apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks
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<ddfreyne> So... YAML assumes datetimes without timezone information to be in UTC. Does that make sense?
<ddfreyne> YAML.load("foo: 2013-11-23 13:00:00") # => {"foo"=>2013-11-23 14:00:00 +0100}
<ddfreyne> That is annoying :(
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<yorickpeterse> eh, that's not YAML
<yorickpeterse> that's how Ruby works
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<yorickpeterse> >> require 'time'; Time.parse('2013-11-23 13:00:000')
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => 2013-11-23 13:00:00 +0100 (https://eval.in/72941)
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'time'; Time.parse('2013-11-23 13:00:000 UTC')
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => 2013-11-23 13:00:00 UTC (https://eval.in/72942)
<ddfreyne> Time.parse behaves differently
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'yaml'; YAML.load("foo: 2013-11-23 13:00:00")
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => (https://eval.in/72943)
<yorickpeterse> fucking bot
<yorickpeterse> >> require 'yaml'; p YAML.load("foo: 2013-11-23 13:00:00")
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => (https://eval.in/72944)
<yorickpeterse> wat
<yorickpeterse> oh derp, it reads a file for that?
<yorickpeterse> lol
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<ledestin> pipe.ready? fails for me as no such method. any other way to check for presence of data?
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<r0bgleeson> ledestin: IO.select
<ledestin> r0bgleeson: I opted for read_nonblock in the end
<r0bgleeson> okay
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<yorickpeterse> oh nice, I can't unsubscribe from ruby-core because the control Email address doesn't exist
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<charliesome> yorickpeterse: here forever
<charliesome> one of us
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<yorickpeterse> there's just too much noise on the list, even with my 10-or-so filters
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<yorickpeterse> would be nice if there was a list that was not linked to Redmine
<yorickpeterse> basically #ruby-lang but via Email
<r0bgleeson> ruby-forum.com?
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<yorickpeterse> that website is shit
<yorickpeterse> and it has "forum" in it
<yorickpeterse> I don't like forums
<r0bgleeson> you can subscribe to non-redmine stuff there
<yorickpeterse> hmm
<r0bgleeson> its not a forum but an aggregrate of a ML in a web UI
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: also what gives with you being in the US nowadays, don't tell me you left your basement for Sillicon valley
<charliesome> yorickpeterse: visiting
<yorickpeterse> lucky bastard
<r0bgleeson> if flying for 8+ hours is lucky
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<raphinesse> Hi everyone, I try to determine where a file gets required. I tried to raise an exception in the required file, but nothing happens. However, according to Gem.loaded_specs the gem is loaded. Any Ideas?
<yorickpeterse> 8 hours is hardly anything
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<yorickpeterse> raphinesse: the Gem might be loaded, but said file might not be
<r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: i'm a terrible flyer
<raphinesse> Is a raise on require even possible?
<r0bgleeson> its like being trapped in hell for 8 hours
<yorickpeterse> r0bgleeson: stop being the pilot then
<r0bgleeson> hehe
<yorickpeterse> I do have to say that my 14 hour flight to Seoul/Toky was a bit lengthy
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<yorickpeterse> * Tokyo
<MrZYX> raphinesse: sure, a gems spec in Gem.loded_specs just doesn't mean (all) files of a gem are loaded
<yorickpeterse> especially when my laptop ran out of power
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: ruby-talk?
<r0bgleeson> it's a very constrained experience, too much security and waiting around with nothing to do
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<yorickpeterse> oh I usually make a game out of pushing security to the edge :P
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<yorickpeterse> especially Dutch customs are fun
<yorickpeterse> e.g. one time one of those body scanners showed that supposedly there was a large area of "suspicious" content under my left armpit
<r0bgleeson> haha
<yorickpeterse> So I got patted down and said something along the lines of "careful, I might have a bomb under my armpit"
<raphinesse> yorickpeterse: would raising in the gemspec be an option then? It's just plain ruby isn't it?
<yorickpeterse> Tokyo customs scared the shit out of me though
<yorickpeterse> raphinesse: can't
<yorickpeterse> raphinesse: it's easier to raise something in hte lib/foo.rb file
<yorickpeterse> So when I arrived in Tokyo the first thing they did was sniff me with dogs
<yorickpeterse> while looking very stern at me
<yorickpeterse> Needless to say I did not try to play any games, so their plan worked :<
<yorickpeterse> man I miss Japan :<
<raphinesse> yorickpeterse: yeah, that's where I tried to raise. definitely the file that is used for requires. not just any file...
<r0bgleeson> you might be hitting another file in $LOAD_PATH first
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: ruby-talk is the one I'm subscribed to
<yorickpeterse> I think
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<yorickpeterse> wait
<yorickpeterse> ah derp, that was indeed ruby-core
<r0bgleeson> ruby-forum.com could use some work but i find it less demanding than e-mail
<raphinesse> Any other ideas on how to find out where a gem is required? grep -r is not so nice since any dependency gem might itself have required the gem in question...
<yorickpeterse> raphinesse: what problem are you trying to solve?
<yorickpeterse> (besides finding where a Gem is loaded)
<r0bgleeson> raphinesse: monkey patch require, check caller
<r0bgleeson> match against your file, otherwise super
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<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: sounds like a plan
<r0bgleeson> yeah im full of horrible ideas
<raphinesse> yorickpeterse: Basically I suppose some gem is messing with $stdout, and I try to reduce loaded gems to narrow down the suspects
<yorickpeterse> ah
<raphinesse> yorickpeterse: and I can't find the places where some of the loaded gems are required ^^
<MrZYX> messes in what way? patches a method or replaces its value?
<raphinesse> MrZYX: resetting it to STDOUT when it actually should be an instance of Win32Console::Whatever
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: sounds like it ^^
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<raphinesse> monkey patching require breaks everything, guess I'm doing it wrong ^^
<r0bgleeson> you need to be a little smart about it
<r0bgleeson> you'll need to keep a reference to the original require
<r0bgleeson> and call that when you have a miss
<r0bgleeson> people sometimes use alias_method but i prefer Method objects & closure scope
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<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: Is it a method on the Kernel module itself (self.require) or does the module get included into some main context object?
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<r0bgleeson> raphinesse: it is a module function (a singleton method on Kernel and a private instance method as well)
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<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: nope, doesn't show anything, neither your nor my version
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: the same with raising instead of printing
<r0bgleeson> then require is redefined again or 'coderay' is not being required.
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: I get the feeling that it never got required, but shows up in Gem.loaded_specs for some other reason
<MrZYX> using bundler?
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<raphinesse> MrZYX: yes
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<raphinesse> not for running my command right now, but it is required
<MrZYX> then it's very possible that the spec is loaded but the gem not required
<raphinesse> MrZYX: Hm, any other viable solution how I might narrow down gems that could be resposible for messing with $stdout, ie reducing the number of gems I grep -r for $stdout and STDOUT?
<r0bgleeson> well
<r0bgleeson> wrap the IO object
<r0bgleeson> check caller from there
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<r0bgleeson> IOWrap.new($stdout)
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<MrZYX> I'd just grep -r $GEM_HOME and grab a coffee
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<raphinesse> MrZYX: It's not so much about the time the grep -r takes than about the amount of data I have to process ;)
<MrZYX> grep -RE "\$stdout\s*=" or something like that
<r0bgleeson> raphinesse: $stdout = IOWrap.new($stdout.dup)
<r0bgleeson> implement IOWrap to check caller
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: Unfortunately the "messing with" is replacing :/
<r0bgleeson> when its written to
<r0bgleeson> ah
<r0bgleeson> ok
<MrZYX> well, if it's really replaced by STDOUT you could replace STDOUT with that wrapper, I just don't think that'll yield less results than a nicely crafted grep
<raphinesse> MrZYX: But wrapping anything would hardly give me the loacation of a simple assignment...
<MrZYX> yeah
<MrZYX> try grepping for $stdout = STDOUT, that should be pretty unique
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<raphinesse> MrZYX: haha, haven't even tried that. I suppose I'm a pessimist for not even trying ^^
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<raphinesse> nah, only matches in test cases/helpers. Can I be sure that what was printed as #<IO:<STDOUT>> is always STDOUT?
<raphinesse> My guess was that the replacement would be not as simple ^^
<MrZYX> hm, so maybe look for just "$stdout ="
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<MrZYX> yields interesting stuff like $stdout = self.new($stdout) for me :P
<MrZYX> oh or $stdout = IoHackStream.new
<MrZYX> another nice one: STDOUT = $stdout = fake_stdout = StringIO.new
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<raphinesse> MrZYX: the last one should at least ensure that everything is captured XD
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<MrZYX> well, no, they forgot $stderr :P
<MrZYX> and STDERR
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<raphinesse> MrZYX: yeah, I assumed only normal output :P
<raphinesse> I'll try the monkeypatching again but simply output every required gem instead
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<MrZYX> another idea I'd have is grep -RE '\$stdout[[:space:]]*=' $(bundle exec ruby -e 'print $LOAD_PATH.join(" ")') to make sure to catch all loadable gems
<MrZYX> but now it's bed time for me ;)
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: BTW, should my version that I posted as a comment to your gist work, too?
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<raphinesse> MrZYX: OK, will try that. thx so far
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<r0bgleeson> raphinesse: yeah, alias_method is the old trick for doing the same thing
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: ok, thx
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: do you know if the path resolving that require does is available as a stand alone?
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: because the arguments to require that I printed are not that helpful after all ^^
<r0bgleeson> its implemented inside ruby, i think rubinius probably has the most open require, so the answer is probably no
<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: hm, thought as much :/
<whitequark> def can_require?(f) $LOAD_PATH.find { |d| File.exists?(File.join(d, f)) } end
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<raphinesse> whitequark: nice one
<r0bgleeson> we're actually trying to print the callstack from a callsite of require when the path is == "something"
<r0bgleeson> unless the problem has diverged significantly
<raphinesse> a bit
<raphinesse> right now I'm trying to get a reliable list of potentially executed code first
<raphinesse> therefore the printing from require
<r0bgleeson> can_require?() isn't the best way to do that
<raphinesse> since Gem.loaded_specs turned out to be not as helpful
<r0bgleeson> you can collect stats from require itself
<r0bgleeson> as your code runs
<raphinesse> that's waht I'm doing
<raphinesse> but the paths passed to require are not that helpful either
<r0bgleeson> they're relative yeah
<raphinesse> so now I'm trying to figure out the absolute paths
<r0bgleeson> gotcha.
<raphinesse> so modifing can_require? to return the first match should do the trick
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<r0bgleeson> for certain
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<r0bgleeson> it already does
<r0bgleeson> it returns nil or the path, so path + relative.
<raphinesse> yeah, just noticed ^^
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<raphinesse> curiously there's 12 times where require returned true but can require returned nil o.O
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<raphinesse> aah, the optional ".rb"
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<r0bgleeson> raphinesse: turns out we overdid it, https://gist.github.com/robgleeson/7633472
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<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: Interesting. What about super instead of Kernel.require?
<r0bgleeson> that wont work
<r0bgleeson> there's no super to go to
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<raphinesse> yeah, I don't quite get that ^^ Saw it working in contexts where I didn't thought it would
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<r0bgleeson> raphinesse: the self is different, it is resolved from main#require (instance method) who resolves to Kernel#require who usually implements that method. you can't go back any further because no implementation exists. Kernel.require belongs to another self/object.
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<raphinesse> r0bgleeson: OK, makes sense
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<raphinesse> Argh, there are exactly two matches for `grep -Ins '\$stdout[[:space:]]*=' REQUIRED_FILES`. And none qualifies -_-
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