
asahi: require 'resolve'; Resolv.getname ip #=> name
<drbrain>
you can do ↑ from multiple threads
<asahi>
i'll try it out
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<drbrain>
ledestin: that may not work as the OS resolver is not guaranteed to be reentrant
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<ledestin>
drbrain: I actually used a subprocess for that
* drbrain
nods
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