apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<whitequark> dbussink: ping
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<whitequark> rbx has weird stdlib-related failures again. https://travis-ci.org/whitequark/parser/jobs/16018205
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<r0bgleeson> whitequark: yeah, seems like an issue here too https://github.com/rubinius/rubinius/issues/2855
<r0bgleeson> not sure what is causing it
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<yorickpeterse> MORNING CHILDREN
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<yorickpeterse> one day of work, at home, pretty sweet
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<ljarvis> wat
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: http://youtu.be/72RqpItxd8M this
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<r0bgleeson> kung fuhrer, lol
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<yorickpeterse> fuck you rspec for not letting me stub in before(:all)
<yxhuvud> indeed. very inconvenient.
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<whitequark> just fuck rspec in general
<whitequark> use minitest or something
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<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: why is that?
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<whitequark> r0bgleeson: it's not just about expect() and friends
<gnufied> lets hear it
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<yorickpeterse> r0bgleeson: because now I have to move an "expensive" operation to a before { } block
<r0bgleeson> whitequark: I was referring to the mention of minitest
<yorickpeterse> so it runs every darn time, which is not needed at all
<whitequark> it's how rspec feels a need to reinvent practically everything ruby has, from inheritance to method definition
<gnufied> I personally feel debating virtues of unit testing frameworks is waste of time. they are all pretty much same.
<whitequark> for example the hoops you need to jump through to define a matched are ridiculous
<yorickpeterse> oh, I use none of that crap
<yorickpeterse> I just use ye olde methods
<whitequark> *a matcher
<yorickpeterse> Was a fan of Bacon but it's output was confusing most of the time
<yorickpeterse> * its
<whitequark> all huge frameworks tend to do this, but rspec doesn't *need* to be huge
<r0bgleeson> i've seen some things I don't like (like "shared contexts") but matchers are usually pretty cool
<r0bgleeson> i havent written my own though
<whitequark> yeah, can you say how to write one from memory? last time I spent half a hour or so figuring it out
<r0bgleeson> i use test-unit in my personal projects, and rspec or something like it everywhere else
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<whitequark> `def assert_foo(bar)` in minitest.
<r0bgleeson> come on :)
<r0bgleeson> not exactly fair
<yorickpeterse> why not?
<yorickpeterse> I'd say that's perfectly fair
<whitequark> it's not even debating some fine details of architecture, I just hate to use rspec because it makes me feel dumb
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<whitequark> without a good reason
<r0bgleeson> sure, it works, but rspec is a little bit more creative than that. imagine a predicate like tired?, you could say, subject.should be_tired.
<whitequark> assert subject.tired?
<r0bgleeson> yeah, sure.
* yorickpeterse popcorn
<gnufied> ^ exactly!
<gnufied> :-)
<r0bgleeson> you could be that simple.
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<r0bgleeson> i don't see what minitest is so great for if you're using test-unit style assertions though
<gnufied> there are some good things admittedly
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<gnufied> the whole example thing for reusing specs is gross in rspec
<yorickpeterse> (ssssh don't tell anybody that test-unit uses minitest)
<gnufied> too many moving pieces
<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: no it doesn't.
<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: that hasn't been true for a while.
<gnufied> sure it reads better, but it is not intuitive
<gnufied> with minitest it is just modules
<yorickpeterse> r0bgleeson: you are wrong
<r0bgleeson> ah true, it uses it
<r0bgleeson> but it's not minitest
<yorickpeterse> it is minitest
<yorickpeterse> it's vendored, but it's very much minitest
<yorickpeterse> it's why you can't use minitest 5 and test-unit together
<r0bgleeson> it is a legacy API implemented on top of minitest
<gnufied> similarly let vs let!
<gnufied> it forces you to read framework documentation.
<gnufied> I have been using rspec for 4 years and still have to read their cucumber styled docs
<gnufied> there is something in that IMO
<gnufied> subject is almost same as let
<gnufied> except conventions
<yorickpeterse> fuck let()
<yorickpeterse> there are a few cases where it's useful though
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<gnufied> people where I work have gone whole hog on let
<yorickpeterse> I also had a nice threiadng issue because of them in my tests
<gnufied> I see let in all new projects
<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: it says it right there at the top of the file.
<gnufied> personally I don't see what is the big deal. but Jim Weirich has been evangelizing it somewhat
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<yorickpeterse> gnufied: it comes with Rails, thus people think it's the one true thing to use
<yorickpeterse> I have 4 let() blocks in this project apparently
<gnufied> you are luck
<yorickpeterse> and they actually make sense
<gnufied> lucky*
<yorickpeterse> I kinda like the stubbing of rspec though, easy way to get rid of HTTP stuff
<r0bgleeson> what comes with rails?
<yorickpeterse> (where webmock & friends don't cut it)
<gnufied> ha ha. rspec surely does not come with rails though
<r0bgleeson> rspec does not come with rails at all
<yorickpeterse> as in, it's the usual suspect in terms of testing and I believe it's in the Gemfile
<gnufied> it is not
<r0bgleeson> test-unit is the default and de facto for the 37signals/rails guys
<yorickpeterse> gnufied: oh? Thought it was
<yorickpeterse> Either way, it *is* pretty common in Rails land
<r0bgleeson> rails tests are test-unit
<yorickpeterse> r0bgleeson: wrong Gemfile
<r0bgleeson> you still won't find rspec in there
<r0bgleeson> in any Gemfile you find
<gnufied> anyways, I personally don't have problems with rspec. it is just community has adopted certain practices which I think are needlessly complicated
<gnufied> what could have been solved by ruby, we are throwing DSLs at it
<gnufied> shared_examples, shared_contexts etc
<gnufied> let, let!, subject,
<r0bgleeson> yeah i dont like that "use_context" stuff too much
<r0bgleeson> subject can be okay
<r0bgleeson> because it can become an implicit self
<r0bgleeson> so you can say { should be_tired }
<r0bgleeson> it { should be_tired } rather.
<gnufied> ruby has modules, doesn't it?
<gnufied> :-)
<yorickpeterse> I think I have one shared context somewhere
<yorickpeterse> it adds a before :all and after :all block
<yorickpeterse> it's for some older projects that still rely on database cleaner
<r0bgleeson> you should rewrite it as a ActiveSupport::Concern with an included() hook.
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<whitequark> wow, and I just went for a phone call
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: you have phones in Russia?
<yorickpeterse> also lol http://hastebin.com/raw/solehehufi
<yorickpeterse> refactoring!
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: um, yes?
<whitequark> though this was a Skype call
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<whitequark> and I generally prefer SIP because fuck PSTN and GSM
<r0bgleeson> what is review_persister?
<yorickpeterse> $WORK project
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<yorickpeterse> it saves reviews
<r0bgleeson> ah
<yorickpeterse> go figure
<yorickpeterse> it's one of the more boringly named projects
<r0bgleeson> i thought it was a special machine for code review
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<maloik_> if you have def foo *bar, how do you pass an array into that method?
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<maloik_> foo([1, 2, 3]) doesn't seem to work
<yorickpeterse> that's due to how splats work
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<yorickpeterse> here `bar` will be [[1, 2, 3]]
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<maloik_> yep exactly
<maloik_> how do I avoid that ?
<yorickpeterse> flatten it, or dont use a splat
<yorickpeterse> (you have to flatten it in `foo`)
<DefV> or call foo(*[1,2,3])
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<maloik_> ah that works ?
<maloik_> lets see
<yorickpeterse> >> def foo(*args); args[0].is_a?(Array) ? args.flatten : args; end; foo([10, 20, 30])
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => [10, 20, 30] (https://eval.in/83375)
<yorickpeterse> smells though
<DefV> flatten might be too agressive
<DefV> foo([[10], [20], [30, 40]]) would result in [10, 20, 30, 40]
<maloik_> DefV's solution works fine
<maloik_> problem solved :-)
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<r0bgleeson> i always feel firty when i use .flatten
<r0bgleeson> hehe dirty*
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<whitequark> .flatten(1)
<whitequark> and it doesn't smell as much
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<r0bgleeson> whenever i find myself using flatten() it's usually because i'm doing something weird somewhere else.
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<whitequark> yes
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<mechanicles> Hi all
<bougyman> harro
<mechanicles> I want to parse comma separated values using regex...anybody knows good reqgex example?
<r0bgleeson> why would you use a regexp and not the 'CSV' library?
<yorickpeterse> mechanicles: Yes
<yorickpeterse> mechanicles: require 'csv'
<mechanicles> We had problems with the encoding...there are some rows which have different encoding style and some have another encoding styles
<r0bgleeson> treat them as ASCII-8BIT then?
<rsl> mechanicles: you can rescue inside each row and/or handle that per row. i can't imagine a regex is gonna solve that but make it more complicated.
<r0bgleeson> you probably aren't going to get far with a regexp
<yorickpeterse> If regexps are your solution to encoding you're....well...lost
<r0bgleeson> mechanicles: you can read the file as 'ASCII-8BIT', which is the byte encoding you were use to on 1.8
<r0bgleeson> you shouldn't run into any transcode errors then
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<mechanicles> r0bgleeson: let me check
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<r0bgleeson> that means you have a string of bytes though..
<r0bgleeson> just be aware of that
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<ironcamel> is %{ ... } the exact same thing as %Q{ ... } ?
<ironcamel> oh, i think the first way requires ruby 2.0 ?
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<Mon_Ouie> No, they both work in 1.9 and 1.8 too
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<ironcamel> and the response to him was "Works in Ruby 1.9.3 too."
<Mon_Ouie> 18>> %{foo}
<eval-in> Mon_Ouie => "foo" (https://eval.in/83546)
<Mon_Ouie> It even works in 1.0 :p
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