apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<JoelMcCracken> i've always found IO's reopen confusing; can anyone suggest a good resource on it somewhere?
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<JoelMcCracken> or, a reference to what its doing in a unix sense, if such a thing exists
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<rue> See dup2
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<JoelMcCracken> yeah. i still dont get it
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<JoelMcCracken> so, i just to write a super simple 'cat' utility that works by connecting the input to the output, and I'm just having a ton of trouble. any suggestions?
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<JoelMcCracken> the closest I have is `echo foo | ruby -e 'IO.copy_stream($stdin, $stdout)'`
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<krasnus> something like echo test | ruby -e "puts gets" ?
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<JoelMcCracken> so, that works, but it is manually copying the data and is a good deal slower
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<JoelMcCracken> (than what I am hoping to figure out)
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<krasnus> yours is working here btw
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<JoelMcCracken> yeah, its working, but afaict its still 'busy'; i want to actually connect the pipes
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<JoelMcCracken> the IOs
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<JoelMcCracken> I've been trying to play with reopen for a while, thinking it does what I'm trying to do
<JoelMcCracken> im starting to think it doesn't
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<JoelMcCracken> yeah. I think I was mistaken. I think i just got the point of reopen
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<krasnus> perhaps you can have a look at: http://stackoverflow.com/a/4289428/930322
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<JoelMcCracken> oh nice
<JoelMcCracken> thanks, this actually looks promising
<JoelMcCracken> in that its telling me that this is much harder than I was expecting =-\
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<hahuang65> how do I do "progress".classify and get it to return Progress instead of Progres?
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<whitequark> hahuang65: if this is rails-related, http://api.rubyonrails.org/classes/ActiveSupport/Inflector.html
<whitequark> er, sorry, wrong link
<hahuang65> whitequark: thanks
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<sandeepk> exit
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<maloik_> I have a script to fetch certificates from an fqdn, but I can't seem to find the option equivalent to -servername in the terminal command: https://gist.github.com/hannesfostie/c1427a5065ff707bd07d
<maloik_> anyone have any ideas?
<maloik_> docs are letting me down once again
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<maloik_> I literally just found it 10 seconds ago :D
<maloik_> thank you
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<maloik_> not making a whole lot of sense though :/
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<slap_stick> hey i am trying to figure out a way to do this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/12b26f0e94a5f2940762 but not quite sure on what the best approach is, basically one is a schema of the keys that can be that, ? represents optional, so if it isn't there i want to delete the key from the other hash. In principle it sounded easy but actualy seems messy
<slap_stick> what i have produced
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<maloik_> whitequark: any idea on how to achieve the same? I basically have no idea how to use that callback
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<whitequark> maloik_: no clue
<maloik_> okay thanks
<maloik_> wish the docs were a bit better here :( but I suppose hardly anyone ever uses this lol
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<ljarvis> slap_stick: you're complicating a simple process a lot
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<slap_stick> ljarvis, i kind of figured that but i am not sure how else to do it, the hash could be emedded so i need to keep iterating, hence the call again and i'm nto sure how else id' do it
<yorickpeterse> Random fact Mongo sucks: it can't handle 430k document updates per day
<yorickpeterse> * why
<yorickpeterse> "hurrdurr I am mongodb give me larger EC2 instances"
<yorickpeterse> nom nom nom wallet
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<gnufied> lol
<gnufied> mango is awesome. nom nom
<yorickpeterse> we downgraded the instances from "super expensive yo" to "less expensive"
<yorickpeterse> it doesn't like that
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<gnufied> but seriously with so many different datastores available in postgres, it is less and less clear if one should use Mongo at all
<yorickpeterse> Actually we're planning to at some point move back to SQL
<yorickpeterse> and possibly Pg
<yorickpeterse> since it's now on RDS
<yorickpeterse> you'd think m2.xlarge would be enough for Mongo
<gnufied> well you don't get billion dollar valuation just like that
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<gnufied> (buy moar support contracts)
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<yorickpeterse> heh, the amount of events goes down and the average timings go up
<yorickpeterse> webscale
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<matti> yorickpeterse: Ohai
<yorickpeterse> Today I get to delete 69 repositories
<matti> Why?
<yorickpeterse> and save us 250 USD
<yorickpeterse> because we no longer need them
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<yorickpeterse> after that we still have 65 repos left though
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<maloik_> random question: in a conference, what kind of half-day workshops would you like to see? if any... perhaps you just don't like that concept at all
<maloik_> feel free to think outside the box: photography, UI design for developers, ...
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<yorickpeterse> boom, repos dead
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<darix> bam server dead because it couldnt reach repos
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<yorickpeterse> nah we fixed that already
<yorickpeterse> also our servers don't talk to Git
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<judofyr> hey folks
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<ljarvis> moin
<judofyr> what's up?
<ljarvis> trying to figure out what to eat
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<gnufied> get a sandwich from tesco ?
<gnufied> (basically my lunch while was in UK)
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<jsrn> Gotta get that meal deal
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<ljarvis> :D
<ljarvis> yeah that involves leaving the house
<ljarvis> which is currently last resort
<workmad3> ljarvis: just-eat.co.uk
<ljarvis> heh
<workmad3> ljarvis: see if there's any lunch-time deliveries places near you ;)
<ljarvis> still haven't used those yet
* workmad3 can get cake delivered from about 11a.m to 3a.m.
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<ljarvis> oh my
<ljarvis> well that is the kind of thing that would make my life better
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<workmad3> I'm not sure 'better' is a word that should be applied to being able to get cake easier...
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<ljarvis> i respectfully disagree
<mikecmpbll> is there a way to get the name of the form (the top level parameter) from the form object?
<workmad3> from a hedonist perspective, yeah... from a waistline perspective, not so much
<ljarvis> mikecmpbll: 'the form object'
<ljarvis> wat
<mikecmpbll> form_for :foo do |f|
<mikecmpbll> f < -- form object
<ljarvis> oic
<ljarvis> probably via f.object
<mikecmpbll> i want to get "foo", or if i've done form_for :foo, as: :bar i want to get :bar!
<mikecmpbll> k, sec.
<ljarvis> right it probably wont work for that
<ljarvis> 1 sec
<ljarvis> maybe object_name ?
<ljarvis> or via options I guess
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<mikecmpbll> yeah, object_name does it
<mikecmpbll> thanks!
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<yorickpeterse> Once upon a time Yorick decided to use Faraday
<yorickpeterse> I now hate myself
<yorickpeterse> (more so than usual)
<whitequark> #yorick-hating-himself
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<yorickpeterse> HAHAHA
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<yorickpeterse> So apparently if you do `Faraday.new { configure dat shit here }` stuff works
<yorickpeterse> if you do `f = Faraday.new; f.configure_here_yo` it doesn't
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<yorickpeterse> where's mislav when you need him
<manveru> step 1 of using faraday: pity yourself
<yorickpeterse> I was going to use tarcieri's http gem but it doesn't do proxies
<yorickpeterse> patron apparently doesn't work on 2.0
<yorickpeterse> httpclient does weird runtime module extending shit
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<manveru> when in doubt, use system('curl') :)
<manveru> at least i know how to parallelize that
<yorickpeterse> doesn't matter, Ruby can't scale anyway
<manveru> hehe
<manveru> well, i'd have written it in go anyway
<ljarvis> lets all just use node
* manveru slaps ljarvis with a large whale
* yorickpeterse slaps ljarvis a few times
<ljarvis> D:
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<ljarvis> i was not prepared for a 3some
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<judofyr> HTTP clients: still not a solved problem in Ruby
<yorickpeterse> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: ;poke mislav on twitter maybe
<yorickpeterse> just did
<yorickpeterse> not sure if it's a Faraday thing or something with the redirect following middleware
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<r0bgleeson> ljarvis: node seems cool, it's oriented towards a smaller stack that act more like services from what ive seen, but the community dont seem that friendly
<yorickpeterse> > node seems cool
<yorickpeterse> > javascript
<yorickpeterse> get out
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<r0bgleeson> im one of those strange weirdo's who doesnt mind JS too much
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<yorickpeterse> JS has its merits
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<r0bgleeson> i prefer JS over coffeescript
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<yorickpeterse> so do I, because JS at least has sane tooling (jshint, chrome debugger without source maps, etc0
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<yorickpeterse> plus the Coffeescript compiler is the dumbest thing ever
<r0bgleeson> coffeescript is a horrible language, to me
<r0bgleeson> it is a ruby mutant
<gnufied> the tooling is indeed a problem. I personally prefer coffee, but emacs support for coffee is crap
<r0bgleeson> maybe thats why i dont like coffee =D
<gnufied> to begin with coffee-mode feels primitive!
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<gnufied> and then no skewer-mode etc
<gnufied> :(
<ljarvis> I prefer coffee
<gnufied> to tea?
<ljarvis> vim-coffee is good too
<ljarvis> no tea beats everything except beer
<yorickpeterse> tea > beer
<judofyr> tea beer > *
<yorickpeterse> that's so scandinavian
<gnufied> ljarvis: So emacs has like IDE like features for JS
<gnufied> s/like//
<ljarvis> that sounds terrible
<gnufied> auto-completion, documentation, etc
<gnufied> well that depends
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<ljarvis> if you're a vim zealot?
<gnufied> I don't know, how well coffee works in vim
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<gnufied> do even ctags work with coffee?
<ljarvis> I haven't used them with coffee
<ljarvis> but someone has probably built a plugin
<oddmunds> yorickpeterse: the most scandinavian thing is to drink a lot of coffee
<r0bgleeson> coffee-mode in emacs is pretty bad
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<r0bgleeson> it's hard to re-indent without the whole thing going ass ways
<yorickpeterse> that's because there's too much caffeine in it
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<gnufied> r0bgleeson: yep, it is like minor improvement over fundamental/text mode. :P
<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: thats why vim is asleep when emacs is at the party
<yorickpeterse> that's not per se a bad thing
<yorickpeterse> when vim wakes up it will feel refreshed and clean
<yorickpeterse> ready to gg=G127co59 once more
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<r0bgleeson> it never wakes up, it's in a coma in ER
<yorickpeterse> when you vimparty you party hard
<ljarvis> gg
<ljarvis> dat post install
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<gnufied> damn, India is not even there. :(
<yorickpeterse> lol NL 5th
<r0bgleeson> thats all the tourists confused by the term 'coffee shop'
<ljarvis> much better
<r0bgleeson> hah no surprise ireland up there on that one
<yorickpeterse> UK 5th? better step up your game
<ljarvis> no one can beat the turks
<ljarvis> they must breathe tea
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<r0bgleeson> different culture
<r0bgleeson> no alcohol
<gnufied> looks like India just produces these stuff
<gnufied> gotta get dat money
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<r0bgleeson> ireland only has one flavor of tea too
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<yorickpeterse> pretty sure I drink more than those countries combined
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<r0bgleeson> yeah
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<r0bgleeson> ireland/UK are about the same
<r0bgleeson> on alcohol
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<yorickpeterse> stracing rails apps
<yorickpeterse> yay
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<r0bgleeson> ive been working on a concurrent code tracer built on top of set_trace_func
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<yorickpeterse> jesus Rails apps do a lot of open/lstat calls
<yorickpeterse> HEY BRO YOU GOT THIS FILE FOR ME? NO? HEY BRO YOU GOT THAT SAME FILE FOR ME? NO? *repeat*
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<kingr0b> that's ruby doing that
<yorickpeterse> it spends 30% of its time doing that shit
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<yorickpeterse> it takes 1m20 to boot up rails runner
<yorickpeterse> this is insane
<lianj> on a gameboy, yea
<lianj> but yea, rails bootup is insane, specially for tests
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<manveru> just because people hate to require stuff themselves :P
<yorickpeterse> yeah heavens forbid using a require()
<yorickpeterse> REQUIRE() IS A CODE SMELL!!11
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<manveru> yeah, require is totally not DRY
<kingr0b> from what i heard Kernel#require has some of the blame too
<yorickpeterse> like why the fuck does it needs to load rubygems plugins
<yorickpeterse> I JUST WANT TO BOOT STUFF UP
<yorickpeterse> not run some rdoc plugin
<kingr0b> that's bundler groups?
<yorickpeterse> No
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<yorickpeterse> Bundler says nono to all that
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<kingr0b> i donno why then
<kingr0b> rails boot time is definitely the thorn in my side though
<manveru> well, you can fix that by doing the requires yourself
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<manveru> or using an even crazier hack to combat that hacky rails behavior... there are some libs that keep rails running in the background and do a new fork for every test or something
<yorickpeterse> yeah zeus
<yorickpeterse> fuck that
<yorickpeterse> I'm not going to start up a bloody server to run a test
<kingr0b> yeah, one of them is written in go. there is a pure ruby version called 'spring', but it's new. there's an older version that uses DRB to do the same thing.
<kingr0b> it helps but it's a horrible hack
<manveru> rails described in one sentence :)
<kingr0b> haha
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<kingr0b> i agree, i think it makes it too easy to make bad decisions that don't look bad until its too late
<ljarvis> spring is good
<ljarvis> but im probably bias
<judofyr> autorequiring gems is a terrible idea
<gnufied> I found zeus and spring both to be broken in one way or another
<gnufied> :(
<kingr0b> spring is advertised as broken though
<manveru> that makes it all better
<kingr0b> well, it is still under development
<kingr0b> it's probably going back into rails when it is ready
<gnufied> it is in fact
<gnufied> we can already see commits about spring in rails
<gnufied> :-)
<kingr0b> but that's a bit sad
<kingr0b> because that's how rails is solving that problem
<ljarvis> how would you solve it? without ruby being a lot faster, there's only so much you can do about the massive rails overhead
<manveru> purge the const_missing crap
<gnufied> won't that make it even more slower?
<gnufied> which is eager loading
<yorickpeterse> The solution is fucking easy
<yorickpeterse> Rails is slow because of all the meta crap it does the moment you subclass something, include a module, etc
<manveru> how is it slower if it doesn't have to look into every single file for the missing constant?
<yorickpeterse> take that out and you can have one billion require() calls for all you want
<kingr0b> rails has the wrong approach to me a lot of the time. it doesn't encourage you to strip the stack, it starts with a stack that probably has much more than you need and how files are required is voodoo. you can optimize with bundler groups and so on but at some point i think rails needs to realize you can't scale anything easily that is monolithic, and even though you have MVC rails builds monolithic
<kingr0b> applications
<ljarvis> it's opinionated, deal with it
<gnufied> manveru: I am mostly thinking of startup time though. it does not load everything.
<kingr0b> nice, are you taking lessons from DHH?
<kingr0b> because that's just not an argument to even reply with
<kingr0b> be open to changing your opinion
<yorickpeterse> omakase
<yorickpeterse> turbolinks
<gnufied> const_missing is crazy
<ljarvis> kingr0b: who cares about my opinion? i'm a realist, it's opinionated, that's a fact
<yorickpeterse> having said that I haven't tried Rails 4 yet
<ddd> king0b no, rails states from the beginning its opinionated. if you don't like that, don't use it
<gnufied> But I am not sure removing it will make rails startup time faster
<ddd> pretty simple
<kingr0b> ljarvis: okay, but that's just another horrible fact if that means rails is not open to change.
<ljarvis> kingr0b: right
<ljarvis> and my reply is: deal with it
<ljarvis> I'm not disagreeing
<kingr0b> i dont have a problem though
<kingr0b> like i dont feel the need to deal with it
<workmad3> news just in - rails is only appropriate for certain types of app!
<kingr0b> i think people just need to be more vocal and stop defending rails with non-arguments
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<ljarvis> i think rails is generally versatile
<yorickpeterse> who cares, Ruby doesn't scale anyway
<yorickpeterse> Twitter said so
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<yorickpeterse> lets all use Scala
<gnufied> manveru: it also autoloads most of core classes. but admittedly they have monkey patched autoload
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<ljarvis> ruby doesn't scale well and that matters for twitter, it probably doesn't for your startup and wont for years
<ljarvis> when it's obsolete, move on
<kingr0b> ruby doesn't scale is silly
<workmad3> kingr0b: yeah, bits of rails aren't great, and it certainly defaults to pulling in a lot of stuff... I think ljarvis is just saying 'so what? it still works' to that
<kingr0b> ruby doesn't scale as a rails app
<gnufied> yorickpeterse: but then you will complain more about startup time
<yorickpeterse> gnufied: that doesn't matter when your type system is rock solid
<yorickpeterse> it allows you to write bug free code
<ljarvis> herp derp concerns
<gnufied> heh. I have deployed bunch of production apps in Scala and I am not sure if I would have got anything done without yourkit
<kingr0b> workmad3: yeah, it works, i'm not denying that, but rails is the *only way* people build application and its architecture does not lend well to a distributed platform. it is going to bring ruby down with it if other options dont appear.
<gnufied> ruby defenitely needs better tooling but ruby 2.1 looks good in that department.
<gnufied> like, we shouldn't have to strace to find, why is something slow
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<whitequark> gnufied: perftools.rb
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<yorickpeterse> kingr0b: eh?
<yorickpeterse> I have 20 or so non Rails apps here in a pretty distributed fashion :P
<kingr0b> yorickpeterse: you can do it, but it's probably not what rails developers know
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<yorickpeterse> none of these pricks use autoloading either, they boot up fast
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<lianj> enough rails for the day
<lianj> maybe a week
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<yorickpeterse> HNNNGGGG FARADAY
<yorickpeterse> Net::HTTP itself works, Patron works, Faraday gives back a 50
<yorickpeterse> * 500
* yorickpeterse facedesks multiple times
<yorickpeterse> maybe I should use httpclient again, it might purge the method cache quite often but at least it worked
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<ljarvis> dat method cache
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<imperator> can someone running jruby do a quick test for me?
<imperator> create a dangling link and see what File.exists? returns on it
<lupine> irb(main):001:0> File.exists?("bar") => false
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<lupine> which seems to match MRI
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<imperator> it does?
<imperator> hm, ok
<chris2> yes
<chris2> also test -e
<lupine> 1.8.7, certainly
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<lupine> and 1.9.2
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<chris2> also false on loopy link :)
<imperator> ok, thanks
<chris2> stat("dangle", 0x7fff11eecc50) = -1 ELOOP (Too many levels of symbolic links)
<chris2> boring :P
<lupine> more interesting: File.stat("bar") returns ENOENT
<lupine> stat bar works though
<chris2> lupine: that's correct. you need lstat
<chris2> and stat(1) defaults to lstat
<lupine> ah
<chris2> actually depends on your stat
<lupine> all's well that ends well
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<imperator> ok, next test - does File.delete work on a dangling (or loopy) link?
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<chris2> returns 1 and the link is gone
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<imperator> both mri and jruby?
<chris2> ruby 2.0.0p353 (2013-11-22 revision 43784) [x86_64-linux]
<chris2> i dont have anything else
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<chris2> but it should translate 1:1 into a unlink(2)
<imperator> ok
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<lupine> same behaviour for jruby
<lupine> (1.7.4 as it happens)
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<imperator> thank you
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<imperator> yep, windows issue
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<darix> imperator: links on windows are special fun anyway arent they?
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<imperator> darix, i'm trying to make life easier for ruby users :)
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<darix> and we appreciate that
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<imperator> why is github asking me to merge a branch that already exists?
<imperator> god fucking dammit, i do not get git sometimes
<rejuvyesh> hello! I cannot connect to rubygem servers while using https: https://gist.github.com/rejuvyesh/7913538
<rejuvyesh> It works if I don't use https, and I was getting by. But this appoach does not allow pushing my own gem
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<rejuvyesh> anyone?
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<momomomomo> the default source now is https
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<imperator> nm, some silly github thing, not git - deactivating panic mode
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<rejuvyesh> momomomomo: I know. But I always get the Errno::ECONNREFUSED: Connection refused - connect(2) (https://rubygems.org/specs.4.8.gz)
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<imperator> you guys might want to hop over to #rubygems
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<NemesisD> anyone remember a rack middleware that takes the request and makes the request somewhere else? it wasn't rack proxy
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<gjaldon> what's a good book to read on Unix programming? interested in learning more about system calls and Unix so I can better understand Unicorn and similar libraries
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<imperator> The Art of Unix Programming is the standard I'd say
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<gjaldon> have your tried reading other books on Unix? what makes the book worth reading?
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<gjaldon> imperator: the question above is for you
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<imperator> I think there's one from O'Reilly, but it's not as comprehensive - the Art of Unix Programming is pretty good - covers all the topics you'll need with examples and clear explanations
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<senj> I'd suggest Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment for a comprehensive understanding of Unix system calls. The Art of Unix Programming focused more on Unix-style design and philosophy.
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<gjaldon> thanks for the suggestions senj and imperator
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<gjaldon> has anyone read The Linux Programming Interface: A Linux and UNIX System Programming Handbook?
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<imperator> gjaldon, actually....that's the book i meant! oops, i got them mixed up
<imperator> senj, thanks
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<imperator> yes, skip the art of unix programming, get advanced programming in the unix environment
<senj> yeah, I half-suspected you had the names switched
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<gjaldon> thanks guys
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<imperator> i have not read the linux book
<imperator> the advance programming book does try to be generic, so certain things may not apply, but you can skip those chapters if they don't interest you
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<yorickpeterse> best test is production test
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<momomomomo> :O
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<yorickpeterse> ASJDLKASJDLKS MONGODB
<lianj> ?
<yorickpeterse> Somebody please start a startup that focuses on telling people why they should *NOT* use MongoDB
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<yorickpeterse> slow pig of a database
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<yorickpeterse> at least bundle install -j4 is webscale
<yorickpeterse> 10min deploy down to around 3,5 minutes
<ohsix> that sounds like one of those statements, that if they were supported by something, it's probably best to not try and keep it a secret and generally blather about it
<lianj> didn't mongo drop half of a sane dbs features because of speed
<yorickpeterse> lianj: implying it ever had those
<yorickpeterse> it can't even count stuff ffs
<lianj> sure
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<chris2> bougyman: ping
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