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delinquentme: you mean the hadamard product?
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heftig, I believe
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delinquentme: doesn't even seem to support cross product of vectors
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are there still no good memory profiling tools these days? :\
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maybe using the object allocation mode of perftools.rb?
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drbrain: holy wowza
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now we're cookin with gas
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should be propane
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what about butane?
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or methane?
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propane is best for cooking
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Having some issues with imagemagick from ruby (via minimagick), it seems it can't find "identify" which is definately in my $PATH
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maloik_ >
Anyone know what I should be checking ?
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maloik_ >
(also: good morning)
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this works for now, but it's the worst fix ever: ENV['PATH'] = "/usr/local/bin:#{ENV['PATH']}"
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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mikecmpbll >
can't stop sneezing -_-
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yorickpeterse >
stop sniffing drugs
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mikecmpbll >
but .. :(
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maloik_ >
working from home while waiting for a delivery
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maloik_ >
I could do this more often
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maloik_ >
so nice and quiet (aside from the metal I'm blasting)
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yorickpeterse >
proper metal
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maloik_ >
hahaha that's mazing
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maloik_ >
s/maz/amaz/
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ljarvis >
I'll see myself out
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yorickpeterse >
it was purrfect
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yorickpeterse >
also 10:30 is way too early to cowboy code
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ljarvis >
not for yorickpeterse!
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yorickpeterse >
yeah it kinda is, I haven't even finished my first mug of tea
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yorickpeterse >
ok fixed
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yorickpeterse >
herp derp something already casting X to a TIme
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yorickpeterse >
and then parsing it with Date
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yorickpeterse >
which doesn't work
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yorickpeterse >
some field was expected to be a String and should then be parsed using Date.parse
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yorickpeterse >
apparently it was a Time instance
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yorickpeterse >
which you can't parse
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yorickpeterse >
this thing is some old crap that has no tests either
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ljarvis >
why would anything but a string go into date.parse
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ljarvis >
i almost typed date.Parse then.. too much go :/
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yorickpeterse >
I have no idea why it was a Time in the first place
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yorickpeterse >
fuckers
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yorickpeterse >
I thought it was processing a item directly from an SQS queue, turns out it pulls shit from Mongomatic (ughhh)
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yorickpeterse >
However, that doesn't gaurantee that it's always a Time
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yorickpeterse >
so my hack is still legit
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ljarvis >
your work sounds extremely interesting
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yorickpeterse >
that's one way of putting it
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ljarvis >
ya i was being polite
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There's a lot to refactor, and we're slowly doing that. However, with 3 devs and a fuck ton of work to do that doesn't go as fast as hoped
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yorickpeterse >
The running gag here is that everything should've been finished by yesterday, to indicate the amount of stuff usually going on
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e.g. starting Thursday (hopefully) we'll be re-doing our review collection setup, which is a pretty big part
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yorickpeterse >
if not the most important bit
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ljarvis >
is all of your work based on a single entry point? (your company website)
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yorickpeterse >
No, we have 2 web apps and a bucket of daemons that collect data for those apps
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yorickpeterse >
and some internal apps
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yorickpeterse >
We have...
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yorickpeterse >
15 daemons in Jenkins
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6 rails apps/engines
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8 Gems, of which 2 are engines
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yorickpeterse >
and apparently some fucking job is stuck in Jenkins for 24 hours already
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yorickpeterse >
"Took 19h"
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yorickpeterse >
we have 20 projects in Rollbar
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yah
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ljarvis >
why the fuck do you either 1) have so many projects or 2) not have more staff
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yorickpeterse >
a 4th one is doing support/learning, but she's not coding yet
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mikecmpbll >
i have no sympathy
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mikecmpbll >
i work on my own yo.
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yorickpeterse >
Most of these projects are not actively developed, as in, they're for the most part "done"
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yorickpeterse >
for 2) budget mostly
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ljarvis >
i work on my own at one company, one of 3 at another
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ljarvis >
fair enough
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yorickpeterse >
We are very much hiring but I'm not sure if we heard anything back from the past 2 nerds I tried to trap
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ljarvis >
that's not very promising
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yorickpeterse >
but yeah, we really need another 2-3 or so
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ljarvis >
what are you doing wrong? :D
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yorickpeterse >
"Could not find turbolinks-1.3.1 in any of the sources (Bundler::GemNotFound)" ASJDKHASKDHKSADHSD
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yorickpeterse >
Wrong? Not sure in particular, I don't have oversight of the finances
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yorickpeterse >
except for the infra stuff, but I still need to get official AWS billing access
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ljarvis >
i meant in you havent heard anything back from people
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ljarvis >
i mean.. everyone is looking for work nowadays
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One of them was some dude who had to wait 2 months anyway, the other one was shopping around and said he'd contact us (I think)
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yorickpeterse >
lets verify that
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yorickpeterse >
Hm, apparently we indeed haven't heard anything back from the last one
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which was a shame, since that was a pretty cool dude
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yorickpeterse >
Either way, it can be pretty stressful here at times (at least I'd say so based on others, I don't really stress out) but it's good fun
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ljarvis >
is it noisy?
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yorickpeterse >
Depends. Devs are in their own cage/fish bowl (I'm not kidding), but headphones are recommended regardless
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yorickpeterse >
most of us are pretty easy in telling people to bugger off if they're too noisy
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mikecmpbll >
i don't mind a bustling office. as long as it's not all the time.
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ljarvis >
yeah, noise is one of the reasons our devs work from home
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ljarvis >
no point in having distractions if you can help it
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ljarvis >
i've gone into the office 3 times in the last 4 months
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yorickpeterse >
oh, I tend to work from home as well if I really don't want to be bothered
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ot: anyone clued about backbone?
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chris2: i have a little bit of exp. but there's a room for that: #documentcloud
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chris2 >
i'm trying to greasemonkey a backbone site
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and can't figure out if there is a hook run on every change or something
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mikecmpbll >
backbone works with events, yeah.
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lololol websites doing a POST to get existing data
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yorickpeterse >
solid REST right there
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ljarvis >
meh rest is broken anyway, might as well abuse it
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: that's because there's a side-effect!
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apeiros >
(it generates log entries)
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ljarvis >
but then you're updating the log, patch to the rescue!
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yorickpeterse >
I think it's because these people just want it to be "secret" so their stuff isn't in URLs
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yorickpeterse >
well good thing Chrome shows the requests!
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yorickpeterse >
silly websites thinking they're smarter than the rest
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yorickpeterse >
lol, they also include HTML in the JSON blob they're sending back
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yorickpeterse >
this is just like Turbolinks
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gnufied >
chris2: there is no one such hook
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gnufied >
but what specifically you are looking at?
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gnufied >
DOM events or sync events?
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chris2 >
i have some js i want to run after each update
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chris2 >
if the code wasnt minified, it would be easier as well :D
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gnufied >
chris2: okay for that, you can simply patch Backbone.sync
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chris2 >
s=Backbone.sync; Backbone.sync=function(){s(); ...} ?
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chris2 >
like that?
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gnufied >
there is always the chance that, the app does not uses Backbone.sync() for updates and then we are screwed
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chris2 >
the custom stuff is in the error handler?
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gnufied >
yeah, but that is just an example. I think you can do pretty much whatever you want.
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chris2 >
gnufied: that will not set 'this' will it?
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gnufied >
I don't think so
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gnufied >
you will have to access the records being synced via collection or model object
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gnufied >
(if that is what you meant by 'this' in that context)
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gnufied >
chris2: ^
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chris2 >
been years since i touched js
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lianj >
he only got the minified version
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chris2 >
hm, i can overwrite some sync methods but they dont seem to run
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it may be that, they are not using sync
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is \S always [^\s]?
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so I have little over a day to crank out some Rails app to download reports while yelling at Salesforce and Campaign monitor
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yorickpeterse: fun :D
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I always feel like such a cowboy seeing ^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[D etc in console while loading
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maloik_ >
fistpumping when it works
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yorickpeterse >
read that as "fisting when it works"
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maloik_ >
the selfdiscipline not making a yourmom joke.... it's over 9000
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(meanwhile, inception)
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dats wot yer mum said
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yorickpeterse >
swear on me mum
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yorickpeterse >
that makes me laugh more than it should
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ok back to work
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yorickpeterse: :D
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what the I dont even what is that
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yorickpeterse: are you still winning?
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always
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yorickpeterse: hehe, that reminds me of Charlie Sheen
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did you mean whining?
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if so, then yes: also always
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yorickpeterse: nop
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the guy is nuts
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but he is winning
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holy shit salesforce is a bucket of shit
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yorickpeterse >
I mean, I heard it was bad but dayum this is beyond retarded
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"How can we make it as painful as fucking possible to use this app in order to pull some data from our API?"
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apex API my ass
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yorickpeterse >
exhibit A: in order to see my oauth details I have to go to fucking "App setup -> Create -> Apps" then click on an
*EXISTING* app name
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yorickpeterse >
Opposed to the fucking panel that says "Manage apps"
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yorickpeterse >
the two pages are different
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Whoever designed this needs to never touch a computer again
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though the restforce Gem is kinda neat at least
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is Kernel#enum_for an alias for Kernel#to_enum ?
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looks like they call the same C code to implement, but are there any other gotchas there
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kith: the algorithm used to generate data
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cschneid: Maybe check the documentation before the C implementation :p One is an alias for the other
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yorickpeterse: so its more random?
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cored: they're the same
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I think you got the wrong 'c'
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oops, cschneid ↑
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cored >
drbrain: what?
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cored: bad tab completion on my part
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it doesn't actually say alias, hence my question :)
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Ah. ri shows the usage for both of them at once
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(Also notice the examples use both methods)
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cschneid: sometimes C methods have the same implementation but aren't exposed as aliases at the ruby level
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drbrain, Mon_Ouie: sure, when it sets up the method table in the C code, it just uses it twice. No worries - just was wondering :)
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i'm on my winders box atm - can someone tell me what happens if you call File.readlink on a regular (non symlink) file?
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does it raise an error or just return the file?
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imperator: -e:1:in `readlink': Invalid argument - README.rdoc (Errno::EINVAL)
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imperator: may be useful: -e:1:in `readlink': No such file or directory - nonexistent (Errno::ENOENT)
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ok, thanks
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silverhammer >
kith: "secure random" numbers are supposed to be "truly" random, rather than pseudorandom
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silverhammer: thx
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kith >
how does it do it?
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it OS-dependent
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yeah, sometimes user input, sometimes process information
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silverhammer >
on *nix, man 4 random
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sometimes it rolls a couple dice
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will i get some error msg if theres not enough entropy there?
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it looks like it will still work with low entropy
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it tries to use /dev/urandom which works even if the entropy pool is low
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so its really just less insecure than really secure right? :D
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kith: /dev/random will block if the pool is low
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whitequark >
in reality you don't need to use /dev/random if you need to ask :p
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just trying to learn
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kith >
if i wrote a poker bot for irc and it shuffles the cards whether that will suffice
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definitely
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that's probably overkill, in fact
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even slot machines use pseudorandom numbers
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@cards.sort_by!{ SecureRandom.random_bytes(4).unpack("I")[0] }
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done. uses openssl which uses urandom with in this case
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apparently theres no such bot right? at least i couldnt find one
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if you have multiple users sharing an rng in real time, it's virtually impossible for any one of them to determine what the seed is
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spike|spiegel >
there is no such thing called truly random
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spike|spiegel: hence the quotes :P
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kith >
whatever... it turned out its harder to do than i thought
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kith >
irc poker bot
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kith >
on a poker site i read that professional poker sites can detect collusion
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kith >
among players
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i wouldnt know how to do that :D
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imperator: i'll write one based on the inifinite improbability drive
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i use whatever debian gives me
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imperator: i thought somewhere i read that theres a webservice offered which provides random numbers based on a lava lamp in front of a camera
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i think that shut down a while ago
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there's a new one in its place :)
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damn focus stealers
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thieves, even
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cout: friggin cool thx
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whitequark: ping?
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